The Pencil Neck
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But that also might give them a better reason to pick him up. They've seen him as a winner. And he's undefeated against the Raiders, right?
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But that also might give them a better reason to pick him up. They've seen him as a winner. And he's undefeated against the Raiders, right?
GP
Go Texans!
In the end, I think he ends up in Miami.
Oakland's fan base is not on the same wavelength as the Carr family. Can you really see him fitting in with that fan base?
They are the worst fan base in the NFL. Classless doesn't even begin to describe them. And they enjoy being known for their nastiness. They WANT to be known for it.
You gotta' be a special kinda' cat to play for them. Plummer is a guy who fits into that scene, IMO.
No, David ends up in Miami. Dolphins FO will realize that Culpepper and Green are in decline. They will give us something "average" for David, and we'll take it.
The atmosphere in Miami is what's going to draw David to the Fins. Sunny. Warm. Laid back. Familiar name and face in Dom Capers.
It just feels like the best fit for David.
Oakland's fan base is not on the same wavelength as the Carr family. Can you really see him fitting in with that fan base?
They are the worst fan base in the NFL. Classless doesn't even begin to describe them. And they enjoy being known for their nastiness. They WANT to be known for it.
You gotta' be a special kinda' cat to play for them. Plummer is a guy who fits into that scene, IMO.
No, David ends up in Miami. Dolphins FO will realize that Culpepper and Green are in decline. They will give us something "average" for David, and we'll take it.
The atmosphere in Miami is what's going to draw David to the Fins. Sunny. Warm. Laid back. Familiar name and face in Dom Capers.
It just feels like the best fit for David.
Porky
Hall of Fame
You're going to be in for a major shock when he is released....
because no one wants him (with his current contract)
There will be a lot of wailing and nashing of teeth, but don't say you weren't warned.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
You're going to be in for a major shock when he is released....
because no one wants him (with his current contract)
There will be a lot of wailing and nashing of teeth, but don't say you weren't warned.
Actually, Carr is in the driver's seat. If the trade is to a team he isn't interested in, he won't restructure.
If he likes the team, he will be willing to restructure his deal.
If he is cut, there is no contract to renegotiate and he has no leverage.
He has leverage in a trade scenario.
Chew on that.
Don't expect anything in return for david, if we get a 5th or 6th round pick we should be extremely thankful. His contract kills almost any deal and team know that we are going to release him.
I hate people getting their hopes all up for a 2nd or 3rd pick. This is not happening.
I remember people here thinking we would get picks for Aaron glenn and Jamie Sharper. David carr will be next in line
I hate people getting their hopes all up for a 2nd or 3rd pick. This is not happening.
I remember people here thinking we would get picks for Aaron glenn and Jamie Sharper. David carr will be next in line
Porky
Hall of Fame
SO he has more leverage when he can only negioate with one team rather than as many that are interested? Okay, that's a new one. Chew on that.
HuttoKarl
Veteran
I fear that the Carr Lovers will morph into Schaub Haters and the VY Lovers will become Schaub Haters and the Texan Fans will become Schaub Lovers.
The battle wages on!!!
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
FWIW, ProFootballTalk.com is reporting that the Dolphins are close to a renegotiated deal with Trent Green.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
It's really simple. More than one team out there believes that David Carr's performance has been largely affected by the miserable and worthless excuse for an offensive line he's been given to protect him. Anyone who believes this will covet his services and believe that they can resurrect him. After all what have the Texans ever done to make anyone think they know anything about talent. Never understimate ego in this business. Some coach out there (likely "coaches") thinks he can succeed where others have failed. Likewise they no doubt think that if they see the possibilities in Carr then others must also see them.
If Carr becomes a free agent then they may not get him. He might elect to play somewhere else for reasons of his own. Trading for him means there's no question about whether or not he's yours.
For the record I think that this time next year we'll all know, without a doubt if it was Carr or the line that made things turn out the way they did. My money is that the line suddenly appears much improved once he's gone. We should not make any effort however to convince visiting fans of this. Just keep telling them that David is going to turn the corner next year.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
No it doesn't. I have a feeling that at some point the Texans moderators are going to morph into "Schaub-hater cleaners" and put a stop to this stupid, redundant nonsense for once and for all.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Its Carr choice were he goes, and I just happened to look at your Depth chart on ESPN and you guys dont really have a lot of OLineman do you. It looked like you guys dont even have a Center according to your roster on ESPN.
You may have brought up a very good point.
- If miami does trade for Carr, we might expect them to take Levi Brown with their pick in the first to help protect him.
Malloy
Hall of Fame
Perhaps they're pulling a Tampa, trying to corner the market on QB's? I hope so, let em take Carr too
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Thats almost not a fair statement either. Next years line could very well have Spencer, Winston, (plug in lineman through draft here) on it.
The line may be vastly improved next year compared to previous years.
Now put Shaub behind: Riley, Grahm, Mckinney, Brown, Young, now you have yourself a debate.
Malloy
Hall of Fame
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
SO he has more leverage when he can only negioate with one team rather than as many that are interested? Okay, that's a new one. Chew on that.
The point I am trying to make that you fail to grasp is...
If he is traded...
A. There are teams that are interested.
B. Carr can make or break the deal. He has the most leverage in this scenario and the best opportunity to maximize his deal by choosing (or not) to renegotiate his Texans contract..
If he is cut...
A. There are teams interested.
B. Carr has no leverage in this scenario.
It is really a pretty simple situation.
You said there will be nashing of teeth if he is cut.
Probably, but not from me. He is no longer the Texan's QB. I could care less if he is traded or cut.
However, the haters would like to think he will end up on the street with no job. I think that is very unlikely.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Please Dear Lord
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Duck and cover!!
ps: For the record /me lub Schaub
Schaub gets FIVE years right ?
TexanAggie
Noob
I think mr. Carr will probably be going to the vikings after we cut him, we cant get anyone to trade for him when they know we will cut him soon and he will come cheap on the street...
Trent green will go to Miami
I think the raiders will pick up that kid from LSU or Culpepper when he is cut from the Dolphins......
Carr I dont think will ever be a Great QB but might get it done. I will give him this he has TONS and I mean TONS of toughness all the sacks that he took, of course how many out of the 240 something where sacks he stood there and let them punch drunk him...........
Trent green will go to Miami
I think the raiders will pick up that kid from LSU or Culpepper when he is cut from the Dolphins......
Carr I dont think will ever be a Great QB but might get it done. I will give him this he has TONS and I mean TONS of toughness all the sacks that he took, of course how many out of the 240 something where sacks he stood there and let them punch drunk him...........
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Here we go Vinny..I'll just cut and paste from the other thread...
"Childress told the station the Vikings aren't interested in trading for Carr, and he explained why.
"I always struggled with where his release came from," Childress said. "It's kind of a drop-down, three-quarter, not overhand, over-the-top release.
"Just in the tape I've watched in the (five) years he's been in the league, he can make some of the throws, (but) he can't make all the throws. He gets some balls batted at the line of scrimmage just because of where that ball comes from.
"(It's) a little more difficult to throw in-the-seam throws because it doesn't come from over the top. He can't get a ball to get out of his hand, get up and get down.
"He's a smart guy; he's a decent athlete. But when you're buying a quarterback at this level and you kick the tires, there shouldn't be a lot of things that you're trying to straighten out. You pick a Carr, you pick a quarterback because you like all the things about him. ... You don't want to feel like there are any perceived flaws."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/4654994.html
I can see Green in Miami and I'm still not sure where that leave us.
TexanAggie
Noob
You sure that qoute didnt come from coach Kubiak ??????
thats pretty much what we saw last yr
well then his choices are Very limited.....
Texans34Life
I BLEED TEXANS!
Dolphins | Green wants to play for team, according to agent
Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:21:32 -0700
Alex Marvez, of the Sun-Sentinel, reports Kansas City Chiefs QB Trent Green wants to play for the Miami Dolphins, according to Green's agent, Jim Steiner. The only thing preventing Green from playing for the team, according to Steiner, is an impasse in trade talks with the Chiefs. "Trent would like to be there," Steiner said. "He has a relationship with (Dolphins head coach) Cam Cameron that goes back 10 years ago when both were with the Washington Redskins together. It's an offense he's familiar with and there would be an excellent working relationship. It's a team that has a great defense that with a few tweaks on offense would have a pretty good darn chance of succeeding this season."
Malloy
Hall of Fame
Hell no, I was done with Carr after 3, I expect Schaub gets a maximum of 2 years to 'show his worth'; that is, unless the team ends up in injury hell.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Thats not what I meant.
Put Schaub behind the same line that Carr had and then compare results.
Hopefully by the grace of all that is Holy our line may be vastly improved this year.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I'll bet no other QB gets 5 years again .
Malloy
Hall of Fame
In decades to come, this will be referred to the Houston Experiment. A casebook example on how you should NOT manage the QB position
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Childress is just saying the same thing that all of us 'Carr Haters' have been saying since Draft Day. Doesn't anyone remember all the questions about his release point leading up to the draft and then Casserley coming in and saying that everyone was stupid and we didn't know anything about football. This is Texas, Casserley. We live, breathe, eat, and crap football 24/7 365.
If you remember there were A LOT of fans that didnt want the Texans to take Carr or take Harrington because of the reasons that Childress notes.
but whatever, McNair got his 'face' of the franchise for 5 years and it got us nowhere...at least now we can start over and do it with a real GM at the helm.
If you remember there were A LOT of fans that didnt want the Texans to take Carr or take Harrington because of the reasons that Childress notes.
but whatever, McNair got his 'face' of the franchise for 5 years and it got us nowhere...at least now we can start over and do it with a real GM at the helm.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
This O-line thing is eerily similar to what happened iin Dallas last year. Drew started the season and was getting hammered, the Tuna put Romo in and the numbers dropped dramaticlly. Know I know Bledsoe=stuate, but alot of sports guys here, I live in the DFW...yes I know...pity me, were saying that not only was teh drop due to Romo's improved mobility but also that the line was playing harder for Romo. Why? The most common thought was that Romo was a better leader then Bledsoe.
Just though I'd share.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Moon was an Oiler 4 season before getting to the playoffs.
So this was a "One to grow on."
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
In decades to come, this will be referred to the Houston Experiment. A casebook example on how you should NOT manage the QB position
This whole thing was just different .
Starting a rookie on an expansion team .
Having a front office who screwed up royally ... is Carr more proof or a victim of it ?
Being so nice to Carr because he's so nice .... we don't want to step on anybody's toes .
I'm so happy to get on with the next chapter of this story .
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
something tells me that just having Schaub behind center will 'improve' the line quite a lot.
i bet the locker room is just buzzing right now. you know the players have been wanting this to go down for quite a while. RIP Sharper, Walker, Glenn, Moulds, and Robaire. They finally killed the beast. You are truly martyrs. Thanks Dunta.
LET THE SCHAUB ERA BEGIN!!
...how far back did you go to get those names and were they starters for a season or more?
Too, we put up a pretty good line last year-especially the 2nd half-and Carr had his worse half of a season since he's been here... RB's rushed for over 1000 yds and 10 tds and defense played much better-Carr had 500 less yds/2tds/and more ints than the first half of season.
JMO, but a lot of people are going to be amazed with the QB play next year...
Malloy
Hall of Fame
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Moon showed more in his 1st season in the NFL than Carr did in 5 years. Remember that there was only one wild card spot during those days and we were in a division with Cincinatti during their Esiason salad days, Kosar in Cleveland, and the Steelers. Please refrain from comparing Carr to HOFers ala Moon, Young, Favre, etc.
Its true though. While every NFL player is motivated by money, there are a lot of other motivations.
Why do teams that have already secured playoff births or are totally otu of contention play differently?
Why did the Titans offense suddenly start playing so hard?
I dont think its fair to say that a given player totally stops playing and gives up his livelyhood to prove a point, but I do think its fair to say that players give somewhere between 75-100% depending on:
1) The importance of the game
2) The winnability of the game
3) The leadership of the team
4) General motivation
5) etc.
I think that many of the OL were so frustrated with Carr that they probably gave up on themselves a little. As a result, they probably played less effectively with Carr as they may with someone new.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I think it sounds like crap to, but that's waht was being said around here. The line played better for Romo, is it because they thought he gave them a better shot at winning or becasue he was a better leader; I don't know. But the line did play better. Maybe it was improved QB play that hid the line's short commings, I don't know; but maybe, just maybe we'll see the same thing here.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I don't understand what you're saying here. In this situation, Carr has all the leverage. He can choose to take whichever offer he wants. He can take the best team or the best money or what he perceives as the best situation for him. If there are multiple teams interested, they have to bid TO HIM for his service which might be harder than if they have to bid to the Texans. Although, like you said earlier, if a trade involves the restructuring of his contract, he isn't without leverage in that situation. But if a team really wants him. they can get him whether he wants to go to them or not.
JMO, but I don't see him going to Miami because Capers has put the word out about Carr. Capers knows the problems Carr has (since high school) and he and Palmer gave up trying to fix David. To me, it's not 'damaged goods' that is the problem...Carr just does not have 'it.' And, he's not the only one, as there have been a lot of 1st day drafted qbs that fizzled in recent yrs, though Carr's 5 yrs as a starter is rare...
TEXANRED
Texan-American
I understand what you are saying but you really feel a line with Salaam, Pitts, DHodge, Weary/Mckinney, Winston, was an effective line?
I think last year we had a pretty soft second half of our schedule. Leech was a big part of our run success. Playing teams that had a hard time stopping the run was a factor. The sacks were still coming, DHodge looked over whelmed at times and Winston looked like a rookie.
Hopefully Spencer is back and Brown gets added to our line.
Just my opinion.
Texans34Life
I BLEED TEXANS!
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03/23 12:35 Dolphins: Looking at used Carr
The News
The Dolphins spent part of Thursday negotiating with the Texans about a trade for quarterback David Carr, according to the Miami Herald. An unnamed NFL personnel official told the Herald that Miami could outbid the Raiders and Vikings for Carr by switching places in the first round; currently, the Dolphins pick ninth while the Texans now hold the Falcons' pick at No. 10.
Our View
About the only way that move doesn't make sense for the Dolphins is if they intend on taking Penn State offensive tackle Levi Brown with the ninth pick; otherwise, the two teams don't seem to have any intersecting draft needs. Miami may try to get by with a lower offer, as the alternative for the Texans is to release Carr and get nothing for him.
03/23 12:35 Dolphins: Looking at used Carr
The News
The Dolphins spent part of Thursday negotiating with the Texans about a trade for quarterback David Carr, according to the Miami Herald. An unnamed NFL personnel official told the Herald that Miami could outbid the Raiders and Vikings for Carr by switching places in the first round; currently, the Dolphins pick ninth while the Texans now hold the Falcons' pick at No. 10.
Our View
About the only way that move doesn't make sense for the Dolphins is if they intend on taking Penn State offensive tackle Levi Brown with the ninth pick; otherwise, the two teams don't seem to have any intersecting draft needs. Miami may try to get by with a lower offer, as the alternative for the Texans is to release Carr and get nothing for him.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Why switch from 9 to 10? Of the palyers who will be availble at 8, only two less whill be available at 10; and with our needs we'd still get an impact player. Now if it's move up to 9 and pick up another draft pick, I'd understand.
OK, I respect your opinion but do not agree. First, we had 1 less sack the 2nd half. Second, as far as soft schedule, our opp had 3 more wins the first half but we faced the same " of playoff teams both halves. My point-regardless of schedule-is that the entire team improved the 2nd half except for David and his passing game. Sacks were under control, RB's were putting up #'s and td's.
I'm saying the line was adequate, qb play was not, and there are no excuses/reasons for that...
awtysst
Draft Guru
I imagine there would be a draft pick associated. I would prefer staying at 10 and getting a higher round pick than switching to 9 and getting a lower round pick.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
A lower offer? Like what?--hearty thanks. That's a fifty point move--supposedly equivalent to a late 4th round pick. I think I'd rather have the 4th.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
Why don't you look at it this way...
Q. When is the best time to look for a new job?
A. When you are currently employed. If you are desperate for a job what leverage do you have in salary negotiations?
Carr's current contract is a deal breaker. No one will want to pay that kind of money.
Let's say Miami wants him and is willing to give us something in return, However, they stipulate his contract must be renegotiated (which is a pretty safe bet in any trade deal with him).
Carr has a choice here...
1. Sign a new deal and accept the trade.
or
2. Refuse to sign and kill the deal.
He does not have to renegotiate at all.
If he gets cut...
1. He will be unemployed.
2. He will no longer be under contract.
3. He will be needing a job.
Teams will know this. Do you think they will make their best offer knowing he has a house payment to pay and no income?
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Althought didn't somebody get an extra thrid for trading down one spot in the draft a couple of yers ago? Wanna say it was Cleveland.
