Odd that Carr hasn't been moved?

[TeamSport]

do these guys honestly think Carr is better?

.

YES!

 

[Heath Shuler]

You'd think that with all the "great" reporting by McClain, Justice and Cold Pizza last week that Carr would have been moved by now. Isn't this funny? So much for the insight that these guys have. Can anyone tell me what these guys have reported on that has come true?

My bet is that the Texans were trying to coax Carr into restructuring his contract (ala AJ) and he wouldn't budge. Hence a rumor was started that he will be traded and/or Plummer will come in and that Quinn is our highest priority in the draft, just to shake Carr's stance a little and that the intention all along was for him to be the Quarterback at a reduced price.

Makes me wonder.

Is it your position that the Texans are not actively shopping Carr? I think it is clear that the FO is not satisfied with Carr’s performance last season and they are exploring every possible option. Are you implying that just because he has not been traded/cut as of today, that it is not going to happen and it is all just to get Carr to renegotiate?

 

[thunderkyss]

Well, if Kolb is drafted by, say, the Raiders, I guess you'll be a Raiders fan.

Houston didn't have a team, Ricky Williams went to New Orleans... I became a N.O. Saints fan. I've got a RW, Joe Horn, and an Aaron Brooks Jersey(I know, I know)... When Ricky looked like a bust his first season, I toted the company line... "It's common for RBs to get hurt in their first year"... Year two, I said the same thing.

I was upset, when they drafted Duece his third year.

I still followed the Saints, & considered my self a Saints fan(I've got a pretty cool white Starter with the flour-de-lis on the back) for the next couple of years, because I fell in love with their players.

Joe Horn, Stallworth, MarkFields, JoeJohnson, DarrenHoward, Aaron Brooks, BooWilliams... etc... etc..

But Since Houston got it's team, I haven't got to know many of the Saints new players... all my heroes are gone..

But if anyone accused me of being a Ricky Williams fan, I'd have to agree.

 

[NFLforher]

Houston didn't have a team, Ricky Williams went to New Orleans... I became a N.O. Saints fan. I've got a RW, Joe Horn, and an Aaron Brooks Jersey(I know, I know)... When Ricky looked like a bust his first season, I toted the company line... "It's common for RBs to get hurt in their first year"... Year two, I said the same thing.

I was upset, when they drafted Duece his third year.

I still followed the Saints, & considered my self a Saints fan(I've got a pretty cool white Starter with the flour-de-lis on the back) for the next couple of years, because I fell in love with their players.

Joe Horn, Stallworth, MarkFields, JoeJohnson, DarrenHoward, Aaron Brooks, BooWilliams... etc... etc..

But Since Houston got it's team, I haven't got to know many of the Saints new players... all my heroes are gone..

But if anyone accused me of being a Ricky Williams fan, I'd have to agree.

I think we could talk about Ricky all day.

 

[My Hero]

I had no doubt you lived in Cali.

I am surprised to hear of your ties to Texas.

Tell me one good thing about David's game. What makes him a starter in this league??

He isn't accurate. Most of his passes were behind his recievers. Yes, most.

He doesn't understand ball placement. He doesn't know how to lead a reciever, or throw away from coverage.

He can't escape a sack... I've never seen him do it. If protection goes south, so does David. Sure, if there's a big gap in front of him, he can take off, and pick up some yards... some first downs. But he isn't amoung the most elusive QBs in the league.

He can't read defenses... or at least I have never had the impression that he was attacking any particular weakness of any particular defense.

He doesn't understand mis-matches. if a LB is covering Moulds, I think I'd make that my first read. If Owen has Greg Ellis in man coverage against the sideline, I wouldn't motion him to the RT if I know we are running the play off right tackle. If We've got a reverse called, and I see a free Blitzer on the play side, I'd hand the ball off to RB going away from the reverse(if that was an option).

His footwork/timing was suspect as late as wek 10.

Last question. Will you be here next year, if David isn't??

You like to quote that play in the Oakland game alot.

He's probably one of the top 5 toughest QB's in the NFL.

I find validity in some of your posts.

Unfortunatly for you we have to wait until draft day to find out if they are willing to make the change, if they trade him then its cut and dry. If they keep him you may have to wriggle all the way through FTO's and beyond.

 

[Wolf]

Is it your position that the Texans are not actively shopping Carr? I think it is clear that the FO is not satisfied with Carr’s performance last season and they are exploring every possible option. Are you implying that just because he has not been traded/cut as of today, that it is not going to happen and it is all just to get Carr to renegotiate?

rumor was he was going to miami for a 3rd last season too.

rubber meets the road stuff..if we find a good deal..Carr is gone, if not ..Carr stays

 

[thunderkyss]

Really? I'll still be here. We know that Hulk is David's brother, I wouldn't expect him to be here. However, you labeled all the folks in CA, Carr fans, and we'll be gone when David is.

I think it will be more clear to you as time goes on.

I don't think so. I said SecondHoneymoon called My Hero a California Carr fan because he is a Carr Fan from California.

I do suspect the same thing about you, but I've never said as much, until now.

I've got no beef with Hollywood_Texan.

I've got no beeg with Torontooilfan... or our Texan fan from Chicago.

Only the CaliCarr Mafia.

 

[Heath Shuler]

You like to quote that play in the Oakland game alot.

He's probably one of the top 5 toughest QB's in the NFL.

I find validity in some of your posts.

Unfortunatly for you we have to wait until draft day to find out if they are willing to make the change, if they trade him then its cut and dry. If they keep him you may have to wriggle all the way through FTO's and beyond.

Hero, is David Carr your hero? If so what has Carr done to reach hero status in your eyes?

 

[thunderkyss]

so that is 3 out of the 7,622 members on here?

hmmm

Wolf & ib4texans will most likely be gone as well.

 

[Wolf]

too funny , I guess y'all ran out of excuses for not finding a logical suitable replacement for Carr if he happens to stay so now y'all change the attack to if we will be a Texan fan or not if Carr stays.


boy when y'all jump on the argument bandwagon y'all sure stick together.

and maybe TK you need to re-read some of my posts about Carr and if he stays or goes on this thread

 

[thunderkyss]

You like to quote that play in the Oakland game alot.

He's probably one of the top 5 toughest QB's in the NFL.

I find validity in some of your posts.

Unfortunatly for you we have to wait until draft day to find out if they are willing to make the change, if they trade him then its cut and dry. If they keep him you may have to wriggle all the way through FTO's and beyond.

IF they start him, then I have to do some wiggling. I've got no problem overpaying the back up QB while the rest of the team moves on.

If Sage gets hurt, David can come in & earn the starting job. If he stinks up that game, he should be cut before the sun sets on Houston.

 

[Heath Shuler]

rumor was he was going to miami for a 3rd last season too.

rubber meets the road stuff..if we find a good deal..Carr is gone, if not ..Carr stays

I think it is time for Carr to go and the writing is on the wall, but I will believe it when I see him gone. His market value is very soft, so I hope the FO will work their magic and we will be on the correct side of one of those horrible deals (see Pburnt deal).

 

[Wolf]

IF they start him, then I have to do some wiggling. I've got no problem overpaying the back up QB while the rest of the team moves on.

If Sage gets hurt, David can come in & earn the starting job. If he stinks up that game, he should be cut before the sun sets on Houston.

if david is backup, I honestly don't want him here. that is too much money to pay for a backup.. if Sage beats him out... then Carr has to be gone.

 

[My Hero]

Hero, is David Carr your hero? If so what has Carr done to reach hero status in your eyes?

Extreme times call for extreme measures!

My Hero,Carr Homer in my signature. I'm wearing it out there so that the man can get a little respect.

What has he ever done against this franchise (except not living up to expections of some of the posters) to rationilize the pure hatred and disgust some have displayed?

Does he disgrace the franchise? Has he flipped off fans that probably deserve it (Mike Vick)
Does he throw temper tantrums and talk out of place in press conferences?

He's not a great NFL QB,he does play with class and is one tough SOB. He got hit late in that Jaguars game,he didn't cry he didn't throw a hissy. He just came back and played the next week vs the Bills. I know he should of had better coverage in the secondary and we wouldn't have lost it with 9 sec left.

I hope that I answered your question.

 

[Wolf]

I think it is time for Carr to go and the writing is on the wall, but I will believe it when I see him gone. His market value is very soft, so I hope the FO will work their magic and we will be on the correct side of one of those horrible deals (see Pburnt deal).

you aren't kidding... I am tired of the Texans getting the wrong end of the stick

 

[Wolf]

Extreme times call for extreme measures!

My Hero,Carr Homer in my signature. I'm wearing it out there so that the man can get a little respect.

What has he ever done against this franchise (except not living up to expections of some of the posters) to rationilize the pure hatred and disgust some have displayed?

Does he disgrace the franchise? Has he flipped off fans that probably deserve it (Mike Vick)
Does he throw temper tantrums and talk out of place in press conferences?

He's not a great NFL QB,he does play with class and is one tough SOB. He got hit late in that Jaguars game,he didn't cry he didn't throw a hissy. He just came back and played the next week vs the Bills. I know he should of had better coverage in the secondary and we wouldn't have lost it with 9 sec left.

I hope that I answered your question.

I personally think that the Texans ruined him.. he is not the same Qb that we saw from college and even from the first few games in Texan franchise history

 

[thunderkyss]

Really? Because I'm not here as a first timer with a NFL team. Our line has sucked beyond belief since day 1 and he's standing behind it. They fail, he goes down, unless he's Vick or someone else who can escape doom looming his way.

Does this make any sense to anyone? Can you draw a parallel?

Some of what you say makes sense. Some, not so much.

Our line... it's really hard to tell how bad they are. Especially on three step drops, and you see our QB pull the ball back. It would be nice if he threw it to a spot, or threw it away, but he'd pull it down, and take a sack. You've never seen me get on any QB for throwing INTs.

2005... I know you seen the Fresno tuck.. can't blame that on our OL.

 

[ib4texans]

Wolf & ib4texans will most likely be gone as well.

Where the hell did that come from? I've found myself agreeing with your posts before. I asked if I thought Carr was Ok if I had to move to California.

So is there some kind of TK Texans allegiance test that I have to take?

 

[Mr. White]

I think it's no mystery. The Texans are making another mistake trying to get more for Carr than the market will bear, and will thus end up losing a fourth round pick that they might have had.

It's like the Plummer deal--penny wise and pound foolish.

I think there's nobody who really wants Carr, and that's the name of that tune.

It's pretty obvious that the "restructure or get cut" ultimatum hasn't been made yet. I expect that it will be made after the draft if the Texans can't get a deal done. David won't restructure and the Texans will cut him.

The writing's on the wall now. We're looking to solidify the position and there's no going back now.

Sure seems like Carr has a whole lot of new fans around here the past couple of weeks. Something tells me that we aleady know them.

 

[Pantherstang84]

Really? Because I'm not here as a first timer with a NFL team.

I would love to have quoted your whole post because you made some very valid points.

I have seen many sports teams, professional and amateur, that had all the talent in the world but no team.

I have also seen teams with almost no talent win a lot of games because they were a team.

I don't know the mindset in the Texans locker room. I believe Kubiak is trying to get a team environment started.

However, your really in bad shape when you have almost no talent and no team. It all starts with that four leter word that starts with a T.

 

[thunderkyss]

I personally think that the Texans ruined him.. he is not the same Qb that we saw from college and even from the first few games in Texan franchise history

That, I can agree with.

 

[thunderkyss]

So is there some kind of TK Texans allegiance test that I have to take?

I'll PM it to you in a minute......

 

[Mr. White]

Really? Because I'm not here as a first timer with a NFL team. Our line has sucked beyond belief since day 1 and he's standing behind it.

Does this make any sense to anyone? Can you draw a parallel?

Aaron Brooks played behind a pretty good O-Line in NO. He just wasn't all that good of a QB there.

I don't think that the O-Line in Houston is as bad as we keep hearing that they are. I wouldn't go so far as to call them a good unit, but Carr has a lot of tendencies that make him an easy target for pass rushers. (Ducking his head when the rush comes, locking on to one receiver, holding on to the ball too long, etc.)

 

[Heath Shuler]

Extreme times call for extreme measures!

My Hero,Carr Homer in my signature. I'm wearing it out there so that the man can get a little respect.

What has he ever done against this franchise (except not living up to expections of some of the posters) to rationilize the pure hatred and disgust some have displayed?

Does he disgrace the franchise? Has he flipped off fans that probably deserve it (Mike Vick)
Does he throw temper tantrums and talk out of place in press conferences?

He's not a great NFL QB,he does play with class and is one tough SOB. He got hit late in that Jaguars game,he didn't cry he didn't throw a hissy. He just came back and played the next week vs the Bills. I know he should of had better coverage in the secondary and we wouldn't have lost it with 9 sec left.

I hope that I answered your question.

No, not really but thanks.
I guess your definition of hero and mine are extremely different.

 

[ib4texans]

Aaron Brooks played behind a pretty good O-Line in NO. He just wasn't all that good of a QB there.

I don't think that the O-Line in Houston is as bad as we keep hearing that they are. I wouldn't go so far as to call them a good unit, but Carr has a lot of tendencies that make him an easy target for pass rushers. (Ducking his head when the rush comes, locking on to one receiver, holding on to the ball too long, etc.)

I think that this past season we had two O-lines we would have a good pass defense and no run blocking and then we would have a great run blocking line and no pass protection. If we could somehow mutate them into one O-line,well then there will be good things coming.

 

[ib4texans]

Quote:
Originally Posted by My Hero

Extreme times call for extreme measures!

My Hero,Carr Homer in my signature. I'm wearing it out there so that the man can get a little respect.

What has he ever done against this franchise (except not living up to expections of some of the posters) to rationilize the pure hatred and disgust some have displayed?

Does he disgrace the franchise? Has he flipped off fans that probably deserve it (Mike Vick)
Does he throw temper tantrums and talk out of place in press conferences?

He's not a great NFL QB,he does play with class and is one tough SOB. He got hit late in that Jaguars game,he didn't cry he didn't throw a hissy. He just came back and played the next week vs the Bills. I know he should of had better coverage in the secondary and we wouldn't have lost it with 9 sec left.

I hope that I answered your question.

No, not really but thanks.
I guess your definition of hero and mine are extremely different.

Ummmm... I'm not trying to answer for Hero,but I think that he's saying that he is exagerating to the extreme in an attempt to balance the Carr Un-Homers

 

[Frills]

The writers at the Chron are a bunch of VY nuthuggers.

They're pissed at the Texans, and have lost all credibility as far as I'm concerned.

They should sometimes be reminded that they're supposed to report the news not make it.

 

[HoustonFrog]

He's only had the job for 1 season under Kubiak and his system

They want to make sure he can pick up Kubiaks system, Plummer didn't have a spectacular year his first year in Kubiaks system.
They could cut him...then we get Sage Rosenfels as a starter. He couldn't beat anyone out. Ramsey was not brought in to be the starter, they are looking for backup talent for a reason.

Sorry, work got in the way of continuing this today but here is Plummer his first year..in 11 games...sorry if I haven't caught up with this being posted.

62.6 completion percentage, 15 TDs, 7 ints, QB rating of 91.2. That is all world on the Texans and that is 11 games.

 

[texan_fan_8]

I think that we can speculate all we want, but until it actually happens, DC is our starter and we need to get over it.

Carr may end up being here. But i dont think he will be the starter. I can't see Kubiak putting his tail on the line all for one below average QB. I would hate to see Kubes in the 2 failed season, coming up on a third Romeo What's his name from Clevland type season. He's not going to fall on a dagger for David Carr.

Year one Okay Bob, we'll do it your way.
Year two okay Bob we Did it your way and it didn't work.

 

[freedoggy77]

Sorry, work got in the way of continuing this today but here is Plummer his first year..in 11 games...sorry if I haven't caught up with this being posted.

62.6 completion percentage, 15 TDs, 7 ints, QB rating of 91.2. That is all world on the Texans and that is 11 games.

that's not too bad but Plummer thre 161 TDs and 161 INTs in his career...his retirement papers are likely to be intercepted on the way to the office (thanks to the person who has this in his sig)

 

[trublu]

Sorry, work got in the way of continuing this today but here is Plummer his first year..in 11 games...sorry if I haven't caught up with this being posted.

62.6 completion percentage, 15 TDs, 7 ints, QB rating of 91.2. That is all world on the Texans and that is 11 games.

Plummer was playing with the Broncos not with the Cardinals while under Kubiak. If Kubiak would have been his OC at Arizona those stats would have been a little bit different.

I'm amazed when people attempt to compare Plummer's stats with the Broncos against Carr's stats with the Texans. Apples and oranges.

 

[HoustonFrog]

Plummer was playing with the Broncos not with the Cardinals while under Kubiak. If Kubiak would have been his OC at Arizona those stats would have been a little bit different.

I'm amazed when people attempt to compare Plummer's stats with the Broncos against Carr's stats with the Texans. Apples and oranges.

Wow, are you a seer?If you look at the post I put the stats in, it was in RESPONSE to someone saying his stats were not that good. Please follow before jumping. I in no way insinuated that he was the man. People crack me up about Plummer. Freedoggy and you are ripping into the guy but the fact still remains is that he took a Cards team that was horrible to the playoffs and won a game...something we haven't done here. So overall, I really wouldn't be jocking anything we have seen over him..lol

 

[Second Honeymoon]

Wow, are you a seer?If you look at the post I put the stats in, it was in RESPONSE to someone saying his stats were not that good. Please follow before jumping. I in no way insinuated that he was the man. People crack me up about Plummer. Freedoggy and you are ripping into the guy but the fact still remains is that he took a Cards team that was horrible to the playoffs and won a game...something we haven't done here. So overall, I really wouldn't be jocking anything we have seen over him..lol

but houstonfrog, Arizona is a great team with tradition and lots of playoff experience. a blind man could lead the Cardinals to a playoff victory. Carr would already have multiple Super Bowl rings if he played for a team as good as Plummer had in Arizona.

after all, we all know casserley is the greatest GM in history, and he picked David Carr #1. That is enough for me...In Casserley We Trust..oh and he is cute, says his prayers before he goes to bed, and doesnt drink beer. he is just dreamy.

signed,

carr homer

 

[trublu]

Wow, are you a seer?If you look at the post I put the stats in, it was in RESPONSE to someone saying his stats were not that good. Please follow before jumping. I in no way insinuated that he was the man.

Sorry. I had seen some one else post about how good Plummer was in his first year with Denver compared to him in Arizona. When I saw your post I thought you were adding to that... My apologies.

People crack me up about Plummer. Freedoggy and you are ripping into the guy but the fact still remains is that he took a Cards team that was horrible to the playoffs and won a game...something we haven't done here. So overall, I really wouldn't be jocking anything we have seen over him..lol

I wasn't ripping into Plummer. I was writing about the posts that some people make. Before FA started alot of people were pumping Plummer up and using his stats with Denver to compare against Carr's stats with Houston. It's not really a fair comparison IMO. I just thought you were getting at the same thing on you last post...you weren't and again my apologies.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

Sorry. I had seen some one else post about how good Plummer was in his first year with Denver compared to him in Arizona. When I saw your post I thought you were adding to that... My apologies.



I wasn't ripping into Plummer. I was writing about the posts that some people make. Before FA started alot of people were pumping Plummer up and using his stats with Denver to compare against Carr's stats with Houston. It's not really a fair comparison IMO. I just thought you were getting at the same thing on you last post...you weren't and again my apologies.

translation: Plummer won a playoff game in Arizona? Wow, I didn't realize that. Why didn't we try harder to complete the deal for him.

 

[trublu]

translation: Plummer won a playoff game in Arizona? Wow, I didn't realize that. Why didn't we try harder to complete the deal for him.

Wow, I think you need to buy "English for dummies" cause you are way off from what I said.

And while Arizona did go to the playoff in '98. They were only 9-7. Plummer threw 17 TDs and 20 INTs; I know that is your standard of greatness, but not mine.

 

[Malloy]

You weren't here last year. I doubt you'll be here next year.

You are from California... you are a Carr fan...

What's that saying about shoes that fit??

hm.. Thunder, I'm Danish, live in Denmark. I'm a Houston Texans fan... Guess I should have been a fan of... uhm.. the Copenhagen Wooden-Shoes?

 

[HoustonFrog]

Sorry. I had seen some one else post about how good Plummer was in his first year with Denver compared to him in Arizona. When I saw your post I thought you were adding to that... My apologies.



I wasn't ripping into Plummer. I was writing about the posts that some people make. Before FA started alot of people were pumping Plummer up and using his stats with Denver to compare against Carr's stats with Houston. It's not really a fair comparison IMO. I just thought you were getting at the same thing on you last post...you weren't and again my apologies.

No problem. I don't mind the debate. I don't think he is a world beater but I have a hard time complaining about a guy who did win in a bad situation and on a good team. We haven't seen that around here.

 

[NFLforher]

hm.. Thunder, I'm Danish, live in Denmark. I'm a Houston Texans fan... Guess I should have been a fan of... uhm.. the Copenhagen Wooden-Shoes?

Lol...well didn't ya know you can't be a fan of the Texans unless you live there?

 

[NFLforher]

Apart from insinuating that I am stupid and an *****, what really gets to me is that you refer to me as a Carr supporter

Thunder is ok. It's just the Cali/fan thing that bothers me. He has some really good takes and cares about the team.

 

[Texan_Bill]

hm.. Thunder, I'm Danish, live in Denmark. I'm a Houston Texans fan... Guess I should have been a fan of... uhm.. the Copenhagen Wooden-Shoes?

Will you PLEASE bring some Carlsberg when you visit Houston.....?!?

 

[thunderkyss]

Apart from insinuating that I am stupid and an *****, what really gets to me is that you refer to me as a Carr supporter

no, I didn't refer to you as a Carr supporter. I referred to you as a fan(not from California)

 

[Mr. White]

Thunder is ok. It's just the Cali/fan thing that bothers me. He has some really good takes and cares about the team.

You gotta admit that he has a point here. There'll be a mass exodus from this board as a soon as a trade gets announced.

I'll miss you guys, though.

 

[petedy]

I don't think so. I said SecondHoneymoon called My Hero a California Carr fan because he is a Carr Fan from California.

I do suspect the same thing about you, but I've never said as much, until now.

I've got no beef with Hollywood_Texan.

I've got no beeg with Torontooilfan... or our Texan fan from Chicago.

Only the CaliCarr Mafia.

Then it's time for an offer you cann't refuse.

 

[My Hero]

You gotta admit that he has a point here. There'll be a mass exodus from this board as a soon as a trade gets announced.

I'll miss you guys, though.

I think Ahman Green is a great FA signing, for the TEXANS.
He came from GB not California.

 

[Texan_Bill]

You gotta admit that he has a point here. There'll be a mass exodus from this board as a soon as a trade gets announced.

I'll miss you guys, though.

I hope there is a mass exodus... Unfortunately the ones that I want to exit, probably won't.....

 

[Texan_Bill]

I think Ahman Green is a great FA signing, for the TEXANS.
He came from GB not California.

He came from Nebraska, but played in Green Bay.

 

[My Hero]

He came from Nebraska, but played in Green Bay.

Thank You, I did not know his state of origin. I appreciate the info.

 

[bigTEXan8]

carr needs to be traded. i don't even know if he had an option (since i don't know any details of contract he signed) but i wouldn't have stuck around houston, and would have tried to stop the FO from using that option they had on me. i would have gone to another team because anything would have been better than sticking with an organization that sat on it's hands in helping the development...JMO.

 

[My Hero]

Carr hasn't been moved because he's not going anywhere. It's easy to let the fans speculate and for some get their hopes up that he will be traded.

It's like a nagging wife, you give her something to humor herself so she quits bi*%@ing at you.