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Wolf
100% Texan
seriously, for probably the good of David Carr, I hope a deal comes out that helps the Texans and helps David Carr in his career..just seems to be oil/water mixture at this point....sadly in 2004 lots of people where excited about the direction of Carr and the Texans were going..then we release some of our key defensive players and had no really equal replacements and we went downhill
I hope the Texans don't make the same mistake, if a suitable replacement isn't found for Carr, I hope we stick with him and if a suitable replacement is found, lets get Carr out of here
and for some of you that are Sage fans...who has Sage beat out to become a starter in the NFL?
not sure how accurate the depth chart is but Dolphins while Sage was there
2002 Fiedler,Lucas, Sage
2003 Fiedler,Griese,Sage
2004 Feeley,Fiedler,Sage (last of the season jason Garrett came in and took over as #1 and Feeley dropped to #2
2005 Feeley, Ferote,Sage...(end of season Cleo lemon #2)
http://www.phins.com/old_rosters.html
I personally don't feel good about Sage being a full time starter.
I hope the Texans don't make the same mistake, if a suitable replacement isn't found for Carr, I hope we stick with him and if a suitable replacement is found, lets get Carr out of here
and for some of you that are Sage fans...who has Sage beat out to become a starter in the NFL?
not sure how accurate the depth chart is but Dolphins while Sage was there
2002 Fiedler,Lucas, Sage
2003 Fiedler,Griese,Sage
2004 Feeley,Fiedler,Sage (last of the season jason Garrett came in and took over as #1 and Feeley dropped to #2
2005 Feeley, Ferote,Sage...(end of season Cleo lemon #2)
http://www.phins.com/old_rosters.html
I personally don't feel good about Sage being a full time starter.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
your smart enough to know what I mean. anyone that is a fan of the Texans because of David Carr really isn't a real Texans fan in my opinion. They are just following a guy they liked in college or their homestate...obviously it couldnt be based on his performance in the NFL. if someone is a fan of David Carr BECAUSE he is a Houston Texan, then that person is a fan of the Texans and because of this they look at the big picture and not just how it all relates to David.
I'm just calling a spade, a spade. if you are from California, i am betting dollars to donuts you are here because of Carr not because of the Texans. Thus you dont have as much credibility in regards to your ability to be objective and realistic in regards to DC.
bottom line, is that if anyone actually thinks David will be back here as the starter in 2007, let them put their login where their mouth is. he goes, you go. he stays, i go. I would love nothing more than to purge the forums of the Carr apologists, once and for all.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
I can easily understand why someone would fell that way and I respect that. Personally, I feel he has earned a look and I imagine the locker room feels likewise.
Two comments on this..
One. I have always thought Carr would not be traded till draft day in a trade for picks or to move up.
Two. About Sage, and who he has beat out. Who has he beat out? Looks like he is beating out the starter David Carr right now in the FO ramblings. Maybe he is, maybe he isnt. The point is that we will find out soon.
One. I have always thought Carr would not be traded till draft day in a trade for picks or to move up.
Two. About Sage, and who he has beat out. Who has he beat out? Looks like he is beating out the starter David Carr right now in the FO ramblings. Maybe he is, maybe he isnt. The point is that we will find out soon.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
It seems the Texans are starting over with a few exceptions .
This is the main reason I think Carr is gone . He was the face of some bad teams and the new FO and Kubiak have to change the mindset .
I did'nt see a team who went to war for Carr ... in fact it was the opposite . That's why you had Dunta's and Moulds remarks .
Whether Carr could have been or might be great is not the problem . The problem is he makes to much money for what he does ( save all the excuses ).
I bet if you have a player who does'nt produce after 3 yrs and you cut him ... 90% of the time you will not regret it .
This is the main reason I think Carr is gone . He was the face of some bad teams and the new FO and Kubiak have to change the mindset .
I did'nt see a team who went to war for Carr ... in fact it was the opposite . That's why you had Dunta's and Moulds remarks .
Whether Carr could have been or might be great is not the problem . The problem is he makes to much money for what he does ( save all the excuses ).
I bet if you have a player who does'nt produce after 3 yrs and you cut him ... 90% of the time you will not regret it .
Wolf
100% Texan
I agree with that
S
SESupergenius
Guest
Maybe they are bringing in other QB's to compete for the Backup job or backups backup job. Why would they bring in other QB's if they think so highly of Sage as the starter and Carr is not here??? Would'nt they bring in lesser caliber QB's? Why would they bring in Garcia and pay him more than Sage if they were so high on Sage as a starting QB.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I thought we're like supposed to fight or something .
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I think they believe the QB of the future is not here yet .
So ... why not let Sage babysit the job for now .
S
SESupergenius
Guest
Why not bring in someone better than Carr first then either let David have
a) a chance to compete for the job
b) restructure his contract and let him be a backup
c) cut him loose and let Sage be the backup.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
He's had the job ... why should he compete now ?
They do not want to extend his contract they're trying to trade him . I would take that as they want him gone sooner as opposed to later
If they don't trade him they'll cut him . They're clearing cap space like crazy already .
S
SESupergenius
Guest
He's only had the job for 1 season under Kubiak and his system
They want to make sure he can pick up Kubiaks system, Plummer didn't have a spectacular year his first year in Kubiaks system.
They could cut him...then we get Sage Rosenfels as a starter. He couldn't beat anyone out. Ramsey was not brought in to be the starter, they are looking for backup talent for a reason.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I'll say this ... I don't care if they were drawing plays in the sand ... a dog will hunt or it won't . Did you see Leinart vs the Bears he made plays ... that dog will hunt .
As far as Sage ... we've been 2-14 with Carr starting every game ... do you really think we can go 1-15 ?
S
SESupergenius
Guest
Last year we weren't 2-14 or 1-15, so that is moot. Yes I saw Leinart do that, I also saw him throw 2 picks the next week in Oakland for a loss. His dog must hunt just some times.
the whole "Dog" analogy sounded good however, but fizzled with facts. I'm sure other QB's throughout NFL history had their "dog" not hunt for while before it had an owner that taught them and let them hunt. (slap on the back)
hollywood_texan
All Pro
I live in California, actually I live in Dirty Hollywood. I am not a Carr fan if you follow my posts. There goes your dollars to donuts.
As a matter of fact, I am a season ticketholder. I was born and raised in Austin, Texas, and I look at my California life as self-exile in Hollywood, Ca.
Also, I would like to dispell any notion of Raider fans wanting Carr, at least from my perspective. I went to the Raider game last year at Oakland and hung out with a lot of Raider fans. I asked a lot of them about Carr and playing for the Raiders, they really could care less. As most of you probably know, there are a lot of Raider fans in LA. Again, they could care less about Carr playing for Oakland from my discussions.
Which gets me to the whole California thing and David Carr. He really doesn't have any fans out here that I can see. I live in LA and see a lot of people, and I haven't seen one Carr jersey running around in SoCal.
Sure there are few people from California on these boards supporting Carr, but it really isn't that many people to really account for anything if and when he moves back.
Charter PSL Fan
Noob
at least one player has come out and cracked him publicly.
That player looks and sounds like he is on crack.
That player looks and sounds like he is on crack.
S
SESupergenius
Guest
Carr would need to make the playoffs for him to stay which would be 10-6.
dirty steve
Veteran
what about robinson says that he is on crack?
-his dreadlocked hair?
-he made his opinion on DC public?
i don't get it.
My Hero
Waterboy
So I can't like the Texans because their team colers are Red White and Blue.
I can't like the Texans because Texas is a great state and Houston is a very nice city.
I can't like the Texans because until recently the team always upheld a positive attitude and other players were drawn to them in FA.
I can't like the Texans because they started the franchise with a strong defense including Sharper,Glenn,Coleman,Wong,DeLoach and others.
I can't even like the Texans because I don't like any California teams.
I guess I can only like the Texans because David Carr comes from California, and as a prerequisite you are required to only like players from your own state. That must explain why so many posters only want to draft UT players.
Cry, moan, whatever David Carr is the starting QB and Chad Stanley is the startin punter.
Elle I'm fine with your post,I just used it as a launching point.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Nope you're wrong ... it's no mistake that the same players that are considered good to great make plays .
This is in a beer league softball game a YMCA basketball game or the NFL it does'nt matter if you're the man or woman it happens time after time .
Great players have another trait it's border line OCD . The fear of losing or not being the best is what drives them .
So yes ... if you know what you're looking at a dog will hunt or it won't .
hollywood_texan
All Pro
10-6 is not a guarantee in the AFC for a playoff spot.
NFC is a safe bet at 10-6 to get in the playoffs, and maybe even 8-8 will get you in.
No. California Carr Homer did not come up in the Challenge. That was totally seperate. The challenge was without a doubt aimed at any and all Carr Homers, but he doesn't infer that all Carr Homers are California Carr Homers.
True, all Carr Homers are incorporated into the challenge. Again, this does not mean, or even infer, that all Carrr Homers are California Carr Homers... just the ones from California.
El Paso is not in California... AFAIK
Again... this may very well be true.
BUt
This is the "blanket statement" that started the California Carr Homer name calling. He doesn't call him a California Carr Homer here, but it leads directly to SecondHoneymoon explicitly referring to MyHero as a California Carr Homer.
My Hero
Waterboy
Exactly it is in thier hands,and the current regime still has him as starter,when that changes I will respect that decision. Just as I respect the position that they hold currently.
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
I will talk to ya...
I like the Texans first and foremost, and then the Saints and then the Cowboys.
Plus I support whatever the Houston Texans' FO feel is right for this team until I totally disagree with them to the point that I cancell my season tickets. Now let's have a tailgate party...
My Hero
Waterboy
Naw,that's not it. I just choose to challenge those that spew constant and and meaningless negativity. If you want to know the truth I've recieved plenty of positive rep from earlier posts in this thread.
I would'nt take from anything in your previouse posts that you necessarily like Carr,but you are aware of the fact that it is the FO and Coaches job to make these decisions.
Although you did catch me,(I do like girls).
eeeeeeyyyeaah...
Jakes first year out of Arizona... his first year with Denver, was he better, or worse than when he was in Arizona??
Wolf
100% Texan
hard to tell, given our defense still couldn't rush the passer (compared to denvers defense back then)eeeeeeyyyeaah...
Jakes first year out of Arizona... his first year with Denver, was he better, or worse than when he was in Arizona??
it is funny but it takes more than 22 guys to win a football game
If we had a real QB, we wouldn't be anxiously awaiting our first 8-8 season.
I'm not blaming David for losing games, but I do believe this baby step expectations is tied directly to DC and his ability to play in the NFL.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
eeeeeeyyyeaah...
Jakes first year out of Arizona... his first year with Denver, was he better, or worse than when he was in Arizona??
Plummer did well in Denver, but 'well' isnt good enough there. It is Super Bowl or bust there. We have parades down Main St. when Carr manages to string two wins in a row....talk about a different world altogether
fwiw - plummer had the 3rd best record as a starting NFL QB between 2002-2005 (behind Peyton and Brady)....last year he was 7-4 when they brought in Cutler....they then went 2-3...why do some of the Carr homers think he is such a horrible alternative? do these guys honestly think Carr is better?
i wonder sometimes....
You weren't here last year. I doubt you'll be here next year.
You are from California... you are a Carr fan...
What's that saying about shoes that fit??
My Hero
Waterboy
I wasn't on the board,been a fan since opening day vs Dallas. Iv'e been to games and can name multiple players throughout five years. I've watched Andre at the Pro Bowl twice. Oh and I supported the drafting of Mario.
Wolf
100% Texan
so I am from Texas I am a Vince (Titan) fan now?
just trying to find logic in this
I'm not talking about Ws & Ls... I'm talking about how did Plummer look??
Do you remember people saying,"see, that's exactly why they shouldn't have signed Plummer. He couldn't do it in Arizona, what made them think he could do it in Denver??"
Or do you remember them saying, "Shanahan was able to see the talent behind the poor results in Arizona"
I remember them saying, "It took three years, but you always knew that Jake would show up sooner or later."
He didn't set the league on fire his first year, but his first year in Denver was without question better than his last year in Arizona.
That's stupid. I live in Cali. We lived in Texas and my sister was born there. I plan to retire in Texas.
There are Bears fans, Bronco fans, Dolfin fans in my neighborhood. Are they Carr fans too?
Nighthawk
Rookie
I think it's no mystery. The Texans are making another mistake trying to get more for Carr than the market will bear, and will thus end up losing a fourth round pick that they might have had.
It's like the Plummer deal--penny wise and pound foolish.
I think there's nobody who really wants Carr, and that's the name of that tune.
When David is gone, QB75 is gone, Hulk75 is gone, & Hollywood_Texan is still here it'll make more sense to you.
Nighthawk
Rookie
clue me in--what makes moon a sellout?
Really? I'll still be here. We know that Hulk is David's brother, I wouldn't expect him to be here. However, you labeled all the folks in CA, Carr fans, and we'll be gone when David is.
I think it will be more clear to you as time goes on.
ib4texans
Waterboy
I think it's a little sad that the venom has spread to this point. Don't worry I think that you can live in California and be a Texans fan.
Thank you. I know it has been hard and disappointing but with Kubes at the helm, I think we're going in the right direction, finally.
Wolf
100% Texan
My Hero
Waterboy
Yeah,because I won't be gone. I just got tired of reading all the endless rhetoric regarding Carr losing games and bieng trash and you can fin him in a dumpster etc.
If I didn't hope for the best for the Texans, and was only interested in California boys I would lobby for Dilfer. LOL
I had no doubt you lived in Cali.
I am surprised to hear of your ties to Texas.
Tell me one good thing about David's game. What makes him a starter in this league??
He isn't accurate. Most of his passes were behind his recievers. Yes, most.
He doesn't understand ball placement. He doesn't know how to lead a reciever, or throw away from coverage.
He can't escape a sack... I've never seen him do it. If protection goes south, so does David. Sure, if there's a big gap in front of him, he can take off, and pick up some yards... some first downs. But he isn't amoung the most elusive QBs in the league.
He can't read defenses... or at least I have never had the impression that he was attacking any particular weakness of any particular defense.
He doesn't understand mis-matches. if a LB is covering Moulds, I think I'd make that my first read. If Owen has Greg Ellis in man coverage against the sideline, I wouldn't motion him to the RT if I know we are running the play off right tackle. If We've got a reverse called, and I see a free Blitzer on the play side, I'd hand the ball off to RB going away from the reverse(if that was an option).
His footwork/timing was suspect as late as wek 10.
Last question. Will you be here next year, if David isn't??
I already answered that question.
David has to improve, no doubt. I think he will, given some talent around him, like a decent o-line, RB, and another WR threat.