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Carr's Numbers

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Sudds

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If DC continues on this pace, he's looking at:

3,500 yards passing
28 passing TDs
4 rushing TDs
8 interceptions

That my friends is the NFL's most improved player honor. However, I think DC only cares about how many wins the Texans have at the end of the season. Regardless, I admire the guy for his toughness, ability to handle unprecidended crisitism, 212 sacks handled with class, and his work ethic under Kubiak. We should be proud to have a guy with this type of character and mental strength on our team.
 
Sudds said:
If DC continues on this pace, he's looking at:

3,500 yards passing
28 passing TDs
4 rushing TDs
8 interceptions

That my friends is the NFL's most improved player honor. However, I think DC only cares about how many wins the Texans have at the end of the season. Regardless, I admire the guy for his toughness, ability to handle unprecidended crisitism, 212 sacks handled with class, and his work ethic under Kubiak. We should be proud to have a guy with this type of character and mental strength on our team.
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yes, and announcers and even other players have called Carr one of the toughest players in the NFL not just the toughest QB. I think he has and allways has had awkward footwork and atypical delivery and alot of people have a thing with that, so they never figured he would make it to the superstar QB level. He might not, but we could do ALOT worse than Carr for our QB. unfortunately as well as Kubiak has done with David, unless our oline keeps improving he will prolly not reach his full potential as a Texan.
 
Lets hope so. So far, the most I've heard about David Carr on the national media was a side comment by Tony on PTI, and the segment wasn't even on the Texans at the time.
 
He's still got a long way to go. The crazy thing is that he's putting up these numbers with zero running game and still getting sacked a lot. We're definitely seeing some progress which is nice. Now if we can get rid of the fumbles and get him some protection he'll be a top 10 QB.
 
the wonger need food said:
He's still got a long way to go. The crazy thing is that he's putting up these numbers with zero running game and still getting sacked a lot. We're definitely seeing some progress which is nice. Now if we can get rid of the fumbles and get him some protection he'll be a top 10 QB.
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Sounds simple enough huh? You wouldn't think these would be issues for 4 going on 5 years now. Thanks Dom.
 
I'd probably "top 10" him right now...but he is in the back half. He is on course to rise the charts though. He's done some things that I didn't think he would ever do well (60 games is a long time). Kudos to him.
 
I think that the numbers are still a little skewed, I wouldn't rank him in the top 10 just yet. He's got a fantastic completion percentage, but overall, his turnovers need to be added to his QB rating to get a complete picture. I like the fact that he's airing it out more and letting the receivers go get the ball. I had him pegged around 20 TD's and 10 INTS this year to call him a success, he's well on his way. Now if we can get a running game, he'd be all that much better.
 
SESupergenius said:
I think that the numbers are still a little skewed, I wouldn't rank him in the top 10 just yet. He's got a fantastic completion percentage, but overall, his turnovers need to be added to his QB rating to get a complete picture. I like the fact that he's airing it out more and letting the receivers go get the ball. I had him pegged around 20 TD's and 10 INTS this year to call him a success, he's well on his way. Now if we can get a running game, he'd be all that much better.
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who are the ten guys you put in front of him? (all based on this year's performances)
 
What boggles my mind is that the David Carr I saw last year, was basically the same David Carr I saw in preseason. I saw no improvement whatsoever. I was finally beginning to think it was a monumental mistake to extend him, that he was permanently damaged goods.

But the transformation that's taken place in just 3 games is what blows me away. I would have thought 'the Kubiak experiment', would take a lot longer to notice improvement in correcting the issues that he had. I'm amazed.
 
Not in order, off the top of my head, I'm most likely leaving someone out.

Frye, Grossman, Hasselbeck, Peyton, Brees, Pennington, and Kitna

I put Carr, Pennington, Kitna, and Grossman all about the same level.

edited McNabb, knew I'd forget one
 
Frills said:
Not in order, off the top of my head, I'm most likely leaving someone out.

Frye, Grossman, Hasselbeck, Peyton, Brees, Pennington, and Kitna

I put Carr, Pennington, Kitna, and Grossman all about the same level.

edited McNabb, knew I'd forget one
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Question: Where would you put Vick ??

He's not your traditional QB...But He's probaly doing more for his team, than some of the guys you named....Where is he on your list ??
 
Marcus said:
What boggles my mind is that the David Carr I saw last year, was basically the same David Carr I saw in preseason. I saw no improvement whatsoever. I was finally beginning to think it was a monumental mistake to extend him, that he was permanently damaged goods.

But the transformation that's taken place in just 3 games is what blows me away. I would have thought 'the Kubiak experiment', would take a lot longer to notice improvement in correcting the issues that he had. I'm amazed.
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I saw improvement since the first Preseason game. He wasn't playing scared.. a little hurried, happy feet an all that..... but definitely not scarred like last year.

That was my biggest fear. All those other things you can work out, but if he's scared to take a hit, forget about it.

Look at JakePlummer..... if he gets things going his way, you'll always have to wonder when the other Plummer is going to show up again. What I liked about Jake, was just like David, he played well on a bad team. But Jake had two years of playing scared in Arizona before going to Denver. I gave up on Jake his last year in Arizona..... so far, Jake has proven me right.

David........ I thought sure enough he was ruined. But either McNair got to him in time(1 year of playing scared vs the two Jake had), or He's mentally tougher than I thought he was...... I like to believe the latter.

But he's been getting better & better from the first preseason game. Little things for sure, & I can understand someone thinking he all of a sudden got better.

It's only a matter of time, before that light goes off in his head, and he understands how he is affecting the game. When he learns that defenses cheat based on what he is doing. The Safeties slide a little more towards his favorite reciever, the LBs keep everything in front of them, the Corners freely leave "their man" when blitzing, with little concern of a hot route. When he learns to recognize those things, and how he can/should take advantage of those things, then he can start imposing his will on the game, and controlling the outcome.
 
Vinny said:
who are the ten guys you put in front of him? (all based on this year's performances)
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I just look at the circumstances of the performances of the QB's. Carr has had 2 very good all around games and 2 games where he was sporadic and made some TD's late in the game when we were blown out. Factor in the fumbles on the exchanges his play really hasn't been in the top 10, just IMO. I'm really looking forward to see how he plays against a touch D like Dallas and the Jags. I'd say he's around top 15 however.

Vinny: I think you are just setting this up to give props to Carr because when I start him in our fantasy league against you and he lays the smack down on your team. ;)
 
I don't think that you can rank QB's solely on statistics and wins have to be considered. This would be my top 10 list so far this season...

1. McNabb
2. Manning
3. Grossman
4. Bulger
5. Pennington
6. Palmer
7. Brady
8. Carr
9. Leftwich
10. Brunell
 
SESupergenius said:
Vinny: I think you are just setting this up to give props to Carr because when I start him in our fantasy league against you and he lays the smack down on your team. ;)
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LOL

I'd probably say these guys are my top ten this year other than Carr....he is close to this group.... I didn't go off stats or anything, just some quick early observations. Some of these guys have great stats...some of these guys are just clutch, but I think all of them are keys to their teams winning games (at least so far this year).

Donovan McNabb
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Rex Grossman
Marc Bulger
Chad Pennington
Carson Palmer
Eli Manning
Tom Brady
Steve McNair
 
From todays Chronicle,
David Carr, who grew up in Bakersfield, Calif., more than 900 miles from the closest entry point to the Lone Star State and some 1,600 miles from the Astrodome, wants to make it clear: He does hate the Dallas Cowboys.

Because of this statement I am now a fan of Carr for life. Could this be the return of Carl Mauck? David, please show this hate on the field against the cowgirls.

:logo: :wherewill :logo: :wherewill
 
the wonger need food said:
I don't think that you can rank QB's solely on statistics and wins have to be considered. This would be my top 10 list so far this season...

1. McNabb
2. Manning
3. Grossman
4. Bulger
5. Pennington
6. Palmer
7. Brady
8. Carr
9. Leftwich
10. Brunell
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If you are basing it off of wins and not soley on stats...where is Vick on your list...IMO, Vick has done more for his team than Brunell and Leftwich...and Carr too...and Bulger.....
 
Charter PSL Fan said:
From todays Chronicle,
David Carr, who grew up in Bakersfield, Calif., more than 900 miles from the closest entry point to the Lone Star State and some 1,600 miles from the Astrodome, wants to make it clear: He does hate the Dallas Cowboys.

Because of this statement I am now a fan of Carr for life. Could this be the return of Carl Mauck? David, please show this hate on the field against the cowgirls.

:logo: :wherewill :logo: :wherewill
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He was a Cowboy fan at one time, specifically an Aikman fan. I'm sure he's just saying that to appease us.
 
Where is Vick on all of your lists...He's done way more for his team than some of the guys you all are listing..
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
If you are basing it off of wins and not soley on stats...where is Vick on your list...IMO, Vick has done more for his team than Brunell and Leftwich...and Carr too...and Bulger.....
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I left Vick off my list because of the Saints game. If you are a liability when you are behind I can't consider you a great QB. With the lead Vick is one of the more interesting QB's and very hard to stop.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
If you are basing it off of wins and not soley on stats...where is Vick on your list...IMO, Vick has done more for his team than Brunell and Leftwich...and Carr too...and Bulger.....
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It's a combination of the 2 mixed with personal biases. Brees was left off also and he is having a better year than Vick.
 
I would put Carr close to the top 10 based on this year, and how many QB's could you say that with if they had one of the worst lines in the NFL and down two starters? He was one of the few bright lights during our 3 game losing skid and seemes to be getting more comfortable with every game. And of course now we have to wait two weeks to see him play again...i hate you bye week
 
Vinny said:
I left Vick off my list because of the Saints game. If you are a liability when you are behind I can't consider you a great QB. With the lead Vick is one of the more interesting QB's and very hard to stop.
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the wonger need food said:
It's a combination of the 2 mixed with personal biases. Brees was left off also and he is having a better year than Vick.
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I can understand where both of you are coming from...

But I think that the saints were going to beat whoever they played that night honestly...Not a good exscuse...but C'mon....How Vick has been playing this year, other than that saints game they've looked unstoppable on offense...and against some pretty good defenses too...
 
the veer and wishbone are great with a lead too....just don't fall behind. I see Vick as the wishbone QB of the NFL. Tough to stop but if you get a lead he isn't all that.
 
Vick hasn't thrown for over 200 yards this season, if Im not mistaken, and is a liability in close games. I dont think there is anyway the Falcons make it to a Superbowl with him because they would basically have to have a lead or be within one score the for the entire playoffs.
 
Charter PSL Fan said:
From todays Chronicle,
David Carr, who grew up in Bakersfield, Calif., more than 900 miles from the closest entry point to the Lone Star State and some 1,600 miles from the Astrodome, wants to make it clear: He does hate the Dallas Cowboys.

Because of this statement I am now a fan of Carr for life. Could this be the return of Carl Mauck? David, please show this hate on the field against the cowgirls.

:logo: :wherewill :logo: :wherewill
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Now that is what I am talking about. Good stuff, but can you give me a link.
 
run-david-run said:
Vick hasn't thrown for over 200 yards this season, if Im not mistaken, and is a liability in close games. I dont think there is anyway the Falcons make it to a Superbowl with him because they would basically have to have a lead or be within one score the for the entire playoffs.
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Well thats not really a fair assesment...You are making it seem like Vick is the team...The Falcons have a helluva defense...And You are acting like all he can do is Run...like he's not allowed to pass...He isn't a Manning or Brady or Palmer...But he can pass well enough to keep the defense honest...
 
Man, I wish I had had the foresight to see this one coming. :rolleyes:

How you guys watch the same football games I do and thought he sucked for years, never had the chops for this league, was beyond help, bla bla is absolutely beyond me.

I will however echo you when I say it is nice to see him playing this well and yes, he can still be better.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I enjoy watching Vick play. I just do not want him on my team.
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I don't know how successful he'd be on another team...that's debatable...but IMO...Vick> the credit he gets...as far as what he does for his team...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Well thats not really a fair assesment...You are making it seem like Vick is the team...The Falcons have a helluva defense...And You are acting like all he can do is Run...like he's not allowed to pass...He isn't a Manning or Brady or Palmer...But he can pass well enough to keep the defense honest...
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That remains to be seen. In all honesty, Vick has had a couple of good passing games & he has won games, but to say the above statement............I don't know if you can say that teams fear his passing. The game plan is pretty simple with him but EXTREMELY hard to execute b/c most teams don't have enough athletes on the field to compete with his athletic ability: contain him running the ball & more often than not he can't beat you with the pass. If you look at all the big games he has lost, the gameplan never changes, just the athletes.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't know how successful he'd be on another team...that's debatable...but IMO...Vick> the credit he gets...as far as what he does for his team...
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IMO the opposite is true; he gets more credit and fame than he deserves. He's not a leader, he's not clutch, his ratio of poor decisions to good ones is way too high for my tastes, and he's little more than a glorified running back. His passing numbers have been very average and even when you factor in his running totals, he's still slightly above average at best. He has an elite supporting cast and IMO many times the Falcons win in spite of Vick, not because of him.

I'll grant that he's exciting to watch, but his arm is more of a liability than an asset, and he gets credit for too many wins that are primarily the product of the Falcons' defense and running game (and one of the weakest schedules in the league.)
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Where is Vick on all of your lists...He's done way more for his team than some of the guys you all are listing..
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4 Games

I'll compare Vick to Carr.

-------QBRat-- Comp--- Att--- Pct-- Yds --Y/G ---Y/A --TD --Int
Carr-- 108.9----- 81--- 111--- 73.0- 865 --216.3-- 7.8--- 7---- 2
Vick—--69.8------45----90----50.0--522 --130.5---5.8----3----2


------- Rush---Yds---- Y/G---- Avg--- TD
Carr----14---- -30----- 7.5 -----2.1 ---1
Vick----38-----333-----83.3-----8.8----1


Not even close. :redtowel:

All that running around Vick does, same amount of rushing TDs as Carr.

Vick is averaging more per run than he does per pass. Like the man said, Vick would be a good veer QB.

But then there are those who say statistics mean nothing..:rolleyes:



:coffee:
 
ATL attmepts the fewest passes per game...Less than any other team in the NFL...

Completion percentage is the word of the day...
 
cuppacoffee said:
4 Games

I'll compare Vick to Carr.

-------QBRat-- Comp--- Att--- Pct-- Yds --Y/G ---Y/A --TD --Int
Carr-- 108.9----- 81--- 111--- 73.0- 865 --216.3-- 7.8--- 7---- 2
Vick---69.8------45----90----50.0--522 --130.5---5.8----3----2


------- Rush---Yds---- Y/G---- Avg--- TD
Carr----14---- -30----- 7.5 -----2.1 ---1
Vick----38-----333-----83.3-----8.8----1


Not even close. :redtowel:

All that running around Vick does, same amount of rushing TDs as Carr.

Vick is averaging more per run than he does per pass. Like the man said, Vick would be a good veer QB.

But then there are those who say statistics mean nothing..:rolleyes:
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Carr has the best stats in the NFL...Does that mean he's the best QB in the leauge ???
 
run-david-run said:
I would put Carr close to the top 10 based on this year, and how many QB's could you say that with if they had one of the worst lines in the NFL and down two starters? He was one of the few bright lights during our 3 game losing skid and seemes to be getting more comfortable with every game. And of course now we have to wait two weeks to see him play again...i hate you bye week
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This I can agree with 100%.
 
The Falcons attempt the fewest passes in the leauge so if you want to look at the numbers go ahead...Vick is ahead of Roethelisberger in comp %...and not far behind...Bledsoe, Plummer, Brady,Favre, McNair...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
The Falcons attempt the fewest passes in the leauge so if you want to look at the numbers go ahead...Vick is ahead of Roethelisberger in comp %...and not far behind...Bledsoe, Plummer, Brady,Favre, McNair...
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Other than the aspect that 4 out of 6 of those QBs are clearly struggling this year and 2 are putting up very average performances, you're not making a case for Vick being elite here.

Pass attempts doesn't have a lot of bearing on completion percentage. You can make a case for need for a lot of throws to get into a rhythm, as well as the Falcons not needing to rely on a pass attack with a dominant run game, but that doesn't very well address the idea that Vick is an average at best passer in terms of decision making and ability to deliver the ball. As another measure, Vick is rated 27 in the league in passer rating.

Then again, with Vick as my QB, I'd limit his attempts too.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Carr has the best stats in the NFL...Does that mean he's the best QB in the leauge ???
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From a completely objective standard, yes it does. But stats don't measure willpower and leadership, and they only marginally measure decision-making abilities and consistency. That's why they have the passer rating formula, to determine which quarterback is technically the best at any given point in the season. But once you factor in the things that can't be measured by stats, I say Carr is obviously not the best quarterback in the league (thought right now he is one of the better ones).
 
jerek said:
Other than the aspect that 4 out of 6 of those QBs are clearly struggling this year and 2 are putting up very average performances, you're not making a case for Vick being elite here.

Pass attempts doesn't have a lot of bearing on completion percentage. You can make a case for need for a lot of throws to get into a rhythm, as well as the Falcons not needing to rely on a pass attack with a dominant run game, but that doesn't very well address the idea that Vick is an average at best passer in terms of decision making and ability to deliver the ball.

Then again, with Vick as my QB, I'd limit his attempts too.
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:tease:

What....are....we....talking....about.....????!!!!????

The only reason that I showed passing stats was to show that they weren't as bad as some may think....

I thought we were discussing QB's helping their teams win....DUHHHH Vick isn't an elite passer...No one ever said that...

I was talking about a QB who helps his team win...not how he does it...The Falcons are 3-1 right now...and Vick had a lot of something to do with that....
 
Talking about statistics only

I cut Vick on my fantasy team and now rotate Grossman, Frye, and Carr based on matchups. Vick will have an awesome game, then will kill you the next, add in the fact he has yet to complete season he doesn't make the top 10
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
ATL attmepts the fewest passes per game...Less than any other team in the NFL...

Completion percentage is the word of the day...
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45----90----50.0 Wow, that will knock your socks off.
Try 180 passes and complete 90...still 50%.


xtruroyaltyx said:
Carr has the best stats in the NFL...Does that mean he's the best QB in the leauge ???
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Changing directions are we?

Better than Vick, and that's who we were discussing.

Atl. would be better served with Vick at WR or KR.

You have your opinion, which will not change, and I have mine, which will not change..:D

:coffee:
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
:tease:

What....are....we....talking....about.....????!!!!????

The only reason that I brought showed passing stats was to show that they weren't as bad as some may think....

I thought we were discussing QB's helping their teams win....DUHHHH Vick isn't an elite passer...No one ever said that...

I was talking about a QB who helps his team win...not how he does it...The Falcons are 3-1 right now...and Vick had a lot of something to do with that....
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LOL and I disagree, but okay, fair enough. I think you could put just about QB behind center for the Falcons and okay, yes, you're losing Vick's running ability and the advantage you gain when the opposing D has to scheme for it, but you're probably going to be gaining a more legitimate pass threat. The ball always moves faster through the air than it does on the ground in someone's hands, and Vick just doesn't reliably and accurately move the ball through the air. IMO saying that Vick "had a lot of something to do with [winning]" is just incorrect; both Vick's numbers and the Falcons' running game and defense back that up, as well as my general observations of his game performance, especially against elite D's or in clutch moments.
 
You all can twist the stats all you want to...Vick's passing numbers aren't as high as some others because like I said...the falcons are dead last in attempts/game...But his completion percentage is relatively close to some of the QB's in the leauge who you all consider to be elite passers...BUT that wasn't the point...I know Vick isn't a top notched passer...My point was that he can pass well enough to keep defenses honest...He passes well enough to keep his offense moving......He passes well enough to Win....But You all turned it into a passing argument...THAT wasn't the point....I was talking about QB's Helping their teams Win and If you want to deny that Vick is top 12 at that go ahead....Im not going to argue with any of you about that....
 
jerek said:
LOL and I disagree, but okay, fair enough. I think you could put just about QB behind center for the Falcons and okay, yes, you're losing Vick's running ability and the advantage you gain when the opposing D has to scheme for it, but you're probably going to be gaining a more legitimate pass threat. The ball always moves faster through the air than it does on the ground in someone's hands, and Vick just doesn't reliably and accurately move the ball through the air. IMO saying that Vick "had a lot of something to do with [winning]" is just incorrect; both Vick's numbers and the Falcons' running game and defense back that up, as well as my general observations of his game performance, especially against elite D's or in clutch moments.
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Your arguments are based on hyptheticals and guesses....Lets talk about facts....What you are saying means that Carr could take Peytons spot, and the colts would actually be better....PUHHHLEEEEZZZ......Is Vick not part of the running game....You all are severely missing the boat....You all keep talking about Vick as if he is a seperate entitiy from his team, and his teams stats.....
 
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