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Carr's Win
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Texans34Life
I BLEED TEXANS!
Carr's rushing stats:
4 rushes, -8 yards, 1 TD.
4 rushes, -8 yards, 1 TD.
Naw . . . he played horrible. He absolutely sucked out there. Absolute bust for 5 years going. Absolutely no poise in the pocket. Can't ever get it downfield. All the sacks were his fault. Can't ever find an open receiver.
Just figured I'd get the jump on all the haters around here.
Just figured I'd get the jump on all the haters around here.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Naw . . . he played horrible. He absolutely sucked out there. Absolute bust for 5 years going. Absolutely no poise in the pocket. Can't ever get it downfield. All the sacks were his fault. Can't ever find an open receiver.
Just figured I'd get the jump on all the haters around here.
speaking as one of the most vocal carr critics, i reiterate what i've always said. I don't give a damn how it happens, i just want to WIN. we WON. what kind of fan can complain today?
texflex513
Rookie
Thats my QB!!!
Zepp1978
Houston Hot Takes
Naw . . . he played horrible. He absolutely sucked out there. Absolute bust for 5 years going. Absolutely no poise in the pocket. Can't ever get it downfield. All the sacks were his fault. Can't ever find an open receiver.
Just figured I'd get the jump on all the haters around here.
You say it with sarcasm, but walking to the car after the game, people were STILL bashing the guy and saying he can't throw down field.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
You say it with sarcasm, but walking to the car after the game, people were STILL bashing the guy and saying he can't throw down field.
Really? That's just completely uncalled for.
I'm simply amazed how people are saying David Carr had a great game when he simply did what he has done all year. Stat's the same, difference......a win. That being said, I congradulate David. Now, all the hater's, push for Sage to start next week. And as much as I love V. Young, I believe he looked alittle overpowered today.......
Hey, I'm not surprised by that at all. As a matter of fact, I'm listening to the radio right now, and I've already heard 3 different people call in say that Carr played a bad game, and they won in spite of him.You say it with sarcasm, but walking to the car after the game, people were STILL bashing the guy and saying he can't throw down field.
I just don't get it.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
dont look at me.....alls quiet in the potstirring world in winning weeks.
Like I've posted before, Carr is in a no-win situation with some fans. Those fans are the one's who have to try to come up with anything to say to try and prove a point and hate to give credit where credit is due. Carr is going to lead this team and I'm his biggest supporter. Great game DC!!
H
Headlights of a Carr
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Vinny
shiny happy fan
In all fairness he struggled with his deep ball. It doesn't look very good this year....he is throwing the ball up like punts too often. Many of those passes are going to get picked off if he keeps doing that.You say it with sarcasm, but walking to the car after the game, people were STILL bashing the guy and saying he can't throw down field.
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
Naw . . . he played horrible. He absolutely sucked out there. Absolute bust for 5 years going. Absolutely no poise in the pocket. Can't ever get it downfield. All the sacks were his fault. Can't ever find an open receiver.
Just figured I'd get the jump on all the haters around here.
Hahaha. You'd be surprised how many people will still find fault in Carr. Weird
David is awesome. I have been saying it and always will.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
This isn't Carr's win, the defense won this game.
The offense played like it has since 2004, 17 points, about 200 yards passing, and 90 yards rushing.
The offense didn't run the 2 minute drill with 1:50 left in the first half on it's own 20. And, the offense only got 1 first down with an 8 point lead and gave the ball back to Miami with around 4 minutes left.
The good news, the offense scored 14 points in the 4th quarter.
But, Carr's stats are the same he always gets, which is good but not great.
Defense played a lot better, and a victory worked out for us as a result.
Against a quality opponent, the Texans probably would have had their jocks handed to them again.
Good win though, and hopefully this is a start. We'll see, they play the Cowboys next.
The offense played like it has since 2004, 17 points, about 200 yards passing, and 90 yards rushing.
The offense didn't run the 2 minute drill with 1:50 left in the first half on it's own 20. And, the offense only got 1 first down with an 8 point lead and gave the ball back to Miami with around 4 minutes left.
The good news, the offense scored 14 points in the 4th quarter.
But, Carr's stats are the same he always gets, which is good but not great.
Defense played a lot better, and a victory worked out for us as a result.
Against a quality opponent, the Texans probably would have had their jocks handed to them again.
Good win though, and hopefully this is a start. We'll see, they play the Cowboys next.
Scooter
Funky
every deep ball he's thrown has been with a hand on him, or a big hit as it leaves his hand. even last week's great play action on the first drive had carr getting grabbed from behind. given the circumstances, i'd say he's doing alright. i think he's being told to get some loft on the ball for the exact reason we saw earlier. andre johnson, even in double coverage, is likely to come down with it. if AJ doesnt, nobody does.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Carr is (so far) playing his best season of football. No question about it. He looks like a real NFL QB out there. He isn't as good as his rating indicates, but to me, he looks like a middle of the pack honest to goodness NFL QB out there. And, we can win with that version of DC as long as he has weapons and time to throw. He needs to be a lot more consistent, especially with his deep passes, but does anyone really want to go back to the dump it off to the RB every play of last year, or the Carr who is finding AJ and Moulds all over the field, incorporting his TE's and his backs, etc. This version of Carr gets a solid B from me. And he is doing all of this with no running game. Kudos to the coaches, and kudos for Carr for taking the coaching. Just needs work on his deep ball, his pocket presence, and fumbling/snap exchanges.
Scooter
Funky
Forget it. You're just making excuses for his poor play . . . remember?
lol my bad, i forgot.
GP
Go Texans!
I used to get pee-'od about this, too--The lobbed balls that come down with ice on them. I hated it, and I thought it was bad form by Carr.
He rifles the ball on the intermediate routes, but I think he and AJ have an agreement: "Carr throws the ball long and high, and AJ says he'll go get it or he'll make sure the defender doesn't come down with it."
I just think this is a little bit of a "contract" that Carr and AJ have going on. I honestly think he and AJ are actually on the same page and it's designed to be thrown like that.
Think about: You're a tiny DB running downfield with AJ, a monster WR...and you have to stop running, turn around in a flash to locate the ball, AND out-muscle AJ for it when the ball comes into your reach.
I'd be crapping my pants if I was a DB and had to do that against AJ. It's psychological warfare, if you ask me.
That pass is most likely going to be one of four things: 1. An incomplete pass, 2. A catch, 3. A pass interference call, or 4. An interception. I'll take those odds if AJ is manned up on the play.
He rifles the ball on the intermediate routes, but I think he and AJ have an agreement: "Carr throws the ball long and high, and AJ says he'll go get it or he'll make sure the defender doesn't come down with it."
I just think this is a little bit of a "contract" that Carr and AJ have going on. I honestly think he and AJ are actually on the same page and it's designed to be thrown like that.
Think about: You're a tiny DB running downfield with AJ, a monster WR...and you have to stop running, turn around in a flash to locate the ball, AND out-muscle AJ for it when the ball comes into your reach.
I'd be crapping my pants if I was a DB and had to do that against AJ. It's psychological warfare, if you ask me.
That pass is most likely going to be one of four things: 1. An incomplete pass, 2. A catch, 3. A pass interference call, or 4. An interception. I'll take those odds if AJ is manned up on the play.
blockhead83
Rookie
I think this is what's happening. And to second what another poster said, alot of these deep passes are coming in situations where Carr is saying, "Oh crap, looks like I'm about to get levelled. Andre's in single coverage downfield, I might as well just huck it up in that direction." Carr's deep ball hasn't looked great, but I think these jump balls to AJ in single coverage are good decisions. The one he tried to Kevin Walter last week that was an INT obviously didn't turn out as well, but I have no problem with Carr throwing these to Johnson.
Otherwise, Carr looks great and we rode his shoulders to this win today. I want him to try and have a better feel for that pressure from behind that's causing 1-2 fumbles every game, but otherwise the guy's playing really well. Another thing is that he's standing in the pocket and waiting to the last second for his big passes, even taking some big shots in the process, but he's getting right back up and fighting through it. The guy's showed some real leadership today, IMO.
Thats an interesting way of looking at it. I think there might be a little of that. Good post.
he helped my real life team and my fantasy team!
Number19
Hall of Fame
Carr was sacked five times and was hit I don't know how many more times. Not much improvement here. The Oline was barely adequate for a close win.
chuckm
Veteran
huh? You mean the one he threw while being hit (AJ made an awesome play)? He did have one in the second half that was poorly thrown but does that mean he's struggling with his deep ball? He hit AJ 2 weeks ago in stride on a long sideline route .... sheesh he rarely has time to throw a deep ball ...
Carr's glass half empty fans line up behind Vinny
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Quoted For Truth. The Texans needed this win and got it. It wasn't Carr's win or any one player's win. It was a team win. If you could point to anything that won today, it was the defense for sure. You should have heard our endzone when Mario finally broke his cherry and got a sack. The place went bananas. Then he got in on a shared sack, next play. Then there was the 4th and 3 that Miami converted, but at least we won
As for Carr himself, he continues to look good and I actually like the jump ball to Andre play. Andre is either going to catch it or play defensive back. Anyone notice that Carr is dropping back slower and steadier than the past. I know Kubes has been drilling that into him, and its showing both in the dropback and the improved reads. Carr has continued to look better each game and showed the killer instinct (FINALLY) when he put in the 2nd touchdown to go up by 11 in the 4th quarter. First time I have seen Carr take the team on his shoulders and get it done.
Did anyone else notice we converted like a bunch of 3rd and Longs today. That has been Carr's biggest fault aside from the fumbles. Well if he can continue to progress and get rid of the fumbilitis, we can silence all the NFL Draft talk about QB prospects and go to our glaring weakness in next year's draft..replacing Dunta..we need secondary help like yesterday...SOS send DBs SOS
Good day to be a Texan Fan,
Doug From The Woodlands
chuckm
Veteran
Quoted For Truth. The Texans needed this win and got it. It wasn't Carr's win or any one player's win. It was a team win. If you could point to anything that won today, it was the defense for sure. You should have heard our endzone when Mario finally broke his cherry and got a sack. The place went bananas. Then he got in on a shared sack, next play. Then there was the 4th and 3 that Miami converted, but at least we won
As for Carr himself, he continues to look good and I actually like the jump ball to Andre play. Andre is either going to catch it or play defensive back. Anyone notice that Carr is dropping back slower and steadier than the past. I know Kubes has been drilling that into him, and its showing both in the dropback and the improved reads. Carr has continued to look better each game and showed the killer instinct (FINALLY) when he put in the 2nd touchdown to go up by 11 in the 4th quarter. First time I have seen Carr take the team on his shoulders and get it done.
Did anyone else notice we converted like a bunch of 3rd and Longs today. That has been Carr's biggest fault aside from the fumbles. Well if he can continue to progress and get rid of the fumbilitis, we can silence all the NFL Draft talk about QB prospects and go to our glaring weakness in next year's draft....SECONDARY HELP!!
Good day to be a Texan Fan,
Doug From The Woodlands
OMG .... what's next? .... dogs and cats living together .... props to you
You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Second Honeymoon again
Well, I'm going to take the high road and say I just disagree with you. The night and day difference between Carr today and Carr a year ago . . . to chock that up to only Kubiak tutoring him is simplistic. You still need to have some confidence that you aren't going to get creamed everytime you drop back and throw the ball.
I don't care if Carr got sacked 10 times today. He still had time to throw on at least 22 of his 29 attempts, and to not give the OL a little credit for that is stupid IMO.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
If Andre is under single coverage, I like the play. It's low risk and high reward. That one play that Carr threw deep in the face of the incoming rush, was one of Carr's best plays in the NFL to date. If Carr can keep this up and the Texans get 5-6 wins, Carr could get his first Pro Bowl invite...probably as an alternate, but still a huge step up in his 1st year under Kubes.
Doug From The Woodlands
I focused on the play of Salaam and Bedell - so I didn't see any improvement. They aren't very good. There was almost constant pressure or hits on Carr from that side.
I guess Weigert did better today in pass protection. The middle of the line looked about the same as always to me.
The running backs had 67 yards in 28 carries for a 2.4 yard average according to the ESPN box score. I don't see any improvement in run blocking either.
I guarantee you the offensive lineman like to see this too. They like to see Dre get a chance to make a play, and they truly appreciate Carr risking his TD/interception ratio rather than take another sack.
As long as catches/incompletions are a lot more common than interceptions in this situation, I'd like it to continue. I've posted in the past that the previous coaches forbid Carr to take these chances. It was just to risky for them.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Carr has been throwing a good football all year and aside from the fumbles, has been doing a pretty good job. Like it or not (and I like it) his stock is shooting through the roof under Kubiak. He even showed some leadership today by getting that 2nd touchdown. In the past, he would have settled for a field goal or ball control. It was a good thing.
The huge ovation for Mario on his 1st sack could have been misinterpreted for a Bronx Cheer but I think it was more everyone saying 'Mario, this is how much love we can give you. Now go out there and earn that love'...and he did. It was the 3rd best feeling i have had other than the Cowboys and Jacksonville (Carr's 4th down TD dive) wins.
Carebear-ing,
Doug From The Woodlands
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I've said nice things about his game today...I just didn't say the same thing in every post. He made some great throws but his deep ball looks funky right now for some reason. It seems like he is pushing it.
chuckm
Veteran
Scooter
Funky
i think it is almost entirely coaching, because carr IS getting creamed every time he drops back. even on the short stuff, carr's getting groped. the line today looked as bad, if not worse than it ever has IMO. HOWEVER, the pass protection that we're getting from the backs has picked up quite a bit. gado is stoning defenders and dayne's improving each week (not a big fan of cook), so carr isnt as worried about the linebacker coming in uncontested. the difference that kubiak is giving carr is much quicker decisions and he's got carr to the point where he's making the throw instead of folding as the 300lb guys fall on top of him.
O.G.,
You are wrong - he played his best game today. No fumbles today (unlike last few weeks), No INT's (the 1 in the stat book today is really Andre's), and played all around headsy. I think the game would not have been so close had Kube not been so conservative on the last drive (run on 3rd&8). Also, if the Texans can improve the protection - watch out. Now we just need another RB other than Dayne.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Looks to me he's doing it on purpose - when Miami blitzed he wanted to get a jump ball to Andre who was getting man'd deep. It worked every time expecpt the last drive and it was b/c Andre lost the ball - otherwise that would have been a big gain also. I'm sure those man coverage jump balls where in the game plan by Kube.