Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
I thought his flaw was the third round
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Stop blaming O'Brien and start blaming the ownership and management
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Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
LMAO @ "Rick Smith was in the bottom tier of GMs" ... like seriously where do you guys get these takes from? Just pull them out of thin air? A few keystrokes could prevent your from looking like a subjective fool!!
After 2014 all Rick Smith did was draft guys like: Bernardrick McKinney, Will Fuller, Nick Martin, DJ Reader (gem), Deshaun Watson, Zach Cunningham, Carlos Watkins
found undrafted guys after 2014 like: Greg Mancz & Brennan Scarlett to go with finding Arian Foster as an UDFA also.
these types of conversations would be better realized if everyone was more informed. Subjectively speaking you can say Rick Smith sucked, but the numbers dont bear that out - Just sayin'!!
After 2014 all Rick Smith did was draft guys like: Bernardrick McKinney, Will Fuller, Nick Martin, DJ Reader (gem), Deshaun Watson, Zach Cunningham, Carlos Watkins
found undrafted guys after 2014 like: Greg Mancz & Brennan Scarlett to go with finding Arian Foster as an UDFA also.
these types of conversations would be better realized if everyone was more informed. Subjectively speaking you can say Rick Smith sucked, but the numbers dont bear that out - Just sayin'!!
LMAO @ "Rick Smith was in the bottom tier of GMs" ... like seriously where do you guys get these takes from? Just pull them out of thin air? A few keystrokes could prevent your from looking like a subjective fool!!
After 2014 all Rick Smith did was draft guys like: Bernardrick McKinney, Will Fuller, Nick Martin, DJ Reader (gem), Deshaun Watson, Zach Cunningham, Carlos Watkins
found undrafted guys after 2014 like: Greg Mancz & Brennan Scarlett to go with finding Arian Foster as an UDFA also.
these types of conversations would be better realized if everyone was more informed. Subjectively speaking you can say Rick Smith sucked, but the numbers dont bear that out - Just sayin'!!
Tell me about the 2014 draft that BOB gets blamed for? If he gets blamed for the bad picks does he get credit for the good picks after the 2014 draft.
Also if you go back and look at the 11 yrs RS was here and look at picks in rds 2-4 (Roster building picks, something you obviously cant seem to comprehend) it will make you sick to your stomach.
Bottom line is RS was very good picking star level players in the 1st rd. However when it came to picking lower level draft picks (You know like in rds 2-4 where the real work is put in) he was subpar at best. The lack of depth while he was GM should tell you that but obviously it wont.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
GMs more often pick busts than studs. This goes true for ALL GMs. I prefer evaluating GMs relative to other GMs, instead of dissecting pick-by-pick. UR's chart is a relative comparison to other GMs. It doesn't necessarily say he was a good GM, but compared to the rest of the league, he was one of the better ones.
Compare RS to Ozzie.
You should compare yourself to the best in your profession. Not the avg.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
I tend to agree, or we should stop crying about our middling coach. We want one of the best, not a 9-7 expert, and if we want super bowls you need good ownership, GM, coaching, and players to get it done
I shouldn't have said anything as my info is second hand. I've never met the man.
Still, if he is trying to get a GM job & hasn't been able to, all I'm saying is it probably has nothing to do with his record as GM.
To be fair, if Rick Smith found out on December 31, 2018 he would not be returning to the Texans? How many GM jobs were available since Smith officially left the Texans? There were reports he was in the running for the Redskins' job but they decided to give an experienced HC like Ron Rivera control of personnel.
I'm not trying to defend Rick Smith, but sometimes, things get repeated ad nauseum in this forum and when it's not challenged, it passes as truth.
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2017
He took a leave of absence in 2017. His wife died in January 2019. Again, not being a Smith defender. I'm just thinking before we say the man cannot get hired, we should see which of the 32 NFL jobs were available after his wife died.
BTW, I'm not calling you the type of poster who posts opinions ad nauseum and it starts to be taken as fact with little proof.
You're being a bit disingenuous here. AJ didn't fall off a cliff in 2014. He still had a very good year despite the new regime and new QB. He got cut because OB was a jackass and said he wouldn't be starting in 2015. Which was just stupid by OB because his #2 WR in 2015 was a mediocre Cecil Shorts who had less than half the production AJ had in 2014
cland
Rookie
I agree that OB was a jackass in the manor that he let him go, but Andre was slowing down and he had become a possesion receiver at that point. He went from 1400 yds to 900 in 2014. The next year it was 500 yds, then 85 yds before he retired.
But you guys are arguing with the example (which I chose because of familiarity) and not the actual point.
Let me take a different tact, I don't want to be the team where Ahman Green, Eric Moulds, and Ed Reed came to earn they're last pay-check with one foot out the door on their way to retirement.
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BOB told AJ that he would be catching around 40-50 balls the next yr. AJ asked for his release, BOB granted AJ his wish. (Not sure how that makes BOB a jackass) AJ caught 50 balls with the Colts the next season and was clearly in decline. Letting go of AJ and his salary was the right thing to do.
OB told AJ that he wouldn't even start. He was going to start Cecil Shorts over him. That's what makes him a jackass and that's why AJ asked for his release. As anyone with any pride would. You can't let your love for OB overshadow the facts. Don't even try to throw the salary thing in... that's weak sauce
From the link above:
O'Brien wasn't finished, informing Johnson that he wouldn't even start next season alongside DeAndre Hopkins.
"I was floored," Johnson said. "I don't feel like there is a guy on that team that can outplay me or outwork me. I mean, who am I going to play behind?
"So I was real honest with him: 'If that's your role for me, you're going to be dealing with a miserable football player.'"
O'Brien wasn't finished, informing Johnson that he wouldn't even start next season alongside DeAndre Hopkins.
"I was floored," Johnson said. "I don't feel like there is a guy on that team that can outplay me or outwork me. I mean, who am I going to play behind?
"So I was real honest with him: 'If that's your role for me, you're going to be dealing with a miserable football player.'"
I was showing you that OB did in fact inform AJ that he wouldn't be starting. Whether or not it was time to move on or not was not the question. OB did in fact handle it like a jackass
Who was the second best WR on that team? Are you seriously saying that Cecil Shorts was better than AJ?
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
I've heard some ridiculous stuff trying to justify an outlandish take before but that one's a doozy
You're just ignoring the fact that Luck missed half the season and the QB was a 40 year old Hasselback. After Luck went down, the offense went through Frank Gore and Coby Fleener. But you carry on with your OB worship. I'm done talking at you
House of Pain
Wild Speculator
Whoever started this thread is super smart
Texansballer74
The Marine
The walking dead thread.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Indeed. But, if the team does have OL problems this year. I think you have to look at Cal and Hannah for not ordering 2 OL picks to start the draft OR picking up better FAs
No! We do not want the owners involved in football decisions... let that stay in Cleveland
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
NFL owners, for the most part, are simply fans like us, with a **** ton more money. And if fans like us the made the on field/football decisions the franchise would be in the toilet bowl for decades. No different than if that fan happens to be mega rich and owns the team.
Now getting the proper personnel to make those on field/decisions is on the owners. And before Hannah took what appears to be a much more involved role, I do believe there is some accountability in place now that wasn’t there before.
Let the football people you hire do their jobs while at the same time make them accountable. It’s one thing for an owner to demand a QB, it’s another for an owner to be demanding we need this here and that there and so on. I mean, they can because they own the team, but like I said, it usually ends in disaster. And if they are making those decisions then what’s the point of hiring the football people you do have?
Jerry Jones had it right in the beginning. Hell, Jim Crane had it right in the beginning. Both have gotten away from what made their franchises champions. 3 decades now for the Cowboys and I think the Astros are on their way back to mediocre.
Who claimed who was not in decline? I didn't know the conversation was about thatI thought recently that claiming someone not in decline was the outlandish take
Then why did you jump in?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Add Easterby to that also..
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
BOB could see AJ was in decline but couldnt see anything else going on with his team?
Telling a player like Andre how many catches he was going to have before the season was and will always be ridiculous and him catching that many in a whole other system with completely different players was more dumb irony more than OB being a soothsayer.
Theres no way to pinpoint exactly how many catches a guy will have in a season and if he had those kinds of abilities hed still be an nfl head coach.
Pretty crazy to think he was so good he could pinpoint something like that but couldnt decide what QB to play and yanked Tom Savage at halftime after watching this guy for over a year and all though training camp. Not to mention the whole Hoyer Mallet stuff. But he could predict how many catches AJ was going have in a season. C'mon.
JJ Watt was right, OB was not a good coach.
texanhead08
All Pro
Doesn't matter Brian AFC South Champs Back to Back
He hit it on the nailhead. All of the other stuff is just yiou trying to deflect from the truth.
ShinobiMusashi
Waterboy
Andre should have retired a Texan, seems like something they could have easily figured out how to make that happen.
cland
Rookie
Not to mention he's the first player in the ring of honor, and his hall-of-fame induction was all about his Texans playing career. Of all the things to criticize with ownership and the FO, they handled Andre Johnson's retirement about as well as you could have hoped for.
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He did, he signed a one day contract and retired with the Texans. What makes AJ different than say Montana and Rice, or Watt for that matter. Fans should get attached to the team not the players.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
AJ did more than enough over the years to earn the opportunity to compete for the #1 role. He didn't deserve O'Brien telling him he's on his way to the glue factory without being given a chance to prove otherwise.