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Houston Texans 2025 Draft Class

calishung7717 said:
I'm not sure about either statement here. Ersery seems to be an OT only but we will see. He's a great athlete for his size. And not sure that they thought more highly of him than Conerly. Reports that they tried to trade up for Conerly after moving down to 34. But also reports that they tried to trade up for Booker, Banks, and Egbuka prior to that. Still thrilled with Higgins, though. Wouldn't have even disliked it at 25.
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They traded up for Eresy, they traded up for Woody Mark's, they traded up for Luke Lachey. Most people don't agree with trading up for those players. Throughout Caserio's career here in Houston his selections after a trade causes most people to scratch their heads.

I say this to say, we "know" the Texans tried to trade up at various points in the draft & did not succeed. We have no idea who the Texans were targeting & chances are we're wrong about who we think they wanted.
 
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steelbtexan said:
What needs do they have and how would you address them?
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I say RB, but I'm not sure what the think about Pierce. He flashed a little last year, but didn't get a lot of opportunities. I also believe TE is a huge hole, maybe they're still happy with Schultz.

What can we do? Wait for someone to get cut, try to find a trade partner. I don't know.
 
calishung7717 said:
I'm not sure about either statement here. Ersery seems to be an OT only but we will see. He's a great athlete for his size. And not sure that they thought more highly of him than Conerly. Reports that they tried to trade up for Conerly after moving down to 34. But also reports that they tried to trade up for Booker, Banks, and Egbuka prior to that. Still thrilled with Higgins, though. Wouldn't have even disliked it at 25.
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I view Ersery @ LG as I did Donovan Jackson @ LT; probably do okay but only if emergency.
 
Texian said:
I did not loathe Nick Caserio from day one. I can promise you, Nick earned every bit of my disrespect for him as a GM. It was around the first training camp that I realized that Nick Caserio was everything that Jack Easterby thought he could be. You have some kind of special gullibility to not see Nick the facilitator, was over his head as a GM.
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Whatever you say, bro.
 
Number19 said:
Speaking only to the offense, I think the Texans have done a credible job addressing their most glaring needs in free agency, the draft and now a signing in UDFA. Our rebuilt OL is pretty much set, with the IOL still needing competition to upgrade Scruggs and Broeker. Maybe Eli Cox can push Scruggs at the backup OC position.

This offense should move to middle of the pack. Our passing game should return to maybe top 10. It remains to be seen how much better our run game can be, but improved over last year? Yes.

So, as of now, no glaring needs until we see how our new coaching staff can coach up this roster.

And I'm well aware I'm always more optimistic than some on this board who always want more. What I see is a playoff team with a two year record of 20 - 14 who has made significant changes to get the team to the next level. And I'm now patient to see the results.
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Fantastic post. Exactly how I feel about things.
 
thunderkyss said:
They traded up for Eresy, they traded up for Woody Mark's, they traded up for Luke Lachey. Most people don't agree with trading up for those players. Throughout Caserio's career here in Houston is selections after a trade causes most people to scratch their heads.

I say this to say, we "know" the Texans tried to trade up at various points in the draft & did not succeed. We have no idea who the Texans were targeting & chances are we're wrong about who we think they wanted.
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I hear you but it seems pretty obvious that they adored both Booker and Banks. Tons of smoke there. They were definitely targeting Booker if they had gotten pick 12.
 
Really liked getting both the Iowa State receivers - that feels like a massive dub for the team as a whole.

Was surprised and disappointed they weren’t able to get more o-line pieces especially in the interior but one thing I really noticed was a that a lot of the Cs and Gs dropped far lower than most prognosticators had them so nfl teams as whole didn’t rank them as highly.

Which again shouldn’t be surprising. One thing I don’t think people realize when they talk about “value” and “they could have got them later” when discussing guys taken in rounds 3 and beyond is most prognosticators have barely watched those prospects. They’ll watch maybe a game or two and have a very rough idea of their game and if those games happen to be good or bad it massively influences their overall feel of the player.

It’s just a simple numbers and time factor. A lot of these prognosticators have full time media gigs that have to fit tape watching in on the side. NFL teams have huge staffs that grind tape and go to games as a full time (plus overtime) job.

Overall though I liked the draft a lot. They addressed a lot of needs especially at wideout. Only criticisms were lack of interior oline and would have liked some higher ranked DT or RB picks because the classes were deep and good but I can’t really find faults because ones I wanted weren’t available without significant trade ups being required.
 
thunderkyss said:
I say RB, but I'm not sure what the think about Pierce. He flashed a little last year, but didn't get a lot of opportunities. I also believe TE is a huge hole, maybe they're still happy with Schultz.

What can we do? Wait for someone to get cut, try to find a trade partner. I don't know.
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I think Pierce will be fine.

TE is a huge hole and they need a better blocking TE. Lachey can handle those duties.
 
Sweech said:
Really liked getting both the Iowa State receivers - that feels like a massive dub for the team as a whole.

Was surprised and disappointed they weren’t able to get more o-line pieces especially in the interior but one thing I really noticed was a that a lot of the Cs and Gs dropped far lower than most prognosticators had them so nfl teams as whole didn’t rank them as highly.

Which again shouldn’t be surprising. One thing I don’t think people realize when they talk about “value” and “they could have got them later” when discussing guys taken in rounds 3 and beyond is most prognosticators have barely watched those prospects. They’ll watch maybe a game or two and have a very rough idea of their game and if those games happen to be good or bad it massively influences their overall feel of the player.

It’s just a simple numbers and time factor. A lot of these prognosticators have full time media gigs that have to fit tape watching in on the side. NFL teams have huge staffs that grind tape and go to games as a full time (plus overtime) job.

Overall though I liked the draft a lot. They addressed a lot of needs especially at wideout. Only criticisms were lack of interior oline and would have liked some higher ranked DT or RB picks because the classes were deep and good but I can’t really find faults because ones I wanted weren’t available without significant trade ups being required.
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The Iowa State guys and Woody are all big upgrades in the passing game. With Kirk in there, that is a pretty solid 4 WR set, especially with Woody in the backfield.

A 3-tech DT would have been great. An interior pass rusher and a DE/OLB tweener to take advantage of Anderson and Hunter would have been sweet.

This for sure gave their franchise QB a bunch of weapons. I was pissed at the trade down originally, because I thought it cost them both a WR and Conerly. Glad that worked out
 
thunderkyss said:
They traded up for Eresy, they traded up for Woody Mark's, they traded up for Luke Lachey. Most people don't agree with trading up for those players. Throughout Caserio's career here in Houston is selections after a trade causes most people to scratch their heads.

I say this to say, we "know" the Texans tried to trade up at various points in the draft & did not succeed. We have no idea who the Texans were targeting & chances are we're wrong about who we think they wanted.
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The only thing I “know” about a Nick Caserio-led draft is he doesn’t get jumped for a player his team covets. If they want the player bad enough they’ll go up and get them. If they have them rated similarly with other prospects, they wont.
 
Some interesting tidbits from Aaron Wilson. Banks' agent had his ceiling as 7 and his floor as 13. Texans knew it was a long shot. Wanted Booker badly but Dallas wouldn't budge at 12. They briefly thought about trading up for Egbuka but moved on. Loved the Michigan DT Grant and would've seriously considered him at 25 if he had gotten there. Had a high grade on Ersery and believe he can be a long term piece on the oline. Interior olineman Eli Cox got the biggest udfa guarantee at $250k and it's very possible he makes the team.

 
I am feeling confident we got better. Not superstar flashy better, but blue collar better. The o-line was not working last year for a number of reasons which also includes roles not on the o-line. The o-line was under performing for a number of reasons, which hopefully means that coaching can add improvement. Even if we only get to slightly less then league average protection we made a huge jump.
Also the lack of offensive targets at times makes it hard for the o-line and the QB. If the D is not afraid of anyone not named Nico, they have a great advantage against us. This allows them much tighter coverage. If we can force opposing defensives to scheme us more honestly then that will open up the much missed short yard, middle of the field plays. The new WRs (Free agent and drafted) and pass catching RB should be able to provide some help.
 
It's pretty obvious that the Texans feel better about the players they have in the building for OL as opposed to drafting more IOLs. And they definitely did not feel this way about the WR room. This speaks volumes about what they think about Metchie and Hutchinson. The picks tell me those guys are on the chopping block and very unlikely to make the team.

We won't know how good this draft is/was until a couple of years from now, but I can't fault them for their vision and the plan they executed. Doesn't look like they overdrafted anyone with the exception of Marks, but I don't really have an issue with it if he's the guy they thought would fit their offense. IMO don't really have an issue with overdrafting players unless it's in round 1 or 2.
 
House of Pain said:
It's pretty obvious that the Texans feel better about the players they have in the building for OL as opposed to drafting more IOLs. And they definitely did not feel this way about the WR room. This speaks volumes about what they think about Metchie and Hutchinson. The picks tell me those guys are on the chopping block and very unlikely to make the team.

We won't know how good this draft is/was until a couple of years from now, but I can't fault them for their vision and the plan they executed. Doesn't look like they overdrafted anyone with the exception of Marks, but I don't really have an issue with it if he's the guy they thought would fit their offense. IMO don't really have an issue with overdrafting players unless it's in round 1 or 2.
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Without a doubt, the protection problems in the second half of the season were partly due to a lack of players who could create any separation with, or without, the ball.
 
I said this back when Caley was hired. The quick hitting passing game was lacking under Slowick. They went and added guys who could create early separation. Scheme plus talent that can create early throw windows will INHERENTLY improve blocking. Reducing the crossers and shot plays that Slowick called in abundance will also aid the line. To be clear, I am not saying the Texans will instantly have the Cowboys offensive line of the 90s, but I see league average to top 1/3 in best case scenario.
 
NitroGSXR said:
31 teams get an automatic A+ for not drafting Shedeur.
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A few good videos on YouTube explaining why the Giants Visit cost him! And it's 2 reasons 1) He isn't amazing just good 2) Nobody wanted to deal with Prime who in the videos is seen " running the show" so to speak. He even says when asked what if Sanders lasts till #9 and the Saints take him. He says "no way that happens" later, as he starts dropping and the Saints are on the clock he says "I always liked black and gold"
 
The1ApplePie said:
The Iowa State guys and Woody are all big upgrades in the passing game. With Kirk in there, that is a pretty solid 4 WR set, especially with Woody in the backfield.

A 3-tech DT would have been great. An interior pass rusher and a DE/OLB tweener to take advantage of Anderson and Hunter would have been sweet.

This for sure gave their franchise QB a bunch of weapons. I was pissed at the trade down originally, because I thought it cost them both a WR and Conerly. Glad that worked out
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I considered them getting another edge rusher like Jack Sawyer who would be a big culture fit type, but overall they seem to be plenty happy with Hunter and Anderson as starters, Barnett and Taylor as backups, and Horton as a developmental guy. Autry can also do some work on the edge.

Overall without cutting one of those guys a new edge never made much sense even though I could see some value to it.

Interior would have been a go to spot but none of the guys I wanted were ever really in spots where they were either available or worth taking.
 
leebigeztx said:
Where? He's not a guard
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Depending on if they decide to use Howard at LG then he will probably fight it out with Fisher at RT. I could definitely see Ersery beating out Fisher. Stoots said Caserio thinks he can play LG.

I wouldn't mind if healthy an OL like this,

Robinson/Howard/Patterson/Brown/Ersery.

With all of that beef I'll bet you they can run the ball better.
 
steelbtexan said:
Depending on if they decide to use Howard at LG then he will probably fight it out with Fisher at RT. I could definitely see Ersery beating out Fisher. Stoots said Caserio thinks he can play LG.

I wouldn't mind if healthy an OL like this,

Robinson/Howard/Patterson/Brown/Ersery.

With all of that beef I'll bet you they can run the ball better.
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If he beats out Fisher, then Fisher is a mistake. One of thr biggest mistakes they have made is moving Howard from rt to lg. Not only a change of sides, but a stance change. He's a LT from what I see. Moving him inside is a recipe for disaster to me. Brandon Sherrif is still out there also.
 
leebigeztx said:
If he beats out Fisher, then Fisher is a mistake. One of thr biggest mistakes they have made is moving Howard from rt to lg. Not only a change of sides, but a stance change. He's a LT from what I see. Moving him inside is a recipe for disaster to me. Brandon Sherrif is still out there also.
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Let the best man win across the board . Forget about where guys were drafted and put the best players on the field. Same goes with Scruggs.
 
leebigeztx said:
0 starters except maybe at wr partially. A qb and a slow rb doesn't do it for me
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Not at all familiar with Marks so I watch posted vids of him. He looks pretty shifty without losing speed. And he had a lot better 40 time than Arian Foster. It’s going to come down to how he is used. I just feel like his skill sets can be a big key to this offense. For me there is nothing more irritating than a FB that keeps making you pay. Defenses want to ignore those guys but hopefully he can freeze a blitz.
 
leebigeztx said:
If he beats out Fisher, then Fisher is a mistake. One of thr biggest mistakes they have made is moving Howard from rt to lg. Not only a change of sides, but a stance change. He's a LT from what I see. Moving him inside is a recipe for disaster to me. Brandon Sherrif is still out there also.
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I definitely agree with Howard being that left tackle but he did look a bit better as the season ended at left guard.
 
leebigeztx said:
If he beats out Fisher, then Fisher is a mistake. One of thr biggest mistakes they have made is moving Howard from rt to lg. Not only a change of sides, but a stance change. He's a LT from what I see. Moving him inside is a recipe for disaster to me. Brandon Sherrif is still out there also.
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I think we're going to find out if you're right. Howard is an avg player that's way overpaid. Doesn't matter what side/stance etc.. he's on. Finally they say he's in the best shape of his career. I guess a little competition is a good thing.
 
House of Pain said:
It's pretty obvious that the Texans feel better about the players they have in the building for OL as opposed to drafting more IOLs. And they definitely did not feel this way about the WR room. This speaks volumes about what they think about Metchie and Hutchinson. The picks tell me those guys are on the chopping block and very unlikely to make the team.

We won't know how good this draft is/was until a couple of years from now, but I can't fault them for their vision and the plan they executed. Doesn't look like they overdrafted anyone with the exception of Marks, but I don't really have an issue with it if he's the guy they thought would fit their offense. IMO don't really have an issue with overdrafting players unless it's in round 1 or 2.
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Upon hearing NC talk about Hutchinson several times at his press conference, I would now assume that Metchie is going to be the odd man out, or potentially dumped in a Kenyon Green type swap.
 
House of Pain said:
Upon hearing NC talk about Hutchinson several times at his press conference, I would now assume that Metchie is going to be the odd man out, or potentially dumped in a Kenyon Green type swap.
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X has the inside track to stick because he's good at ST. If Metchie plays ST, I never noticed him. So even if they consider Metchie a slightly better WR, he doesn't give you as much value as the 5th or 6th WR on the roster.
 
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