I get what you're saying, do you realize that last yr the Rams C Limmer was an UDFA rookie? Havenstein hurt his knee, Noteboom got hurt.
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Texans Hire Nick Caley as New OC
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BS, I never said if CJ doesn't win a SB this yr then he's a disappointment. I said Stafford won a SB in his 1st yr and IF CJ is a top 5 QB with this defense he should be able to win a SB. If he doesn't depending on how he plays then he may or may not win a SB. However if CJ's playing like a top 5 QB with the Texans defense they should be as good as anybody in the AFC. I mean they should've beaten the Chiefs last yr.When have I said CJ is a top 5 QB? He’s a young QB and damn good but i’ve never mentioned top 5.
But you have said if he doesn’t win a Super Bowl like Stafford his first year in a new system then it’s a disappointment.
You’ve also blamed every player except Tunsil for his false starts and not being a plus run blocker. CJ got plenty of blame from you for the offense this past season, and yes he did share some blame as did everybody part of that. But where was the blame for Tunsil? Just excuses from the man who proclaims no excuses.
Use that same critical lens to judge all the players the same if that’s the route you want to go. Or lighten up a bit on your criticism… even if the player might have Nigerian doctor parents
As far as Tunsil's false starts go, 1st I dont consider false starts to be a big deal. Look at the Chiefs Taylor as an example, he didn't hold them back. But look at the Tunsil false starts while Scruggs was the starting C vs when Patterson was the starting center as a reference point. Howard said as much that Scruggs was an issue for him. I certainly didn't blame anybody else for his false starts.. As far as Tunsil's run blocking goes was a great at it no, but tell me this what did you think of Green's play and being honest could anbody have looked good playing next to Green?
Yes I did put some blame on CJ (He would tell you he deserved some) as well as Slowik and the OL. It was shared equally IMHO and we can agree to disagree about how the blame should've been spread around.
I'll take my chance on a Nigerianless team after the oKoYe experience.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Stafford broke Schaub pick 6 record and still won the sb. Not only that it was what year 13 or so?
I'm not following what you're saying, but I think you're saying if CJ has a top 5 QB season and plays well for 4 games in the playoffs the Texans with health can win a SB?
Was that the consecutive games throwing a pick 6 record?
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
You stated Stafford played well in Caley system with the Rams and won a sb. I merely stated he was in yr 13 and also broke the record for most pick 6s in a season by a qb. Hell, if the db catches the air mail he threw, they don't even go to the superbowl.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
For a season
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Problem is your analysis of things tends to be uneven or heavily biased towards some irrelevant aspect of the said player. you’re the king of using half-truths and incomplete analyses to make your case. All “facts” aren’t on the same level.
For instance..above you cite that CJ was part of the problem with the offense last year and that the o-line was as well….which are all facts, but c’mon bro, we all watched them last year. Percentage wise, CJ’s issues probably contributed 10-15% to the offensive dysfunction. The vast majority of why that dysfunction was happening belongs squarely on the shoulders of the o-line play…..with the coaching being an immediate 2nd to that.
Thing is, you know this..but you insist on not acknowledging this type of stuff& trying to look at it all on the same level so as to stick with whatever narrative du jour you’ve come up with.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
You’re inconsistent bro. DW4 had a top 5 QB season his last full year here and you basically said he sucked…b/c he couldn’t will a **** team to the SB ignoring the BoB factor…
Texansballer74
The Marine
IMO the major problem that ballooned to an even bigger issue: was running Green out there for way too long. By the time they benched him the damage was done. CJ’s timing and confidence was destroyed. I would throw in Mason terrible play as well.
We all seen this and so did SB but the problem is he refuses to address that known fact. That’s why he throws the excuses thingy around so freely. Plus add in the fact that he didn’t want CJ here in the first place. That’s why he was attempting to tarnish this kids name/character before we drafted him.
Another thing, dude tried so hard to make everyone on here believe CJ was calling the shots. Also said he wasn’t listening to his college OC, therefore he wasn’t listening to Slowik.
But I digress because as long as CJ is our QB, certain members will continue to find ways to ridicule him.
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Wrong , I never thought the Pervert was as good as you did. I thought BOB made him look better than what he was. At no time did I think he was a top 5 QB, I thought he was a stat padder.
I believe CJ has the ability to become a top 5 QB at some point in his career.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yeah..even when he was single-handedly winning us playoff games despite BoB’s shitty playcalling efforts…& overall shitty personnel moves. But never mind that getting in the way of your narrative you had formulated b/c of something a completely different Clemson player did that you didn’t like..
.If anything it was the other way around. Bob got a few extra years & more power than he deserved b/c DW4 was the main factor in winning more games than BoB developed teams should’ve.
After the Hoyerable fiasco…The Osweiler debacle…Bob should’ve been sent packing. DW4 extended his stay here b/c he was playing that well.
How did the perverts career turnout without BOB?Yeah..even when he was single-handedly winning us playoff games despite BoB’s shitty playcalling efforts…& overall shitty personnel moves. But never mind that getting in the way of your narrative you had formulated b/c of something a completely different Clemson player did that you didn’t like..
If anything it was the other way around. Bob got a few extra years & more power than he deserved b/c DW4 was the main factor in winning more games than BoB developed teams should’ve.
After the Hoyerable fiasco…The Osweiler debacle…Bob should’ve been sent packing. DW4 extended his stay here b/c he was playing that well.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Same way BoB’s did
I'm just glaf the Browns saw the Pervert in the same light you do.
Thing is I don't know what percentage of fault there was and I'm ready to move on. This year should be very telling.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
As far as his play on the field, pretty much Everyone did..Cleveland wasn’t the only team in on the sweepstakes to land him they were just the 1 who paid up.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Naw, U just don’t wanna acknowledge what everyone who watched them knows. What Nick and co. Have already Acknowledged thru personnel and coaching moves.
Not everyone, I tried to tell you.
Bottom line is the Texans came out better in the long run. You know how I look at the QB position, I would be looking for the next QB in 4 years because I don't believe a QB can win a SB because of cap space on his 2nd contract. Agree to disagree and I'm fine with the way you think about the QB position.
Every 7-8 yrs I would change out the QB position unless my QB was proven to be like Brady
This is where a certain degree of luck comes in
Do you think if they invest heavily on the offensive side of the ball and CJ plays as well as we think he will that this team can win a SB even if they add nothing to the defense in the draft?
Wrong, I will admit my eval was wrong. Just because I thought he was was part of the problem last year doesn't mean he can't become a top 5 QB.
You guys.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Brady and the Patriots won Super Bowls in 2002, 2004, 2005, 2015, 2017, 2019.
Notice that there was a 10-year gap between Brady's 3rd and 4th SB wins. He won his 4th at 38 years old. A case can be made that he was more of a game manager in the first two SB wins. So, based on your logic, you would have traded Brady before the 2015 to 2019 SB wins. Because he was not the QB you are fondly remembering. Shoot, in 2014-2015, you probably would have traded Brady and given the job to Garoppolo.
When you make QB comparisons, you seem to purposely ignore age, experience and even the surrounding talent. My point is I doubt you would have kept Brady around for 10 years without a Super Bowl win. Stop setting the kid up to disappoint you.
Yes I would have and I would have been wrong. There's only one GOAT. I would rather take my chances.
cland
Rookie
...whilst throwing for 4,886 yds, 41 TD, 17 INTs, for 102.9 passer rating.
I expect something close to this for CJ if weapons are added.
I disagree. He let the pressure get to him where he was reacting too early to pressure that wasn't there, or he ran into pressure.
I'm not saying he was 51% of the problem but he was a bigger part of the problem than many want to admit.
S2roud until proven different.
Because people don't dump a third year QB they drafted with the 2nd overall pick.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Brees wasn't a HOF QB his first 3 years in SD.. He was considered a bust/disappointment there until he was traded to NOLA and allowed to be the QB he became. We'll see what happens here. That said, I like having a QB eager to take control of the reigns. Having that ability can turn a unsuccessful playcall into a successful outcome.
It's a big year for Stroud in year 3 and I'll give him the space to prove himself, because frankly I didn't like Slowik either and last year he looked completely in over his head, like he was drowning.
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Number19
Hall of Fame
Your position on the QB position is based around the cap. But wasn't Brady helping the team out by renegotiating his contracts to make them more cap friendly? I seem to remember thinking at the time that Brady was rather unique in the way he was putting the team first.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Stroud needs to fire his agent and hire Andre's Uncle, that guy was a fantastic negotiator..
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Phantom pressure…yes, That happens to even the best qbs when they’re being hit more often than they should be….b/c your o-line is sucking.
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TheRealJoker V2
Veteran
Yep. His season-long pressure percentage I believe was near Mahomes’ pressure percentage in the Super Bowl. Pressure creates bad decisions, doesn’t matter who you are.
This is what separates the best from the rest. Unfortunately S2roud's performance, due to actual pressure (I'm not denying it), was lacking. It was far below where I hoped it would be, especially for a pocket passer.
Exactly
Brady was unique.. he was the only one to have a wife making more than him, more than they would ever spend
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
No QB is immune to this man. Saw Brady ducking phantom pressure & ghosts plenty of times until his pass protection improved later in games and he was able to relax and be him. That improvement from the o-line/coaching never happened this past year for Stroud and as a result we kept on seeing him do some of the same things throughout the year. Bottom line is you need relatively clean pockets consistently to play the position and CJ never quite got to enjoy that in his 2nd year. hopefully the change in coaching and personnel helps.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Andre's Uncle did not get him a better contract than DeShaun Watson's agent got him.
Ok, comparing CJ to Brady vs pressure. LMAO
Wecan only hope CJ becomes as close to Brady as possible in decision making/accuracy when facing pressure.
TexanBorn51
All Pro
C.J. Stroud said that he’ll be “taking full ownership, running the show” at quarterback this year.
He added that he appreciates that Nick Caley is “giving him that trust already.” It was clear that the Texans had major schematic issues with protections last year and we know that former OC Bobby Slowik had some responsibilities for the center to point to last season. Stroud said that taking control of the “pre-snap” and “having tools to put my guys in the best position” was “something we didn’t really work on the last two years.” Perhaps being in full control of the offense this year will help reduce Stroud’s sack rate in 2025 despite the loss of Laremy Tunsil.
Apr 21, 2025, 1:16 PM CDT
Source: DJ Bien-Aime
He added that he appreciates that Nick Caley is “giving him that trust already.” It was clear that the Texans had major schematic issues with protections last year and we know that former OC Bobby Slowik had some responsibilities for the center to point to last season. Stroud said that taking control of the “pre-snap” and “having tools to put my guys in the best position” was “something we didn’t really work on the last two years.” Perhaps being in full control of the offense this year will help reduce Stroud’s sack rate in 2025 despite the loss of Laremy Tunsil.
Apr 21, 2025, 1:16 PM CDT
Source: DJ Bien-Aime
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yeah..................... so you're in here trying to hold a 3rd year QB to the standard of the GOAT and other HoF QB's who had already been in the league for a decade plus........ then surely he can be compared to them when talking about how they've dealt with comparable levels of pressure right?..& its the same result. forced mistakes, and ducking ghosts of pressure.
I'm not the poster comparing Brady to CJ when it comes to facing pressure and would you say it's wrong to hope CJ could become as good against pressure as Brady was? It seems as though anything I say about CJ you take as me being critical of CJ. That's not the case, as a Texans fan I hope he can become as good as Brady when facing pressure, why? because if he can there will be multiple Lombardi's down on Kirby.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
You can't look at the end result and act like that's the only thing that matters man. Brady wasn't the Brady we know today at the start of his career...It took him years and alot of other key factors for him to become what he became..Same for Brees..Stafford had to change teams to achieve that lombardi. So if you want CJ, or any other QB that dons the Texans uni to be as successful as Brady/Brees/Stafford...whomever............ They have to be given not just the lattitude but also the personnel & most importantly the time to become that successful b/c what a guy like Mahomes was able to do early in his career, that ain't the norm.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Exactly and they should know this already.
The end result is all that matters. BTW, didn't Brady lead his team to a last minute drive to win a SB in yr 3? His team was double digit underdogs. He's the GOAT and all should be measured by his accomplishments. We can only hope CJ becomes as good as Brady was by yr 3. Also Brady in yr 3 didn't have the freedom that CJ will have next yr.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Dude stop it, u sound ridiculous. Brady year 1 was riding the pine. Brady year 2 would’ve still been riding the pine if Bledsoe didn’t get hurt. Furthermore Brady doesn’t even get a chance to lead a last minute drive in the SB in year 2 if Bledsoe doesn’t 1st lead them to victory in the AFCCG that 1st SB run…Brady got knocked out of that game early against the Steelers in the 2nd qtr. Then it took another Belichick critical decision to continue to go with Brady instead of going back to Bledsoe (a guy who’d already led the pats to a SB) for Brady to have that opportunity in the SB in year 2. Year 3…..Brady didn’t lead anyone anywhere as that was the 1 year in his career his pats missed the playoffs. The stats also show that he was more of a game manager during those years. We won’t even get into the Adam Vinatieri factor…or the Belichick defenses.
So To act like NONE of that mattered to TB12’s early success and it was just his greatness shining through is asinine. If even 1 of those variables is changed, he probably doesn’t have 7 rings.
So results dont matter in your world? Got it, moving on, I've done way too much typing on this subject. As of right now CJ has a long way to go to become yr 3 Brady. Hopefully he gets there. He's got the talent.
Are Ryans defenses as good as Belichick's defenses? Yes they had a great kicker and yes, Brady's greatnees shined through at the brightest of moments and for you to say otherwise is what's truly asinine. They call him the GOAT for a reason.
I can't remember any of the top QBs being affected like Stroud. One or two games maybe. This looked more like regression from the 2nd year QB.
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