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2025 Free Agency-

Porky said:
What do we think about Darby guys? I remember when he came out I liked him. 2nd rounder at the time. Now 31. Has he lost a step?

Considering the dough and the fact that he's actually been a pretty good player in his career, I see this as a significant upgrade over last year's slim pickings.

I'd still consider adding a corner on day 3 with some kind of ST ability. That would make the corner room look like this:

Derek Stingley
Kamari Lassiter
Ronald Darby
Tremon Smith
Rookie to be named
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Darby is an upgrade over Okudah for top reserve CB off the bench. A proven vet who has started for several good teams. That being said, I don’t want him playing much because that’d mean Stingley or Lassiter are out.
 
Porky said:
What do we think about Darby guys? I remember when he came out I liked him. 2nd rounder at the time. Now 31. Has he lost a step?

Considering the dough and the fact that he's actually been a pretty good player in his career, I see this as a significant upgrade over last year's slim pickings.

I'd still consider adding a corner on day 3 with some kind of ST ability. That would make the corner room look like this:

Derek Stingley
Kamari Lassiter
Ronald Darby
Tremon Smith
Rookie to be named
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i don’t want Okudah out there so he has to be an upgrade of some kind. He’s been in the league for a few years and still is able to latch onto teams so he should be ok as a CB backup.
 
2024: Darby 46 combined tackle with 9 passes successfully defended in 12 starts. Serious injuries all on one side and nothing since 2022's acl.

2.5 million good deal if stats equal 2024. I think with Jags he probably got his five and a half million guaranteed in his 2024 season and this year was NGTD.


In high school he was a world class Sprinter and even at his age probably can still truck when he has to.

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cland said:
He was pretty miserable at Jacksonville, so I look at him as depth alone. The fact that he got all but vet-min should probably tell us his value, and I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't make the final roster.
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This years Henderson, Okudah.

I'm pretty sure Caserio will add another CB in fa and the draft. Petrie is still the nickel right now.

This defense is deep and good.
 
steelbtexan said:
Exactly, finally Caserio has the people he wants in place to build an offense that he's wanted from the beginning. Don't forget that he used to be the QB at John Carrol and the people he has in place are the guys that share his vision. Although I disagree with the Tunsil movie at this time. These are exciting times to see if Caserio can build up the offense in short order to rival Ryan's guys. If he's able to do this then finally this team will be a championship contender
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All this tells me is what I 1st suspected. If Ryans wouldn't have made it public about coming back to Houston, Caserio was going to hire Mayo.
 
Errant Hothy said:
Take CB3 off of the draft needs list, at least of the early rounds

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901732527556919600
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Darby was horrific with the Jags last season. A 120 passer rating when targeted, 69% completion rate. Prior to that, Darby has been pretty solid. Was last year an aberration or has Darby fallen off the cliff heading into his 11th season? I don't think I would write Darby in at CB3 with ink.
 
Lucky said:
Darby was horrific with the Jags last season. A 120 passer rating when targeted, 69% completion rate. Prior to that, Darby has been pretty solid. Was last year an aberration or has Darby fallen off the cliff heading into his 11th season? I don't think I would write Darby in at CB3 with ink.
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My thinking is he at least has a track record of success, unlike Henderson and Okudah. It's a low price to kick the tires. It would be nice to have a draft prospect to develop behind Sting and Lass.
 
BullRushTX said:
My thinking is he at least has a track record of success, unlike Henderson and Okudah. It's a low price to kick the tires. It would be nice to have a draft prospect to develop behind Sting and Lass.
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yep...since most of the league starts three corners (we are cheating with Pitre) the top reserve is generally no better than NFL CB100 (team CB 4) with limitation of some sort...This year we are trying squeeze that last bit of juice of Darby versus fix the talented young dudes. The probable out come is the same...yuck (might better with with special teamer listed as CB playing that role)
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
The probable out come is the same...yuck (might better with with special teamer listed as CB playing that role)
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What's funny to me is I always thought Tremon Smith showed some promise at CB during his two years in Houston. Denver signed Smith in 2023 and he was special teams only. Smith has good size, speed, and quickness. 28 is old for a developmental player, but I would give this guy a shot in OTAs and camps to show what he can do at CB.
 
leebigeztx said:
All this tells me is what I 1st suspected. If Ryans wouldn't have made it public about coming back to Houston, Caserio was going to hire Mayo.
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Flores or Gannon were guys he was looking at IMHO. But if you're right they dodged a bullet not hiring Mayo. Mayo was always the HC in waiting after Belichick IMHO.
 
Lucky said:
Darby was horrific with the Jags last season. A 120 passer rating when targeted, 69% completion rate. Prior to that, Darby has been pretty solid. Was last year an aberration or has Darby fallen off the cliff heading into his 11th season? I don't think I would write Darby in at CB3 with ink.
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Between the safeties and Pitre, CB3 probably won't see the field till the coverage is in quarters and I think Darby can handle that roll. Guy is also several steps better than whatever we rolled out at that spot last year, looking at you Mr. Okudah. This is an upgrade from absolute trash to league average.

PFF Coverage grades in 24 (yes, I know PFF is what it is)
Okudah - 29.3
Darby - 59.3

Also I still think they'll draft someone to play in the secondary, they always do; but this signing means you can do that later in the draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
Flores or Gannon were guys he was looking at IMHO. But if you're right they dodged a bullet not hiring Mayo. Mayo was always the HC in waiting after Belichick IMHO.
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I’m glad Cal and Nick didn’t cave to the fake oppressed crowd bashing the organization because Mayo is trash. I was sick of the “activists” claiming the “Texans wuz racist” after firing Culley and Lovie. I don’t even want to imagine the nightmare that would’ve been after firing Mayo soon thereafter!
 
Lucky said:
I think CB has to wait until Day 3. Defense, period. Day 1 and Day 2 are about O-line and getting a couple more weapons for the offense.
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I’d rather go RB on day 3 if there’s a good one still there. BUT, if there’s a good CB available while we’re on the clock then I won’t be upset if both Nick and Demeco think they have their CB of the future right there waiting to be scooped up.
 
If those first four picks are T, WR, G, and TE, that would make me a happy camper.

DT is the only defensive position I'd be ok with in the top 3 rounds. I know they have some guys but they need a young gun to work in.

After the top 3 rounds...yes, corner, DT, and LB are all good possibilities, along with RB.
 
Porky said:
If those first four picks are T, WR, G, and TE, that would make me a happy camper.

DT is the only defensive position I'd be ok with in the top 3 rounds. I know they have some guys but they need a young gun to work in.

After the top 3 rounds...yes, corner, DT, and LB are all good possibilities, along with RB.
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I believe my last Mock on steelb’s 3.0 #34 would answer your post.

I did pass on a TE b/c WR-Jayden Higgins was available in RD2 and RB- TreyVeon Henderson was there in RD3. These guys would be tremendous assets to put on the offense.

I think there will be some interesting TE’s that fall through the cracks as UDFA’s.
 
House of Pain said:
I wanted to echo Porky's sentiment as to the "chicken littles" overreacting about Tunsil getting dealt. I found an old post from last year that was similar. It seems like the line as a whole has played better when the "big names" weren't on the field. I know it's a small sample size and just anecdotal, but I think we may be dealing with an additional by subtraction situation.

Howard jocked Tunsil to an absurd level so much in which he was "sick" over his departure. Outside of my speculation into Howard's sexual proclivities, Tunsil was emulated by at least one of the other OLmen to not work hard or be accountable. I think the Laken signing has more to do with bringing in a vet that, despite his average to below average play, stays on the field (has only missed one game in 10 years). I wouldn't mind another signing to see if we can instill some of that SWARM on offense that we see everywhere on defense.

On paper and from a pure individual talent level, I think that we won't be able to bring in a player that matches Tunsil's talent. However, I think that the OL will play much better, assuming the coaches on the staff know what they're doing.
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We're going to find out if Tunsil was the lazy old pot smoking POS Porky thinks he is, or if he's a top tier LT that was brought down by having guys like Green, Scharping, Britt, Scruggs, Martin around him. Look at how many of the guys I listed that are either out of the league or backup level players at best.

I've got a feeling that the ol will look something like this next year.

Banks, Howard, Patterson Scruggs, Fisher

With Tomlinson, Ingram in reserve.

What I hope the ol doesn't look like is

Howard, Tomlinson, Patterson, Scruggs, Fisher, with Ingram in reserve
 
Porky said:
If those first four picks are T, WR, G, and TE, that would make me a happy camper.

DT is the only defensive position I'd be ok with in the top 3 rounds. I know they have some guys but they need a young gun to work in.

After the top 3 rounds...yes, corner, DT, and LB are all good possibilities, along with RB.
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Drafting a DT would be drafting to the strength of the draft
 
My first 4 picks are: OT, OT, OT, and OT. I want to put them in a '300 style' warrior school and only the best 2 Spartans survive. The winner gets LT and 2nd place gets G. I also think it would good for Tytus & company to see the losers plummet in to the bottomless pit. (Yes, I know that's not how the movie really went, but this is my own fantasy.)
 
cland said:
My first 4 picks are: OT, OT, OT, and OT. I want to put them in a '300 style' warrior school and only the best 2 Spartans survive. The winner gets LT and 2nd place gets G. I also think it would good for Tytus & company to see the losers plummet in to the bottomless pit. (Yes, I know that's not how the movie really went, but this is my own fantasy.)
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I'm on board with this.
 
steelbtexan said:
We're going to find out if Tunsil was the lazy old pot smoking POS Porky thinks he is, or if he's a top tier LT that was brought down by having guys like Green, Scharping, Britt, Scruggs, Martin around him. Look at how many of the guys I listed that are either out of the league or backup level players at best.

I've got a feeling that the ol will look something like this next year.

Banks, Howard, Patterson Scruggs, Fisher

With Tomlinson, Ingram in reserve.

What I hope the ol doesn't look like is

Howard, Tomlinson, Patterson, Scruggs, Fisher, with Ingram in reserve
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My I think I think but can't yet prove is the Texans are way more comfortable with Howard (college LT) and Fisher (2nd rounder) at tackle than anybody else in the universe.
 
steelbtexan said:
We're going to find out if Tunsil was the lazy old pot smoking POS Porky thinks he is, or if he's a top tier LT that was brought down by having guys like Green, Scharping, Britt, Scruggs, Martin around him. Look at how many of the guys I listed that are either out of the league or backup level players at best.

I've got a feeling that the ol will look something like this next year.

Banks, Howard, Patterson Scruggs, Fisher

With Tomlinson, Ingram in reserve.

What I hope the ol doesn't look like is

Howard, Tomlinson, Patterson, Scruggs, Fisher, with Ingram in reserve
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Now that Tunsil is in Washington, he says he is going to work on lowering his penalties... Just as he said in 2022 and 2020. You have to love his consistency and dedication!
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
My I think I think but can't yet prove is the Texans are way more comfortable with Howard (college LT) and Fisher (2nd rounder) at tackle than anybody else in the universe.
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Yep, and next yrs team likely will suck because of this line of thinking. To be successful CJ needs to be well protected This goes back to college. He's not Brady/Manning who gets rid of the ball quickly.
 
badboy said:
Now that Tunsil is in Washington, he says he is going to work on lowering his penalties... Just as he said in 2022 and 2020. You have to love his consistency and dedication!
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Of course y'all are setting the narrative up where if he does well he cares more with the Redskins than he cared with the Texans. It couldn't possibly be because he's playing around better/smarter players with better coaching in Washington. Nope he just cares more in Washington. LMAO
 
First, why would Nick hold onto Howard in 2025 when Tunsil was already under contract?

Howard sucks arse no matter where he lines up on the OL. He’s a liability.

IMHO, if Donovan Jackson is on the board at 25…..hands down, he’s the best pick in RD1.

I’m still using 2 more picks on true OT’s b/c if Nick gets what he wants in regards to OL personnel….that makes Howard expendable after June 1st.
 
steelbtexan said:
Of course y'all are setting the narrative up where if he does well he cares more with the Redskins than he cared with the Texans. It couldn't possibly be because he's playing around better/smarter players with better coaching in Washington. Nope he just cares more in Washington. LMAO
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The only thing that my post suggests is that he kept saying he was going to concentrate on stopping the penalties and he did not. Hopefully he will in Washington. I am certain you will be watching your adopted son on the Commanders and keep us informed of his progress.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
First, why would Nick hold onto Howard in 2025 when Tunsil was already under contract?

Howard sucks arse no matter where he lines up on the OL. He’s a liability.

IMHO, if Donovan Jackson is on the board at 25…..hands down, he’s the best pick in RD1.

I’m still using 2 more picks on true OT’s b/c if Nick gets what he wants in regards to OL personnel….that makes Howard expendable after June 1st.
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I think the Nicks like what they saw on Game film at the end of the season with Howard at left guard and Fisher at Right Tackle.They're thinking seems to be that moving Tytus back to his college position of left tackle will allow him to improve even more. Of course, our new offensive line coach is saying "yes boss!"
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badboy said:
The only thing that my post suggests is that he kept saying he was going to concentrate on stopping the penalties and he did not. Hopefully he will in Washington. I am certain you will be watching your adopted son on the Commanders and keep us informed of his progress.
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What?

Just because I pointed out that most of Tunsil's false starts happened with Scruggs at C and stopped when Patterson became the C, then pointed out the crap OG's he's played with make him my adopted son? LMAO, I apologize that the facts I provided touched a nerve. It's like you want Tunsil to fail, so that you can say that you were right. I dont root for players to fail, with one exception. Derrick.
 
badboy said:
I think the Nicks like what they saw on Game film at the end of the season with Howard at left guard and Fisher at Right Guard. They're thinking seems to be that moving Tytus back to his college position of left tackle will allow him to improve even more. Of course, our new offensive line coach is saying "yes boss!"
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Fisher played RG?
 
steelbtexan said:
What?

Just because I pointed out that most of Tunsil's false starts happened with Scruggs at C and stopped when Patterson became the C, then pointed out the crap OG's he's played with make him my adopted son? LMAO, I apologize that the facts I provided touched a nerve. It's like you want Tunsil to fail, so that you can say that you were right. I dont root for players to fail, with one exception. Derrick.
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No, for years you have been very adamant defending every single move that Tunsil has made regardless of what anybody else said: penalties; work ethic; leadership, etc.
You basically said I was insane for creating trade possibilities to better team claiming I just wanted to get rid of him. My mistake was under valuing his worth. That's on me. His act of throwing his Center under the bus because of communication issues despite no other player on the line having those issues. Then your repeated defense for his ridiculous penalties.
He has history of false starts yearly regardless of who Center was.
You repitiously said he wouldn't be traded and then he was. And then you went into trust the process mode.
Others see this and call you on it but you crab scuttle away.

He's gone.
 
badboy said:
No, for years you have been very adamant defending every single move that Tunsil has made regardless of what anybody else said: penalties; work ethic; leadership, etc.
You basically said I was insane for creating trade possibilities to better team claiming I just wanted to get rid of him. My mistake was under valuing his worth. That's on me. His act of throwing his Center under the bus because of communication issues despite no other player on the line having those issues. Then your repeated defense for his ridiculous penalties.
He has history of false starts yearly regardless of who Center was.
You repitiously said he wouldn't be traded and then he was. And then you went into trust the process mode.
Others see this and call you on it but you crab scuttle away.

He's gone.
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Yes I thought that Caserio would trade him in the 2026 offseason. I should've known that Caserio comes from the Belichick school of trading a player a yr early instead of a yr late.

As far as the false starts go, I stated fact. deal with it.

It remains to be seen if the team will be better.

When have I ever crab scuttled away (Whatever the heck that means) from anything. You're projecting. Sorry I hurt your feelings, now go make some more off the wall draft trades so you can further humor me.
 
Porky said:
If those first four picks are T, WR, G, and TE, that would make me a happy camper.

DT is the only defensive position I'd be ok with in the top 3 rounds. I know they have some guys but they need a young gun to work in.

After the top 3 rounds...yes, corner, DT, and LB are all good possibilities, along with RB.
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I respectfully disagree. The strength of this draft is the DT's. This maybe the best DT draft ever. You can get a DT in this draft in the 2nd, that would have been a top ten pick in any other draft. I just think you cannot ignore the best player available, and in this draft the BPA is almost sure to be a DT.

I would get a Olinemen with my 1st pick (which I would make in the second by trading back) and then see what the draft gives you.
 
EllisUnit said:
Didn't Howard play really well at LT not to long ago when Tunsil was hurt? If I remember correctly he looked and played the position really well.
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Per the two best inside sources in the local media, Alexander and Wilson, Texans plan to start Howard at LT and Fisher at RT. They are only looking for a swing tackle or maybe two via either FA and/or draft. Draft would be mor of a mid round pick. Like it or not…these guys are convinced that is the plan. Howard and Fisher is a near done deal.
 
AggiebyMarriage said:
I respectfully disagree. The strength of this draft is the DT's. This maybe the best DT draft ever. You can get a DT in this draft in the 2nd, that would have been a top ten pick in any other draft. I just think you cannot ignore the best player available, and in this draft the BPA is almost sure to be a DT.

I would get a Olinemen with my 1st pick (which I would make in the second by trading back) and then see what the draft gives you.
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I am totally down with a bad ass DT. In fact, my first two mocks, i had DT’s as high as 25. So no worries my friend, drafting into strength is fine by me! Good discussion.
 
The plan is to draft a guard who can push to start at RG, and a swing tackle to be the primary backup and possibly push to start in 26 in a best case. Other than that, they aren't doing ****.

Considering the total **** show of last season, is that enough? Y'all be the judge. Discuss. I'm verklempt.
 
Porky said:
The plan is to draft a guard who can push to start at RG, and a swing tackle to be the primary backup and possibly push to start in 26 in a best case. Other than that, they aren't doing ****.

Considering the total **** show of last season, is that enough? Y'all be the judge. Discuss. I'm verklempt.
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The offensive line still needs fixing. Free agency? Draft? Trade? Whatever, it needs ******* fixing if the Texans plan on getting past the divisional round.
 
cland said:
My first 4 picks are: OT, OT, OT, and OT. I want to put them in a '300 style' warrior school and only the best 2 Spartans survive. The winner gets LT and 2nd place gets G. I also think it would good for Tytus & company to see the losers plummet in to the bottomless pit. (Yes, I know that's not how the movie really went, but this is my own fantasy.)
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Kelvin Banks Jr (LT)
Wyatt Milum (LG)

Talk about a wet dream.
:drool:
 
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