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Game day: Week 17- Texans vs Ravens

Hervoyel said:
The Lions lose stars and get stronger. The Chiefs lose starts and get stronger. Tank isn't even a star. He's like the mascot or something. Without more dangerous targets on the field Tank makes no impression on anyone. I mean maybe he's a really great guy and all but if the Texans can't move on after that then the list of things wrong with them just got a lot longer
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I agree. I think that list did get longer.
 
Earl34 said:
I was expecting this defensive performance. Even when Pitre was healthy and playing. When Ward is out, there is a noticeable drop in the defensive performance. DeMeco and Caserio, have the work cut out for them this offseason.
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I noticed Harris doesn’t have the same burst nor the same instinct right now. Last season dude was blowing skit up with his instinct and quickness.
 
Hervoyel said:
The Lions lose stars and get stronger. The Chiefs lose starts and get stronger. Tank isn't even a star. He's like the mascot or something. Without more dangerous targets on the field Tank makes no impression on anyone. I mean maybe he's a really great guy and all but if the Texans can't move on after that then the list of things wrong with them just got a lot longer
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We lost other players and it didn't have a major downward effect. Just the same for whatever reason at a time when we should be reaching our peak we have seriously regressed. This game showcased a team that was off in a big way. We have competed and lost close games to several good teams so why we got lit up like a dumpster fire is anybody's guess! We are a better team even with all the issues we have had than we showed today. None the less this team will be one and done in the playoffs. Heck, we will be lucky to beat the lowly Titans to end the season!
 
I think this game was a correction like you see in the market. We won the division but need to realize where our weaknesses are and fix as many as we can this off season. For me and some others, we are still in year two of a rebuild.

Injuries may not be anyone's fault however we are not deep enough to make up for those starters. At least not this year. After losing Stefon Diggs, I knew we would need at least one starter at wide receiver. Now, we may need to replace not only Tank Dell but Woods, Hutchinson and John Metchie.

I never want to have another opportunity to draft a player like Brian Thomas and then pass on him.
 
Hervoyel said:
Fair enough. Stroud should be angry about the direction things are headed. I read earlier in another post from someone that he says all the same things every week (and they're the right things) but nothing changes. That's textbook David Carr right there. Now we know why David was like that. Football was never his obsession. He knew what to say but ultimately the game was secondary to him to his family and his faith and I got no problem with that aside from the fact this is "professional" football and if you're not someone who is ready to give it your all maybe QB in the NFL isn't for you and it's disingenuous to be selling people tickets to watch you play it if you're not all in all day. With CJ I'm not sure what is going on but he's not changing or adapting or anything. He's just sitting there expecting it to happen.

Maybe Caleb Williams needed to give CJ a few words of wisdom back in week 2?
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Stroud running out of bounds behind the LOS (twice in two games now) is a protest statement against Slowik and the line. These aren't just lapses in thinking. He's known how to throw a ball away since high school. It's intentional.
 
Hervoyel said:
Once the knucklehead gets running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage in his tool bag I wash my hands of him. He looks exactly like David Carr to me right now. Who is CJ hitting in stride these days? Answer: Not much of anybody. Who's game gets better playing beside him? Again, nobody. They have a highly drafted QB standing on the fine line between being great and being just another guy who didn't pan out and what they are doing for him amounts to NFL malpractice. The offensive line is pathetic and it boils down to one guy who sets the standard for the entire thing. Tunsil. Talented like no one else and not an ounce of character or give a s*** in his entire body. That's the guy who is our best lineman. Does it make any sense to anyone why the others suck so much? They come here, see what Laremy gets paid and how he prepares and that's the effort we get from them. That's the effort the Texans paid for. I don't give a damn what the statistics say. The man is poison and there's a reason why he found his way to the one franchise stupid enough to take him off of the Dolphins hands. They need to tear it all down and start over IMO. You keep CJ, Mixon, Collins, Diggs if you can get him back here and maybe a couple of others and then go start hunting OL talent. Start at LT and fire sale all of them even if you only get 7's. They suck.
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I think you are a little tough on CJ…BUT 100% on point regarding Tunsil. I have made the same point over and over again, but most of the guys here just say he is out best lineman and isn’t the issue. I of course…beg to differ. I think he is the biggest issue from the player side. He might open a can of give a damn here or there, but most of the time he can’t be bothered. And he isn’t physical. As the general goes…so goes the trooops. It’s addition by subtraction. Take whatever you can get for him and count it as a win.
 
austins23 said:
DanielTx said:
If a math teacher doesn’t teach a student how to solve problems, should we expect the student to pass the final
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^^^^^^THIS^^^^^
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He was taught pretty well last yr but forgot all that he learned on summer vacation.

Truthfully, he got full of fame and celebrity. He forgot why he got the fame and celebrity to begin with.
 
Earl34 said:
DeMeco was here and saw Kubiak's mistake of hiring inexperienced DCs like Richard Smith and Frank Bush as DCs. Based on that experience alone, he should have hired an experienced OC or experienced offensive assistants to work with Slowik. I don't know why he hired Bill Lazor, Chris Strausser or even Jerrod Johnson. To my knowledge, none of them are from the Shanahan/Kubiak coaching tree or experienced in the intricacies of this offense.
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The WCO hasn't been all it's cracked up to be this yr across the NFL.
 
Hervoyel said:
If the same people start the rebuild next time I expect similar results. I already believe Caserio is a problem. He can go get what you ask him for but he's not good enough at his job to be able to tell the difference between s*** and Shinola.
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I don't agree. Caserio has hit on too many good players to make that assertion. Lets see how he does in next seasons draft before we can say he can't tell the difference between s*** and shinola. We had a tough schedule and a lot of us predicted we would be a 9-8 or 10-7 record team before the season started and now that we will finish no better than 10-7 we're disappointed and acting like we are a bottom 3 team? Yes there are some obvious issues that need to be addressed but it isn't like we sucked all season and there is nothing good to take from it. Next season many players and coaches jobs should be on the line. I think it is safe to say Slowik should lose his job at the end of this whole season unless a miracle happens and we win a championship or at least make a competitive playoff run. Everybody else from coaches to players need serious evaluation for their jobs during next season imo!
 
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Earl34 said:
DeMeco was here and saw Kubiak's mistake of hiring inexperienced DCs like Richard Smith and Frank Bush as DCs. Based on that experience alone, he should have hired an experienced OC or experienced offensive assistants to work with Slowik. I don't know why he hired Bill Lazor, Chris Strausser or even Jerrod Johnson. To my knowledge, none of them are from the Shanahan/Kubiak coaching tree or experienced in the intricacies of this offense.
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Johnson has direct Shanny experience but Jerrod does not have much experience overall as a coach.
 
Hervoyel said:
Once the knucklehead gets running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage in his tool bag I wash my hands of him. He looks exactly like David Carr to me right now. Who is CJ hitting in stride these days? Answer: Not much of anybody. Who's game gets better playing beside him? Again, nobody. They have a highly drafted QB standing on the fine line between being great and being just another guy who didn't pan out and what they are doing for him amounts to NFL malpractice. The offensive line is pathetic and it boils down to one guy who sets the standard for the entire thing. Tunsil. Talented like no one else and not an ounce of character or give a s*** in his entire body. That's the guy who is our best lineman. Does it make any sense to anyone why the others suck so much? They come here, see what Laremy gets paid and prepares and that's the effort we get. That's the effort the Texans paid for. I don't give a damn what the statistics say. The man is poison and there's a reason why he found his way to the one franchise stupid enough to take him off of the Dolphins hands. They need to tear it all down and start over IMO. You keep CJ, Mixon, Diggs if you can get him back here and maybe a couple of others and then go start hunting OL talent. Start at LT and fire sale all of them even if you only get 7's. They suck.
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Love the fire! One thing I'd say though is that Stroud got Nico and Dell to play great football when it was all clicking. How was Nico doing before Stroud
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I seem to remember the same repeated excuses made for our last "franchise" QB..............
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Once upon a time These same “excuses” were also made for Matt Stafford in Detroit, Josh Allen in his 1st and 2nd years…& even LJ8. Seemed to work out for those guys once those issues were credibly addressed. Sometimes those “excuses” aren’t excuses but legitimate issues and concerns.

The mere fact some of you actually think that/thought that this dude was going to be able to play like a 1st team all pro behind an o-line that has had issues all year keeping him upright while throwing to his 4th and 5th string WR’s just boggles my mind.

Fans of football in Texas get credited for being more knowledgeable about the game…judging from some of these posts, I seriously have to question why that is. Some really uneducated takes in here.
 
austins23 said:
I think some of it is…..
When I can tell my entire family on our first possession, “two runs up the middle will leave us in third and long”
Well what do you know….

Ravens have a crap secondary! I get CJ is not good this year but damn…. He’s had lots of time tonight at times. Why isn’t anyone open? Or why isn’t he throwing the damn ball!?
I don’t want another hero QB!
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He had people open, the throw he missed to Colins was a 20 yd gain if completed, followed by the very next play missing a 3 yd pass to Schultz who there was nobody within 30 yds of him. Then the start of the 2nd half the 1st two plays weren't runs up the middle like you're describing. Stroud missed an open Collins for what would've been a 20 yd gain and followed that up by making a terrible decision and getting picked. What's an OC supposed to do? BTW, when I was rating QB's last week, I had him around 20 and you disagreed with me. But he certainly didn't play like a top 20 QB today.
 
Mr teX said:
Once upon a time These same “excuses” were also made for Matt Stafford in Detroit, Josh Allen in his 1st and 2nd years…& even LJ8. Seemed to work out for those guys once those issues were credibly addressed. Sometimes those “excuses” aren’t excuses but legitimate issues.

The mere fact some of you actually think that this dude was going to be able to play like a 1st team all pro behind an o-line that has had issues all year keeping him upright while throwing to his 4th and 5th string WR’s just boggles my mind.
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What Franchise QB has never played behind a line with issues besides maybe Mahomes? And a lot of these sacks are self induced. There is absolutely NO excuse for continuing to run out of bounds behind the LOS. None.
 
Mr teX said:
Once upon a time These same “excuses” were also made for Matt Stafford in Detroit, Josh Allen in his 1st and 2nd years…& even LJ8. Seemed to work out for those guys once those issues were credibly addressed. Sometimes those “excuses” aren’t excuses but legitimate issues.

The mere fact some of you actually think that this dude was going to be able to play like a 1st team all pro behind an o-line that has had issues all year keeping him upright while throwing to his 4th and 5th string WR’s just boggles my mind.
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I didn't expect him to play like a 1st team guy. What I want to know is what happened to his accuracy? Today he was awful.
 
paycheck71 said:
PTSD from OL failures, IMO. That's the best I can think of... He's out of rhythm most of the time. Hard to make those easy passes sometimes when your confidence is shaken, you see ghosts pressuring you, etc, etc, etc.
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Excuses. You don’t get those if you expect to be the highest paid QB ever.
 
steelbtexan said:
I didn't expect him to play like a 1st team guy. What I want to know is what happened to his accuracy? Today he was awful.
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PRESSURE affects everything man. We’ve seen some of the greatest to play this game be made to look like crap when they are constantly under assault. Peyton Manning. Drew Brees. Brett Favre. Contrary to what everyone thinks. Throwing a ball isn’t just a matter of swinging your arm. **** starts at your base…as in your feet. And if you don’t have calm feet b/c you’re constantly having to move or you’re working from a claustrophobic, dirty ass pocket all the time, it’s gonna affect your overall throw, release and follow thru... all of which have a huge say in your accuracy. It’s really just that simple. You add in the fact that he has no run game to speak of to take pressure off him & hes having to throw to guys who can’t get separation…you’re asking him to be super duper accurate. It’s really all on him to make something happen on offense b/c his play caller ain’t helping him much.

No qb is gonna be able to thrive over the long term of a season/career under those circumstances. Not without SOME kind of help..which usually comes from his offensive coaches.
 
Mr teX said:
Once upon a time These same “excuses” were also made for Matt Stafford in Detroit, Josh Allen in his 1st and 2nd years…& even LJ8. Seemed to work out for those guys once those issues were credibly addressed. Sometimes those “excuses” aren’t excuses but legitimate issues and concerns.

The mere fact some of you actually think that/thought that this dude was going to be able to play like a 1st team all pro behind an o-line that has had issues all year keeping him upright while throwing to his 4th and 5th string WR’s just boggles my mind.

Fans of football in Texas get credited for being more knowledgeable about the game…judging from some of these posts, I seriously have to question why that is. Some really uneducated takes in here.
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As far as all seasons play goes I grade CJ a C! Not a failing grade. As far as CJ's play today he gets an F+. He just seemed out in outerspace all game. Unfortunately he isn't an astronaut. He had time to deliver accurate passes but was erratic most of the game. CJ has time to redeem himself. He owes it to the fans of the Texans but he especially needs to get his act together for Tank and rise above as opposed to Tanks loss "tanking," his play the rest of this season. Bobby Slowik was not the problem today for the most part!

Too many players have put in the hard work only to have CJ self destruct and become a weak a** marshmallow! The time is now to showcase the intestinal fortitude of a champion. Let's see what CJ and this team are all about. Especially CJ though!
 
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Mr teX said:
PRESSURE affects everything man. We’ve seen some of the greatest to play this game be made to look like crap when they are constantly under assault. Peyton Manning. Drew Brees. Brett Favre. Contrary to what everyone thinks. Throwing a ball isn’t just a matter of swinging your arm. **** starts at your base…as in your feet. And if you don’t have calm feet b/c you’re constantly having to move or you’re working from a claustrophobic, dirty ass pocket all the time, it’s gonna affect your overall throw, release and follow thru... all of which have a huge say in your accuracy. It’s really just that simple. You add in the fact that he has no run game to speak of to take pressure off him & hes having to throw to guys who can’t get separation…you’re asking him to be super duper accurate. It’s really all on him to make something happen on offense b/c his play caller ain’t helping him much.

No qb is gonna be able to thrive over the long term of a season/career under those circumstances. Not without SOME kind of help..which usually comes from his offensive coaches.
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I agree he needs some help, but today he was very inaccurate and threw a terrible int even when he wasn't under pressure.
 
steelbtexan said:
I agree he needs some help, but today he was very inaccurate and threw a terrible int even when he wasn't under pressure.
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I turned it off after LJ8 scored that long run TD. So unless you’re talking about another he threw after, the 1 int he threw that I did see…Dude lol, He was literally running away from pressure and threw it downfield trying to make something happen.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
DeMeco in Houston has to work.

That's just the bottom line.

But I don't see the culture from last year.

I think we have cancers. Not sure who or where or how.

But injuries + cancers = this.
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Let's compartmentalize...

Injuries - absolutely affected the offensive performance this season. Tank wasn't Tank until the KC game, and Nico missing games early affected offense's performance. D was able to deal with injuries much better.
Offense (as a whole) - major step back from last year. IMO, most of it is on O-line and Slowik. Some on CJ. Not being in the room, I have no idea what's actually happening there.
O-line - main problem. needs to get fixed.
"Cancers" - I don't know what you mean by that, but I haven't seen any altercations between teammates. I think people are frustrated with their own performance, just like we are, but I'm not sure about "cancers"
Slowik + other O coaches - he needs to figure his sh!t out. If you have a team that can't "execute" the plays you want them to execute, as he says, design different plays that work with the people you have.

That's my basic assessment.
 
Stroud will be just fine. He has too much to lose to be a jag in this league. He actually cares about his image. He’s also playing for his father who’s locked up. I’m sure he doesn’t want the inmates beating up his dad because they lost a bet due to his play. You guys need to relax. The nfl made a stupid choice of making the Texans play 3 games in 11 days. Let’s see if Cj can have a revenge game against the titans. Expecting Cj to be Mahomes and Tom Brady due to a stellar rookie season is unrealistic. QBs have there ups and downs. You can’t put all the blame on a 23 year old who’s still a baby in this game
 
DanielTx said:
Stroud will be just fine. He has too much to lose to be a jag in this league. He actually cares about his image. He’s also playing for his father who’s locked up. I’m sure he doesn’t want the inmates beating up his dad because they lost a bet due to his play. You guys need to relax. The nfl made a stupid choice of making the Texans play 3 games in 11 days. Let’s see if Cj can have a revenge game against the titans. Expecting Cj to be Mahomes and Tom Brady due to a stellar rookie season is unrealistic. QBs have there ups and downs. You can’t put all the blame on a 23 year old who’s still a baby in this game
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We know what CJ is capable of. Nobody will convince me that he just doesn't care, doesn't have the heart, or whatever other BS I'm reading here.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
DeMeco in Houston has to work.

That's just the bottom line.

But I don't see the culture from last year.

I think we have cancers. Not sure who or where or how.

But injuries + cancers = this.
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You’re correct. We have cancers on this team. Players who seems disengaged. Players who have no love for the game. Players who show up just to get a paycheck. I’ll start with 1, Larmey Tunsil
 
steelbtexan said:
He had people open, the throw he missed to Colins was a 20 yd gain if completed, followed by the very next play missing a 3 yd pass to Schultz who there was nobody within 30 yds of him. Then the start of the 2nd half the 1st two plays weren't runs up the middle like you're describing. Stroud missed an open Collins for what would've been a 20 yd gain and followed that up by making a terrible decision and getting picked. What's an OC supposed to do? BTW, when I was rating QB's last week, I had him around 20 and you disagreed with me. But he certainly didn't play like a top 20 QB today.
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I said the first two plays of the first half…not the second half like you said.

And I agree he is not good this year. But, it’s not all on him. You know that, I know that, we all know that.

He is a second year QB…. He’s still learning. And a proper/qualified OC should help him get better not worse. A better OLine should help him get better, but the OLine blows chunks.
CJ isn’t blowing chunks, he’s coughing up hair balls this year.
Like I said. He’s got some issues this year, but those problems don’t all start with him.
 
It is what I expected as for as OL performance. Our 2nd yr QB sacked 5 time and rushing game was 58 total yards. I don’t blame the QB or RB that played behind our OL today. I just hope no serious injuries occured today as I didn't get to watch game due to being on NetFlix.
 
paycheck71 said:
We know what CJ is capable of. Nobody will convince me that he just doesn't care, doesn't have the heart, or whatever other BS I'm reading here.
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Exactly brother. I think Cj played so well his rookie season, his expectations has been raised to a Pat Mahomes and Tom Brady. No one can call him a one hit wonder either. With a down season, he still has better stats than 50% of the other QBs around the league. Cj will lock back in but it’s something or multiple factors in this organization that’s making him uncomfortable. Slowik and Demeco failed at addressing it. Now it’s Nick Caserio time
 
Texansballer74 said:
They don’t get their act together, old David will be whispering in CJ’s ear. “I can get you paid and sent to a better situation”. Houston doesn’t really care about winning and they’ll ruin your career.
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I expect this after next yr.

Hopefully Stroud improves and this will be a moot point.
 
DanielTx said:
Exactly brother. I think Cj played so well his rookie season, his expectations has been raised to a Pat Mahomes and Tom Brady. No one can call him a one hit wonder either. With a down season, he still has better stats than 50% of the other QBs around the league. Cj will lock back in but it’s something or multiple factors in this organization that’s making him uncomfortable. Slowik and Demeco failed at addressing it. Now it’s Nick Caserio time
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Are they going to address Stroud's lack of accuracy?
 
ghostlight said:
It is what I expected as for as OL performance. Our 2nd yr QB sacked 5 time and rushing game was 58 total yards. I don’t blame the QB or RB that played behind our OL today. I just hope no serious injuries occured today as I didn't get to watch game due to being on NetFlix.
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How many times Stroud run needlessly run out of bounds for sacks instead of throwing the ball away? 2-3 times?
 
Mr teX said:
I turned it off after LJ8 scored that long run TD. So unless you’re talking about another he threw after, the 1 int he threw that I did see…Dude lol, He was literally running away from pressure and threw it downfield trying to make something happen.
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The thing is last season and early this season CJ got away with trying to make something happen but most of this season that hasn't been the case. We saw Lamar Jackson exploit us when under pressure both running for big yards out of the pocket and delivering dimes downfield. CJ isn't finding Nico when flushed out of the pocket and buying time like he did before Nico got hurt and to a lesser extent no other receivers either. There needs to be a better feel by CJ when to get rid of the football and save yards and avoid turnovers and what is adequate time for him to throw completions. Unfortunately CJ isn't the athlete that LJ is and isn't the threat to play Houdini and break containment for big runs or drop dimes on the run like LJ. We had LJ dead to rights and lesser athletes at Qb would not have burned us the way he did. To me LJ and not Josh Allen is the lead candidate for league MVP. Let's see how the last games go. It should be a close battle.
 
Deadpool said:
Love the fire! One thing I'd say though is that Stroud got Nico and Dell to play great football when it was all clicking. How was Nico doing before Stroud
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How was anyone doing before Stroud? Before DeMeco? I mean, you gotta take into account that before Stroud also means "before a lot of things changed". The year he got here he was playing for David Culley and catching balls from Davis Mills and nothing was going right for almost anybody then. I don't think Davis Mills was capable of focusing on more than one WR per snap during 2021 and 2022 so Cooks got the attention and Nico just worked. You could say Nico exploded when CJ got here or you could say Nico exploded the year after Cooks left. Both would be correct.
 
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