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Game day: Week 17- Texans vs Ravens

amazing80 said:
Sorry but CJ is the problem. Slowik is trash too but CJ has plenty of guys that he just can’t hit. I don’t want to hear **** about the oline. Plenty of great QBs overcome bad olines. Maybe his test score does matter. Ain’t smart enough to hang in this league.
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Ok… agree. But he’s had lots of time to throw tonight at times. Nobody open… who’s at fault now?
Yes he should scramble or throw it away but he’s had lots of time tonight…on many occasions. Why can’t anyone get open? I think they are looking for the explosive play too much! Would love a 8 minute, 75 yard drive every now and then
 
austins23 said:
Ok… agree. But he’s had lots of time to throw tonight at times. Nobody open… who’s at fault now?
Yes he should scramble or throw it away but he’s had lots of time tonight…on many occasions. Why can’t anyone get open? I think they are looking for the explosive play too much! Would love a 8 minute, 75 yard drive every now and then
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Saying nobody has been open is just not true. Schultz scores if he hits him in stride.
 
thunderkyss said:
It only looks like nobody is open because he doesn't throw the ball.
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When he’s had all the time in the world on some plays tonight why hasn’t he thrown it?
Hard to see if guys are open on the tv broadcast. The All 22 will show is what we want to see.
I think he’s going down the Hwsnbm route
 
Stroud is kinda soft and not the sharpest kid in the class. Good football instincts when he's given time but he's not anything special and he's sure as hell not a franchise QB. He's not carrying anyone anywhere. He's David Carr 2.0 with all the physical tools and not enough upstairs to make it work at this level. He looks good when everything is going the Texans way and he's rapidly falling apart in year two after he's "seen some s***". Added pressure hasn't led him to another level or more focus. It's just taken him down a few notches. By year four he's just going to be someone else's reclamation project. Slow will be gone. Hell DeMeco might even be gone and somebody else is going to have to find out if there's any coming back from where he is. Hopefully Nick and Cal aren't stupid enough to have given him a massive contract based on one season of rookie magic. Who am I kidding though. Of course they will.

And the OL will still be non-existent.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
Whatever the problem is in regards to CJ we basically have next season to determine if he is worth keeping beyond that point!
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Nope, loads of teams find out whether the QB is worth developing or not around year 5 or 6, unfortunately beyond the point when they have to commit huge amounts of their salary cap. This is an issue with the current rookie pay scale structure that is causing lots of teams problems.

Stroud is playing poorly right now, but there is still a huge amount of upside. Hopefully we begin to see progress soon.
 
steelbtexan said:
True, but today isn't on the OC.
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I think some of it is…..
When I can tell my entire family on our first possession, “two runs up the middle will leave us in third and long”
Well what do you know….

Ravens have a crap secondary! I get CJ is not good this year but damn…. He’s had lots of time tonight at times. Why isn’t anyone open? Or why isn’t he throwing the damn ball!?
I don’t want another hero QB!
 
Hervoyel said:
You're not risking anything leaving them out there. No matter what happens they're going to be one and done in the playoffs and everyone should be back in time for training camp and talking like they're a real contender again in 2025.
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Just the same there is nothing to be gained or lost for this season by taking key players out. Let's see how our backups perform in this game. Nothing ventured, nothing gained!
 
There are so many issues on offense right now. It’s not one person, one coach, one play all or scheme. It’s like an all you can eat buffet of problems. Yes’m CJ stunk today, but he didn’t stink in a vacuum. He’s clearly lost confidence, both in himself, and I would argue his line and coaches,

The defense was horrible today. Generally. They have been good this year. With multiple key players out, and the offense sustaining zero…I am going to give them a pass today up against a tough opponent. Not to say they don’t share in the blame.,,but we are back to the all you can eat buffet.

It’s been clear as day all year this team was underperforming and had major offensive issues. For the most part, the Texans brain trust has moved at glacial plate speed to correct issues that have arisen. Very very very slow to make any real change. This slow to change issue is something that might be Meco’s downfall if we see them roll out the status quo in 25.
 
Porky said:
There are so many issues on offense right now. It’s not one person, one coach, one play all or scheme. It’s like an all you can eat buffet of problems. Yes’m CJ stunk today, but he didn’t stink in a vacuum. He’s clearly lost confidence, both in himself, and I would argue his line and coaches,

The defense was horrible today. Generally. They have been good this year. With multiple key players out, and the offense sustaining zero…I am going to give them a pass today up against a tough opponent. Not to say they don’t share in the blame.,,but we are back to the all you can eat buffet.

It’s been clear as day all year this team was underperforming and had major offensive issues. For the most part, the Texans brain trust has moved at glacial plate speed to correct issues that have arisen. Very very very slow to make any real change. This slow to change issue is something that might be Meco’s downfall if we see them roll out the status quo in 25.
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CJ has no focus and will let injuries derail him during the game. Pouts on the sideline.
 
Hervoyel said:
Stroud is kinda soft and not the sharpest kid in the class. Good football instincts when he's given time but he's not anything special and he's sure as hell not a franchise QB. He's not carrying anyone anywhere. He's David Carr 2.0 with all the physical tools and not enough upstairs to make it work at this level. He looks good when everything is going the Texans way and he's rapidly falling apart in year two after he's "seen some s***". Added pressure hasn't led him to another level or more focus. It's just taken him down a few notches. By year four he's just going to be someone else's reclamation project. Slow will be gone. Hell DeMeco might even be gone and somebody else is going to have to find out if there's any coming back from where he is. Hopefully Nick and Cal aren't stupid enough to have given him a massive contract based on one season of rookie magic. Who am I kidding though. Of course they will.

And the OL will still be non-existent.
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Oof, I'd at least give the kid Derek Carr, not David....
 
DeMeco is a DC playing at being a HC. It's not working. We watched Gary Kubiak do it (the other way around) and he didn't make any progress (on the D side) until McNair brought Wade in to hold Gary's hand. Will Hal and Hannah bring someone in to help create an offense that can perform? Who knows? This franchise is perpetually a day late and a dollar short.
 
I have to wonder what kind of carry over last Saturday's loss of Tank had on this team. I am not saying that was the sole reason but this team just seemed flat outside of one brief momentum lift.
 
Porky said:
There are so many issues on offense right now. It’s not one person, one coach, one play all or scheme. It’s like an all you can eat buffet of problems. Yes’m CJ stunk today, but he didn’t stink in a vacuum. He’s clearly lost confidence, both in himself, and I would argue his line and coaches,

The defense was horrible today. Generally. They have been good this year. With multiple key players out, and the offense sustaining zero…I am going to give them a pass today up against a tough opponent. Not to say they don’t share in the blame.,,but we are back to the all you can eat buffet.

It’s been clear as day all year this team was underperforming and had major offensive issues. For the most part, the Texans brain trust has moved at glacial plate speed to correct issues that have arisen. Very very very slow to make any real change. This slow to change issue is something that might be Meco’s downfall if we see them roll out the status quo in 25.
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For the foreseeable future, Porky speaks for me
 
Deadpool said:
Oof, I'd at least give the kid Derek Carr, not David....
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Once the knucklehead gets running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage in his tool bag I wash my hands of him. He looks exactly like David Carr to me right now. Who is CJ hitting in stride these days? Answer: Not much of anybody. Who's game gets better playing beside him? Again, nobody. They have a highly drafted QB standing on the fine line between being great and being just another guy who didn't pan out and what they are doing for him amounts to NFL malpractice. The offensive line is pathetic and it boils down to one guy who sets the standard for the entire thing. Tunsil. Talented like no one else and not an ounce of character or give a s*** in his entire body. That's the guy who is our best lineman. Does it make any sense to anyone why the others suck so much? They come here, see what Laremy gets paid and prepares and that's the effort we get. That's the effort the Texans paid for. I don't give a damn what the statistics say. The man is poison and there's a reason why he found his way to the one franchise stupid enough to take him off of the Dolphins hands. They need to tear it all down and start over IMO. You keep CJ, Mixon, Diggs if you can get him back here and maybe a couple of others and then go start hunting OL talent. Start at LT and fire sale all of them even if you only get 7's. They suck.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
I have to wonder what kind of carry over last Saturday's loss of Tank had on this team. I am not saying that was the sole reason but this team just seemed flat outside of one brief momentum lift.
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The Lions lose stars and get stronger. The Chiefs lose stars and get stronger. Tank isn't even a star. He's like the mascot or something. Without more dangerous targets on the field Tank makes no impression on anyone. I mean maybe he's a really great guy and all but if the Texans can't move on after that then the list of things wrong with them just got a lot longer
 
Hervoyel said:
They've been doing what they think is best for two years now and see where that has the team?
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Well, the answer is: 2 consecutive division championships... that being said, I share your frustration. However, there is still plenty of reason for optimism for 2025 and beyond. On the plus side, the miserable way this season has unfolded should speed the learning curve for Demeco... but we will see.
 
Arky said:
Ravens = 228 yards rushing.

Defense getting worked today.
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The defense started out really bad but the safety only to have the offenses blown redzone drive stole all the momentum we had. The team was running on raw emotions from our last game and the loss of Tank Dell. Not a total excuse because we have all pointed out areas that are bad but even with that all said, we have competed in most of our losses. This game felt off from the start and it seems raw emotions on a short week hurt us to some extent!
 
dalemurphy said:
Well, the answer is: 2 consecutive division championships... that being said, I share your frustration. However, there is still plenty of reason for optimism for 2025 and beyond. On the plus side, the miserable way this season has unfolded should speed the learning curve for Demeco... but we will see.
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Nah, that's no answer. I've seen the division they 'rule". lol.
 
I missed my prediction by 8 points. Not a difficult prediction after watching how the season has unfolded.

Man, I was so sure they got the coaching staff and quarterback right after last year before this season started. As the season went on, I started to wonder. Now it looks like they whiffed on both. If they did, the Texans might be rebuilding again before they even finished the last rebuild.
 
banned1976 said:
I missed my prediction by 8 points. Not a difficult prediction after watching how the season has unfolded.

Man, I was so sure they got the coaching staff and quarterback right after last year before this season started. As the season went on, I started to wonder. Now it looks like they whiffed on both. If they did, the Texans might be rebuilding again before they even finished the last rebuild.
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If the same people start the rebuild next time I expect similar results. I already believe Caserio is a problem. He can go get what you ask him for but he's not good enough at his job to be able to tell the difference between s*** and Shinola.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Another shot of Stroud slouched over on the bench pouting. It’s pathetic. Honestly I’m not paying 400-500 million for that.
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Fair enough. Stroud should be angry about the direction things are headed. I read earlier in another post from someone that he says all the same things every week (and they're the right things) but nothing changes. That's textbook David Carr right there. Now we know why David was like that. Football was never his obsession. He knew what to say but ultimately the game was secondary to him to his family and his faith and I got no problem with that aside from the fact this is "professional" football and if you're not someone who is ready to give it your all maybe QB in the NFL isn't for you and it's disingenuous to be selling people tickets to watch you play it if you're not all in all day. With CJ I'm not sure what is going on but he's not changing or adapting or anything. He's just sitting there expecting it to happen.

Maybe Caleb Williams needed to give CJ a few words of wisdom back in week 2?
 
Hervoyel said:
If the same people start the rebuild next time I expect similar results. I already believe Caserio is a problem. He can go get what you ask him for but he's not good enough at his job to be able to tell the difference between s*** and Shinola.
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Yep. He looked brilliant last year with the signing of Dell (a player many of us mocked to the Texans) but it sounds like it was his rookie quarterback that hadn't even taken a snap in the NFL at that point that was the catalyst to drafting him. That's pretty weak.
 
Hervoyel said:
DeMeco is a DC playing at being a HC. It's not working. We watched Gary Kubiak do it (the other way around) and he didn't make any progress (on the D side) until McNair brought Wade in to hold Gary's hand. Will Hal and Hannah bring someone in to help create an offense that can perform? Who knows? This franchise is perpetually a day late and a dollar short.
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DeMeco was here and saw Kubiak's mistake of hiring inexperienced DCs like Richard Smith and Frank Bush as DCs. Based on that experience alone, he should have hired an experienced OC or experienced offensive assistants to work with Slowik. I don't know why he hired Bill Lazor, Chris Strausser or even Jerrod Johnson. To my knowledge, none of them are from the Shanahan/Kubiak coaching tree or experienced in the intricacies of this offense.
 
banned1976 said:
Yep. He looked brilliant last year with the signing of Dell (a player many of us mocked to the Texans) but it sounds like it was his rookie quarterback that hadn't even taken a snap in the NFL at that point that was the catalyst to drafting him. That's pretty weak.
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Taking a shot at Dell was fine. He's an adequate "water bug" of a receiver who can exploit having better guys drawing more attention from the defense BUT.... He's also not built to take the pounding of the NFL. Not everybody is going to be Ernest Givins. I doubt Tank will be in football in 3 more years. He's not durable. Nothing he could do anything about even if he wanted to.
 
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