This is another reason why I'm getting turned off to the NFL. It's not about the game in God'ells NFL.
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CJ Stroud year 2
- Thread starter Texansballer74
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The hype is what the Texans org is all about.
Blaming Easterby for BOB's bad GM 'ing and Derrick's perversions. SMH Easterby was about 5th on the list of what was wrong with the Texans.
1. Janice
2. Cal
3 Derrick
4. BOB
5. Easterby
Texansballer74
The Marine
Me too , even though we all know dude will be denigrating that young man’s character all season and his entire career here in Houston.
After he stabbed somebody to death. Allegedly
Depends on if he doesn't choke in big games and the playoffs.
Texansballer74
The Marine
As they should. Every team is about the hype.
Marketing 101
Texansballer74
The Marine
Every player chokes in some big games and in some playoffs games. It’s part of the game. It happens
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I didn't say he will be a failure. I said that if he wins a championship he will be an outlier. This unfortunately is the truth.
A team run by a marketing firm is unlikely to ever win a championship.
Don't think for a second this stops once actual football is played. There will be no letup.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Aren't practically all qbs who win a SB outliers? How many qbs have won two SBs? Much less three? But then again, what is an outlier?
Texansballer74
The Marine
You don’t know that. Stop making an assumption to be factual.
Great point. The poster known for "stats are for losers" now uses outlier like a data scientist. Every year 1 out of 32 QBs wins a Super Bowl. Then you think about how many QBs have won more than one Super Bowl and a case can be made that Super Bowl winning QBs are....wait for it....outliers.
The key is to not let stupidsjt upset you.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
You have nothing to base that statement on.....other than a personal opinion.
Let's say he had 2-3 bad seasons in a row, then a really great season, but fell back to his old ways. His great season would represent an outlier season b/c of career work to that point.
To mention that Stroud is an outlier if he does better than "you've" projected in his first season....is just plain premature.
Those that could be removed from the list have been removed from the list. I call that progress.
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heymak
"I know nothing!". (Veteran)
Isn't every quarterback that wins a Superbowl an outlier? I mean one of thirty two sounds pretty outlierish to me.
Edit:Oops see that someone had the same thought. I'll leave it anyway.
Number19
Hall of Fame
In all, only 20 teams have won the SB. Of the non-SB winning teams, four, including the Texans, have never played in the SB.
What is it about these four that offers an explanation?
Yes, Steelb may be making an assumption, but why should this bother anyone? Do you have your own assumption?
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
*years from now*
Well… no QB has won 7 Super Bowls if they weren’t married to a supermodel! Bust!
Replace one of them with a marketing exec. Hannah, which is more troubling than Easterby. IMHO
Do you understand what the word outlier means?
Look at Strouds background and tell me honestly, would he be doing differently than any other QB in NFL history except for a couple of guys?
Name a team that has been run like the Texans. There's a reason they've never even been to an AFCCG. I believe they're the only team to have not accomplished this.
See one of my posts above.
Amazingly enough I could only find 13 QBs who have won 2 or more & that is out of 57 SBs. It just goes to show that it is hard as hell to get everything to come together for a whole season.
QB.....................Wins
Tom Brady...............7
Terry Bradshaw........4
Joe Montana............4
Troy Aikman............3
Roger Staubach.......2
John Elway..............2
Jim Plunkett............2
Patrick Mahomes......2
Peyton Manning........2
Eli Manning..............2
Bob Griese...............2
Ben Roethlisberger....2
Bart Starr....................2
They have accounted for 36 out of 57 though.
QB.....................Wins
Tom Brady...............7
Terry Bradshaw........4
Joe Montana............4
Troy Aikman............3
Roger Staubach.......2
John Elway..............2
Jim Plunkett............2
Patrick Mahomes......2
Peyton Manning........2
Eli Manning..............2
Bob Griese...............2
Ben Roethlisberger....2
Bart Starr....................2
They have accounted for 36 out of 57 though.
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His college career has been as successful as many QBs who were successful in the NFL. Even some who've won Super Bowls. I don't see why his professional career wouldn't be as successful as theirs.
Why? It is completely irrelevant to what Stroud will or won't become as an NFL QB. Do you know the meaning of the word "irrelevant"?
Bringing up Stroud's background as a negative is bad enough. But no, it's the importance you place on Stroud's background to paint him as non-qualifying to be a NFL QB that makes your take outrageous. What always confuses me is whether you comprehend that, or whether you just don't care.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Texansballer74
The Marine
Again every freaking team is in the business of marketing their freaking product/brand. Not just the freaking Texans.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Exactly, but we know he doesn’t like the young man. Therefore, he’s going to attempt to find or say anything to cut him down.
Exactly. It's hard as hell to get everything to come together for a whole season. You need a little luck, great coaching and players stepping up at the right time.
Also, it's not all about the QBs because a case can be made that if the Colts and Broncos had to rely strictly on Peyton Manning to win those two Super Bowls he would have failed. The defense and running games were significant during Manning's Super Bowl runs. This is the ultimate team game and to simply say a QB can't win one or is not a championship QB is just silly. He is not getting to a Super Bowl on his own.
The Browns, Texans, Lions and Jaguars have never played in a SB. Since 3 of the 4 are recent expansion teams. Couldn't the assumption be that that recent expansion teams have not played in SB instead of this marketing assumption? That seems more logical.
The only lucky one was Carolina, already been to two SBs.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Elway might’ve joined the likes of Jim Kelly (Buffalo) had RB, Terrell Davis never been drafted in 1995. Even though he was drafted in RD6…..he was a big reason the Broncos hoisted (2) Lombardi Trophy’s.
What confuses me is very few guys with his background have been championship level QB's and you don't even take this into account. You believe Stroud is a unicorn, I don't and it's ok to agree to disagree. When Stroud wins a big game it will be his 1st, I guess you don't take this into account. I know Caserio Ryans, Slowik took this into account, Hannah and most importantly Janice, like yourself didn't take this into account.
The Texans put marketing 1st and foremost. Teams that are successful believe in drafting players and when they become successful then they market them. See: Mahomes, Hill and Kelce as examples. They don't draft guys with marketability being the most important thing they're looking for in draft picks. See Corrosions post in this thread as a guide for what I'm talking about.
I don't take this nonsense into account. Because it's utter nonsense. Just like I don't take the race of someone into account. Or their religion. Or sexual orientation. Or anything else that is extraneous to football. Here are some legitimate concerns for QB prospects:
Can't make all of the passes required in an NFL offense.
Doesn't read defenses in a timely manner.
Can't make off schedule plays.
Doesn't stand and deliver in the pocket in the face of a pass rush.
Lack of leadership.
Things related to playing QB.
Childhood background is not among those things I've listed as legitimate concerns. Nor should it be.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Someone on here said several times , logic is a lost art on this forum.
Since it appears you keep track of this stuff. How many QBs with Stroud's background played in the NFL and were not championship QBs? Can you name them?
Don't need to waste time on this crap. Answer, not many at all. Somebody said Johnny Unitas and somebody else have won championships with a similar background.
Texansballer74
The Marine
They all put marketing first.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Lol as you can see that’s not going to happen. Now he’s not going to waste his time on that crap. Why because he’s too caught up with crapping on the Texans marketing obligation and destroying CJ’s character.
The Chiefs marketed Mahomes and Kelce before they played a down of NFL football? I don't remember this being the case. I know they still don't really market Chris Jones.
Texansballer74
The Marine
And since we’re talking about marketing. What is the best way to market your team? Who is the best marketing executive in the NFL and all of sports? Jerry Darn Jones , what have the Cowboys won in the past 20 years?
It's hilarious that you are using Kelce as an example. What happened to your character criteria? In college, Kelce failed a drug test, got suspended for a year and dropped to the 3rd round. Shoot, Kelce played one game his rookie year. So, you were expecting the Chiefs to market him before he played a down? The foundation of your opinions are like Swiss cheese.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I said it. Unitas and Griese.
How many QBs with better backgrounds have lost Super bowls? More.
The correlations you try to create don’t exist.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
It isn’t a qualifying factor.
More QBs have lost Super bowls with better backgrounds than Stroud’s than have won Super bowls with better backgrounds than Stroud’s.
I dont really care about character except for guys who are rapists, murders, sexual predators etc... But I wouldn't spend a high 1st rd pick on a guy with character problems. The Chiefs take chances on guys with character problems and they've got the rings to prove the way they do things works. Meanwhile the McNair's leadership hasn't even made an AFCCG, sad thing is they wont change the way they do business regardless of the inferior product they put on the field. But hey, they're one of the best marketers in the NFL.