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[Terry Pluto / Sports Columnist for Cleveland.com]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650087344257617920

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You mean your 2020 form when you were throwing more than passes at the massage therapists?...........that 2020 form???? :kitten:
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2020 was the year he started by blowing a 24-0 lead in a playoff game and having no answer to a 51-7 run, and then later that year he won four games in a season? :heh:
 
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2020 was the year he started by blowing a 24-0 lead in a playoff game and having no answer to a 51-7 run, and then later that year he won four games in a season? :heh:
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Nice spin...but i'm sure alot of teams would take 4800 yds passing 33 TDs and 7 ints on there team right now let alone us or the Browns.
 
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What Aaron Rodgers to the Jets means for Deshaun Watson and the Browns: Mary Kay Cabot
  • Updated: Apr. 24, 2023, 7:48 p.m.|
  • Published: Apr. 24, 2023, 7:05 p.m.
Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio — If Deshaun Watson didn’t already have enough quarterback competition in the star-studded AFC, he must now try to get past one of the best of all time in Aaron Rodgers, who was traded Monday to the Jets.

In the much-anticipated swap, the Jets gave up: No. 13, No. 42 in the second round (originally the Browns’ pick, traded to the Jets for receiver Elijah Moore), No. 207 in the sixth round, and a conditional 2024 second-round pick that becomes a first if Rodgers play 65% of the snaps.

The Packers gave up Rodgers, the No. 15 pick and a 2023 fifth-rounder.

Watson, who went 3-3 with the Browns last year and is still trying to get his sea legs with the Browns, already had some of the best in the business to contend with, and now has arguably one of the top 10 all-time in his path. Rogers’ resume includes Super Bowl MVP, four-time NFL MVP, four-time first-team All-Pro and 10 Pro Bowls.

As it is, Watson will have a tough enough time winning the AFC North, let alone the AFC. If Lamar Jackson plays for the Ravens this season, he’ll be as tough as ever with the addition of Odell Beckham Jr. and whomever they add in the draft. Cincinnati’s Joe Burrow is still just hitting his stride, and the Steelers can never be counted out, even with a young QB in Kenny Pickett.

With two-time Super Bowl and NFL MVP Patrick Mahomes headlining the AFC, the bar is set at superstar, and everyone else must try to match his superhuman feats. Watson has the arm talent and athleticism to make the same kinds of plays, but will be learning a retooled scheme and new personnel in his first full season with the Browns.

All the cool kids are hanging out in the AFC these days, including Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Russell Wilson, Trevor Lawrence, Tua Tagovailoa and Jimmy Garoppolo. The road to the Super Bowl will undoubtedly be filled with highlight-reel QB performances.
Rodgers, with a significantly upgraded receiving corps in New York, should be able to hit the ground running in his 19th NFL season, even at the age of 39. The Jets, who drafted former Ohio State receiver Garrett Wilson No. 10 overall last year and also have Corey Davis and Denzel Mims, signed Rodgers’ former Packers receiver Allen Lazard, and former Chiefs speedster Mecole Hardman. They also have the No. 15 pick, which they can use on another premier receiver or offensive lineman to give Rodgers and even warmer welcome.

He’ll also be reunited with his former Packers offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett, under whom he earned back-to-back NFL MVP honors in 2020 and 2021. They already have the coveted simpatico that teams search for in their QB and play caller.

Rodgers also inherits the Jets No. 4 defense, one that also finished second in fewest points allowed with 18.6.

As luck would have it, Rodgers and the Jets will come to Cleveland in 2023 for a marquee matchup of elite QBs. But if Watson, with his own significantly upgraded pass-catching corps and defense, makes it to the tournament, he’ll possibly have to outplay the likes of Allen, Jackson, Mahomes, Burrow and Rodgers for a shot at the Lombardi Trophy.

It’s why the Browns will have to keep their foot on the gas and keep aggressively adding talent to the roster. If they can find more weapons for Watson, they must seize the moment.

Because the minefield of the AFC just got a lot more explosive.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
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What Aaron Rodgers to the Jets means for Deshaun Watson and the Browns: Mary Kay Cabot
  • Updated: Apr. 24, 2023, 7:48 p.m.|
  • Published: Apr. 24, 2023, 7:05 p.m.
Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio — If Deshaun Watson didn’t already have enough quarterback competition in the star-studded AFC, he must now try to get past one of the best of all time in Aaron Rodgers, who was traded Monday to the Jets.

In the much-anticipated swap, the Jets gave up: No. 13, No. 42 in the second round (originally the Browns’ pick, traded to the Jets for receiver Elijah Moore), No. 207 in the sixth round, and a conditional 2024 second-round pick that becomes a first if Rodgers play 65% of the snaps.

The Packers gave up Rodgers, the No. 15 pick and a 2023 fifth-rounder.

Watson, who went 3-3 with the Browns last year and is still trying to get his sea legs with the Browns, already had some of the best in the business to contend with, and now has arguably one of the top 10 all-time in his path. Rogers’ resume includes Super Bowl MVP, four-time NFL MVP, four-time first-team All-Pro and 10 Pro Bowls.

As it is, Watson will have a tough enough time winning the AFC North, let alone the AFC. If Lamar Jackson plays for the Ravens this season, he’ll be as tough as ever with the addition of Odell Beckham Jr. and whomever they add in the draft. Cincinnati’s Joe Burrow is still just hitting his stride, and the Steelers can never be counted out, even with a young QB in Kenny Pickett.

With two-time Super Bowl and NFL MVP Patrick Mahomes headlining the AFC, the bar is set at superstar, and everyone else must try to match his superhuman feats. Watson has the arm talent and athleticism to make the same kinds of plays, but will be learning a retooled scheme and new personnel in his first full season with the Browns.

All the cool kids are hanging out in the AFC these days, including Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Russell Wilson, Trevor Lawrence, Tua Tagovailoa and Jimmy Garoppolo. The road to the Super Bowl will undoubtedly be filled with highlight-reel QB performances.
Rodgers, with a significantly upgraded receiving corps in New York, should be able to hit the ground running in his 19th NFL season, even at the age of 39. The Jets, who drafted former Ohio State receiver Garrett Wilson No. 10 overall last year and also have Corey Davis and Denzel Mims, signed Rodgers’ former Packers receiver Allen Lazard, and former Chiefs speedster Mecole Hardman. They also have the No. 15 pick, which they can use on another premier receiver or offensive lineman to give Rodgers and even warmer welcome.

He’ll also be reunited with his former Packers offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett, under whom he earned back-to-back NFL MVP honors in 2020 and 2021. They already have the coveted simpatico that teams search for in their QB and play caller.

Rodgers also inherits the Jets No. 4 defense, one that also finished second in fewest points allowed with 18.6.

As luck would have it, Rodgers and the Jets will come to Cleveland in 2023 for a marquee matchup of elite QBs. But if Watson, with his own significantly upgraded pass-catching corps and defense, makes it to the tournament, he’ll possibly have to outplay the likes of Allen, Jackson, Mahomes, Burrow and Rodgers for a shot at the Lombardi Trophy.

It’s why the Browns will have to keep their foot on the gas and keep aggressively adding talent to the roster. If they can find more weapons for Watson, they must seize the moment.

Because the minefield of the AFC just got a lot more explosive.
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With the AFC stocked to the gills with superstar firepower, it's hard to imagine Texans getting to the SB for a little while.
Perhaps they can take the old school route of a powerhouse defense to counter...
 
In case, people don't know the Moore/Jets situation, here is a segment with Rex Ryan when it started to surface 6 months ago.........it only got worse after that. Watson and Moore deserve each other.

 
Cleveland Browns Will Have New Dog Logo, For Some Reason

Now that I’ve given you something nice to look at, it’s time to direct your eyes to something not so aesthetically pleasing – the Cleveland Browns. Listen, I’m a lifelong Browns fan, so I’m used to ugly. But the Browns’ ugly is usually related to their on-field performance, scouting, coaching and/or drafting. Soon, you can add a (secondary) logo to the mix.

Earlier this week the team opened up fan voting for a new secondary Browns dog logo. And…they all (mostly) suck.

See for yourselves.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656284316010151938

Why the need for a secondary dog logo in the first place? Did you even know the team had A logo, let alone a secondary one?

And cartoons? Hell no. You think the Super Bowl winning Chiefs are rockin’ cartoons? Patrick Mahomes would never. Jackson Mahomes, on the other hand…

Now I’m not here to knock the dog depictions themselves. I don’t need PETA or the Photoshop Alliance coming after me. The final five dogs were all fan created and submitted to the team. In their own right, they’re all very well done. But nothing about a cartoon dog does it for me. If I had to choose, I’d go with either the first or last dog. Then again, if I’m the Browns, I’d be more focused on the team being dog crap year-after-year than I am a secondary dog logo. But who am I? I’ve only guided this sorry squad to multiple Madden championships, so…
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Cleveland Browns Will Have New Dog Logo, For Some Reason

Now that I’ve given you something nice to look at, it’s time to direct your eyes to something not so aesthetically pleasing – the Cleveland Browns. Listen, I’m a lifelong Browns fan, so I’m used to ugly. But the Browns’ ugly is usually related to their on-field performance, scouting, coaching and/or drafting. Soon, you can add a (secondary) logo to the mix.

Earlier this week the team opened up fan voting for a new secondary Browns dog logo. And…they all (mostly) suck.

See for yourselves.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656284316010151938

Why the need for a secondary dog logo in the first place? Did you even know the team had A logo, let alone a secondary one?

And cartoons? Hell no. You think the Super Bowl winning Chiefs are rockin’ cartoons? Patrick Mahomes would never. Jackson Mahomes, on the other hand…

Now I’m not here to knock the dog depictions themselves. I don’t need PETA or the Photoshop Alliance coming after me. The final five dogs were all fan created and submitted to the team. In their own right, they’re all very well done. But nothing about a cartoon dog does it for me. If I had to choose, I’d go with either the first or last dog. Then again, if I’m the Browns, I’d be more focused on the team being dog crap year-after-year than I am a secondary dog logo. But who am I? I’ve only guided this sorry squad to multiple Madden championships, so…
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Wasn't this the Chiefs logo?

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CloakNNNdagger said:
Cleveland Browns Will Have New Dog Logo, For Some Reason

Now that I’ve given you something nice to look at, it’s time to direct your eyes to something not so aesthetically pleasing – the Cleveland Browns. Listen, I’m a lifelong Browns fan, so I’m used to ugly. But the Browns’ ugly is usually related to their on-field performance, scouting, coaching and/or drafting. Soon, you can add a (secondary) logo to the mix.

Earlier this week the team opened up fan voting for a new secondary Browns dog logo. And…they all (mostly) suck.

See for yourselves.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656284316010151938

Why the need for a secondary dog logo in the first place? Did you even know the team had A logo, let alone a secondary one?

And cartoons? Hell no. You think the Super Bowl winning Chiefs are rockin’ cartoons? Patrick Mahomes would never. Jackson Mahomes, on the other hand…

Now I’m not here to knock the dog depictions themselves. I don’t need PETA or the Photoshop Alliance coming after me. The final five dogs were all fan created and submitted to the team. In their own right, they’re all very well done. But nothing about a cartoon dog does it for me. If I had to choose, I’d go with either the first or last dog. Then again, if I’m the Browns, I’d be more focused on the team being dog crap year-after-year than I am a secondary dog logo. But who am I? I’ve only guided this sorry squad to multiple Madden championships, so…
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lmao All of them are freakin' hideous. :spit:

I am so going to enjoy their inevitable collapse. My lifelong Cowboys dislike is completely eclipsed by my utter disdain for the Browns.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Cleveland Browns Will Have New Dog Logo, For Some Reason

Now that I’ve given you something nice to look at, it’s time to direct your eyes to something not so aesthetically pleasing – the Cleveland Browns. Listen, I’m a lifelong Browns fan, so I’m used to ugly. But the Browns’ ugly is usually related to their on-field performance, scouting, coaching and/or drafting. Soon, you can add a (secondary) logo to the mix.

Earlier this week the team opened up fan voting for a new secondary Browns dog logo. And…they all (mostly) suck.

See for yourselves.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656284316010151938

Why the need for a secondary dog logo in the first place? Did you even know the team had A logo, let alone a secondary one?

And cartoons? Hell no. You think the Super Bowl winning Chiefs are rockin’ cartoons? Patrick Mahomes would never. Jackson Mahomes, on the other hand…

Now I’m not here to knock the dog depictions themselves. I don’t need PETA or the Photoshop Alliance coming after me. The final five dogs were all fan created and submitted to the team. In their own right, they’re all very well done. But nothing about a cartoon dog does it for me. If I had to choose, I’d go with either the first or last dog. Then again, if I’m the Browns, I’d be more focused on the team being dog crap year-after-year than I am a secondary dog logo. But who am I? I’ve only guided this sorry squad to multiple Madden championships, so…
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First round pick here we come!
 
Can Deshaun Watson bounce back in 2023? 5 reasons why Browns’ $230M QB will struggle this year
ByZachary Roberts
Modified May 15, 2023 12:40 GMT

Deshaun Watson be better?

Deshaun Watson was pretty rough for the Cleveland Browns last year. After their massive blockbuster trade for him, they signed him to the largest fully guaranteed contract in NFL history. He was then suspended for 11 games and came back looking like a shell of his former self.


Can he bounce back this season? Possibly. He has the pedigree and talent to do so as last year seems like more of an outlier in his career. However, there are a few reasons he might not return to form in 2023. Here are some of them.



Why Deshaun Watson could struggle again

5) Kevin Stefanski

Stefanski might not be able to help Watson

Kevin Stefanski was an offensive guru before being hired with the Browns, but he has yet to show his chops. With either Baker Mayfield or Deshaun Watson, Stefanski's offenses have not been able to maximize their players- especially quarterbacks. Thus far, Stefanski hasn't shown to be capable of getting the best out of Watson.
4) Teams have tape on him

Deshaun Watson may struggle again

After a couple of seasons out of the league, Deshaun Watson was somewhat of an unknown. There was no telling how well he would play and then he played bad. Teams have tape of him now in his current state rather than two years prior with a different team. Defenses will be even more prepared for him.
3) The Browns still don't have a dominant offense
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Even with the addition of Elijah Moore, who is a nice if unspectacular piece to an offense, the Browns' offense is still mostly the same as it was last year. Watson looked bad with this offense, so there's not much reason to have faith he'll be better.

2) He still plays in the AFC North

Deshaun Watson plays in the AFC North

Even if Watson does get better, he still plays in the AFC North, which is one of the NFL's best divisions. The Baltimore Ravens and Cincinnati Bengals made the playoffs and the Pittsburgh Steelers got better this off-season. The Browns are still the worst team in the division and the AFC as a whole is very strong.
1) More pressure

There is no less pressure on Watson this year. In fact, there might be more. Last year, there was plenty of pressure after the trade, the extension and the suspension. He looked bad, which means there's even more pressure on him to prove everyone wrong. Doing that will be much more challenging this season.
Deshaun Watson's career stats in review

Over his career, Watson has gone 31-28. He has amassed 15,641 passing yards and thrown 111 touchdowns to just 41 interceptions. That's a strong touchdown to interception ratio.

He has also added 1,852 yards and 18 touchdowns on the ground over his first five seasons in the NFL. Last season with the Browns, though, he was pretty bad. His completion percentage was 58%, dropping from his career mark of 67%. He also threw seven touchdowns and five interceptions.
 
Classic Browns!!! :toropalm:

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Browns coach sends clear message to Deshaun Watson
Story by DJ Byrnes • Yesterday 11:55 AM

Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson, for the second year in a row, is taking roughly 15 offensive teammates on an international trip during the team’s voluntary team activities.

He took teammates to the Bahamas last year and Costa Rica this year.

Watson, however, made sure to inform head coach Kevin Stefanski before making the move.

“He did, but as you know, voluntary program,” Stefanski said Friday, according to the Akron Beacon Journal. “I’m very appreciative of the guys that are here and working here. When the guys decide that they want to get together and be a team, I’m very, very much in favor of that.”

Per NFL rules, the Browns are currently in the second phase of the voluntary offseason program that “may include individual or group instruction and drills, as well as perfect play drills, and drills and plays with offensive players lining up across from offensive players and defensive players lining up across from defensive players, conducted at a walk-through pace. No live contact or team offense vs. team defense drills is permitted.”

Stefanski could neither confirm nor deny that Watson went to Puerto Rico with a script of plays to work on with his teammates.

“I don’t know if we’re allowed to,” Stefanski said. “So if we’re not allowed to, no; if we’re allowed to, yes.”
 

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"Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson, for the second year in a row, is taking roughly 15 offensive teammates on an international trip during the team’s voluntary team activities."

Wow. He's still the selfish, entitled POS that we learned about in 2021. The franchise gives him the biggest (and fully) guaranteed contract in NFL history, and this is how he repays them?

LMAO!!! He's a "leader" alright, but so was the Pied Piper leading the rats to drown in a river. :heh:
 
Double Barrel said:
"Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson, for the second year in a row, is taking roughly 15 offensive teammates on an international trip during the team’s voluntary team activities."

Wow. He's still the selfish, entitled POS that we learned about in 2021. The franchise gives him the biggest (and fully) guaranteed contract in NFL history, and this is how he repays them?

LMAO!!! He's a "leader" alright, but so was the Pied Piper leading the rats to drown in a river. :heh:
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It is likely going to be written off by benevolent Watson as a business expense.:mcnugget:
 
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Smith played just 18 snaps in the 2021 regular season -- all in Week 1 against the Saints-- and then underwent back surgery Oct 1 for an issue that plagued him during training camp. From what I've been able to determine, it was a microdiscectomy for a severely ruptured lumbar disc. Last season, he suffered what was reported as a "knee contusion" (actually a bone bruise) Nov 13. He continued to play through it (not a great idea). Prior to that, he logged 10 sacks. After his injury, in his last 8 weeks, he attained only 0.5 sacks. Between his back surgery and his bone bruise, he is looking at significant risk of reinjury of his back and at very least chronic pain in his knee. He is 30 years old. It will be interesting to see if Smith turns out to be what Clowney was to be for the Browns, or just another high risk desparation move to get Watson as the face of the Browns some hope of reclamation.

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Browns officially announce Za’Darius Smith trade
Posted by Josh Alper on May 16, 2023, 10:13 AM EDT

Za'Darius Smith is officially a member of the Browns.
The Browns agreed to trade for Smith late last week and the they announced that the deal has been finalized on Tuesday morning. They will send a 2024 fifth-round pick and a 2025 fifth-round pick to Minnesota as compensation for the veteran edge rusher.

Smith spent one season with the Vikings and had 10 sacks and 24 quarterback hits. He’ll try to produce at the same level while playing across from Myles Garrett on the edges of the Cleveland defense. He’ll also get a chance to mentor younger teammates on the finer points of rushing the passer.

The Browns also added Dalvin Tomlinson, Ogbo Okoronkwo, Maurice Hurst, and Trysten Hill to their defensive line and Jim Schwartz is now coordinating a defense that everyone in Cleveland hopes will be more effective than the 2022 version.
 
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Browns writers putting lipstick on a pig **** on a stick..............

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Browns QB Deshaun Watson’s MVP Odds for 2023 Season
Deshaun Watson is a wildcard to watch in the MVP race this coming season.
Cleveland Browns

Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson needs to return to his pre-2020 self on the field to be in the mix for MVP this coming season. As it stands, Watson’s best odds to win the most valuable player award are +4000 on Caesers Sportsbook.

Those odds are the 12th best, according to Oddstrader. Watson will certainly need to prove that last year was just rust that led to his 79.1 rating and 7 passing touchdowns to five interceptions in six games.

In 2020, Watson threw 33 touchdowns with the Houston Texans with just seven interceptions. Those are MVP-like numbers and he would need a season like that to be in the thought. He’s capable and the Browns have added more talent around him such as wideouts Elijah Moore and Cedric Tillman, plus his defense is better and should give him more opportunities.

As expected, Patrick Mahomes has the best odds at +700 on FanDuel, followed by Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, and Jalen Hurts. Hurts. Mahomes won his second MVP last season with the Kansas City Chiefs.

While it may not be realistic for Watson to win the MVP this soon, when you factor in the off-the-field stuff, he still sits at an interesting spot heading into the season. A few good early weeks and he will shoot into the top 10. But the point still stands that he will have to prove it after a rocky six-game stint in 2022.
 
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Micah Parsons' massage request sparks controversy: Deshaun Watson comparison and Penn State allegations resurface
Dallas Cowboys' star faces backlash as social media erupts in debate over massage therapist tweet
Micah Parsons, the rising star of the Dallas Cowboys, is making waves even during the NFL offseason.
Following his recent switch from linebacker to defensive end, the talented player is once again in the spotlight. However, his latest actions have triggered a range of reactions from fans and reignited discussions about his controversial past.

On a Saturday, Parsons took to social media platform Twitter to seek the services of a professional massage therapist in Dallas, where he currently resides and plays. Within moments, the tweet became a hot topic, drawing comparisons to the ongoing Deshaun Watson situation. Fans flooded the platform with comments, some supportive and others questioning his motives.

One fan drew a connection between Parsons' request and the allegations surrounding Deshaun Watson, stating, "You freak." The tweet sparked a series of reactions from other users, which further fueled the controversy. One commenter humorously suggested that Parsons should seek advice from the Houston training staff, alluding to Watson's previous association with the team.

Another user sarcastically recommended Parsons to "Ask Deshaun," highlighting the delicate nature of the massage therapist issue in the NFL. However, one fan's attempt to prevent potential legal complications by suggesting that Parsons hire a male therapist backfired. The response was filled with references to Parsons' time at Penn State, where he faced serious allegations.

Penn State allegations resurface amidst massage request backlash

The comment section quickly turned to the past, as commenters began discussing the accusations Micah Parsons encountered during his college career. While at Penn State, Parsons was implicated in a controversy involving hazing and acts of a demeaning nature, some with sexual connotations. Isaiah Humphries, a freshman safety at the time, accused Parsons and defensive end Yetur Gross-Matos, among others, of engaging in these activities.

Humphries' allegations included disturbing acts such as stealing clothes, making explicit gestures while on top of players, and uttering threatening references to the Sandusky scandal that marred Penn State's reputation. The case was investigated by the Penn State police, who subsequently forwarded their findings to the Office of the Centre County District Attorney (DA). Following a thorough review, the DA decided not to pursue charges against Parsons and Gross Matos.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1617329804163928064

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