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Porky said:
You must have me confused with someone else. I did briefly back off of him after the S2 release and the agent controversy, but it didn’t take but a day or two for me to simply go back to where I was after the Georgia game. I had Young as 1A and Stroud as 1B… just a tick or two behind Bryce. I am not a fan of Levis and was opposed to the Texans drafting him.
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I think he was joking because everyone on here knows who I wanted them to draft. And that was either Stroud or Young. Mainly Stroud.
 
banned1976 said:
I just want you to know, leading up to the draft I was the only person here that wanted the Texans to draft Stroud. Texanballer, Lucky, Porky...those guys said the last thing they wanted was the Texans to draft Stroud. They were on the Levis train. Good thing none of those guys are the GM.
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For me there was always Young and Stroud and I don't think the Texans would have lost out either way.
I'm not sold on Richardson regardless of how fast he is.
Levis was less impressive to me.

Honestly, my favorite QB was Hooker out of Tennessee, but with the knee injury he wasn't going at the top.
As with all things, time will tell who was the better QB. Heck, they could all bust out just as easily.
 
sandman said:
Nice fluff piece, but not sure I agree with this statement:

"I'm just affirming the narrative that Keenum's best asset is his mental game and how he has been a huge aid to young quarterbacks in his career."

As a vet and having been on several teams, he's an asset to have from an experience perspective. But what young QBs has he mentored? Haskins? Mayfield?
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Jared Goff
 
ArmyBengal said:
For me there was always Young and Stroud and I don't think the Texans would have lost out either way.
I'm not sold on Richardson regardless of how fast he is.
Levis was less impressive to me.

Honestly, my favorite QB was Hooker out of Tennessee, but with the knee injury he wasn't going at the top.
As with all things, time will tell who was the better QB. Heck, they could all bust out just as easily.
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I was just joking with some of the guys here. I really liked Hooker at the back of the second round and thought the Texans could maneuver their way to drafting him there. There were a few people here that liked Hooker and felt he would be a first round pick. I didn't think he was a first round pick only because of the knee and his age. The talent is there.

Truth be told, there were only two quarterbacks I was interested in - Young (and I was getting cold feet on him) and Hooker. Naturally, as a Texans fan I hope I'm wrong about Stroud and he'll be a better than average NFL quarterback. And I recognize it's easy for me to say Stroud will be no better than average. The odds are heavily in my favor because historically most quarterbacks drafted don't even become average starters. Drafting a franchise level quarterback isn't easy, as we all know.
 
sandman said:
Keenum had tolled two seasons in the league and got called out of a deer stand for two games in another. A total of 15 career starts going 5-10 before Goff was drafted. What exactly was he mentoring him about?
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Once again, you're incorrect about the facts.
Keenum had spent a year on the PS in 2012 before getting his starts on 2013.
He went 2-0 in 2014.
He then upsurped Nick Foles and went 3-2 in 2015 (could have been 4-1).
Foles was 4-7 for the same team.
With the Rams in 2016, he went 4-5 while Goff finished the season 0-7.

But let the horse says it.
https://theramswire.usatoday.com/20...esota-vikings-jared-goff-case-keenum-week-11/

Work ethic is the main thing Goff said he learned from Keenum.

And I'm sure he learned that going winless as a first-time starter does not define one's career.
 
76Texan said:
Once again, you're incorrect about the facts.
Keenum had spent a year on the PS in 2012 before getting his starts on 2013.
He went 2-0 in 2014.
He then upsurped Nick Foles and went 3-2 in 2015 (could have been 4-1).
Foles was 4-7 for the same team.
With the Rams in 2016, he went 4-5 while Goff finished the season 0-7.

But let the horse says it.
https://theramswire.usatoday.com/20...esota-vikings-jared-goff-case-keenum-week-11/

Work ethic is the main thing Goff said he learned from Keenum.

And I'm sure he learned that going winless as a first-time starter does not define one's career.
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What exactly did I say that was incorrect?

Did he not toll two seasons? You don't toll a season on the PS. You don't toll a season being on a roster for two games.

Did he not go 5-10 as a starter before they drafted Goff? Pretty sure your numbers match mine.
 
sandman said:
What exactly did I say that was incorrect?

Did he not toll two seasons? You don't toll a season on the PS. You don't toll a season being on a roster for two games.

Did he not go 5-10 as a starter before they drafted Goff? Pretty sure your numbers match mine.
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A QB on the QB and scout team is different from the rest.
https://www.houstontexans.com/news/case-keenum-really-excited-for-otas-9854904

Not only he had to learn the playbook but he also had to learn many other offensive schemes, too (though not on detail).
Then obviously, he was able to watch how good Schaub prepared himself and how he operated.
It was still a season of learning for him.

Look at a guy like Mahomes; he only played a meaningless game his rookie season. That doesn't mean he didn't learn much at all.
Playing is not the only way to learn.

At any rate, the key point (that you asked for) is what can Keenum do as a mentor to Goff.
That question was answered directly by the horse.
Aren't you satisfied?

Or do you simply like to move the goal post just for the fun of it?
 
@sandman you should have known what you were getting by questioning Keenum to 76. Now we will never hear the end of it. He had just stopped talking about Case from the last time he was here
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76Texan said:
Once again, you're incorrect about the facts.
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76Texan said:
Or do you simply like to move the goal post just for the fun of it?
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You are the one who stated I was incorrect about the facts. I stated two facts:

1. Keenum had tolled two seasons in the NFL before Goff was drafted

2. Keenum was 5-10 as a starter before Goff was drafted

You have yet to show how these two facts are not correct.

Then you went on a tangent about all of the ways Keenum learned things.

So who is moving the goalposts here?


Oh, and the only thing mentioned by Goff was a strong work ethic. Nothing mentioned about how to play the QB position, learn a system, be a leader in the locker room or navigate the waters of being a starting QB in the league. He's a hard worker that overcame adversity. Straight from the horse's own mouth.
 
sandman said:
You are the one who stated I was incorrect about the facts. I stated two facts:

1. Keenum had tolled two seasons in the NFL before Goff was drafted

2. Keenum was 5-10 as a starter before Goff was drafted

You have yet to show how these two facts are not correct.

Then you went on a tangent about all of the ways Keenum learned things.

So who is moving the goalposts here?


Oh, and the only thing mentioned by Goff was a strong work ethic. Nothing mentioned about how to play the QB position, learn a system, be a leader in the locker room or navigate the waters of being a starting QB in the league. He's a hard worker that overcame adversity. Straight from the horse's own mouth.
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Don't forget that I warned ya :D
 
sandman said:
You are the one who stated I was incorrect about the facts. I stated two facts:

1. Keenum had tolled two seasons in the NFL before Goff was drafted

2. Keenum was 5-10 as a starter before Goff was drafted

You have yet to show how these two facts are not correct.

Then you went on a tangent about all of the ways Keenum learned things.

So who is moving the goalposts here?


Oh, and the only thing mentioned by Goff was a strong work ethic. Nothing mentioned about how to play the QB position, learn a system, be a leader in the locker room or navigate the waters of being a starting QB in the league. He's a hard worker that overcame adversity. Straight from the horse's own mouth.
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I never said tolling for two seasons is incorrect.

I said you're incorrect about the fact that a season on the PS and two seasons going through TC (plus additional time on the Rams PS besides the two games with the Texans) do not count as experience.

Did Keenum learn something during those periods of time?

The difference between a guy like Davis Mills and Case Keenum is right there.
Just because both guys have two years that count as tolling doesn't mean they have the same experience at QB in the NFL.

But like I said in the very first post, that was just to set the record straight.

The main point was to respond to your question. And that question was responded by Jared Goff himself.

That's the goal post.

I never moved anything.

You did.
 
sandman said:
Oh, and the only thing mentioned by Goff was a strong work ethic. Nothing mentioned about how to play the QB position, learn a system, be a leader in the locker room or navigate the waters of being a starting QB in the league. He's a hard worker that overcame adversity. Straight from the horse's own mouth.
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You didn't read the article very carefully.

This is the complete quote from Goff:

“There’s so many things I learned from him on and off the field,” he added. “I think the number one thing that he kind of imparted, he wasn’t super highly touted coming out of college and he made his career by working hard. That hard work is something I tried to grasp as much as I could and pick up little pieces here and there. So, I think that could be one thing that I learned him for sure is his work ethic, everything he’s gotten in this league I think he’s earned and fully deserves.”

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Work ethic wasn't the only thing that Goff learned from Keenum; it was just one of many things.
 
76Texan said:
I never said tolling for two seasons is incorrect.

I said you're incorrect about the fact that a season on the PS and two seasons going through TC (plus additional time on the Rams PS besides the two games with the Texans) do not count as experience.
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Except I never said a season on the practice squad doesn't count as experience. You are making up arguments.

Goalposts, moved.
 
76Texan said:
You didn't read the article very carefully.

This is the complete quote from Goff:

“There’s so many things I learned from him on and off the field,” he added. “I think the number one thing that he kind of imparted, he wasn’t super highly touted coming out of college and he made his career by working hard. That hard work is something I tried to grasp as much as I could and pick up little pieces here and there. So, I think that could be one thing that I learned him for sure is his work ethic, everything he’s gotten in this league I think he’s earned and fully deserves.”

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Work ethic wasn't the only thing that Goff learned from Keenum; it was just one of many things.
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And it was the only one he could articulate with actual words and examples...
 
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sandman said:
Except I never said a season on the practice squad doesn't count as experience. You are making up arguments.

Goalposts, moved.
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I'm not making up anything.

Did you or did you not trying to downplay the two seasons that Keenum was not on the active roster for extended time or the 2012 season (by never even mentioning it?)

That part was never the goalpost, I even said so in my first post.
It was not my goal post; how can I even move something that I didn't even put there?
Stop making me laugh

You tried to make it sounds like Keenum only have two seasons in the NFL, how and what can he possibly mentor or teach Goff.

I will stop responding to this part.
 
sandman said:
And it was the only one he could articulate with actual words and examples...
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Read whatever you like.

You ask what can Keenum teach Goff.

Goff said: "I learned so many things from Keenum, both on and off the field".
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If you want clarification, go ask him.
I'm out of this.
 
sandman said:
You are the one who stated I was incorrect about the facts. I stated two facts:

1. Keenum had tolled two seasons in the NFL before Goff was drafted

2. Keenum was 5-10 as a starter before Goff was drafted

You have yet to show how these two facts are not correct.

Then you went on a tangent about all of the ways Keenum learned things.

So who is moving the goalposts here?


Oh, and the only thing mentioned by Goff was a strong work ethic. Nothing mentioned about how to play the QB position, learn a system, be a leader in the locker room or navigate the waters of being a starting QB in the league. He's a hard worker that overcame adversity. Straight from the horse's own mouth.
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Welcome to the world of 76.

Good luck with that.
 
76Texan said:
Read whatever you like.

You ask what can Keenum teach Goff.

Goff said: "I learned so many things from Keenum, both on and off the field".
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If you want clarification, go ask him.
I'm out of this.
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You seem to be the one reading into Goff's words.

I don't try to interpret what he said. I can simply go off of the exact words he did say.

He had a chance to expound on what made it great working with Keenum.

He said he the top thing he learned was the value of working hard and overcoming adversity.

He mentioned nothing else.

It would be foolhardy for anyone to attribute anything else to his statement than what he actually stated.

Words matter. He chose his words. I have to take him at his word.
 
76Texan said:
I'm not making up anything.

Did you or did you not trying to downplay the two seasons that Keenum was not on the active roster for extended time or the 2012 season (by never even mentioning it?)

That part was never the goalpost, I even said so in my first post.
It was not my goal post; how can I even move something that I didn't even put there?
Stop making me laugh

You tried to make it sounds like Keenum only have two seasons in the NFL, how and what can he possibly mentor or teach Goff.

I will stop responding to this part.
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I said nothing other than at the time Goff was drafted, Keenum had been on the active roster for enough games in two seasons to get service credit.

He tolled two seasons. He had a 5-10 record.

You seem to be interpreting what I didn't say into some attack on Keenum.

How you choose to interpret and respond to that is your issue, not mine.

I'm simply stating facts.
 
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sandman said:
You seem to be the one reading into Goff's words.

I don't try to interpret what he said. I can simply go off of the exact words he did say.

He had a chance to expound on what made it great working with Keenum.

He said he the top thing he learned was the value of working hard and overcoming adversity.

He mentioned nothing else.

It would be foolhardy for anyone to attribute anything else to his statement than what he actually stated.

Words matter. He chose his words. I have to take him at his word.
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You're making stuffs up.
It was just a quick interview ahead of the Rams-Vikings game to talk about general things leading up to the game.
It was not an indepth interview to talk about Goff's career.

Many QBs even came out to say that it's not their job to mentor the rookie (like Aaron Rodgers).

For a guy (Goff) to say that much about his predecessor (Keenum) speaks volume.

But you don't even want to believe what Goff said; I have nothing further to add.

Just admit that as an Aggie, you have this anti-Keenum bias and move on.

I'm not wasting my time.
 
sandman said:
I said nothing other than at the time Goff was drafted, Keenum had been on the active roster for enough games in two seasons to get service credit.

He tolled two seasons. He had a 5-10 record.

You seem to be interpreting what I didn't say into some attack on Keenum.

How you choose to interpret and respond to that is your issue, not mine.

I'm simply stating facts.
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You keep on beating a dead horse.

I, like everybody else, knew that Keenum only had two official seasons.
Nobody was disputing that fact.

I was simply adding that it doesn't mean Keenum only had two years of experience in the NFL.
That would be guys like Davis Mills.

You never mention that fact in your original post; otherwise, I wouldn't have to brinh it up.
 
76Texan said:
You're making stuffs up.
It was just a quick interview ahead of the Rams-Vikings game to talk about general things leading up to the game.
It was not an indepth interview to talk about Goff's career.

Many QBs even came out to say that it's not their job to mentor the rookie (like Aaron Rodgers).

For a guy (Goff) to say that much about his predecessor (Keenum) speaks volume.

But you don't even want to believe what Goff said; I have nothing further to add.

Just admit that as an Aggie, you have this anti-Keenum bias and move on.

I'm not wasting my time.
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I am not an Aggie. Stop making things up.

Do I have an anti-Keenum bias? I'm hoping he shows Stroud how to work really hard and overcome adversity.
 
76Texan said:
You keep on beating a dead horse.

I, like everybody else, knew that Keenum only had two official seasons.
Nobody was disputing that fact.

I was simply adding that it doesn't mean Keenum only had two years of experience in the NFL.
That would be guys like Davis Mills.

You never mention that fact in your original post; otherwise, I wouldn't have to brinh it up.
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Except you said it was incorrect facts. So now it is correct facts?

Please be consistent. Incorrect and incomplete are two different things.
 
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