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CJ Stroud Success Level (Mark it down)

Where do you think CJ Strouds success level will be in THREE years.

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sandman said:
Would you put Herbert there? With some of the younger guys it is too soon to tell, but right now I would say he is middling. Three years, great stats, but underperforming in the wins column and only one playoff game for a team that has been billed better than how they have played.
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That’s crossing the line. Herbert was severely injured on September 15th a Thursday Night game, leading against the eventual Super Bowl Champions KC Chiefs. He missed one snap, came back with broken rib cartilage and tried to give his team a chance but ultimately fell short 27-24.

Chiefs game was only 2nd game of the season. He missed none of rest of season, which I strongly condemned the Chargers for putting his health at risk for sake of winning (had no viable back-up in place). Despite ribs and shoulder injuries he threw for a middling 4,739 yards 25 TD’s and 10 INT’s. Yeah that is subpar for Justin Herbert, playing without his LT and both WR’s Kennan & Williams most of season.

But guess what? They fired Joe Lombardi after two seasons as OC and hired Kellen Moore of Cowboy fame to replace him. Extended both Keenan and Williams, drafted TCU WR Quentin Johnston in the first round and Slayer is coming back 100% recovered as his blind side protector, flipped Zion to LG, all pro Center Linsley returns, Salyer who was outstanding filling in LT to RG and Pipkins for the first time is healthy, coming out of his second offseason program with Duke Manyweather, and earned his second NFL contract going forward finally giving Herbert real protection.

Now if he struggles, 100% healthy, his teammates stay healthy (historically for them) and Kellen Moore has any inkling how to better drive Charger offense on a consistent basis, then yeah. Otherwise he will challenge any QB in the NFL to put up better numbers, anyone!
 
beerlover said:
Otherwise he will challenge any QB in the NFL to put up better numbers, anyone!
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I'm on your side, but we know it's not about "numbers."

I like Herbert & expected big things from him. But I'm starting to wonder if we're just seeing a repeat of the Phillip Rivers years. Rivers is one of my favorite QBs, loved his talents, skills, & especially the fire he played with.

Dude was on some great teams, but disappointed.

I like the move of adding Kellen Moore. Hopefully that's the missing link.

But contract time is coming up. Where are you now on Herbert? What would you like to see before you have to make that contract decision after this season?
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm on your side, but we know it's not about "numbers."

I like Herbert & expected big things from him. But I'm starting to wonder if we're just seeing a repeat of the Phillip Rivers years. Rivers is one of my favorite QBs, loved his talents, skills, & especially the fire he played with.

Dude was on some great teams, but disappointed.

I like the move of adding Kellen Moore. Hopefully that's the missing link.

But contract time is coming up. Where are you now on Herbert? What would you like to see before you have to make that contract decision after this season?
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Right, it's not just about the numbers. Great comp to Rivers. In my head I had Stafford, especially because of the tough as nails part to go with the stats. But Rivers is definitely spot on in terms of great teams that didn't deliver.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm on your side, but we know it's not about "numbers."

I like Herbert & expected big things from him. But I'm starting to wonder if we're just seeing a repeat of the Phillip Rivers years. Rivers is one of my favorite QBs, loved his talents, skills, & especially the fire he played with.

Dude was on some great teams, but disappointed.

I like the move of adding Kellen Moore. Hopefully that's the missing link.

But contract time is coming up. Where are you now on Herbert? What would you like to see before you have to make that contract decision after this season?
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Rivers never had the offensive line to protect Rivers, which defiantly bled into Herbert first three years. So for anyone interested? 3 years is a good estimate of how long it takes to do OL rebuild. It’s a difficult, costly endeavor but necessary to protect a franchise QB.

Chargers currently have minimal cap room, but it would be in their best interest to lock him up now, while still recovering from shoulder injury. Cruel, I know but it’s a cut throat business and if you miss these easy windows, they soon close & become difficult to impossible to accomplish.

With rib & shoulder impairment, Justin could no longer go to his full rotation over the top, simply too painful so I noticed the Rivers side arm slinging it downfield short & intermediate not the deep beautiful drop backs. I see the comparison’s and Charger fans more often than not still hold him in high regard and have empathy for never giving him the protection.
 
santo said:
Plus that ball that Stroud threw was all the way in back of the end zone. Harrison was the one that went back to get it, but of course those facts aren’t presented.
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Let's add that he was standing flat footed on the back end zone line so his feet would be inbounds, letting the lofted ball drop back down to him. The hit he took was on his shoulder while his feet were planted. He wasn't an exposed defenseless receiver. Bit of a fluke play as he was looking up and not seeing the defender.

He had also stepped out of the back of the end zone and come back into the field of play to catch that ball. Would the completion/TD been allowed had he held on to it? Or did he just have to re-establish himself in the field of play?
 
santo said:
Plus that ball that Stroud threw was all the way in back of the end zone. Harrison was the one that went back to get it, but of course those facts aren’t presented.
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Or fact that the game was up for grabs, desperation scenario, 1st 2nd and 3rd options covered, scrambling to buy time, into teeth of a strong wind (don’t remember exactly) Harrison & Stroud just never gave up on the play, the only way was to throw it up high, past back of endzone and let the wind push it back into play. One of the greatest throws I’ve ever seen, Harrison made the catch but as he was coming down the Georgia player landed a forearm shiver to the head. No call, for targeting, personal foul nothing as Harrison layed unconscious on the field. Travesty.
 
sandman said:
Would you put Herbert there? With some of the younger guys it is too soon to tell, but right now I would say he is middling. Three years, great stats, but underperforming in the wins column and only one playoff game for a team that has been billed better than how they have played.
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Yes

And I'm not a Staley fan either. He blew the Raiders game 2 years ago and cost his team a spot in the playoffs.
 
beerlover said:
Or fact that the game was up for grabs, desperation scenario, 1st 2nd and 3rd options covered, scrambling to buy time, into teeth of a strong wind (don’t remember exactly) Harrison & Stroud just never gave up on the play, the only way was to throw it up high, past back of endzone and let the wind push it back into play. One of the greatest throws I’ve ever seen, Harrison made the catch but as he was coming down the Georgia player landed a forearm shiver to the head. No call, for targeting, personal foul nothing as Harrison layed unconscious on the field. Travesty.
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That's football, or at least it used to be pre God'ell.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes

And I'm not a Staley fan either. He blew the Raiders game 2 years ago and cost his team a spot in the playoffs.
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He is a coaching enigma.

My first choice for Texans 2020. Also first candidate Texans interviewed.

Defensive Head Coach. DeMeco has a difficult transition, just hope Texan fans, in general are patient, except for the usual knuckleheads (Thunderkyss no need to ask).

To have perspective it takes exposure to other teams experiences, analytics, draft boards vs results. Knowing all this, there is no one way, but it does really evolve once you get your franchise QB, usually through the draft (exceptions Stafford/Rodgers) so schematically put pieces in place that elevate team as a whole.

Biggest miss for Texans was selecting Stingley over Sauce. That’s on Caserio and I believe driving force for giving up so much to get Will Anderson. Is what it is. Evaluate, miss, overpay but, you address and hit on a franchise player cost goes away. There are no more misses allowed this high up, it must work. I’m really not alarmed, in the end, this doesn’t work out very well for Texans and Chargers, even the Jets too. Times they are a’changing!
 
beerlover said:
He is a coaching enigma.

My first choice for Texans 2020. Also first candidate Texans interviewed.

Defensive Head Coach. DeMeco has a difficult transition, just hope Texan fans, in general are patient, except for the usual knuckleheads (Thunderkyss no need to ask).

To have perspective it takes exposure to other teams experiences, analytics, draft boards vs results. Knowing all this, there is no one way, but it does really evolve once you get your franchise QB, usually through the draft (exceptions Stafford/Rodgers) so schematically put pieces in place that elevate team as a whole.

Biggest miss for Texans was selecting Stingley over Sauce. That’s on Caserio and I believe driving force for giving up so much to get Will Anderson. Is what it is. Evaluate, miss, overpay but, you address and hit on a franchise player cost goes away. There are no more misses allowed this high up, it must work. I’m really not alarmed, in the end, this doesn’t work out very well for Texans and Chargers, even the Jets too. Times they are a’changing!
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1st part of the post I agree with, this is Herbert's yr 3 and Telesco still hasn't given Herbert a competent RT, TE, Speed wr. He's done Herbert a disservice.


Disagree about Caserio picking Stingley over Sauce. That was a Lovie pick.

Agreed about the Anderson pick. He was likely #1 on Caserio's board.
 
beerlover said:
Thanks for finding replay. Clearly he throws elbow to the helmet. You don’t see that?
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No, but I am getting old so maybe I am missing something...

Took some stills from the video....

Just before impact (and before the other defender blocks the view of his arm) - the safeties arm is down by his waist...

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At impact we can no longer see the arm - but it isn't around Harrisons head..

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Right after the impact with both falling to the ground you can see the right arm still down by the safeties ribs and not by Harrisons head...

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Last image I took, the safeties arm is still well below the head area on Harrison - was a hell of a hit, but looks to me like it was closer to a helmet to helmet that a forearm to the head...

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FuzzyLogic said:
No, but I am getting old so maybe I am missing something...

Took some stills from the video....

Just before impact (and before the other defender blocks the view of his arm) - the safeties arm is down by his waist...

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At impact we can no longer see the arm - but it isn't around Harrisons head..

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Right after the impact with both falling to the ground you can see the right arm still down by the safeties ribs and not by Harrisons head...

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Last image I took, the safeties arm is still well below the head area on Harrison - was a hell of a hit, but looks to me like it was closer to a helmet to helmet that a forearm to the head...

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You're ruining the narrative around these parts.
 
JB said:
Hard to say for sure, but looks like helmet to helmet to me
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Other angles clearly show there was no helmet contact and it was ruled not targeting. They had dozens of cameras for this game. Regardless at this juncture OSU was up by two scores and Harrison was sent to concussion protocol because Stroud threw a wounded duck falling backward off of his left leg. What the video of this play clearly shows is Stroud panicked under pressure.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Cognition tests.........including the S2 can definitely be prepped for. They all follow repeated patterns. Prep exercises are universally available. I have taken several cognition tests in the past.............and I have administered some to my surgical residents. Repetitive exposure to these tests tend to allow the test taker to improve his outcomes.
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Which makes me think CJ didn't prep. That on him for blowing it off if he did. Also, if I'm correct, the player is the only one who actually knows the score and I don't think he has ever said if that was his score. I have suspected that either (or both) the Colts or Titans put it out as a rumor as they both wanted him and were trying to trade up to get him and if he dropped it would be a cheaper trade.
 
edo783 said:
Which makes me think CJ didn't prep. That on him for blowing it off if he did. Also, if I'm correct, the player is the only one who actually knows the score and I don't think he has ever said if that was his score. I have suspected that either (or both) the Colts or Titans put it out as a rumor as they both wanted him and were trying to trade up to get him and if he dropped it would be a cheaper trade.
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Or nobody prepped/ told him about this test. Go look at his story on how he got to this point.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
For anyone interested. Here a good example of what a cognition test like the S2 is like.................take the practice test
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Its interesting that they claim that practice brings up scores and in less q two weeks you can improve record by over 42%. I'm guessing CJ blew this practice off. That's not a good thing, but I can understand a young guy doing it. His agent should have been on him to practice. The more I look into it the less I think CJ peeped like he should have.
 
Texian said:
Other angles clearly show there was no helmet contact and it was ruled not targeting. They had dozens of cameras for this game. Regardless at this juncture OSU was up by two scores and Harrison was sent to concussion protocol because Stroud threw a wounded duck falling backward off of his left leg. What the video of this play clearly shows is Stroud panicked under pressure.
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So it was Inertia? Give me a break. I’m positive you did not see it happen in real time. Bang, bang malicious intent. And they got away with it. Georgia was up 35-24 so it was a must have scoring possession for Buckeyes. Stroud kept play alive, despite total loss of pass protection, so overrated they are, Nigiba out, one go to weapon, big plays big players, inter seed referees 👎🏽
 
edo783 said:
Looks like his agent failed him. Maybe he will fire him. That will quite Steel a bit.
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He wasn’t his agent in high school and his first two years of college.
I’m not trying to get my comments deleted talking about that dude.
 
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edo783 said:
Which makes me think CJ didn't prep. That on him for blowing it off if he did. Also, if I'm correct, the player is the only one who actually knows the score and I don't think he has ever said if that was his score. I have suspected that either (or both) the Colts or Titans put it out as a rumor as they both wanted him and were trying to trade up to get him and if he dropped it would be a cheaper trade.
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The fact that he doesn’t like to test and study makes me wonder how much time he will put in in the QB room studying and preparing for the week‘s opponent?
 
edo783 said:
Which makes me think CJ didn't prep. That on him for blowing it off if he did. Also, if I'm correct, the player is the only one who actually knows the score and I don't think he has ever said if that was his score. I have suspected that either (or both) the Colts or Titans put it out as a rumor as they both wanted him and were trying to trade up to get him and if he dropped it would be a cheaper trade.
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He couldn't do the prep himself?


So is he dumb or lazy or a product of the people he hangs with?
 
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edo783 said:
Which makes me think CJ didn't prep. That on him for blowing it off if he did. Also, if I'm correct, the player is the only one who actually knows the score and I don't think he has ever said if that was his score. I have suspected that either (or both) the Colts or Titans put it out as a rumor as they both wanted him and were trying to trade up to get him and if he dropped it would be a cheaper trade.
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Texansballer74 said:
Or nobody prepped/ told him about this test. Go look at his story on how he got to this point.
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Texansballer74 said:
He wasn’t his agent in high school nor college.
I’m not trying to get my comments deleted talking about that dude.
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I have 3 comments re. previous postings. 1] Stroud essentially admitted that he did poorly on the S2 test. 2] Stroud took the S2 test several times. 3] Stroud hired Mulugheta by at least Jan. 1 of this year............at least 2 months prior to the Combine, plenty of time to prep.
 
JB said:
WTF?
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The comment by steel said that the player didn’t hit Harrison in the head and it was ruining the narrative around here. And then your play shows that the contact was helmet to helmet. I was trying to use his words against but apparently I shouldn’t give up my day job.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Welcome to the board, but you guys still owe us an insane psycho-karmic debt for all the beat-downs we had to take at the hands of Manning and Luck.

There were several guys over here stumping for Richardson over Stroud. There could be epic battles in our future.
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Lol I think the people stumping for Richardson over Stroud are obsessed with upside. Upside is only good if they reach it and even though I expect and intense battle as division games are rarely easy. Im sure yall are glad hilton is gone. I like our receivers on paper but not sure if Richardson is accurate enough to ultilize them properly. Looking ahead I think the jags could be the biggest obstacle in the division for both of us. Especially if Lawrence lives up to the hype.
 
mussop said:
He got trucked by a cheap shot. I’m not sure Stroud didn’t try throw that ball away. He had half the defense in his face. Is that somehow supposed to prove Stroud isn’t going to be a good QB?
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I've never said Stroud won't be a good QB.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I've never said Stroud won't be a good QB.
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You’ve also never been exactly in his corner. Calling him average, middling, outside top 15 looking in. Well to be fair -
  1. Mahomes
  2. Burrough
  3. Allen
  4. Hurts
  5. Jackson
  6. Herbert
  7. Lawrence
  8. Rodgers
  9. Prescott
  10. Fields
  11. Cousins
  12. Geno Smith
  13. Goff
  14. Tua
  15. Carr
 
beerlover said:
You’ve also never been exactly in his corner. Calling him average, middling, outside top 15 looking in. Well to be fair -
  1. Mahomes
  2. Burrough
  3. Allen
  4. Hurts
  5. Jackson
  6. Herbert
  7. Lawrence
  8. Rodgers
  9. Prescott
  10. Fields
  11. Cousins
  12. Geno Smith
  13. Goff
  14. Tua
  15. Carr
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Flip Rodgers and Jackson. LJ can't stay healthy at the end of yrs. I might even put Rodgers higher on the list. He was a 2 time MVP the 2 years before last year and it's obvious that he still has talent.

Can't believe you are so high on Fields.
 
steelbtexan said:
Flip Rodgers and Jackson. LJ can't stay healthy at the end of yrs. I might even put Rodgers higher on the list. He was a 2 time MVP the 2 years before last year and it's obvious that he still has talent.

Can't believe you are so high on Fields.
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Bears must agree, they passed on Bryce Young. Whom is not in top 15 either because like Stroud hasn’t done a damn thing yet. Now if you want to project into rookie seasons, that’s pure speculation.

You think Chargers would trade Herbert for Rodgers? Jacksonville Trevor Lawerence for Rodgers?
 
beerlover said:
Bears must agree, they passed on Bryce Young. Whom is not in top 15 either because like Stroud hasn’t done a damn thing yet. Now if you want to project into rookie seasons, that’s pure speculation.

You think Chargers would trade Herbert for Rodgers? Jacksonville Trevor Lawerence for Rodgers?
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I'm talking about next year. You're talking about potential down the road. Potential has gotten a lot of GM's fired.
 
Admit to being old school, these new analytic models do projecting that would be subjectively impossible for me to do, but here is one (not my opinion) -
Rd1.No.2. CJ Stroud, QB, Ohio State: The Texans truly are a good quarterback away from being a competitive team and Stroud ultimately holds the keys to success. Projection: 16 games played, 15 starts, 299 completions, 475 attempts, 2,988 passing yards, 15 touchdowns, 14 interceptions (140 rushing yards). Impact Factor: 8.6
 
beerlover said:
Admit to being old school, these new analytic models do projecting that would be subjectively impossible for me to do, but here is one (not my opinion) -
Rd1.No.2. CJ Stroud, QB, Ohio State: The Texans truly are a good quarterback away from being a competitive team and Stroud ultimately holds the keys to success. Projection: 16 games played, 15 starts, 299 completions, 475 attempts, 2,988 passing yards, 15 touchdowns, 14 interceptions (140 rushing yards). Impact Factor: 8.6
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This was essentially Davis Mills in 2022...possible but not encouraging for CJ Stroud if happens this way

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