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steelbtexan

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Fair, I won't argue that one. I wasn't old enough to really watch them, so I repeated what I grew up hearing my Dad and Grandpa said.


I'm not comparing Stroud to those guys. I'm just stating that a great QB can't win without a good enough team with him, while a worse QB can win with a good enough team.


He probably did, at least on the offensive side of the ball. I don't think that means he lost it for his team, though; I think he played well enough to win that game against Georgia.



And I think that's a problem. We've talked about this- while I do think the Texans made the right pick with Stroud, I don't think they've given him enough weapons. I'm not sure that Scruggs is an upgrade this season, and I'm not confident that Dell is going to have anywhere near the success in getting open that he had in college. Hutchinson is a JAG, IMO, I'm actually more intrigued by the UDFA they signed out of Pitt.

We'll see, though; I hope I am wrong, but if not, I hope the Texans are looking at WR and TE in free agency, on the trade block, and in the 2024 draft.
True, all Stroud need to win a championship is the Bears 85 or the Ravens defense. Easy Peasy

As an OSU fan, you've got to admit he was avg at best in the 4th qtr.


It's doubtful in the nest 3 yrs Stroud will have WR's as good as OSU has had over the next 3 seasons. I guess they could suck and get Harrison then trade up for the other E- Dude WR. Then draft Stover in the 3rd rd. In fact this looks like a pretty good idea.

No excuses this yr though if he's better than Mills because Mills sucks according to many around these parts. I'm not a Mills fanboy either, I think Mills is a 20-25 type starter with better talent around him.
 

sandman

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Umm, disagree, Montana and Elway were the best during that time. Stroud being compared to those guys is laughable. Would you say Stroud had enough talent around him to win a NC? One things for sure, he wont have the level of receiving talent aroud him that he had at OSU.
I see Montana and Elway as being great QB's because they got their teams to multiple SB's. But Marino was the most gifted QB of his generation.

His 5,084 yards in 1984 was a record that stood for 27 years. His 48 TDs that same year was a record that stood for 20 years. He passed for 4,000 yards something like 7 times in his first decade back when it was not the norm that it is today. In the last two 16-game seasons alone there were 25 QB's who got 4,000+ yards.
 

OptimisticTexan

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I dont care about his good to great plays, or his bad plays for that matter. I'm looking for consistency and Stroud playing well in clutch situations. Numbers dont really impress me.
…..that’s fair, but you might want to give him a season and then re-visit the topic.

On a side note, I was more than willing to see the Texans go into 2023 with Mills and Keenum b/c the team would have more talent surrounding them. Not to mention having Ryans and his new staff on board.

I mention this b/c it would’ve been fair to Mills to have everything around him be a little better, but the Texans drafted Stroud so he’s going to be leading this offense. I will extend the same exact desire to see Stroud exceed as I was giving Mills.
 

JB

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I said 10-15 and that's my opinion. Like I said I hope he 's Mahomes.

What's wrong with this?
Really?

I will still root for him even though I think he's only going to be a little bit better version of all of the other OSU QB busts. You can hope the QB of your team does well, even if you dont think he will do well? Right, or are we just supposed to take a giant sip of the koolaid and go rah rah?
You are all over the place, or is 10-15 only slightly better than a bust?
 

Texansballer74

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Fair, I won't argue that one. I wasn't old enough to really watch them, so I repeated what I grew up hearing my Dad and Grandpa said.


I'm not comparing Stroud to those guys. I'm just stating that a great QB can't win without a good enough team with him, while a worse QB can win with a good enough team.


He probably did, at least on the offensive side of the ball. I don't think that means he lost it for his team, though; I think he played well enough to win that game against Georgia.



And I think that's a problem. We've talked about this- while I do think the Texans made the right pick with Stroud, I don't think they've given him enough weapons. I'm not sure that Scruggs is an upgrade this season, and I'm not confident that Dell is going to have anywhere near the success in getting open that he had in college. Hutchinson is a JAG, IMO, I'm actually more intrigued by the UDFA they signed out of Pitt.

We'll see, though; I hope I am wrong, but if not, I hope the Texans are looking at WR and TE in free agency, on the trade block, and in the 2024 draft.
The Texans have Shultz atTE, DP and Singletary at RB, Metchie ( will be solid), Collins ( solid when healthy), Woods a very solid veteran and they drafted IMO the best receiver in this years draft ( Tank Dell). They have some weapons for Stroud and or Mills. They might not be elite but it’s enough.
 

thunderkyss

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The Texans have Shultz atTE, DP and Singletary at RB, Metchie ( will be solid), Collins ( solid when healthy), Woods a very solid veteran and they drafted IMO the best receiver in this years draft ( Tank Dell). They have some weapons for Stroud and or Mills. They might not be elite but it’s enough.
I’m thinking they could do some good things with Schultz, Metchie, & Tank. Nico should be icing if he can just stay healthy
 

Double Barrel

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How many QB's that have won championships have been trainwrecks off of the field? Yes, he's 21yrs old, so far his choice of people makes you think the guy isn't to bright. Which was also reflected in testing.

Odds are they screwed up the rebuild and if this shows in 3 yrs Caserio should be fired.
Brett Favre was hooked on painkillers and texts his junk to female reporters. So drug abuser and pervert.

John Elway refused to play for the Colts if they drafted him. Talk about a diva.

Tom Brady played fast and loose with the league rules. Obvious cheater.

Peyton Manning was dragging his junk across female trainers in college. Disgusting pervert.

Ben Roethlisberger was accused of sexual assault by multiple women and settled out of court. Another disgusting pervert.

Shall I continue to dig? These were just off the top of my head.

CJ has done NOTHING to be persecuted and basically said to be incorrigible by you, but yet here you are, acting like this 21 year old is already beyond repair.

Mulleghetta is a pos. That's what this is all about. CJ Stroud sees how he operates, why would he want to be associated with that?

I understand players wanting to be represented by the best, but if he thinks Mullegetta is the best, using the tactics he does, something ain't right.
I hate to break your naivety bubble, but every sports agent is a slimy opportunist. :pop:

These guys are nothing but middle men that make millions off the talent of their clients without doing anything but talk and prepare paperwork.

I said 10-15 and that's my opinion. Like I said I hope he 's Mahomes.

What's wrong with this?
"What's wrong" is there is, and only ever will be, ONE Pat Mahomes. There will never be another guy like him, just like there will never be another Tom Brady.

These guys will be in the special section of the football HoF, along with a handful of others like Deion Sanders, Jerry Rice, and Lawrence Taylor.

If your expectations and standard are Mahomes, then you're never going to be happy even if they win a championship.
 

DBCooper

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Brett Favre was hooked on painkillers and texts his junk to female reporters. So drug abuser and pervert.

John Elway refused to play for the Colts if they drafted him. Talk about a diva.

Tom Brady played fast and loose with the league rules. Obvious cheater.

Peyton Manning was dragging his junk across female trainers in college. Disgusting pervert.

Ben Roethlisberger was accused of sexual assault by multiple women and settled out of court. Another disgusting pervert.

Shall I continue to dig? These were just off the top of my head.

CJ has done NOTHING to be persecuted and basically said to be incorrigible by you, but yet here you are, acting like this 21 year old is already beyond repair.



I hate to break your naivety bubble, but every sports agent is a slimy opportunist. :pop:

These guys are nothing but middle men that make millions off the talent of their clients without doing anything but talk and prepare paperwork.



"What's wrong" is there is, and only ever will be, ONE Pat Mahomes. There will never be another guy like him, just like there will never be another Tom Brady.

These guys will be in the special section of the football HoF, along with a handful of others like Deion Sanders, Jerry Rice, and Lawrence Taylor.

If your expectations and standard are Mahomes, then you're never going to be happy even if they win a championship.
Damn….
 

TexansBull

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Brett Favre was hooked on painkillers and texts his junk to female reporters. So drug abuser and pervert.

John Elway refused to play for the Colts if they drafted him. Talk about a diva.

Tom Brady played fast and loose with the league rules. Obvious cheater.

Peyton Manning was dragging his junk across female trainers in college. Disgusting pervert.

Ben Roethlisberger was accused of sexual assault by multiple women and settled out of court. Another disgusting pervert.

Shall I continue to dig? These were just off the top of my head.

CJ has done NOTHING to be persecuted and basically said to be incorrigible by you, but yet here you are, acting like this 21 year old is already beyond repair.



I hate to break your naivety bubble, but every sports agent is a slimy opportunist. :pop:

These guys are nothing but middle men that make millions off the talent of their clients without doing anything but talk and prepare paperwork.



"What's wrong" is there is, and only ever will be, ONE Pat Mahomes. There will never be another guy like him, just like there will never be another Tom Brady.

These guys will be in the special section of the football HoF, along with a handful of others like Deion Sanders, Jerry Rice, and Lawrence Taylor.

If your expectations and standard are Mahomes, then you're never going to be happy even if they win a championship.
 

steelbtexan

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I see Montana and Elway as being great QB's because they got their teams to multiple SB's. But Marino was the most gifted QB of his generation.

His 5,084 yards in 1984 was a record that stood for 27 years. His 48 TDs that same year was a record that stood for 20 years. He passed for 4,000 yards something like 7 times in his first decade back when it was not the norm that it is today. In the last two 16-game seasons alone there were 25 QB's who got 4,000+ yards.
Elway had more natural ability than Marino. Elway could run Marino couldn't. Elway came up clutch in the playoffs (The Drive) and the early SB teams weren't even the best teams in their conference, but Elway willed them to win.
 

steelbtexan

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…..that’s fair, but you might want to give him a season and then re-visit the topic.

On a side note, I was more than willing to see the Texans go into 2023 with Mills and Keenum b/c the team would have more talent surrounding them. Not to mention having Ryans and his new staff on board.

I mention this b/c it would’ve been fair to Mills to have everything around him be a little better, but the Texans drafted Stroud so he’s going to be leading this offense. I will extend the same exact desire to see Stroud exceed as I was giving Mills.
Stroud should be much better than Mills next yr.
 

Texansballer74

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Brett Favre was hooked on painkillers and texts his junk to female reporters. So drug abuser and pervert.

John Elway refused to play for the Colts if they drafted him. Talk about a diva.

Tom Brady played fast and loose with the league rules. Obvious cheater.

Peyton Manning was dragging his junk across female trainers in college. Disgusting pervert.

Ben Roethlisberger was accused of sexual assault by multiple women and settled out of court. Another disgusting pervert.

Shall I continue to dig? These were just off the top of my head.

CJ has done NOTHING to be persecuted and basically said to be incorrigible by you, but yet here you are, acting like this 21 year old is already beyond repair.



I hate to break your naivety bubble, but every sports agent is a slimy opportunist. :pop:

These guys are nothing but middle men that make millions off the talent of their clients without doing anything but talk and prepare paperwork.



"What's wrong" is there is, and only ever will be, ONE Pat Mahomes. There will never be another guy like him, just like there will never be another Tom Brady.

These guys will be in the special section of the football HoF, along with a handful of others like Deion Sanders, Jerry Rice, and Lawrence Taylor.

If your expectations and standard are Mahomes, then you're never going to be happy even if they win a championship.
And look here both Sanders and Taylor had some off the field issues. A bunch of players back then we’re on drugs big time. But dude is on here crucifying Stroud and for what.
 

sandman

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Elway had more natural ability than Marino. Elway could run Marino couldn't. Elway came up clutch in the playoffs (The Drive) and the early SB teams weren't even the best teams in their conference, but Elway willed them to win.
I'm not going to get into an argument about who was a better QB. Both were great HoF players. You are focusing on SB appearances. I am focusing on stats.

We remember Elway in the last 5 years of his career throwing a lot of yards and TDs, but for the first decade of his career he only threw 20+ touchdowns once (22 in 1985). Had more INTs than TD's in five different years.

Marino had a three year stretch right after his rookie year where he had 14k yards and 122 TDs. That is insane even by today's standards, much less the early 80's when QB's weren't protected.

Drafted same year, Marino retired one year later than Elway, yet threw 120 more touchdowns.

Elway was an amazing competitor. A great leader. Super Bowl winner. Loved watching him play. But pure QB skills and talent? Marino.
 

Decim8

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Brett Favre was hooked on painkillers and texts his junk to female reporters. So drug abuser and pervert.

John Elway refused to play for the Colts if they drafted him. Talk about a diva.

Tom Brady played fast and loose with the league rules. Obvious cheater.

Peyton Manning was dragging his junk across female trainers in college. Disgusting pervert.

Ben Roethlisberger was accused of sexual assault by multiple women and settled out of court. Another disgusting pervert.

Shall I continue to dig? These were just off the top of my head.

CJ has done NOTHING to be persecuted and basically said to be incorrigible by you, but yet here you are, acting like this 21 year old is already beyond repair.



I hate to break your naivety bubble, but every sports agent is a slimy opportunist. :pop:

These guys are nothing but middle men that make millions off the talent of their clients without doing anything but talk and prepare paperwork.



"What's wrong" is there is, and only ever will be, ONE Pat Mahomes. There will never be another guy like him, just like there will never be another Tom Brady.

These guys will be in the special section of the football HoF, along with a handful of others like Deion Sanders, Jerry Rice, and Lawrence Taylor.

If your expectations and standard are Mahomes, then you're never going to be happy even if they win a championship.
:bravo:
 

steelbtexan

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I'm not going to get into an argument about who was a better QB. Both were great HoF players. You are focusing on SB appearances. I am focusing on stats.

We remember Elway in the last 5 years of his career throwing a lot of yards and TDs, but for the first decade of his career he only threw 20+ touchdowns once (22 in 1985). Had more INTs than TD's in five different years.

Marino had a three year stretch right after his rookie year where he had 14k yards and 122 TDs. That is insane even by today's standards, much less the early 80's when QB's weren't protected.

Drafted same year, Marino retired one year later than Elway, yet threw 120 more touchdowns.

Elway was an amazing competitor. A great leader. Super Bowl winner. Loved watching him play. But pure QB skills and talent? Marino.
Disagree and that's fine.
 

steelbtexan

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Brett Favre was hooked on painkillers and texts his junk to female reporters. So drug abuser and pervert.

John Elway refused to play for the Colts if they drafted him. Talk about a diva.

Tom Brady played fast and loose with the league rules. Obvious cheater.

Peyton Manning was dragging his junk across female trainers in college. Disgusting pervert.

Ben Roethlisberger was accused of sexual assault by multiple women and settled out of court. Another disgusting pervert.

Shall I continue to dig? These were just off the top of my head.

CJ has done NOTHING to be persecuted and basically said to be incorrigible by you, but yet here you are, acting like this 21 year old is already beyond repair.



I hate to break your naivety bubble, but every sports agent is a slimy opportunist. :pop:

These guys are nothing but middle men that make millions off the talent of their clients without doing anything but talk and prepare paperwork.



"What's wrong" is there is, and only ever will be, ONE Pat Mahomes. There will never be another guy like him, just like there will never be another Tom Brady.

These guys will be in the special section of the football HoF, along with a handful of others like Deion Sanders, Jerry Rice, and Lawrence Taylor.

If your expectations and standard are Mahomes, then you're never going to be happy even if they win a championship.
Favre was the only dumb QB you listed. I would settle for Burrow, Herbert,Allen, Hurts. Stroud isn't any of these guys. IMHO
 

Buckeye Homer

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Fair, I won't argue that one. I wasn't old enough to really watch them, so I repeated what I grew up hearing my Dad and Grandpa said.


I'm not comparing Stroud to those guys. I'm just stating that a great QB can't win without a good enough team with him, while a worse QB can win with a good enough team.


He probably did, at least on the offensive side of the ball. I don't think that means he lost it for his team, though; I think he played well enough to win that game against Georgia.



And I think that's a problem. We've talked about this- while I do think the Texans made the right pick with Stroud, I don't think they've given him enough weapons. I'm not sure that Scruggs is an upgrade this season, and I'm not confident that Dell is going to have anywhere near the success in getting open that he had in college. Hutchinson is a JAG, IMO, I'm actually more intrigued by the UDFA they signed out of Pitt.

We'll see, though; I hope I am wrong, but if not, I hope the Texans are looking at WR and TE in free agency, on the trade block, and in the 2024 draft.
It won't be easy for Stroud if every time he drops back all of his receivers are covered. I do actually like the two receiver picks in the draft. Let's hope that Stroud and the receivers get together every day to work on their timing and develop chemistry.
 

Buckeye Homer

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As an OSU fan, you've got to admit he was avg at best in the 4th qtr.
Against Georgia CJ was 23 for 34 with 348 passing yards, 4 passing TD's and ZERO interceptions. He also ran 12 times for 34 yards.

CJ also had the highest QB rating in the nation last year and the second-highest QB rating in 21' as a redshirt freshman.

 

steelbtexan

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Against Georgia CJ was 23 for 34 with 348 passing yards, 4 passing TD's and ZERO interceptions. He also ran 12 times for 34 yards.

CJ also had the highest QB rating in the nation last year and the second-highest QB rating in 21' as a redshirt freshman.

And has never won a big game in his college career.

BTW, as a Buckeye Homer, Are the Buckeyes favored to win the Big 10 this yr?
 

steelbtexan

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I wouldn't describe him as a little better than a bust
I consider Schaub to be a mid tier QB, which is what I believe Stroud will become. That's not what I want for the team I root for, a mid tier QB is a death sentence if you want to win a championship. You either need a top 5-7 QB or a great team around the QB, or a team with a great defense/run game. I dont think Stroud will ever be a top 5 QB.

Truth is you really only need a QB to perform like a top 5 QB for 4 games to win a championship. Dak is currently struggling with this, so did Moon etc... Couldn't string 4 great games together.

Everybody knows how I feel about this and we will see where they stand after 3 yrs. So I'm going to bow out of this conversation. I'll leave you with this, NO EXCUSES
 

Buckeye Homer

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Michigan has a top 3 QB in the 2024 draft. Dont know much about the teams except OSU is once again loaded at the skill positions.
I doubt he'll be top 3. Michigan's running game is outstanding. Their defense should again be solid. Ohio State has to play in Ann Arbor. Ryan Day needs to get it done this year or he's going to start feeling some heat. Ohio State hadn't previously lost two consecutive games to Michigan since 1999/2000.
 

steelbtexan

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I doubt he'll be top 3. Michigan's running game is outstanding. Their defense should again be solid. Ohio State has to play in Ann Arbor. Ryan Day needs to get it done this year or he's going to start feeling some heat. Ohio State hadn't previously lost two consecutive games to Michigan since 1999/2000.
I rate McCarthy on the Williams/Maye scale. Much higher than you obviously do. Agreed about Day, he does less with more. IMHO
 

JB

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I consider Schaub to be a mid tier QB, which is what I believe Stroud will become. That's not what I want for the team I root for, a mid tier QB is a death sentence if you want to win a championship. You either need a top 5-7 QB or a great team around the QB, or a team with a great defense/run game. I dont think Stroud will ever be a top 5 QB.

Truth is you really only need a QB to perform like a top 5 QB for 4 games to win a championship. Dak is currently struggling with this, so did Moon etc... Couldn't string 4 great games together.

Everybody knows how I feel about this and we will see where they stand after 3 yrs. So I'm going to bow out of this conversation. I'll leave you with this, NO EXCUSES
I know how you feel. I don't understand why you keep making comments like 'Stroud will be little better than OSU busts'. Mid tier level is far from that. Cousins, Stafford, Eli Manning, et al. were mid tier level QB's
 

steelbtexan

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I know how you feel. I don't understand why you keep making comments like 'Stroud will be little better than OSU busts'. Mid tier level is far from that. Cousins, Stafford, Eli Manning, et al. were mid tier level QB's
Cousins is a pretty good comp.

Stafford/Manning perform their best when the lights are the brightest.
 

steelbtexan

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The same guy that threw 2 pick 6's in the playoff game vs TCU? I guess you don't like Williams and Maye that much.
Yet he beat the vaunted Buckeyes and Stroud 2 yrs in a row after not beating the Buckeyes for almost a decade.
 

Lucky

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Yet he beat the vaunted Buckeyes and Stroud 2 yrs in a row after not beating the Buckeyes for almost a decade.
Was it McCarthy that ran for the 2 80 yard TDs?

McCarthy isn’t even on the radar for this draft. I doubt he comes out. But hey, the Texans can always wait for 2025, right?
 

steelbtexan

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Was it McCarthy that ran for the 2 80 yard TDs?

McCarthy isn’t even on the radar for this draft. I doubt he comes out. But hey, the Texans can always wait for 2025, right?
McCarthy made the plays in the 4th quarter he needed to make to help win the game

You know the kinds of plays that don't show up on the stat sheet. On 3rd and 4 running for 5 yds.

Does it bother you that every other QB for the past decade other than Stroud has been able to beat Michigan?
 

sandman

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McCarthy made the plays in the 4th quarter he needed to make to help win the game

You know the kinds of plays that don't show up on the stat sheet. On 3rd and 4 running for 5 yds.

Does it bother you that every other QB for the past decade other than Stroud has been able to beat Michigan?
In the last decade? When Michigan has been a middling team except the last two years when they won the Big Ten, were ranked in the top 5 and went to the CFP playoffs?

In Harbaugh's first 6 years they played for the Big 10 title once (lost) and had a final top 10 ranking only once. Throw in Brady Hoke's last two seasons to get the full decade you are using and they were 1-5 in lower-level bowl games and finished higher than 3rd place in their division only once in those 8 years. They were literally the TAMU of the Big 10.

Michigan hasn't been relevant as a football program for almost 20 years. That says more about how Harbaugh finally turned that program around the last two seasons than it does about Stroud's ability to beat them.
 

Double Barrel

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So I'm going to bow out of this conversation. I'll leave you with this, NO EXCUSES
You say this, but yet:

I rate McCarthy on the Williams/Maye scale. Much higher than you obviously do. Agreed about Day, he does less with more. IMHO
Cousins is a pretty good comp.

Stafford/Manning perform their best when the lights are the brightest.
Yet he beat the vaunted Buckeyes and Stroud 2 yrs in a row after not beating the Buckeyes for almost a decade.
McCarthy made the plays in the 4th quarter he needed to make to help win the game

You know the kinds of plays that don't show up on the stat sheet. On 3rd and 4 running for 5 yds.

Does it bother you that every other QB for the past decade other than Stroud has been able to beat Michigan?
Short of multiple Super Bowl championships, MVPs, and a HoF career, I fully expect you to dog CJ like he owes you money until he's retired. lol
 

steelbtexan

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You say this, but yet:






Short of multiple Super Bowl championships, MVPs, and a HoF career, I fully expect you to dog CJ like he owes you money until he's retired. lol
He's the 1-2 pick in the draft for a reason. Yes, that's exactly what I expect from 1-2:in a draft. Otherwise it's a waste of a pick.

Things like injuries change things, but I expect 1-2 to be Burrow like in short order, 3 years. If he's not then it will be wise to move on rather than sign him to the cap killing contract DM will want if Stroud is even a middling QB.

Good news is for his fans, as long as the fans comeback Cal won't care and he will pay Stroud regardless.
 

steelbtexan

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In the last decade? When Michigan has been a middling team except the last two years when they won the Big Ten, were ranked in the top 5 and went to the CFP playoffs?

In Harbaugh's first 6 years they played for the Big 10 title once (lost) and had a final top 10 ranking only once. Throw in Brady Hoke's last two seasons to get the full decade you are using and they were 1-5 in lower-level bowl games and finished higher than 3rd place in their division only once in those 8 years. They were literally the TAMU of the Big 10.

Michigan hasn't been relevant as a football program for almost 20 years. That says more about how Harbaugh finally turned that program around the last two seasons than it does about Stroud's ability to beat them.
Stroud helped contribute to the Michigan revitalization.
 
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