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CJ Stroud playing basketball at Snoop Dog's place

Texansballer74

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Criticism is allowed, politics are not. Simple as that
Talking about a person in that manner is not criticism and he shouldn’t be allowed period. Just like attacking members on here, these players shouldn’t be attacked eithers.

And new dude was using that as an example. He wasn’t talking politics like that’s.
 
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banned1976

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This board isn't (nor should it) going to start reprimanding and censoring people just because they say they don't like certain players. Doesn't work that way, TB74. If you don't like the opinions of others, put them on ignore or just glide past their posts. I'd hate for this board to become an echo chamber.

Of course, I hold no sway over the administrator of this board or the moderators, and although I don't know any of them personally, they appear to be tolerant of differing opinions. And I for one appreciate it.

BTW, as soon as I saw this thread get posted, I knew how it was going to turn out. Snoop Dogg is a pretty polarizing character.
 

Texansballer74

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This board isn't (nor should it) going to start reprimanding and censoring people just because they say they don't like certain players. Doesn't work that way, TB74. If you don't like the opinions of others, put them on ignore or just glide past their posts. I'd hate for this board to become an echo chamber.

Of course, I hold no sway over the administrator of this board or the moderators, and although I don't know any of them personally, they appear to be tolerant of differing opinions. And I for one appreciate it.
Brother I don’t care about that. Be critical all day if you want. But to constantly judgmental of a player’s character all because you don’t like who they hung out with is pretty darn ridiculous. That young man is not out there committing crimes. He’s not out there doing stupid stuff. He’s an humbled kid as well as a young man striving to be great. But hey let’s come on every day and tear this young man down. How about sticking to what he does on the football field. And stop looking for stuff to crap on him. He’s a Texans now, so get use to it.
And I’m not the only one defending the young man but you just had to call out ole TB huh
 

Double Barrel

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So none of y’all would hang out with Willy Nelson huh.
I'd hang out with Snoop and Willie at the same time! :howdy:

What a jam we would have! A slow, very slow jam, of course, considering life would be in slow motion for a bit. lol

This board isn't (nor should it) going to start reprimanding and censoring people just because they say they don't like certain players. Doesn't work that way, TB74. If you don't like the opinions of others, put them on ignore or just glide past their posts. I'd hate for this board to become an echo chamber.

Of course, I hold no sway over the administrator of this board or the moderators, and although I don't know any of them personally, they appear to be tolerant of differing opinions. And I for one appreciate it.

BTW, as soon as I saw this thread get posted, I knew how it was going to turn out. Snoop Dogg is a pretty polarizing character.
Well said. As always, attack the post, not the poster. No arguing politics or religion. And everyone is free to like or dislike a public personae.

I just wish folks would keep in mind that these players are nothing but entertainers. Yes, they are people, but ultimately to you and I, they are merely our entertainers.

Brother I don’t care about that. Be critical all day if you want. But to constantly judgmental of a player’s character all because you don’t like who they hung out with is pretty darn ridiculous. That young man is not out there committing crimes. He’s not out there doing stupid stuff. He’s an humbled kid as well as a young man striving to be great. But hey let’s come on every day and tear this young man down. How about sticking to what he does on the football field. And stop looking for stuff to crap on him. He’s a Texans now, so get use to it.
And I’m not the only one defending the young man but you just had to call out ole TB huh
If he wins a lot, 99% of this goes away. :shades:
 

Lucky

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steelbtexan

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Really?


I'm sure CJ would thank you for your "support".
I will still root for him even though I think he's only going to be a little bit better version of all of the other OSU QB busts. You can hope the QB of your team does well, even if you dont think he will do well? Right, or are we just supposed to take a giant sip of the koolaid and go rah rah?
 

The Pencil Neck

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Rancho Cucamonga is now... <checking notes> ... inner city.

Downtown LA - 45 miles away

NASCAR California Motor Speedway - 5 miles away

RC is at the base of Mt Baldy which is like the highest peak in the Angeles National Forest

They have a Trader Joe's, Whole Foods and an outlet mall, FFS.
I was in a band that opened up for Lisa Loeb in a club in Rancho Cucamonga when she started touring her #1 single back in... 94...?
 

Double Barrel

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I will still root for him even though I think he's only going to be a little bit better version of all of the other OSU QB busts. You can hope the QB of your team does well, even if you dont think he will do well? Right, or are we just supposed to take a giant sip of the koolaid and go rah rah?
If there was ever a time to be hopeful and optimistic, now is that time during DeMeco's honeymoon phase.

Especially after the last several years and before the reality of the 2023 season! lol At least that's my approach. It was either try to be positive or just stop watching football for me.

I completely understand the analysis and critical eye of CJ's play on the field. It's all fair game.

But (IMO), where things go off the rails is the criticism of the kid off the field, before there is anything certain and before anything has actually happened (and yeah, to this 56 yo, he's still just a kid).

I just think of all the HoF players that were absolute trainwrecks off the field. Lawrence Taylor comes to mind. These guys are human like us, so very fallible and imperfect. But, I can't persecute someone for everyone else's history. He's got to make his own history and hopefully he takes the high ground and is a good citizen.
 

steelbtexan

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If there was ever a time to be hopeful and optimistic, now is that time during DeMeco's honeymoon phase.

Especially after the last several years and before the reality of the 2023 season! lol At least that's my approach. It was either try to be positive or just stop watching football for me.

I completely understand the analysis and critical eye of CJ's play on the field. It's all fair game.

But (IMO), where things go off the rails is the criticism of the kid off the field, before there is anything certain and before anything has actually happened (and yeah, to this 56 yo, he's still just a kid).

I just think of all the HoF players that were absolute trainwrecks off the field. Lawrence Taylor comes to mind. These guys are human like us, so very fallible and imperfect. But, I can't persecute someone for everyone else's history. He's got to make his own history and hopefully he takes the high ground and is a good citizen.
How many QB's that have won championships have been trainwrecks off of the field? Yes, he's 21yrs old, so far his choice of people makes you think the guy isn't to bright. Which was also reflected in testing.

Odds are they screwed up the rebuild and if this shows in 3 yrs Caserio should be fired.
 

Texansballer74

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If there was ever a time to be hopeful and optimistic, now is that time during DeMeco's honeymoon phase.

Especially after the last several years and before the reality of the 2023 season! lol At least that's my approach. It was either try to be positive or just stop watching football for me.

I completely understand the analysis and critical eye of CJ's play on the field. It's all fair game.

But (IMO), where things go off the rails is the criticism of the kid off the field, before there is anything certain and before anything has actually happened (and yeah, to this 56 yo, he's still just a kid).

I just think of all the HoF players that were absolute trainwrecks off the field. Lawrence Taylor comes to mind. These guys are human like us, so very fallible and imperfect. But, I can't persecute someone for everyone else's history. He's got to make his own history and hopefully he takes the high ground and is a good citizen.
Thank you and well said DB.
 

thunderkyss

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But it’s ok to put people down and slander their name all because of a few people they’ve hung out with.
You're letting him win. Here you have conceded that Stroud has hung out with the people steelbtexan claims he has & it's a total fabrication
 
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thunderkyss

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But to constantly judgmental of a player’s character all because you don’t like who they hung out with is pretty darn ridiculous
That's not the reason. He has no idea who this kid hangs out with. It's an argument he fabricated to get under thin skin.
But hey let’s come on every day and tear this young man down.
Says more about him than the young man
And I’m not the only one defending the young man but you just had to call out ole TB huh
But you keep attacking him & not his argument.
 
There's already language in NFL contracts that speak to what you're saying..


Yes, there are some things pro athletes aren’t allowed to do

But like the article itself states that's a very vague bit of wording and doesn't really do much to specifically tell any particular player what is actually allowed and what isn't. As the article also further points out there are particular players that have much more specific language making certain activities prohibitive. Which is why I brought up a few examples of what you think should be prohibited.

As well it says that there are also contract stipulation that allows for frowned upon activities, but at financial risk/liability to the player.

It's clearly between the club and the player what the do's and don'ts are when the dotted line is signed, but I think it's important to make those lines clearly drawn without just broadly saying 'hey, you can do stuff in your free time if you might get hurt'.
Fair enough.
 

thunderkyss

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But (IMO), where things go off the rails is the criticism of the kid off the field, before there is anything certain and before anything has actually happened (and yeah, to this 56 yo, he's still just a kid).
Mulleghetta is a pos. That's what this is all about. CJ Stroud sees how he operates, why would he want to be associated with that?

I understand players wanting to be represented by the best, but if he thinks Mullegetta is the best, using the tactics he does, something ain't right.
 

steelbtexan

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That's not the reason. He has no idea who this kid hangs out with. It's an argument he fabricated to get under thin skin.

Says more about him than the young man

But you keep attacking him & not his argument.
Stroud hanging out with Snoop doesn't surprise me at all. Get back with me in 3 yrs and we can discuss this. Kinda like when Manziel was hanging out with LeBron and Carter I knew he was going to fail.

Difference in opinions say very little about anybody. On either side of the debate.

True, that's what fans do, I'm a guy who doesn't give 2 bleeps about what other people think.
 
I have nothing against Snoop Dogg personally but I will take him to task for his Superbowl performance s few years back where he ignored being told not to throw gang signs and Crip Walk and yet he did so anyway. He shouldn't be sending the message that gang life is cool. Years ago I could understand it but his role in pop culture and being a role model for the youth of America should make him use better judgement.

I don't judge CJ Stroud for hanging out with Snoop Dogg but he needs to be careful of his actions. Snoop Dogg hasn't done anything highly illegal or wrong in.a long time but his decision to show off his gang ties was In poor taste and is enough to question his motives.
 

thunderkyss

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Stroud hanging out with Snoop doesn't surprise me at all.
It's a publicity thing, he's a celebrity. That's work, that's not hanging out.
Kinda like when Manziel was hanging out with LeBron and Carter I knew he was going to fail.
But before that you had no clue? :ok:
Difference in opinions say very little about anybody. On either side of the debate.
We're not talking about a difference of opinion
I'm giving Stroud 2 1/2 yrs. Then I'm waiting for DM to hold Cal hostage over a middling QB AGAIN.
So?
 

leebigeztx

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Stroud hanging out with Snoop doesn't surprise me at all. Get back with me in 3 yrs and we can discuss this. Kinda like when Manziel was hanging out with LeBron and Carter I knew he was going to fail.

Difference in opinions say very little about anybody. On either side of the debate.

True, that's what fans do, I'm a guy who doesn't give 2 bleeps about what other people think.
Why is hanging out with a guy like LeBron is a negative in any kind of way?
 

steelbtexan

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It's a publicity thing, he's a celebrity. That's work, that's not hanging out.

But before that you had no clue? :ok:

We're not talking about a difference of opinion

So?
You choose who you want to hang out with in life.

Sure I did, I just thought he was from a family of chicken fighting alcoholics. This told me that he had other character flaws as well.
 

Lucky

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I will still root for him even though...
...Stroud has yet to take a snap in mini camp. This is what rooting for Stroud looks like to you?
Right, or are we just supposed to take a giant sip of the koolaid and go rah rah?
Maybe wait until Stroud and the team actually play some games? Or is that too much koolaid?

This making up crap shtick is getting old, old, old.
 

steelbtexan

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...Stroud has yet to take a snap in mini camp. This is what rooting for Stroud looks like to you?

Maybe wait until Stroud and the team actually play some games? Or is that too much koolaid?

This making up crap shtick is getting old, old, old.
Just because I'm not a fan of Stroud doesn't mean I wont root for him to succeed.

Making up What? I'm not a fan of the person or the player. That is all.
 

steelbtexan

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But you're already condemning him so when are you going to give him a chance?
So saying he's not the sharpest tool in the shed is condemning him? What does giving him a chance look like to you?

To me it's rooting for him to become a Mahomes level QB, although being more than a slightly above avg QB is more likely.
 

OptimisticTexan

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Game #1.

But I'm still going to call out dumb mistakes he makes along the way.
....are you fully prepared to acknowledge his good to great plays as well? I'd hate to think you'd only be waiting to pounce on a bad play to try and prove a point or revel in a "I told you so" opportunity.

One thing for certain....the Texans and Caserio would be more than prepared for a Mulgheta 2.0. DM won't get to barrel the Texans a second time.
 

banned1976

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Will you be disappointed if CJ plays well?
If "well" is average, or slightly above average, I won't say I'll be disappointed because that's kind of where I'm setting my expectations (so I won't be disappointed). And if "well" is good enough to win a Super Bowl I'll be ecstatic. But I've seen quarterbacks play "well" here before and "well" hasn't even gotten the Texans to the AFC championship game.
 

rmartin65

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The idea of ranking a QB (or any player) by his Super Bowl record doesn't make sense to me- yeah, winning is the end goal, but it is a team sport. Dan Marino was the best QB of his time and never won one, but Trent Dilfer did. Peyton Manning only won two, and one of them was while he was a shell of himself; 2004-05 Peyton Manning was better than 2015-16 Manning, but the latter won the SB while the former didn't.

I think Stroud will be a good enough QB to be worth the number 2 pick in the 2023 NFL draft, and that he will be a good enough QB to win a Super Bowl. Whether he does win or not will depend on the team around him, like it does for every player.
 

steelbtexan

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The idea of ranking a QB (or any player) by his Super Bowl record doesn't make sense to me- yeah, winning is the end goal, but it is a team sport. Dan Marino was the best QB of his time and never won one, but Trent Dilfer did. Peyton Manning only won two, and one of them was while he was a shell of himself; 2004-05 Peyton Manning was better than 2015-16 Manning, but the latter won the SB while the former didn't.

I think Stroud will be a good enough QB to be worth the number 2 pick in the 2023 NFL draft, and that he will be a good enough QB to win a Super Bowl. Whether he does win or not will depend on the team around him, like it does for every player.
Umm, disagree, Montana and Elway were the best during that time. Stroud being compared to those guys is laughable. Would you say Stroud had enough talent around him to win a NC? One things for sure, he wont have the level of receiving talent aroud him that he had at OSU.
 

steelbtexan

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....are you fully prepared to acknowledge his good to great plays as well? I'd hate to think you'd only be waiting to pounce on a bad play to try and prove a point or revel in a "I told you so" opportunity.

One thing for certain....the Texans and Caserio would be more than prepared for a Mulgheta 2.0. DM won't get to barrel the Texans a second time.
I dont care about his good to great plays, or his bad plays for that matter. I'm looking for consistency and Stroud playing well in clutch situations. Numbers dont really impress me.
 

rmartin65

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Umm, disagree, Montana and Elway were the best during that time.
Fair, I won't argue that one. I wasn't old enough to really watch them, so I repeated what I grew up hearing my Dad and Grandpa said.

Stroud being compared to those guys is laughable.
I'm not comparing Stroud to those guys. I'm just stating that a great QB can't win without a good enough team with him, while a worse QB can win with a good enough team.

Would you say Stroud had enough talent around him to win a NC?
He probably did, at least on the offensive side of the ball. I don't think that means he lost it for his team, though; I think he played well enough to win that game against Georgia.

One things for sure, he wont have the level of receiving talent aroud him that he had at OSU.
And I think that's a problem. We've talked about this- while I do think the Texans made the right pick with Stroud, I don't think they've given him enough weapons. I'm not sure that Scruggs is an upgrade this season, and I'm not confident that Dell is going to have anywhere near the success in getting open that he had in college. Hutchinson is a JAG, IMO, I'm actually more intrigued by the UDFA they signed out of Pitt.

We'll see, though; I hope I am wrong, but if not, I hope the Texans are looking at WR and TE in free agency, on the trade block, and in the 2024 draft.
 
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