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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

The S2 certainly needs to be taken with a big ol’ grain of salt, but a low S2 score AND game film and stats that suggest a QB struggles under pressure starts to paint a picture of a QB who won’t be any better the mediocre at the NFL level.

I could see why teams would shy away from a high floor low ceiling prospect like Stroud and lean towards Levis and Richardson who are low floor high ceiling players.

I know the S2 is Hokey Pokey, especially considering we don’t actually know the results, but Stroud struggling ‘off-schedule’ was being talked about many months before we were talking about the test.
 
From a source from the higher ups of the Texans FO, I was just informed that the Texans are split over Stroud....................not so much regarding Mulugheta, but strongly because of how they view his play under pressure. They feel that they can handle dealing with Mulugheta in that they would be ultra cautious and not ever repeat such mistakes as "no trade clause" or stupid guaranteed money.

That said, regarding the Stroud/Mulugheta relationship, college players were never allowed to have NFL agents until they declared for the Draft (Stroud declared Jan 2023). Effective July 1, 2021, the NIL allowed a player to hire an agent. Both of those dates postdate the Watson nightmare (the chain of lawsuits beginning in March of 2021).

I just have to call BS on your source. Not that you didn't hear anything but that they actually have credible information.

We have on record from Brooks Kubena saying that they(Lead College Scouting Coordinator) viewed Stroud and Young 1a/1b after scouting both of them for a year. If they have scouted him for a year, they are well aware of what he is good and bad at. Demeco Ryans has echoed similar on a video as well.

For this "Play under pressure" to all of a sudden to cause a split house now makes absolutely ZERO sense.

Yes, maybe they are faltering on Stroud now.. but it isn't for that reason.
 
I just have to call BS on your source. Not that you didn't hear anything but that they actually have credible information.

We have on record from Brooks Kubena saying that they(Lead College Scouting Coordinator) viewed Stroud and Young 1a/1b after scouting both of them for a year. If they have scouted him for a year, they are well aware of what he is good and bad at. Demeco Ryans has echoed similar on a video as well.

For this "Play under pressure" to all of a sudden to cause a split house now makes absolutely ZERO sense.

Yes, maybe they are faltering on Stroud now.. but it isn't for that reason.
First of all, @CloakNNNdagger has extremely accurate sources. Let’s get that out of the way.

And secondly, Stroud has had those issues which scouts have all listed as a con. Research it.
 
First of all, @CloakNNNdagger has extremely accurate sources. Let’s get that out of the way.

And secondly, Stroud has had those issues which scouts have all listed as a con. Research it.

I am not questioning whether he has accurate sources.

I am just questioning his sources accuracy on this subject considering nobody in the organization has leaked a thing yet.

The reasoning doesn't make sense. Its valid to question whatever his source is telling him.
 
Stroud going 2!

Houston has called him 1a/1b from the beginning.

Also, the Texans really want to pass on him and have to play him in the division 2x a year? I think that’s another factor that has to be talked about.

If you pass on him, and your rival picks him up. That’s egg on your face 2x a year if he is a hit.
This post is complete bait. No one should be afraid of Stroud in the division. He ain’t Manning.
 
Here are the most likely scenarios for the Texans and where things currently stand heading into the draft, according to multiple NFL sources:

With Young unavailable to acquire, the Texans may indeed pass on a quarterback with their second overall pick.

The Texans have evaluated and considered Ohio State quarterback C.J. Stroud for months, including hosting him for a visit at NRG Stadium, interviewing him at the NFL scouting combine and scouting his campus Pro Day workout. Stroud excelled for the Buckeyes, but he isn’t the Texans’ first choice at quarterback as he ranked behind Young on their draft board and other NFL teams seeking a quarterback.

Multiple sources anticipate the Texans opting to go with a defensive end instead of Stroud with those opinions echoed throughout the past month and this week.

One league source notered Wednesday night that the Texans have conducted significant due diligence in recent days and weeks about Stroud and have debated the merits of potentially drafting him. They have also discussed, should they not pick Stroud, how they might obtain a quarterback in the draft or via a trade given the wide gamut of opinions on Stroud, a tall, strong-armed pocket passer who showed some ability to go off-script during an impressive performance against Georgia’s elite defense.

If the Texans were to draft Stroud, sourcesemphasized, it would be considered a major surprise at this point and a departure from the direction they’ve been headed in during the latter stages of the draft process. Not drafting Stroud is not expected to have anything to do with him being represented by David Mulugheta, former Texans Pro Bowl quarterback Deshaun Watson’s Austin-based agent. It would simply be a football decision based on Stroud’s ability to process on the fly, read defenses and run the Kyle Shanahan-Gary Kubiak offense being installed by offensive coordinator Bobby Slowik.

Where will Stroud wind up if the Texans don’t pick him? The Tennessee Titans are exploring a potential trade up to the Arizona Cardinals’ third overall selection with Stroud their target, according to league sources.

Contrary to speculation, including an unfounded Reddit rumor, the Texans are not expected to draft Kentucky quarterback Will Levis at No. 2 or No. 12, per sources. And the Texans didn’t conduct a visit or private workout with Florida quarterback Anthony Richardson and are not expected to draft him, per sources.

The Texans do have a high opinion of Tennessee quarterback Hendon Hooker, per sources. Hooker visited them directly after the NFL scouring combine, and might not be available for their 33rd overall pick in the second round. Hooker is ahead of schedule in his recovery from a torn anterior cruciate ligament and is expected to be able to practice in some capacity by August and play at some point this season. The highest spot for Hooker might go in the first round, per sources, would be the Minnesota Vikings’ No. 23 overall pick.

Although the Texans have a strong comfort zone with Anderson, who visited them, the Seattle Seahawks and Detroit Lions, from a football and character standpoint, there are legitimate questions about whether his ceiling is high enough to justify the pick.

The two-time consensus All-American and Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year is regarded as more of a pure fit as a stand-up 3-4 outside linebacker rather than a classic 4-3 defensive end who plays with his hand in the dirt.

Those factors are why the Texans have contemplated drafting Texas Tech defensive end Tyree Wilson.

 
Stroud going 2!

Houston has called him 1a/1b from the beginning.

Also, the Texans really want to pass on him and have to play him in the division 2x a year? I think that’s another factor that has to be talked about.

If you pass on him, and your rival picks him up. That’s egg on your face 2x a year if he is a hit.
Did calling Young/Stroud 1a/1b mean they're drafting either QB at #2 or does it mean they rate both players as a QB virtually equal...there is a difference. We'll find out later today.
 
Did calling Young/Stroud 1a/1b mean they're drafting either QB at #2 or does it mean they rate both players as a QB virtually equal...there is a difference. We'll find out later today.

I would say that 1a/1b is an accepted thought of something being EQUAL.

There's never going to be a perfect QB prospect. Have to take your shot if you like the guy and they clearly like Young and Stroud.
 
I am not questioning whether he has accurate sources.

I am just questioning his sources accuracy on this subject considering nobody in the organization has leaked a thing yet.

The reasoning doesn't make sense. Its valid to question whatever his source is telling him.
No information is being leaked out. Therefore no one’s source is being factual. They’re speculating and that’s all.
 
I just have to call BS on your source. Not that you didn't hear anything but that they actually have credible information.

We have on record from Brooks Kubena saying that they(Lead College Scouting Coordinator) viewed Stroud and Young 1a/1b after scouting both of them for a year. If they have scouted him for a year, they are well aware of what he is good and bad at. Demeco Ryans has echoed similar on a video as well.

For this "Play under pressure" to all of a sudden to cause a split house now makes absolutely ZERO sense.

Yes, maybe they are faltering on Stroud now.. but it isn't for that reason.
So you have one person saying one person said this about the Texans and Stroud. ONE. So now you call @CloakNNNdagger 's source a liar? Just because a scout says they are 1a/1b, does not mean there is not a disagreement at the top
 
Part of my question i posed in reply to Doc. If we take Stroud at 2 or Hooker at 12, we certainly need to consider best OC at 33. Schmitz or Avila or Wypler should be there. Can each of them be the guy in WCO? I can not remember seeing that addressed.
Yeah I agree. I might switch out Tippman for Wyler, but I don't know. The rankings vary and I'll leave that up to the coaches/scouts. If they draft a QB and another great prospect is there at 33, besides a C, I don't mind using picks to move up from 65
 
So you have one person saying one person said this about the Texans and Stroud. ONE. So now you call @CloakNNNdagger 's source a liar? Just because a scout says they are 1a/1b, does not mean there is not a disagreement at the top

Ok Karen, nobody called anyone a liar.

His source is claiming that a well known Stroud issue is all of a sudden splitting the room when Demeco, and their "LEAD" scout(aka head of college scouting) have openly said they like both guys.

Now all of a sudden, they are getting cold feet on an issue you have looked at for over a year? I have every right to question the legitimacy of that. Doesn't sound like an organized or ambitious scouting program if thats the case but then again we are hearing about last minute background checks.... so hey maybe so.
 
If you have to tank to get a QB 2024, then I guess 5 wins would be a step backwards :toropalm:

Just want the team to stop being a **** show.

Winning 5 games this year would be a detriment to the Texans future if they don't take their franchise QB in this draft.

Rankins, Ward, LB upgrades, a scheme change that should benefit guys like Pitre and Stingley.... This team is going to be much better defensively next year.

QB hell is one bad draft tonight from likely happening.

There will be teams this year actively tanking for what is perceived the next "Patrick Mahomes."
 
Ok Karen, nobody called anyone a liar.

His source is claiming that a well known Stroud issue is all of a sudden splitting the room when Demeco, and their "LEAD" scout(aka head of college scouting) have openly said they like both guys.

Now all of a sudden, they are getting cold feet on an issue you have looked at for over a year? I have every right to question the legitimacy of that. Doesn't sound like an organized or ambitious scouting program if thats the case but then again we are hearing about last minute background checks.... so hey maybe so.
"I just have to call BS on your source." That is calling someone a liar. That is why they call reading comprehension a "skill".

The mental gymnastics with your posts are astounding. Do you think Demeco is going to say anything else? Seriously? "Yeah we only like 1 QB in this draft" They could have had this internal issue for months. You don't know and neither do I, but for you to use a PUBLIC statement by the coach during lying season and saying @CloakNNNdagger 's source is BS is inherently asinine. Go on and keep calling people "Karen" and going on with your illogical musings.
 
"I just have to call BS on your source." That is calling someone a liar. That is why they call reading comprehension a "skill".

The mental gymnastics with your posts are astounding. Do you think Demeco is going to say anything else? Seriously? "Yeah we only like 1 QB in this draft" They could have had this internal issue for months. You don't know and neither do I, but for you to use a PUBLIC statement by the coach during lying season and saying @CloakNNNdagger 's source is BS is inherently asinine. Go on and keep calling people "Karen" and going on with your illogical musings.
So in other words we should all believe in these so called sources versus what’s being actually said by these head coaches and general managers.

Yes very astounding for sure.
 
Brown very accurate over years. *note Hooker not taken round 1.

 
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Brown very accurate over years. *note Hooker not taken round 1.

I would be happy if the draft fell that way
 
Would be fun to see everyone's perceived terrible pick combos at 1.2 and 1.12. Both picks must be bad either because of where taken, talent, position, etc...

1.2 Peter Skoronski along with 1.12 Jack Campbell
Mine would be:-
#2 Tyree Wilson (no more Linsfrancs please)
#12 Paris Johnson/Peter Skoronski - both are great players, but unless they can play Center at a high level, we don't need them right now unless Texans have plans to move on from one of our incumbents.
 
Brown very accurate over years. *note Hooker not taken round 1.


Like him, but Hooker is a wasted pick for the Texans, at least in round 1. Will miss all of camp and preseason, probably won't take a meaningful snap in 2023.

Would be a great pick for the Cowboys, in case Dak keeps playing mediocre. Vikes are a good spot too.
 
Like him, but Hooker is a wasted pick for the Texans, at least in round 1. Will miss all of camp and preseason, probably won't take a meaningful snap in 2023.

Would be a great pick for the Cowboys, in case Dak keeps playing mediocre. Vikes are a good spot too.
:toropalm::toropalm::toropalm:
 
Stroud going 2!

Houston has called him 1a/1b from the beginning.

Also, the Texans really want to pass on him and have to play him in the division 2x a year? I think that’s another factor that has to be talked about.

If you pass on him, and your rival picks him up. That’s egg on your face 2x a year if he is a hit.
And if you pass on him and your rival picks him up. That's gold in your pocket 2x a year if he is a miss.
 
I just have to call BS on your source. Not that you didn't hear anything but that they actually have credible information.

We have on record from Brooks Kubena saying that they(Lead College Scouting Coordinator) viewed Stroud and Young 1a/1b after scouting both of them for a year.
That does not refute what CnnD said. If they think he's 1a or 1b, they can still be split.
 
Brown very accurate over years. *note Hooker not taken round 1.

Note Texans pick up Brown's #1 and #2 overall rated players. I could live with WA and Bijan, then try and nab Hooker for QB, get a Center and WR in rd3 and should be a good looking haul. I suspect Demeco has a LB he has his eye on that would be a value pick he can develop.
 
Like him, but Hooker is a wasted pick for the Texans, at least in round 1. Will miss all of camp and preseason, probably won't take a meaningful snap in 2023.

Would be a great pick for the Cowboys, in case Dak keeps playing mediocre. Vikes are a good spot too.
Understand your POV but earlier i posted comparison with DWs ACL surgery in Nov 2017.
He had a fantastic 2018. Hooker's surgery was in December so will have ~ a month less healing time. No two players recover same but it's very possible HH can play game 1. Let's not forget we traded up to get #4 and he didn't start first month or so.
 
Then I think you're missing the point that those who don't like Stroud's S2 scores... don't like Stroud, period.

This is what I have felt from reading those posts.
I would be happy if the draft fell that way
I am hoping that the Texans just take good football players. Anderson and Robinson are healthy, productive, good football players.
 
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