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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Porky said:
What I said a month ago, and I got whacked 100 times with a wet noodle for being a dunce.

At this point, IF we stay at 2, I don't want Anderson. He's good, but not elite. Tyree would be my choice, but now Doc has me afraid of the foot.

Young is 99% a Panther, so that's out the window. Stroud seems to be falling like a lead pipe.

Honestly, I'm taking Anthony Richardson. But with the smoke out there with Levis, that's probably the guy if they can't find a trade partner.
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I have 0% confidence in predicting what the Texans will do at #2 or #12. The only thing the Texans have given away is that all options, including listening to (and perhaps accepting) offers for the pick(s) are all on the table. Any "rumblings" or "rumors" surrounding the Texans over the last several weeks are total bs. For all I know they have been set on who they're planning on drafting all along.

Dang those tight lipped people on Kirby!
 
Speedy said:
That makes no sense. So we shouldn't draft a pass rusher because we need one?



I can promise you that whatever we think of these guys are not what teams are thinking. Their evaluations are a whole hell of a lot more indepth than the evaluations of anybody here. And hell, even the professionals don't get it right more times than not. This stuff truly is a crapshoot.

I have no doubt the Texans will do what THEY feel is right for their team. I was simply addressing the need we DO have for QB, being in a position to draft one, and some folks here not wanting them the draft one. If not now, when?
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BPA

Draft a QB late this year. Bennett/Haener/Tune etc...

Draft a QB high in the 2024 draft. That's when.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Trading down has diminishing returns after a point, especially for a team as starved for star power as the Texans. Hasn't been a great player on the roster since Watson.
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Honestly, I think I would rather have more really good players than one great player. If #2 becomes #4 and a second rounder and next year's 1st rounder, then that #4 becomes something between #10-#15 and another second rounder and another first next year? Granted that is a fantasy scenario but you get my point.
 
theCATALYST said:
Okay. See this part tells me an offer was made and confirmed by Schefter.

At one point in time the Houston Texans we’re very close to getting the No. 1 pick” Confirmation from Schefter

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We all know we could have had the #1 by losing our last game of the season....that part wouldnt need anyone's confirmation. So I have to assume the confirmation was that an offer was made, only beat by the addition of DJ Moore.
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We also according to Wilson probed the Bears into what it would take to move up to one and they said 2 and 12 for pick 1. Texans said no so the Bears said give us a 2024 FRP and #2 and the Texans said no, then Bears turned around and traded their pick to Carolina
 
badboy said:
Everything in your post is known by all.. of course the only consensus that matters is the teams. You think you have to remind us?

You said earlier that only a great QB or one that a team thinks is great should be drafted at 1.2. Duh.

I repeat a QB or any player at 1.2 will be thought to be able to do well.
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I totally believe that what I'm saying is nothing but common sense. I think what I'm saying is... like you said... duh.

But there are people here saying that we HAVE to draft a QB at 2 because we need a QB. And it doesn't seem to matter to them if the guy selected is worth that spot or not.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
It’s so funny how rating a QB becomes less and less about what they’ve accomplished on the “field of play” and what they accomplished at the Combine, their Pro Day, and a new S2 Test. If a team wants to certainly take it up the arse…..just throw out all “field of play” scouting and go with what a QB produces off the “field of play”.

I look forward to the day a QB is mic’d up during a game and after throwing an INT, he’s heard mumbling to himself while running to the sideline……dammit man, you’re better than this, remember your S2 score…..why didn’t you see the coverage.
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There have been a huge number of QB busts based on "field of play" analysis. A huge number of teams have taken it up the arse because of it. Dan Marino scored a 13 or so on the Wonderlic test. I wonder how he would've done on the S2. The dude could sling like few others. No test is conclusive as far as how a collegian will translate to the NFL.
I wonder if teams are using VR technology to put a QB prospect into a virtual NFL game and see how they react. Put them in the VR world and see how they react to coverages or pressure. Can they throw with anticipation? That is a go-to for military and civilian pilots.
 
steelbtexan said:
BPA

Draft a QB late this year. Bennett/Haener/Tune etc...

Draft a QB high in the 2024 draft. That's when.
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That whole plan is predicated on either the Texans or Browns out tanking other QB-hungry teams. Buccs and Titans are in firesale mode, and will need QBs. Pack, 9ers, Bears, and Falcons all have uncertain guys at QB that could flop pretty easily. Cowboys need a QB if Dak fails again.

If the 2024 class lives up to the hype, teams aren't trading out of the top 2-3 picks. If the Texans/Browns get more than four wins, they are left with nothing.

My biggest fear is a repeat of the Yates/Mallet/Hoyer era, which ended with the team blowing years of draft capital to move up for a Watson anyways.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
But there are people here saying that we HAVE to draft a QB at 2 because we need a QB. And it doesn't seem to matter to them if the guy selected is worth that spot or not.
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That includes the talking heads on local radio and the Houston Chronicle, unfortunately.
 
zshawn10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1650599723127152640

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650631808696872960
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I like him already
 
badboy said:
Read the two replies..
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It wouldn't make sense for the Texans make a trade for Lance until draft day.
Making that trade before Thursday tells other teams we aren't drafting a QB and takes away all leverage for a trade down.
They need to go into the draft with teams feeling they need to jump to #2 to get Stroud.
 
The1ApplePie said:
That whole plan is predicated on either the Texans or Browns out tanking other QB-hungry teams. Buccs and Titans are in firesale mode, and will need QBs. Pack, 9ers, Bears, and Falcons all have uncertain guys at QB that could flop pretty easily. Cowboys need a QB if Dak fails again.

If the 2024 class lives up to the hype, teams aren't trading out of the top 2-3 picks. If the Texans/Browns get more than four wins, they are left with nothing.

My biggest fear is a repeat of the Yates/Mallet/Hoyer era, which ended with the team blowing years of draft capital to move up for a Watson anyways.
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Bingo bingo bingo. Now we’re getting to the nitty gritty of the matter. This is the main reason why you draft your freaking quarterback now. Not in the 3rd or 4th round of this year or next year (24).
You draft him now and start the developmental process. Bump that quarterback circus bull crap. Been there done that. It wasn’t pretty at all. Smh I can’t believe some fans want this team to go back down that shittyyy hole again. Why because some don’t like the agent or the silly notion of the weapons he had in college. Some doesn’t like the height of what many believe is the best player in this draft.
We’ve all seen all types of ways to build a team. But on here we only want to focus on the negatives. Bump the examples of teams starting with their quarterback and then building around him.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Bingo bingo bingo. Now we’re getting to the nitty gritty of the matter. This is the main reason why you draft your freaking quarterback now. Not in the 3rd or 4th round of this year or next year (24).
You draft him now and start the developmental process. Bump that quarterback circus bull crap. Been there done that. It wasn’t pretty at all. Smh I can’t believe some fans want this team to go back down that shittyyy hole again. Why because some don’t like the agent or the silly notion of the weapons he had in college. Some doesn’t like the height of what many believe is the best player in this draft.
We’ve all seen all types of ways to build a team. But on here we only want to focus on the negatives. Bump the examples of teams starting with their quarterback and then building around him.
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So you want them to draft a QB whether they love him or not right? Because that's the sensible thing to do? I'm sure glad you're not in the Texans front office
 
sandman said:
Honestly, I think I would rather have more really good players than one great player. If #2 becomes #4 and a second rounder and next year's 1st rounder, then that #4 becomes something between #10-#15 and another second rounder and another first next year? Granted that is a fantasy scenario but you get my point.
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Give me Gonzalez at 4 Sanders at 35 and Indy's round one over Anderson at 2. None of these QBs is going to move Colts from bottom 12.
 
The1ApplePie said:
My biggest fear is a repeat of the Yates/Mallet/Hoyer era, which ended with the team blowing years of draft capital to move up for a Watson anyways.
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Agreed. That's where we're headed if Slowick can't install or call an offense.


Hopefully Slowick can get Mr Irrelevant an 8 game win streak as a rookie.
 
michaelm said:
It wouldn't make sense for the Texans make a trade for Lance until draft day.
Making that trade before Thursday tells other teams we aren't drafting a QB and takes away all leverage for a trade down.
They need to go into the draft with teams feeling they need to jump to #2 to get Stroud.
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What if they trade 1.2 for Trey and 4th?
 
The Pencil Neck said:
But there are people here saying that we HAVE to draft a QB at 2 because we need a QB. And it doesn't seem to matter to them if the guy selected is worth that spot or not.
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majority of the ones who want a QB at 2 is because they see them (Bryce/Stroud) as a franchise type qb…..a bonus is that it also fills a need. I’m one of them who thinks those two are worthy of 1.2
 
The Pencil Neck said:
But there are people here saying that we HAVE to draft a QB at 2 because we need a QB. And it doesn't seem to matter to them if the guy selected is worth that spot or not.
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Of course it matters but just because YOU don't think there is a QB worthy at 2 doesn't mean there isn't. This team has to get a QB at some point. They are in a position to do that now. If they like the QB available at the time of their pick this would be a good time to get that done. I don't think anybody is advocating just take any ol QB because they need one.

Personally, I think there's only 2 QBs that are worth a 1st round grade. Unfortunately for the Texans, one is a Mulugheta client, which I don't think the Texans are ready to deal with yet. They will have to eventually at some point, sure, but I think not enough time has passed. Doesn't make it right, just the way I think they're thinking. Ownership, that is.

I'm still hanging out on the limb that Stroud goes to Carolina and the Texans will scoop up Young, which is who I believe they've liked from the get go.

72 hours to go.
 
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JB said:
I've heard there is no more than 15 first round players in this draft... somewhat below average
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I was thinking about the same. 12-15 & none of them QBs. Three QBs will probably be taken in the top 12. Two or three reaches... our #12 pick could probably get us a top 5 prospect.
 
michaelm said:
It wouldn't make sense for the Texans make a trade for Lance until draft day.
Making that trade before Thursday tells other teams we aren't drafting a QB and takes away all leverage for a trade down.
They need to go into the draft with teams feeling they need to jump to #2 to get Stroud.
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Trades can be made now but announced later. Example Texans trade 104 and a 6th for Lance and announce it when SF selects at 104.
 
The1ApplePie said:
That whole plan is predicated on either the Texans or Browns out tanking other QB-hungry teams. Buccs and Titans are in firesale mode, and will need QBs. Pack, 9ers, Bears, and Falcons all have uncertain guys at QB that could flop pretty easily. Cowboys need a QB if Dak fails again.

If the 2024 class lives up to the hype, teams aren't trading out of the top 2-3 picks. If the Texans/Browns get more than four wins, they are left with nothing.

My biggest fear is a repeat of the Yates/Mallet/Hoyer era, which ended with the team blowing years of draft capital to move up for a Watson anyways.
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Vegas predicts 5.5 wins, tied for worst in the NFL.

Do live in fear because RS refused to trade up for a QB, because he knew if he did it would start his clock. When he finally traded up he lost his job the next yr, never to be heard from again as a GM. Yes, I know the story.

They can easily trade up for one of the top 4 QB's next yr. All of whom I like better than this yrs QB class.
 
steelbtexan said:
Vegas predicts 5.5 wins, tied for worst in the NFL.

Do live in fear because RS refused to trade up for a QB, because he knew if he did it would start his clock. When he finally traded up he lost his job the next yr, never to be heard from again as a GM. Yes, I know the story.

They can easily trade up for one of the top 4 QB's next yr. All of whom I like better than this yrs QB class.
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Tell me What you like about someone other than Williams
 
JB said:
So you want them to draft a QB whether they love him or not right? Because that's the sensible thing to do? I'm sure glad you're not in the Texans front office
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That’s the best thing to do IMO. And I’m glad your scary ash approach isn’t around that office too.
 
JB said:
So wanting them to love a player they select at 1.2 is scary? :ok:
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Where in the freak are you getting this love a player from. Coach Ryans already said he likes both Young and Stroud. And yes you would be a scary GM. You won’t last in that world. And neither would I. That’s why I’m in the profession that I’m in and a part time armchair GM.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Where in the freak are you getting this love a player from. Coach Ryans already said he likes both Young and Stroud. And yes you would be a scary GM. You won’t last in that world. And neither would I. That’s why I’m in the profession that I’m in and a part time armchair GM.
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I've said all along they should love any player they draft at 1.2... they can draft the player they like at 1.12 or 2.33
 
Texansballer74 said:
Where in the freak are you getting this love a player from. Coach Ryans already said he likes both Young and Stroud. And yes you would be a scary GM. You won’t last in that world. And neither would I. That’s why I’m in the profession that I’m in and a part time armchair GM.
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The problem is, it's lying season. What's DeMeco going to say, they like QB A better than QB B? For all we know, he really might not like either QB, but he's not going to say that.
 
Speedy said:
Of course it matters but just because YOU don't think there is a QB worthy at 2 doesn't mean there isn't.
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I've said repeatedly that it's not up to me and it's not about what I believe. I'll support them whomever they pick.

This team has to get a QB at some point. They are in a position to do that now.
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It's these two sentences right here that I disagree with. To me, this is saying we have to take a QB because we've got the 2nd pick.

We don't HAVE to.

We MIGHT.

If that's not what you mean, then no hay problema. It's all good.

If they like the QB available at the time of their pick this would be a good time to get that done. I don't think anybody is advocating just take any ol QB because they need one.
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I totally agree with your first sentence. But the second sentence here, to me, contradicts what you wrote 2 and 3 sentences prior. By saying that the team HAS to take a QB at some point and they're in a position now, that advocates taking any old QB at the top of the first round just because they need one.

Personally, I think there's only 2 QBs that are worth a 1st round grade. Unfortunately for the Texans, one is a Mulugheta client, which I don't think the Texans are ready to deal with yet. They will have to eventually at some point, sure, but I think not enough time has passed. Doesn't make it right, just the way I think they're thinking. Ownership, that is.

I'm still hanging out on the limb that Stroud goes to Carolina and the Texans will scoop up Young, which is who I believe they've liked from the get go.

72 hours to go.
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And that's all fine. You think there are two guys worthy of being taken in the first round. And I have no problem with the Texans believing that Stroud or Young are worthy of 1.2. I'll root for whatever player they pick, even Levis or Richardson.

I just don't think that they have to force either of their first round picks in order to become contenders.

Personally, there's no QB in this draft that I'd take in the first round. And I'm totally aware that I could be 100% wrong in that.
 
Speedy said:
The problem is, it's lying season. What's DeMeco going to say, they like QB A better than QB B? For all we know, he really might not like either QB, but he's not going to say that.
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Coach comes off as a straight shooter. I highly doubt he will flat out lie like that. And he was giving his opinion on those two players.
 
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