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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Khelar said:
We’ll see but the NFL is a different beast and I don’t think it’s gonna work for him. I respect that a lot of people think it will though
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Well of course it different but you do know the rules has changed correct? You do know they’re not allowed to blow up these quarterbacks like yesteryears. They have to hit/grab roll.
 
Frankly, all these draft guru's are targeting #3 (cards) as the pivot point in the draft. It doesn't have to be.

The company line has been, "If you want a qb, you have to get ahead of indy at #4." (And trade with Az.)

Screw that. We control the narrative. We can take that position. We can take Anderson. We're willing to trade back.

If the Texans aren't in on Stroud 100% they should faint for him and Anderson anyway.

I'm perfectly happy with Stroud, Anderson, or a trade back. Make it known and watch the phone ring.

This is a qb league and even if we don't love cj, someone else will.

Jmo.
 
I'd love to see stats or resource material on what happens to rookie hc's when they miss on a top qb vs their life expectancy when they wait?

I tend to think they might get a 2nd chance at drafting another high qb if the team isn't ridiculously bad. Idk.
 
powda said:
I'd love to see stats or resource material on what happens to rookie hc's when they miss on a top qb vs their life expectancy when they wait?

I tend to think they might get a 2nd chance at drafting another high qb if the team isn't ridiculously bad. Idk.
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I'm placing all my hope on that DeMeco's the man. Because the Texans otherwise haven't changed much, they're still the Texans and you know what that means.
 
Khelar said:
That’s funny because after watching that was my favorite play of his the whole game. Stopped on a dime, changed his arm angle and threw around the guy. Just a little off on the throw which obviously turned out to be a big deal but I thought the play was great.

What worried me is that was one of the few games I saw where he got pressured a lot and was mostly unable to escape the pocket. The lack of size and lack of arm strength reared its ugly head imo and I think there’s a good chance that’s what the NFL looks like for him
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I hear lots of evaluators admit the Young does not have a strong arm. That strong arm is judged much differently in the NFL than in college. Strong does not only refer to how far a QB can throw the ball. In college, it is universally accepted that WRs are able to attain significantly more separation than in the NFL. Instead of 2 feet separation, you can expect closer to 2 inches. QBs need a markedly stronger arm to hit those typically tight windows that they are afforded in the NFL.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I hear lots of evaluators admit the Young does not have a strong arm. That strong arm is judged much differently in the NFL than in college. Strong does not only refer to how far a QB can throw the ball. In college, it is universally accepted that WRs are able to attain significantly more separation than in the NFL. Instead of 2 feet separation, you can expect closer to 2 inches. QBs need a markedly stronger arm to hit those typically tight windows that they are afforded in the NFL.
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something to consider about Stroud who played behind a better OL than he will in the NFL along with a couple of future Pro Bowl WRs. Against far inferior competition.
 
Could it be a business decision if Texans don't think their QB is at 2 but realize that 2023 season is an improved roster but a not so good season and roll with that plan?

I don’t see Demeco Ryans tanking but would he and Caserio draft as well as they can but go with Knowing a ~ 6 win year would not lose fans yet give them a chance for a QB in 2024 plus a WR ?

Yes a QB is $ but the right non QB player could be that face.. at least for one year. Ryans isn't going anywhere despite lack of Ws this year unless he is David Cully part 2 so he , realizing this is a true building year could go D after Nick trades down.
Despite the post about changes after draft, Nick is only in his third of a six year deal. I also cannot see him messing this draft up, just too many solid guys through round three.

If they go without a top 5 QB, who could be their "face" vet or draft guy?
 
badboy said:
Yep even though Young reportedly odds favorite this week to go 1.
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I’m of the belief that all of the Young to Carolina talk is a smokescreen to try to get the Texans to move up.

As far as getting a QB next year, they’d pretty much have to tank because there’s no guarantee they would be able to move up. The bottom teams next year are likely to be QB needy and might not want to trade even if the Texans offered the moon.

So the Texans really need to hope things work out this draft QB-wise, because like you, I don’t see Ryans going tank mode.
 
Thorn said:
The Texans will absolutely draft a QB in a few weeks, they aren't going into the season with just Case and Mills. DeMeco has already said that.

Now who they draft and with which pick is all that's left.
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Gotta be Bryce. If it's Stroud, he is gonna need plenty of help.
 
Number19 said:
They all think the Panthers are going with Stroud.
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badboy said:
Yep even though Young reportedly odds favorite this week to go 1.
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I think Stradley did those interviews when Stroud was the presumed favorite to go #1. Might see different answers if the questions were asked now. The draft rumors move fast.
Speedy said:
I’m of the belief that all of the Young to Carolina talk is a smokescreen to try to get the Texans to move up.
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When the Panthers made the trade, I thought it was for Young. Reich may have tried to convince the owner and GM on Stroud (or even Richardson). Not sure it's worked.
Texansphan said:
Gotta be Bryce. If it's Stroud, he is gonna need plenty of help.
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They both will need playmakers around them. Just like Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen need them.
 
Texian said:
It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they traded a 4th rd pick to Carolina for Matt Corral.
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I don't even hear his name mentioned. And Corral would likely have been the top QB taken last year, but for the foot injury. Just how bad was that injury? Career threatening?
 
badboy said:
Haven't seen this posted from Texanschick Stephanie Stradley:

What experts predict for Houston Texans in 2023 NFL draft

Here are some expert predictions as to what strategy the Houston Texans could employ as we get closer to the 2023 NFL draft.
www.chron.com www.chron.com
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Miller:
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Caserio has been a good evaluator of talent and with Ryans coming in as a leader and developer of talent, the Texans' philosophy shouldn't change much outside of the type of player (i.e. thresholds, scheme fits) they'll be identifying. For example, Derek Stingley Jr. is a fit no matter what scheme you are running. Same for Jalen Pitre or Dameon Pierce. Given the state of the roster, finding quality football players should be the priority.
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Found this statement quite curious. This was emphasized by Lovie and the Texans when Stingley was first drafted. Yet all last season, articles consistently were churned out making excuses for Stingley's questionable performance..................that Stingley is a man CB to who was forced to play zone in the Lovie defense.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
were churned out making excuses for Stingley's questionable performance..................that Stingley is a man CB to who was forced to play zone in the Lovie defense.
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I think you're exaggerating the negatives in Stingley's performance. Stingley was 4th in passer rating against among rookie CBs with 8+ starts (Sauce, Woolen, Alontae Taylor ranked higher). Stingley's health? That remains a concern until proven otherwise. But if Derek can stay on the field...there's no reason to believe he can't function in DeMeco's defense at a high level.
 
Lucky said:
I don't even hear his name mentioned. And Corral would likely have been the top QB taken last year, but for the foot injury. Just how bad was that injury? Career threatening?
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Those are questions for Doc. He was at Ole Miss Pro Day throwing in his underwear and got positive comments.
 
Lucky said:
I don't even hear his name mentioned. And Corral would likely have been the top QB taken last year, but for the foot injury. Just how bad was that injury? Career threatening?
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Corral was set up for his foot injury by the lasting effects of a grade II high ankle sprain he suffered in the Sugar Bowl prior to the 2022 Draft. He essentially missed the Combine while recovering and performed at his Pro Day relatively well and was drafted by the Panthers. He then went on to suffer a lisfranc foot injury in the 2nd 2022 preseason game when his foot was stepped on while he was trying to avoid a sack. The injury left his lisfranc joint very unstable, and surgery was no doubt necessary. Since it was his left foot and he is right-handed, it was not his plant foot (unlike Schaub). A QB relies most heavily on the plant foot for loading and a strong push off when throwing. His front foot is still important as in follow through, that foot will take a significant transfer of weight, and will be a big contributing factor for accuracy. Independent of the aforementioned, Corral is a scrambling QB. If he makes it back, his previously believed potential will probably be very compromised and his career very questionable. Look for the Panthers to try to somehow unload him.
 
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Lucky said:
I think you're exaggerating the negatives in Stingley's performance. Stingley was 4th in passer rating against among rookie CBs with 8+ starts (Sauce, Woolen, Alontae Taylor ranked higher). Stingley's health? That remains a concern until proven otherwise. But if Derek can stay on the field...there's no reason to believe he can't function in DeMeco's defense at a high level.
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I don't believe my description of "questionable" is in any way an exaggeration.

2022 STINGLEY PFF

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CloakNNNdagger said:
I don't believe my description of "questionable" is in any way an exaggeration.

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I don't really know what these grades mean, nor how they're derived. I do know that passes to receivers covered by Stingley resulted in 34-54-409 with 0 TDs and 1 INT. That's 3.8 catches for 45.4 yard/game. Basically, the equivalent of covering Nico Collins every game. Maybe not a shutdown CB. Yet. But not a performance that's going to lose games, either.
 
I believe the Texans approach with the 2nd pick will come down to which QB the Panthers select. If Carolina goes with Bryce Young the Texans (Caserio & Ryans) could decide that DE- Will Anderson is the better option, since they could select Hendon Hooker with their 12th pick without having to trade up to select CJ Stroud. Stroud and Hooker are just one in the same.....the only difference, David Mulugheta isn't Hooker's agent.
 
I thought I had the Panthers figured out. Now...just not sure. Speedy says it's a smokescreen trying to entice the Texans to move up to #1. But inside sources say there's been zero contact about a trade. Lucky says, nah man, I had them taking Young all along.

I personally had them emphatically taking Stroud, now I'm sort of on the fence about it and I just don't have a reason to go one way or the other yet. The NFL would like to keep it that way for ratings and buzz. So, even if the Panthers have settled on a guy - it's very unlikely to leak anytime soon. Maybe during draft week.

I kinda feel the same as Speedy about a lot of this smoke about the Texans not taking a QB at #2 if Young is gone. I think it's smoke signals to draw out any potential trade partners. Get the best deals on the table for someone that would like Stroud and if someone blows you away - take it. But most likely, you stay at #2 and take your guy..ln this case Stroud if Young is the pick at #1. But you have to tip your hand and make your bluff so players put their cards on the table. If teams are absolutely convinced the Texans take Stroud, there's no reason to play their cards.

Bottom line - this is prime-time lion season. And we're not talking about the animal. Take nothing said at face value. Read between the lines sure. Pay attention to the smoke and rumors sure - but in draft season, smoke doesn't always lead to fire.
 
zshawn10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1646144816999280645

"Nick comes from the NE side where they don't pick the chalk so not getting a QB would be a surprise, but not a shock. Lot of teams didn't have Green as a first rounder and they took him with lots of house hold names on the board. Stingley over Sauce was a surprise leading up to the draft"
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The decision on if the Texans draft a QB with the #2 pick will be made by Bobby Slowik and Demeco Ryan's, IMHO.
 
zshawn10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1646144816999280645

"Nick comes from the NE side where they don't pick the chalk so not getting a QB would be a surprise, but not a shock. Lot of teams didn't have Green as a first rounder and they took him with lots of house hold names on the board. Stingley over Sauce was a surprise leading up to the draft"
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Teams are to have their own boards, but need to cross check those with a good consensus board. I have learned history is not kind to taking players 15-20 picks higher than consensus. I would credit the specific sites that I have borrowed this from but I didn't make note the couple of months back.

Green fell into this "reach" category last year.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I believe the Texans approach with the 2nd pick will come down to which QB the Panthers select. If Carolina goes with Bryce Young the Texans (Caserio & Ryans) could decide that DE- Will Anderson is the better option, since they could select Hendon Hooker with their 12th pick without having to trade up to select CJ Stroud. Stroud and Hooker are just one in the same.....the only difference, David Mulugheta isn't Hooker's agent.
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Come on dude. Even you don't believe what you just wrote. Who has the better career is always unknown so nobody can flat out say Stroud will ultimately be the better QB.

But as NFL rookie prospects, clearly, it's Stroud > Hooker and by a wide margin. They aren't even close to one in the same.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I believe the Texans approach with the 2nd pick will come down to which QB the Panthers select. If Carolina goes with Bryce Young the Texans (Caserio & Ryans) could decide that DE- Will Anderson is the better option, since they could select Hendon Hooker with their 12th pick without having to trade up to select CJ Stroud. Stroud and Hooker are just one in the same.....the only difference, David Mulugheta isn't Hooker's agent.
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With the distinct possibility Texans trade out of #2, Carolina might be ruing trading up to #1.
I have a feeling they were hoping for a giant haul from a trade with us.
The trade is a move that is looking more attractive now that some of the bulldust is settling.
For example, trade down to around #7 and pick up some extra draft capital - perhaps landing their second rounder and an established vet. Here at #7, you probably have the option of Will Levis or the pick of the defense guys left (after WA has gone). Jalen Carter could be on the board or Wilson or Van Ness or the best CB on the board. Lots of options.
 
zshawn10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1646144816999280645

"Nick comes from the NE side where they don't pick the chalk so not getting a QB would be a surprise, but not a shock. Lot of teams didn't have Green as a first rounder and they took him with lots of house hold names on the board. Stingley over Sauce was a surprise leading up to the draft"
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Also, from the NE side is organizational silence. In the last few days, I have heard that the Texans are not leaking anything and literally people saying the Texans are doing this or that are just wild arce guessing.
 
Porky said:
Come on dude. Even you don't believe what you just wrote. Who has the better career is always unknown so nobody can flat out say Stroud will ultimately be the better QB.

But as NFL rookie prospects, clearly, it's Stroud > Hooker and by a wide margin. They aren't even close to one in the same.
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In a QB friendly system, Stroud should be fine.
I just hope whoever it is gets at least 2 seasons before we pass judgement. Trevor Lawrence definitely looked like an NFL starter his sophomore year.
 
Texian said:
The decision on if the Texans draft a QB with the #2 pick will be made by Bobby Slowik and Demeco Ryan's, IMHO.
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If the Texans decide to commit to a QB at #2, obviously what Slowick wants to do in his offensive scheme will be play a big part in who they go with.

But Slowick isn't deciding if they go with a QB at #2 or not. He is being asked IF they decide to go that way, who fits best in his system.

And even then as a rookie OC he might get told who he is getting and to install an offense based on their particular skillsets.
 
badboy said:
What are your thoughts as to Hendon Hooker being unable to read the entire defensive field?
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Hooker's offense was structured requiring him to only read half of the defensive field. The Volunteers offense was built mostly in half-field reads. That means that pre-snap, Hooker had to read the defense for man or zone coverage. Based on what he saw pre-snap and what the motion told him, he played the side of the field to beat that coverage. In no way does it mean Hooker can't read the entire field.
 
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