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Is Anthony Richardson The #1 QB In The Draft Post-Combine?

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ben.aires.smith

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We all know the combine measurables right now, which are off the charts. Interviews went great and that was an apparent consensus among many teams apparently (he's an engaging, confident guy). The throwing drills went well overall—fairly accurate hit on some 60-yard bomds and intermediate throws. And perhaps most importantly, Richardson didn't duck the drills like Stroud, Young etc and participated in the 40/broad jump/vertical etc, so he's earned a lot of notice.

So with all that we've seen, along with what we didn't see from Young/Stroud, does some team fall in love with Richardson and trade up for him?? I mean, I can see it happening, especially with the measurable questions on Young. I donno, what do you think?
 
Full disclosure: I saw enough to take a decent size wager on Richardson futures +400 to be the 1st overall pick. Wish I had him at +8000 in January, but with him doing the drills, we now know Richardson is unlike anybody we've ever seen in teams of the package athletically at QB. I can see Carolina trying to get their Cam Newton 2.0 and letting him sit a year under a competent Sam Darnold.

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ben.aires.smith said:
Full disclosure: I saw enough to take a decent size wager on Richardson futures +400 to be the 1st overall pick. Wish I had him at +8000 in January, but with him doing the drills, we now know Richardson is unlike anybody we've ever seen in teams of the package athletically at QB. I can see Carolina trying to get their Cam Newton 2.0 and letting him sit a year under a competent Sam Darnold.

Edit: Mods, Apologies if wagering reference is not allowed.
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Carolina has an entirely different ownership, front office, and head coach since Cam.. curious why you think this group would necessarily want to have that particular 2.0?
 
Mollywhopper said:
Carolina has an entirely different ownership, front office, and head coach since Cam.. curious why you think this group would necessarily want to have that particular 2.0?
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Just a thought because Newton 1.0 was largely a success. He did take them to a Super Bowl and had some good years there. No insight at all whether new management even wants to recreate that. Looks like they're in the move-up to #1 sweepstakes though.
 
Honestly, I don't think he's going in the 1st rd. I could be wrong, but once he makes it out of the top 10, its going to be a free for all. What will happen is you start to get into near. playoff caliber teams middle of 1st rd. Actually, right after the Texans #12 pick. I don't see a team in the top 20 drafting Richardson and I like the kid.


I mean where? I can see a team like ATL,colts,Titans,Carolina or Vegas going after Stroud if he starts to fall, but not Richardson.
 
Ahh the mirage that is the underwear Olympics. I have him 4th among all QB’s and for this team in particular he is 5th behind Hooker.

I don’t doubt that at least one GM will fall in love and might do something that will possibly cost him his job in a couple of years. I seriously doubt and hope Nick isn’t the idiot that banks his future on a guy that is total boom or bust and I’m leaning bust.
 
If he slips to NYG they should draft him. Daboll has the secret to improve a QBs accuracy.

Barkley with Anderson?

That would be a sight to see.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Just a thought because Newton 1.0 was largely a success. He did take them to a Super Bowl and had some good years there. No insight at all whether new management even wants to recreate that. Looks like they're in the move-up to #1 sweepstakes though.
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Just a thought is totally fair of course.

But like I said, the powers that be in Carolina now have absolutely zero ties to what happened nearly a decade ago now. In fact I think it's fair to think that that style of play - particularly regarding Reich - may be the exact opposite of what they what to structure around.

Not saying it can't happen either, just that I don't get the rush to assume that it's really all that likely.
 
No slowing down on the Richardson hype this morning. Again, I think it was the throwing drill along with the ridiculous measurables that will have this going all the way to draft day. Dude's got a compact and fluid motion and hit most of his throws.

 
ben.aires.smith said:
No slowing down on the Richardson hype this morning. Again, I think it was the throwing drill along with the ridiculous measurables that will have this going all the way to draft day. Dude's got a compact and fluid motion and hit most of his throws.

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Which QBs are the most ready or nearest to being ready for prime-time/starting in the NFL is most likely the biggest criteria the Texans will be considering in which QB they draft this year because it's now time to produce & compete for a division title-P/O
spot, which is doable in the relatively weak AFC South this season.
Richardson is clearly an awesome athlete but realistically his time to lead an NFL franchise is well into the future.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
No slowing down on the Richardson hype this morning. Again, I think it was the throwing drill along with the ridiculous measurables that will have this going all the way to draft day. Dude's got a compact and fluid motion and hit most of his throws.

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Stroud was more impressive on the throwing drills, but that doesn't seem to matter compared to jumping around... idonno:
 
Texansphan said:
Stroud was more impressive on the throwing drills, but that doesn't seem to matter compared to jumping around... idonno:
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I agree with you, Stroud was more impressive in this area, as expected. Stroud's drops looked great, his accuracy is high, release compact and he does it effortlessly. Anybody, such as myself, who is not a Stroud fan should not criticize or diminish him based on arm talent. He definitely has a lot of it.

The point I was making was that although Stroud was the clear passing drill winner, Richardson looked pretty good himself - especially given the accuracy and inconsistency he displayed this year. Sure, he sprayed the ball a little on some intermediate routes (generally high), but he connected on his fair share also. On the deep go routes, he nailed like 3 or 4 passes in a row - looked terrific. And the motion is compact and arm super live (60MPH - more than Levis).

So agreed, Stroud won the combine passing drills 100%. But the question is did Richardson allay some concerning about his passing ability, because he looked pretty good.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
I agree with you, Stroud was more impressive in this area, as expected. Stroud's drops looked great, his accuracy is high, release compact and he does it effortlessly. Anybody, such as myself, who is not a Stroud fan should not criticize or diminish him based on arm talent. He definitely has a lot of it.

The point I was making was that although Stroud was the clear passing drill winner, Richardson looked pretty good himself - especially given the accuracy and inconsistency he displayed this year. Sure, he sprayed the ball a little on some intermediate routes (generally high), but he connected on his fair share also. On the deep go routes, he nailed like 3 or 4 passes in a row - looked terrific. And the motion is compact and arm super live (60MPH - more than Levis).

So agreed, Stroud won the combine passing drills 100%. But the question is did Richardson allay some concerning about his passing ability, because he looked pretty good.
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AR would best be served by sitting on the bench for at least a year and get some pro style drills to improve his accuracy and learn - he is pretty raw and a bit of a project. Just my ho.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
The Combine doesn’t determine any players NFL success…..it simply gives another measurable to add to what has been produced on their CFB career tape.
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Too many variables to factor out of a CFB career. The combine puts everyone on a level playing field.

Does the guy have talent? Is he coachable? Will his OC be selling shoes next season?
 
thunderkyss said:
Too many variables to factor out of a CFB career. The combine puts everyone on a level playing field.

Does the guy have talent? Is he coachable? Will his OC be selling shoes next season?
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…..or will he be the same player seen on Combine Day when the pads go on and athletes are now playing for their careers?
 
If a team decides to force QB need, select Anthony Richardson, then expect him to start in a bad situation, it’s not going to turn out well. Ravens make a lot of sense if Texans are interested in Lamar. Think that would be fair value and winning scenario for both teams.
 
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beerlover said:
If a team decides to force QB need, select Anthony Richardson, then expect him to start in a bad situation, it’s not going to turn out well. Ravens make a lot of sense if Texans are interested in Lamar. Think that would be fair value and winning scenario for both teams.
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What sort of contract do you think LJ's after?
 
We learned nothing new about Anthony Richardson at the the combine. Everyone knew he was an elite athlete. That's why he's been mentioned as a 1st round pick. Not his play at Florida, that was not 1st round caliber.

Here's what we don't know about Anthony Richardson at the combine. How did he do in the team interviews? How was he on the board? Did he come off as a leader of men? It only takes one team to believe. Did Richardson turn anyone into a believer? We won't know until April 27th.
 
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We learned nothing new about Anthony Richardson at the the combine. Everyone knew he was an elite athlete. That's why he's been mentioned as a 1st round pick. Not his play at Florida, that was not 1st round caliber.

He's what we don't know about Anthony Richardson at the combine. How did he do in the team interviews? How was he on the board? Did he come off as a leader of men? It only takes one team to believe. Did Richardson turn anyone into a believer? We won't know until April 27th.
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I don't necessarily agree for two reasons. 1) While we knew he was a freak athlete, we didn't know exactly to what extent. Richardson blew away even those high expectations, and this is why people are still talking about it. And 2) Richardson showed very well in the passing component of the combine, matching Stroud on the deep go-routes and flicking the ball 60+ yards with ease and on target. His sprayed his intermediary stuff a little bit and ball placement needs a little work. But he made his share of throws and most importantly, the mechanics look easy, fluid and compact. This ain't no Kap, a similar measurables monster that needed a total revamp of throwing mechanics.

I don't know if people expected Richardson to look that polished on throwing portion. Combined with the measurables, that's why he could be #1 overall. No QB has his ceiling, and it's not even close. He would easily be the number #1 overall pick with better/more conclusive college production/tape. We shall see if someone just falls in love with the potential I guess.
 
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Texansphan said:
What sort of contract do you think LJ's after?
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He wants Deshaun Watson neighborhood and Ravens haven’t budged. Today they tag him. Trade could still be in the works up until/during draft. Threw Texans name in the hat, just for discussion. Lance Zierlein mentioned the Falcons as interested but in Levis -

PROJECTED TRADE WITH ATLANTA FALCONS
I like to work through various scenarios with my mock drafts. In this hypothetical, the Ravens deal Lamar Jackson to the Falcons in exchange for a draft haul that includes this No. 8 overall pick, which Baltimore uses to select the strong-armed Kentucky gunslinger.

Surprising to me a whole different comp, possibly mid direction. Anthony comp is Lamar he’s just Lamar ++. Only way you know this early to be sure your guy is there, is to trade up to #2. First shoe that has to fall is Chicago and team they trade back with. Ravens selected Lamar with the 32nd pick overall in 2018 NFL draft. Flashing back to his Combine, discussion was what position he could play, other than QB. His arm velocity only measured 49 miles per hour but was 4lbs heavier & 4 inches taller than Bryce Young. Lance gave him a 6th rd. grade, draft score of 5.69. Teams wanted him to do WR/RB drills, he refused.

Richardson style is reminiscent of Lamar’s game, the issue or difference is the data collected is such a small sample size, and if you watch the tape Florida system and receivers did him no favors. What we really need to see and what could be driving interest in front offices, besides Combine measurements, would be his S2 score. That measures his cognitive abilities. Pretty sure NFL teams only have access to this data. Reportedly Bryce Young is exception, he owns his, which has been speculated in top percentile, which explains why game seems slower and more natural than CJ Stroud or Anthony Richardson play speed.
 
beerlover said:
He wants Deshaun Watson neighborhood and Ravens haven’t budged. Today they tag him. Trade could still be in the works up until/during draft. Threw Texans name in the hat, just for discussion. Lance Zierlein mentioned the Falcons as interested but in Levis -

PROJECTED TRADE WITH ATLANTA FALCONS
I like to work through various scenarios with my mock drafts. In this hypothetical, the Ravens deal Lamar Jackson to the Falcons in exchange for a draft haul that includes this No. 8 overall pick, which Baltimore uses to select the strong-armed Kentucky gunslinger.

Surprising to me a whole different comp, possibly mid direction. Anthony comp is Lamar he’s just Lamar ++. Only way you know this early to be sure your guy is there, is to trade up to #2. First shoe that has to fall is Chicago and team they trade back with. Ravens selected Lamar with the 32nd pick overall in 2018 NFL draft. Flashing back to his Combine, discussion was what position he could play, other than QB. His arm velocity only measured 49 miles per hour but was 4lbs heavier & 4 inches taller than Bryce Young. Lance gave him a 6th rd. grade, draft score of 5.69. Teams wanted him to do WR/RB drills, he refused.

Richardson style is reminiscent of Lamar’s game, the issue or difference is the data collected is such a small sample size, and if you watch the tape Florida system and receivers did him no favors. What we really need to see and what could be driving interest in front offices, besides Combine measurements, would be his S2 score. That measures his cognitive abilities. Pretty sure NFL teams only have access to this data. Reportedly Bryce Young is exception, he owns his, which has been speculated in top percentile, which explains why game seems slower and more natural than CJ Stroud or Anthony Richardson play speed.
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I saw a stat where Florida had a 6.2% drop rate this year, which was 112th in FCS. Bad drop team this year for sure. The question really is, has the game changed enough where you just take these monster freaks like Richardson regardless. I mean, he's a fluid thrower with easy delivery. There isn't a massive adjustment needed to get his mechanics to where he needs to be. Just look at where Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen were out of college - similar place.
 
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I saw a stat where Florida had a 6.2% drop rate this year, which was 112th in FCS. Bad drop team this year for sure. The question really is, has the game changed enough where you just take these monster freaks like Richardson regardless. I mean, he's a fluid thrower with easy delivery. There isn't a massive adjustment needed to get his to where he needs to be. Just look at where Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen were out of college - similar place.
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Pair that with what Brock Purdy was able to do in that 49’er system.

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Where Richardson needs to improve — and are those issues fixable?
AREAS NEEDING IMPROVEMENTFIXABLE?
Sailed passesMisses could be attributed to footwork, which is correctable
Navigating the pocket more efficientlyCould improve with experience
Post-snap processingCould improve with experience
 
ben.aires.smith said:
this is why people are still talking about it
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"People" are not NFL teams.
ben.aires.smith said:
Richardson showed very well in the passing component of the combine, matching Stroud on the deep go-routes and flicking the ball 60+ yards with ease and on target.
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Everyone knew Richardson has a strong arm. They also know this.


Richardson is not ready to play QB in the NFL. He looks good playing against air. Put people on the other side of the field, it's a problem. Not the #1 QB in the draft. Day 1 in the NFL, not sure if Richardson is even the 10th best rookie QB. A team will be betting on potential. 2024? 2025? Jordan Love was drafted in 2020, and some wonder if he's ready yet. It will take a premier NFL QB coach to turn Anthony Richardson into a functional starting QB in this league.
 
Lucky said:
"People" are not NFL teams.

Everyone knew Richardson has a strong arm. They also know this.


Richardson is not ready to play QB in the NFL. He looks good playing against air. Put people on the other side of the field, it's a problem. Not the #1 QB in the draft. Day 1 in the NFL, not sure if Richardson is even the 10th best rookie QB. A team will be betting on potential. 2024? 2025? Jordan Love was drafted in 2020, and some wonder if he's ready yet. It will take a premier NFL QB coach to turn Anthony Richardson into a functional starting QB in this league.
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- Doesn't matter if "people" are not NFL teams. Everybody is talking about the performance, and it includes all levels of NFL organizations that evaluate players. Because all the scouts and Tier-1 draftniks are.

- Yes, he's inexperienced and inconsistent. Everybody knew "this" also.

- Nobody disputes that Richardson is ready to be a Day 1 starter. In today's game, NFL teams may not necessarily care to have a Day 1 starter, which would have been a pre-requisite on the past. Attitudes may be changing in the NFL after the recent successes of Newton, Hurts, Allen and Jackson. I don't know if this is true or not, but it might be.
 
Lucky said:
"People" are not NFL teams.

Everyone knew Richardson has a strong arm. They also know this.


Richardson is not ready to play QB in the NFL. He looks good playing against air. Put people on the other side of the field, it's a problem. Not the #1 QB in the draft. Day 1 in the NFL, not sure if Richardson is even the 10th best rookie QB. A team will be betting on potential. 2024? 2025? Jordan Love was drafted in 2020, and some wonder if he's ready yet. It will take a premier NFL QB coach to turn Anthony Richardson into a functional starting QB in this league.
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It is more likely that Anthony Richardson can grow into a starting QB in this league than it is that Bryce Young will grow into the average size of a starting QB.

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TexansBull said:
It is more likely that Anthony Richardson can grow into a starting QB in this league than it is that Bryce Young will grow into the average size of a starting QB.

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Of course Bryce young knew this. Which is why he ducked the throwing portion and every other measurables drill in the combine. Stroud too, for that matter aside from the throwing.
 
beerlover said:
Bryce Young’s shoulder, not so much his size, is my main concern. When CloakNNNdagger speaks, people should listen. Or do we learn nothing from last years #3 selection?
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Intrigued by this potential narrative. I've heard zero about any of it to date, so my assumption is that Young is fine until evidence surfaces.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Intrigued by this potential narrative. I've heard zero about any of it to date, so my assumption is that Young is fine until evidence surfaces.
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There is a lot to unpack with it, but some point to his games after the injury as proof he is fine.
That however does not preclude him having done more damage by doing so.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
- Doesn't matter if "people" are not NFL teams. Everybody is talking about the performance, and it includes all levels of NFL organizations that evaluate players. Because all the scouts and Tier-1 draftniks are.

- Yes, he's inexperienced and inconsistent. Everybody knew "this" also.

- Nobody disputes that Richardson is ready to be a Day 1 starter. In today's game, NFL teams may not necessarily care to have a Day 1 starter, which would have been a pre-requisite on the past. Attitudes may be changing in the NFL after the recent successes of Newton, Hurts, Allen and Jackson. I don't know if this is true or not, but it might be.
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I don’t see the Veer coming to any NFL team soon b/c his Florida performances shouldn’t give any GM goosebumps regarding his ability to read coverages. Sure, Richardson has folks talking about his Combine performance…..but talking is one thing and investing a high RD1 pick is a completely different ball game. Richardson will need a team with patience, a solid QB Coach, flexible OC, and a veteran QB who could help give him guidance during his first couple of seasons while learning the game.
 
Richardson has still only started 13 games and produced a 53.9% completion percentage with a TD-to-INT ratio of < 2. In contrast, Cam Newton last year at Auburn had a 66.1 completion % and a TD-to-INT ratio of > 4. In addition, Auburn went undefeated and won a national championship, Newton also rushed for 20 TDs and won the Heisman Trophy.
 
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