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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

zshawn10 said:
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If they pick a QB at the top of the draft I hope it's Young.

With Stroud being a fan of a sexual predator I certainly hope he's not the pick. Certainly Cal cant be dumb enough to let Stroud and his crew and their relationship with the Texans stick it deeper and deeper in. Video tells me that either Stroud is a very unaware young man, he doesn't want to be a Texan or he's flat out dumb.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
This quote alone made me not want him. Basically said he doesn’t want to go #1. Also publicly stating where he doesn’t want to go. He’ll be another Mulugheta trade candidate.
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You gotta know what David Mullo Getter and his clients are all about and it damn sure isn't about the team or winning championships.
 
Texansballer74 said:
How in the freaking heck is that forcing the pick? That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. If they draft a quarterback high it will be because on their board he’s the best player. And that’s who they all want at that particular pick.
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I don't think that is true when it comes to QB. If Caserio and Ryans say they don't want any of the QBs at 2 and want a defensive player or to trade back, but Cal wants a QB and a "face of the franchise". Who do you think wins?
 
Porky said:
I'm not going to knock him for being truthful. Fields is the guy there. I don't see the Bears tossing him for Stroud, and probably not Young. I think he was stating the obvious while being respectful of his fellow alum.
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Why not, trading Fields and resetting the QB clock is the Bears best chance to win a SB.
 
Porky said:
I think he missed one game in college. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong on that, I'm going purely on memory.

Regardless, there is almost zero comparison to be made between Sting and Young. All players get beat up to some degree. You're talking about a lisfranc for a corner. And feet are kind of important for a corner. This is a corner who consistently lost game time, who consistently was undergoing surgery, who consistently was descending instead of ascending when he did play, and who was taken because of measurables, his so-called scheme versatility, and a freshman season for the ages. It was based on "potential". They went for the two birds in the bush, when they should have drafted the bird in the hand as the Jets did. They got too cute, over-thought it and blew the pick as I predicted before it all happened.

Using Sting as a comparable to Young is just flat-out wrong on all levels and it's a reach by those who are fearful. If you act upon fear, that's when you miss greatness. A lot of teams were afraid of Mahomes too. If you want to reach the stars, you have to aim for the stars. If you miss, you reload and try again. You don't just say oh well...next time, I'll just aim for the lowest cloud I can find. That's a recipe for aimlessness and mediocrity.
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Maybe someday you will take heed of what CnD is trying to tell us.
 
Texian said:
I imagine if there is significant, significant interest in trading up with Chicago, then there would be significant interest in trading up with Houston. I would not be surprised to see Josh McDaniels offer Nick Caserio a 120% value for the #2 pick. Take it Demeco.
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This is exactly what I would do if offered this trade.

Take the riches, get a vet FA QB and draft a QB next yr.
 
steelbtexan said:
When you're the best DL on those teams and those teams had 2 successful 1st rd picks in last years draft it matters.

I see Anderson as a Justin Houston type player as his floor.
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It really doesn't when you're talking about a prospect. Walker went #1 last year, how well did he play? Another marginally productive player on a stacked team. I mean by that theory, Stetson should be a 1st rd pick. All those players off those Bama squads on defense fit the bill also.
 
steelbtexan said:
I don't think anybody is saying don't get a QB this yr. I think they're saying get a QB in FA, draft a QB late this year and draft one of the 3-4 QB's that are better than this yrs class. Don't force the pick.
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In your opinion. They're draft grades for next year might be the same.
 
Daniel Jeremiah:
Kelee Ringo | 6016 | 207 | 8 1/2 hand | 31 1/4 arm | 74 1/8 wing
Brian Branch | 5115 | 190 | 9 1/2 hand | 30 3/4 arm | 75 1/4 wing
Devon Witherspoon | 5114 | 181 | 8 7/8 hand | 31 1/4 arm | 73 5/8 wing
Christian Gonzalez | 6013 | 197 | 9 1/2 hand | 32 arm | 76 7/8 wing
Joey Porter Jr. | 6024 | 193 | 10 hand | 34 arm | 80 7/8 wing
Julius Brents | 6026 | 198 | 9 5/8 hand | 34 arm | 82 5/8 wing
Emmanuel Forbes | 6006 | 166 | 8 1/2 hand | 32 1/4 arm | 79 wing
 
steelbtexan said:
Apples and oranges.

One kid made a mistake and frankly isn't responsible for this tragedy.

The other is an agent who helpwd a pervert beat 25 sexual assault charges.

But you already know this. Thanks for bringing the subject up so we can put crap like this to bed.
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You cherry pick. Without of even knowing the kid who has nothing negative about him, you say he has bad judgement, yet a guy who was racing down the street one in which someone was killed and they were driving in the wrong lane, you're cool with it?
 
leebigeztx said:
What did he say? A young man his age, didn't he see prime Vick, Watson in Houston, and Burrow now or that's being left out?
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At the very least, shows a great deal of ignorance and lack of historical context. Not sure if this can be called a 'red flag', but damn, also shows an acute lack of social awareness. Imagine looking at Vick for inspiration - a guy who was banned by the NFL for 2 seasons for setting up dog fighting gambling matches. And Watson...
 
Porky said:
I think he missed one game in college. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong on that, I'm going purely on memory.

Regardless, there is almost zero comparison to be made between Sting and Young. All players get beat up to some degree. You're talking about a lisfranc for a corner. And feet are kind of important for a corner. This is a corner who consistently lost game time, who consistently was undergoing surgery, who consistently was descending instead of ascending when he did play, and who was taken because of measurables, his so-called scheme versatility, and a freshman season for the ages. It was based on "potential". They went for the two birds in the bush, when they should have drafted the bird in the hand as the Jets did. They got too cute, over-thought it and blew the pick as I predicted before it all happened.

Using Sting as a comparable to Young is just flat-out wrong on all levels and it's a reach by those who are fearful. If you act upon fear, that's when you miss greatness. A lot of teams were afraid of Mahomes too. If you want to reach the stars, you have to aim for the stars. If you miss, you reload and try again. You don't just say oh well...next time, I'll just aim for the lowest cloud I can find. That's a recipe for aimlessness and mediocrity.
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Still crazy to me to call a pick blown after one year
 
Xopher said:
I don't think that is true when it comes to QB. If Caserio and Ryans say they don't want any of the QBs at 2 and want a defensive player or to trade back, but Cal wants a QB and a "face of the franchise". Who do you think wins?
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Actually, Caserio and Ryans. Forget the past, he's going with the two he has put in place to run the team going forward.
 
Khelar said:
Still crazy to me to call a pick blown after one year
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They blew it within the context of the info available at the time the pick was made. Ten years from now, if Sting is great...all well and good. I'll be thrilled. It doesn't change my mind based on the known facts at the time the pick was made. It was blown to me because it showed poor decision-making at the moment. A decision can be wrong at the time it's made, but still turn out right. That doesn't make it the right choice because over time, water finds its level. Poor decisions catch up to you. Show me a poor process and no matter the outcome, it's still a poor process. I'm thinking macro big-picture stuff, not micro. You guys are looking at the ant with a microscope. I'm looking at the anthill from the 2nd story.
 
Porky said:
I think he's talking about their games, although ironically...what those guys do/did, doesn't really compute to me as that is not CJ's style. So, it is a bit of a head-scratcher. I am not removing him from my board, but it's certainly one little piece of a large puzzle to consider...just like his agent. I don't remove him due to his agent, but it's a puzzle piece.
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That’s exactly what he’s talking about.
 
Texian said:
I imagine if there is significant, significant interest in trading up with Chicago, then there would be significant interest in trading up with Houston. I would not be surprised to see Josh McDaniels offer Nick Caserio a 120% value for the #2 pick. Take it Demeco.
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*fingers crossed*

So far, we've got a midget QB, another QB with terrible role models, and an irresponsible DT.

Anderson is the one I'd like to see, but I've got a feeling the Bears are going to grab him first.
 
santo said:
He also mentioned Joe Burrow’s game he mimicked, but you know, anything negative to not pick him. Hopefully Indy falls in love with Levis and we get Stroud. 🤣
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Exactly. He also said he would love to play in Houston. So if we do draft him,watch out.
Dude said he’ll be down for whatever they draft. Yeah we’ll see!
 
leebigeztx said:
It really doesn't when you're talking about a prospect. Walker went #1 last year, how well did he play? Another marginally productive player on a stacked team. I mean by that theory, Stetson should be a 1st rd pick. All those players off those Bama squads on defense fit the bill also.
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Agre to disagree

Apples and Oranges comparison when talking about Bennett. Although I wouldn't mind a vet QB being brought in and Bennett being the late rd QB selected.

Give me the best DL on that team any day and twice on Sunday.
 
leebigeztx said:
In your opinion. They're draft grades for next year might be the same.
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We all have our opinions. The key is respect for differing opinions I respect your opinion on Stroud although I strongly disagree with it. Speaking of Stroud, what are you thinking about him after hearing him at the combine, specifically as it relates to the Texans?
 
leebigeztx said:
You cherry pick. Without of even knowing the kid who has nothing negative about him, you say he has bad judgement, yet a guy who was racing down the street one in which someone was killed and they were driving in the wrong lane, you're cool with it?
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Yes I was a kid once upon a time and did some incredibly dumb things. Yes, I've street raced when I was a kid and loved it. I was blessed nobody got hurt/killed. By the grace of god go I.

No I didn't look up to a guy as a mentor that sexually assaulted 25 women, even as a kid.
 
Jarrett isn't really a guy I've not paid much mind too as I've seen him projected as a pure slot guy. So, haven't really studied the guy at all. Does that mean they can't rely on Metchie? Not that it would shock me, but they are saying all the right things re Metchie so...hmmm.
 
Porky said:
They blew it within the context of the info available at the time the pick was made. Ten years from now, if Sting is great...all well and good. I'll be thrilled. It doesn't change my mind based on the known facts at the time the pick was made. It was blown to me because it showed poor decision-making at the moment. A decision can be wrong at the time it's made, but still turn out right. That doesn't make it the right choice because over time, water finds its level. Poor decisions catch up to you. Show me a poor process and no matter the outcome, it's still a poor process. I'm thinking macro big-picture stuff, not micro. You guys are looking at the ant with a microscope. I'm looking at the anthill from the 2nd story.
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Well I’m glad you think so highly of yourself.

But I think you’re missing some nuance. Yes bad decisions can have good outcomes. Maybe our decisions that lead to losing the #1 pick works out great for us. But everyone can probably agree that winning a meaningless game and losing the #1 pick is an L. There’s no subjectivity there having the #2 pick is worse than having the #1 pick.

Scouting doesn’t seem to be that straightforward to me. If they determined that Stingleys injury history wasn’t worrisome to them and that turns out to be true in the future then I don’t see how that’s a mistake.

Now that being said I think we’re gonna watch Sauce have a better career than Stingley and that decision will probably end up being a mistake. Just don’t think we’re there yet.
 
Thorn said:
Yeah. And now that he's said it, he just replaced Bryce Young on the top of my DO NOT WANT list. Gimme the midget before Stroud.
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I never wanted Stroud to begin with because his huge variability in performance pressured/unpressured. Now this is another notch against. Won't go as far as saying it's a red flag, but a definitely lack of awareness. I want a QB that is AWARE.
 
Khelar said:
Well I’m glad you think so highly of yourself.

But I think you’re missing some nuance. Yes bad decisions can have good outcomes. Maybe our decisions that lead to losing the #1 pick works out great for us. But everyone can probably agree that winning a meaningless game and losing the #1 pick is an L. There’s no subjectivity there having the #2 pick is worse than having the #1 pick.

Scouting doesn’t seem to be that straightforward to me. If they determined that Stingleys injury history wasn’t worrisome to them and that turns out to be true in the future then I don’t see how that’s a mistake.

Now that being said I think we’re gonna watch Sauce have a better career than Stingley and that decision will probably end up being a mistake. Just don’t think we’re there yet.
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Ironically, losing out on #1 could also be the best thing that happened to this club in 2022-2023. Your move Caserio.
 
If you like turnovers, draft Levis. Not saying he can’t improve, but the fans will need to be very patient, and he is a high risk pick. I do think he fits the scheme reasonably well, and his ceiling is high. Still…his floor is low. Young is ready to play today and is as polished a QB can be as an incoming rookie and he takes care of the ball.
 
Porky said:
If you like turnovers, draft Levis. Not saying he can’t improve, but the fans will need to be very patient, and he is a high risk pick. I do think he fits the scheme reasonably well, and his ceiling is high. Still…his floor is low. Young is ready to play today and is as polished a QB can be as an incoming rookie and he takes care of the ball.
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Agreed, if they pick Levis, they need to let him sit for a yr and bring in a vet QB. I think he will cut down on his turnovers, because he wont be playing from behind so much and feel the need to force things as much. He also should be much better protected and hopefully have better weapons around him. Hopefully the turf toe thing has cleared up, that can really affect a QB's accuracy/mobility.

I still dont want them to pick a QB, but after hearing Stroud today and Young, if they do pick a QB I hope it's Levis. Although picking Levis would be a bad mistake IMHO.

Bad thing about this is, Caserio's job most likely will be riding on whatever QB Ryans wants. I'm guessing that QB will be fellow Alabama alum Young.
 
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The quadmire of drafting a 1st round QB
Young
Stroud
Levis
Richardson

All top 1st round draft picks
All receive various opinions and good/bad criticisms and player evaluations from everywhere A-Z
All not yet proven in the NFL
All are more or less physically prone to injury than the other
All should have very good surrounding talented players and a system which differently varies in each team that fits them well. Then they and the teams will be successful.
The draft is still over 45 days away

The Houston Texans last 3 years
2020 W- 4 L- 12
2021 W- 4 L- 13
2022 W- 3 L- 13 T- 1

Texans need to quickly turn things around and become a competitive winning team again.
Going over .500 and above in itself would be a great exciting start in the coming season(s).
There will always be more yearly drafts, free agency, and trades.
Then hopefully comes the next big major step - the playoffs and Superbowl.
 
Decim8 said:
Maybe it’s because they believe they have something in fields idonno:
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In a couple of yrs if Fields does well Mullo Getter will come calling and that's going to kill the cap/their chances of winning a championship. Of course I think Fields is a great tailback, a great QB not so much.
 
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