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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

CloakNNNdagger said:
He suffered a mild compression lumbar vertebral fracture on November 26th when a defender landed on him. He played through it the next game. However, he missed the Rose Bowl and will miss the Combine while rehabbing. Expect someone to bring this up to bring down his Draft value. But this particular type of fracture should have no effect on his long-term performance and/or longevity in general. Unless the Combine reveals any additional damage, he should maintain his potential high draft position.

He did suffer a grade I A/C shoulder injury earlier last season but played through it the rest of the year. His only other injury that I'm aware of dates back to HS, when he suffered a fractured collar bone.
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Thanks for the info CnD!
 
Texian said:
Hyatt might have Jacoby Jones hands. He did have problem with drops.
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I'd like to hear some more opinions on this.

Draftbuzz says: "A savvy, natural pass-catcher with reliable hands and very good focus. Snatches the ball out of the air and shows the concentration to make acrobatic catches look easy." But it also rates his hands at only 77%. It also has him with a QB rating when targeted of an insane 156.5.

Let's see on Saturday ... but, speed speed speed. He has to be doubled teamed, opening up the TE or the SWR.
 
vtech9 said:
Just thinking...With the Jalen Carter issue, Chicago may decide to stick at 1.1, and take Anderson. If that happens, I think it makes the Texans 1.2 pick more valuable.
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Caserio and company would have to entertain trade offers if that happens. Panthers, Falcons and Raiders could be calling.
 
vtech9 said:
Just thinking...With the Jalen Carter issue, Chicago may decide to stick at 1.1, and take Anderson. If that happens, I think it makes the Texans 1.2 pick more valuable.
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I don’t think so. They have too many holes and value the draft capital. That’s just my 2 cents. I think they’ll either still draft Carter, or if Anderson is off the board draft Wilson.
 
TexansBull said:
Caserio and company would have to entertain trade offers if that happens. Panthers, Falcons and Raiders could be calling.
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I'd be willing to trade with Indy as well. Take extra picks from them, and they get a player that they'd probably be able to get if they stay where they are.
 
If the Bears stay put and take Anderson...or even Carter which I now doubt...that makes this an easy choice.

Bryce Young welcome to Texas!
 
Porky said:
If the Bears stay put and take Anderson...or even Carter which I now doubt...that makes this an easy choice.

Bryce Young welcome to Texas!
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I don't know. If Seattle were to offer #1/20 to leapfrog Arizonia, I'd have to take it. And still get either Stroud or Young.
 
Number19 said:
I don't know. If Seattle were to offer #1/20 to leapfrog Arizonia, I'd have to take it. And still get either Stroud or Young.
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So you want to move to the 20th pick from the 2nd pick? And you think Young or Stroud will be there at 20? I'm not sure I understand your proposal.

Just in generic terms, unless someone blows me away, if I am NC, I'm not budging off of 2 if Young is there. In fact if Young is there, there's really nothing reasonable anyone can offer me to move. Young is a likely franchise QB that can change the future of this franchise more than any other person available in this draft. There is no guarantee for any player, but he comes closest in my book, and I'm running to the podium to turn in that card.

Now I am very open to moving #12, just like Nick did last year. I'm looking to move down to 14-20 area and pick up a 3rd in the process. It takes two to tango though so who knows.
 
This is an unlikely scenario for sure, but if Carter drops due to his "situation", I can see the following play out.

Young is drafted #1 (probably the Colts). Instead of Stroud, the Texans draft Will Anderson at 1.2
At 1.12, Carter is still sitting there, so you grab Carter at 1.12
Then at 33, I'm looking at Hooker. I take him and stash him on IR. I sign Brissett to steady the ship for most/all of this year at QB. Mills is #2.
I also take a flyer very late in the draft on Max Duggan, Tune, O'Connell, etc. Probably 7th rd. By the time the next draft rolls around, you've got a real good idea if Hooker has a real chance of being the "dude" and you know if his knee is healthy, or maybe you've even found lightning in a bottle with your late pick. If not...you can select a QB again in 24.
In the 3rd-6th rounds, I'm looking at WR, TE, C, G, RB, S, CB, and LB. The exact positions and specific players will be dictated by what we reel in during FA and best available.

Again...not likely, but this would solve a lot of issues up front on D, and potentially set you up nicely for 24 at the QB position with depth and major upside in Hooker.
 
Number19 said:
That 's not how trades go and you should know it. We swap #2 with #5 and for swapping we get #20.
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I forgot Seattle had Denver's #5, but why would they give up #20 to move up 3 spots? I don't see the justification for it from Seattle's side. And if Young is there at 1.2 I'm not budging anyway, not even for 5 and 20. I'm taking Young no question about it. I love the kid and hope to see him in Steel Blue for years to come.
 
What's the best piece of buzz you've heard heading into the combine?
Miller: There continues to be serious talk among NFL personnel people that Will Levis could be the first quarterback off the board, depending on which team ultimately ends up with the first overall pick should the Chicago Bears make a trade. Levis had an up-and-down season (19 touchdown passes, 10 interceptions), but his arm talent, mobility and toughness are boosting his draft stock. Many evaluators believe that he was held back a bit by multiple coordinator changes at Kentucky, too.
Kiper: Some people around the league are very lukewarm on the receivers in this class, while others think there could be five first-rounders. They all have flaws, though. Jaxon Smith-Njigba is coming off a big injury. Zay Flowers (Boston College) lacks ideal size at 5-foot-10 and 172 pounds. Quentin Johnston (TCU) has a few too many drops and has been inconsistent. Jalin Hyatt needs to get a lot stronger. Jordan Addison (USC) is really lean at 175 pounds. This is a big week to see how the WR class will shake out.
Reid: Don't be surprised if Georgia's Broderick Jones is the first offensive tackle off of the board despite just 15 career starts. There's a debate over whether Peter Skoronski (Northwestern) is better suited at guard or tackle, and opinions are mixed on the long-term upside of Paris Johnson Jr. (Ohio State) at the position. But Jones' 6-foot-4, 310-pound frame, ability to mirror and match pass-rushers and his physicality as a run-blocker are all intriguing to NFL scouts. He has immediate-starter traits and plenty of room for growth, including improving his pad level.


What is the most important key to a good week for Richardson?

Miller: While defense-less combine drills won't allow Richardson to answer too many questions about his decision-making when under pressure, he can show better ball placement. And he can prove that his accuracy and mechanics are improving as he focuses on the draft process. Remember Josh Allen wowing us all with his throws against no defenders at the 2018 combine? Richardson can do the same and begin what I think will be a climb up draft boards.

Interviews will no doubt be important for Richardson, too, and I've heard he is interviewing very well. One AFC scout told me Richardson might not make it out of the top five picks.
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TexanBorn51 said:
Best QB available for that system within different opinions. Ryans also noted that the Texans only have one quarterback, Davis Mills, on the roster and will need to add two more. Is it possible they will draft 2 QBs? Thinking that at least 1 out of the 2 will be very franchise successful js.
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I wouldn’t mind taking a guy like Stetson Bennett in the 5th-6th range. Would be like when Redskins drafted RG3 and Cousins same draft.
 
vtech9 said:
Yeah, I was in the same boat on Clowney. This bothers me about Carter as well. I'm guessing after this incident, Carter now falls. If he falls to 1.12, would you be willing to take Carter? I'm out on him at 1.2, but if he falls to 1.12, I'd have a hard time not taking him. Since I'm not taking a QB at 1.2, if Da'Bears take Anderson at 1.1, I want to trade down a few picks and take Tyree Wilson or Myles Murphy. I like Murphy because he has the size to be a run stopper, while also having the speed to be a pass rusher.

I find it highly likely that almost everyone here has tested out the need for speed.
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I would take Carter who was a member of a 2 times and counting National Championship team. I get what you're saying about Clowney but from what I've read Carter is far from Clowney. I do consider this ver suspicious that this accident happened on January 15th and this info is just now coming out at the combine.

I know it was only one game, but watching Notre Dame dominate the LOS has me turned off towards Murphy and Bresee. The best Clemson DL in that game was Davis.
 
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Porky said:
I forgot Seattle had Denver's #5, but why would they give up #20 to move up 3 spots? I don't see the justification for it from Seattle's side. And if Young is there at 1.2 I'm not budging anyway, not even for 5 and 20. I'm taking Young no question about it. I love the kid and hope to see him in Steel Blue for years to come.
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If Tiny Tim is there at 1.2, I'm considering all offers. I'd be selling to the highest bidder. I'm just not taking Tiny Tim in the 1st round, and maybe not even in the 2nd round.
 
Porky said:
This is an unlikely scenario for sure, but if Carter drops due to his "situation", I can see the following play out.

Young is drafted #1 (probably the Colts). Instead of Stroud, the Texans draft Will Anderson at 1.2
At 1.12, Carter is still sitting there, so you grab Carter at 1.12
Then at 33, I'm looking at Hooker. I take him and stash him on IR. I sign Brissett to steady the ship for most/all of this year at QB. Mills is #2.
I also take a flyer very late in the draft on Max Duggan, Tune, O'Connell, etc. Probably 7th rd. By the time the next draft rolls around, you've got a real good idea if Hooker has a real chance of being the "dude" and you know if his knee is healthy, or maybe you've even found lightning in a bottle with your late pick. If not...you can select a QB again in 24.
In the 3rd-6th rounds, I'm looking at WR, TE, C, G, RB, S, CB, and LB. The exact positions and specific players will be dictated by what we reel in during FA and best available.

Again...not likely, but this would solve a lot of issues up front on D, and potentially set you up nicely for 24 at the QB position with depth and major upside in Hooker.
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I'm picking either Anderson or Wilson at 1-2 and drafting Carter at 1-12. If Carter falls to 1-7 or 1-8 I'm trading up for him. This sets the DL for the next decade.
 
Carter is going to drop.

Multiple rumors of up to 7 teams trading up to 1 are going on. 610 says yesterday that they are really thinking that IF Young is the Texans target, barring trading up...he will be gone when we pick. McClain was quoted by one of the 400pm show that Young may not be as high as many think. For whatever that is or if he even said it no idea. I hope we take a Stroud who I think is a better fit. But we will see.
 
Porky said:
I forgot Seattle had Denver's #5, but why would they give up #20 to move up 3 spots? I don't see the justification for it from Seattle's side. And if Young is there at 1.2 I'm not budging anyway, not even for 5 and 20. I'm taking Young no question about it. I love the kid and hope to see him in Steel Blue for years to come.
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It's just a possibility. Chicago, Arizonia, Seattle and Detroit all have high priority for Edge and DL. If Chicago takes either Anderson or Carter off the boards, then maybe Seattle just might want to leapfrog Arizonia to get the other blue chipper. Value wise, it would take #20 to do so. Odds for this happening? Probably not. But if the offer was made, I'd take it. If the Texans have Stroud and Young equally valued, Caserio would trade. If Slowik really wants Young, maybe not.
 
vtech9 said:
Yeah, I was in the same boat on Clowney. This bothers me about Carter as well. I'm guessing after this incident, Carter now falls. If he falls to 1.12, would you be willing to take Carter? I'm out on him at 1.2, but if he falls to 1.12, I'd have a hard time not taking him. Since I'm not taking a QB at 1.2, if Da'Bears take Anderson at 1.1, I want to trade down a few picks and take Tyree Wilson or Myles Murphy. I like Murphy because he has the size to be a run stopper, while also having the speed to be a pass rusher.

I find it highly likely that almost everyone here has tested out the need for speed.
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I would draft him at 1.12 but doubt he drops out of top 5. I could see Pete Carroll taking him at #5.
 
Just a thought, if Carter falls. It would stand to reason that Chicago might be looking to move from #1. And the GM has said things related to listing to offers...
 
Texansphan said:
Agree.
People living in glass houses...
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This is such a logical fallacy.

I did drugs and it messed up my life, therefore I can't say don't do drugs to anyone else.

We ALL did stupid stuff when we were younger. Thankfully there was no social media back in the day to capture it all. The fact that we are posting on this MB is a testament to not dying from our stupid decisions.

But that doesn't mean we can't say that someone did a stupid thing and should be held accountable. Because we should have been held accountable. In many cases we were. Or at least I was. My stepdad was a cop from Detroit during the 70's riots. He knew how to knock a few heads together.
 
steelbtexan said:
Do you consider being charged with 2 misdemeanors to be messy?

A young kid made a mistake.

What young kid hasn't?
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The two misdemeanors are related to an incident where people died. He elected to participate in extremely high speed street racing with two other vehicles where they were weaving into oncoming traffic. His actions directly contributed to two individuals, one of which was his teammate, losing their lives. Considering he has prior incidents of street racing, this feels like more than a young kid making a mistake. This is a pattern of poor choices that ultimately led to people dying.

But I know you love you some bad boys and think this now makes him the overwhelming #1 pick and they should trade their whole draft capital to get him at 1.1
 
sandman said:
The two misdemeanors are related to an incident where people died. He elected to participate in extremely high speed street racing with two other vehicles where they were weaving into oncoming traffic. His actions directly contributed to two individuals, one of which was his teammate, losing their lives. Considering he has prior incidents of street racing, this feels like more than a young kid making a mistake. This is a pattern of poor choices that ultimately led to people dying.

But I know you love you some bad boys and think this now makes him the overwhelming #1 pick and they should trade their whole draft capital to get him at 1.1
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The lady made the choices that caused their deaths.

Drinking driving/speeding.

The rest of the post is nothing more than a bunch of hyperbole.
 
sandman said:
This is such a logical fallacy.

I did drugs and it messed up my life, therefore I can't say don't do drugs to anyone else.

We ALL did stupid stuff when we were younger. Thankfully there was no social media back in the day to capture it all. The fact that we are posting on this MB is a testament to not dying from our stupid decisions.

But that doesn't mean we can't say that someone did a stupid thing and should be held accountable. Because we should have been held accountable. In many cases we were. Or at least I was. My stepdad was a cop from Detroit during the 70's riots. He knew how to knock a few heads together.
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What would you consider accountable?
 
I'm going back to my original thoughts when the Texans were in line for the #1 pick with some new thoughts.

#2A If Bryce Young is available draft him. Coach him up and keep him on the bench. If the Texans can draft Williams or Maye next year, do it and trade Young for (2) 1s or a (1), (2) and a (3). If Williams and Maye are not available you still have a QB of the future.

#2B If Young is gone, trade back for a min of 120% of the value of the #2 pick. Caserio makes a deal with his buddy McDaniels for #7, #38 and #1 in 2024.

#2C If no trade partner draft Anderson.
 
Texian said:
I'm going back to my original thoughts when the Texans were in line for the #1 pick with some new thoughts.

#2A If Bryce Young is available draft him. Coach him up and keep him on the bench. If the Texans can draft Williams or Maye next year, do it and trade Young for (2) 1s or a (1), (2) and a (3). If Williams and Maye are not available you still have a QB of the future.

#2B If Young is gone, trade back for a min of 120% of the value of the #2 pick. Caserio makes a deal with his buddy McDaniels for #7, #38 and #1 in 2024.

#2C If no trade partner draft Anderson.
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More or less than my personal plan, without the trading part. I'm drafting Young if he is there and keeping that guy and watching him hoist that Lombardi high over that 5' 10" tiny Tim body with midget's hands at least once in his career...hopefully multiple times. It will be beautiful to watch all of the crow dinners being devoured.
 
Porky said:
More or less than my personal plan, without the trading part. I'm drafting Young if he is there and keeping that guy and watching him hoist that Lombardi high over that 5' 10" tiny Tim body with midget's hands at least once in his career...hopefully multiple times. It will be beautiful to watch all of the crow dinners being devoured.
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meh.....I've had crow before. Better than Jack In The Box tacos.
 
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