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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

vtech9 said:
You can find a diamond in the rough occasionally, but beyond Carter, Kancey, and Mazi Smith, the DT class isn't that strong this year. I had high hopes for Ika early in the season, but the more I saw him play, the more disappointed I became. He was slow, and just looked out of shape. Ika is still my 4th rated DT in this draft, but I'd probably push him down to the 3rd.
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Ika was one of many who seemed to mail it in this season perhaps resting on effort from year before.
 
vtech9 said:
But Van Ness and Sanders aren't there yet, and there's no guarantee they ever will be, so I'm not spending a 1st round pick on them.

Keion White is an option for me in a trade down situation if we can't get one of the other DE's. I'd take White late in the first round. Normally, I would say 2nd round for White, but I think there will be a run on DE's, and he may not make it to the 2nd.
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Who do you think is already there and will be available at 1-12. I see no sure things at 1-12 in this draft. Maybe Bijan falls and I see him as a sure thing.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I just discovered that Bryce Young's shoulder injury last Oct not only included an A/C separation and a mild rotator cuff injury, but that he also suffered a shoulder joint subluxation on that play........an injury that has gotten no play by the media.............and has significant prognostic implications.

While sometimes the symptoms of subluxation are mild, it can potentially lead to long term problems including recurrence, full dislocation, rotator cuff injury and arthritis. Shoulder subluxation is defined as partial or incomplete dislocation of the glenohumeral (shoulder) joint or displacement of the humeral head (the ball of the joint) and glenoid fossa (the socket of the joint) while the humeral head is in contact with the glenoid fossa. The weakness of rotator cuff muscles or laxity of the glenohumeral ligaments causes the humeral head (the ball of the joint) to slip out of the glenoid fossa (the socket of the joint) easily and results in glenohumeral (shoulder joint) subluxation.

When a subluxation occurs, the labrum is not uncommonly torn from the bone and the capsule is stretched. These injuries can cause recurrent instability. During the Combine, there will be concentrated attention especially to the condition of his labrum.

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The shoulder joint's stability depends on the labrum, but just as importantly if not more so, the surrounding muscles including the rotator cuff muscles to protect it . Looking a Young's muscle development casts further doubt in my mind on his ability to avoid further shoulder (amongst other) issues in his NFL future.
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I am hearing Derek stingley again this year although with a different part of the body. ☹️😖
 
badboy said:
Ika was one of many who seemed to mail it in this season perhaps resting on effort from year before.
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Yeah, and I just don't understand that mentality, and don't really want it on my team. I mean, your final season should be the one you show your best, because it's the one that determines your draft future. If Ika would have played well, I would have thought of him as a 1st round pick, but now, I'm looking at him as a possible 3rd. He'll probably still go in the 2nd though.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree with him. If he's not successful, it won't be because of his height.

Curious though. He's talking about "somebody" was throwing the ball at Alabama, yada, yada, yada... as if. Who are the other great QBs to come out of Alabama? I understand all the qualifications, I'm just saying the way he's broaching the subject, it's like he's saying, "He played well at Alabama, he'll be successful in the NFL & we know that's just not the case."
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No, he is saying that there were other good passing quarterbacks at Alabama historically and Bryce Young was much better.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree with him. If he's not successful, it won't be because of his height.

Curious though. He's talking about "somebody" was throwing the ball at Alabama, yada, yada, yada... as if. Who are the other great QBs to come out of Alabama? I understand all the qualifications, I'm just saying the way he's broaching the subject, it's like he's saying, "He played well at Alabama, he'll be successful in the NFL & we know that's just not the case."
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Alabama was never known as a Quarterback U; however, his last three predecessors are all starters in the NFL at this moment in time. One just won a Super Bowl. Another was in MVP conversations earlier this season. The third is a frat boy who had a great rookie year, but did regress a bit last season. Recent history seems to indicate that they are doing something different there in terms of producing NFL level QBs.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
This is what I heard also, but that also fits my anti-trade up agenda. Carstereo also he is not worried about draft trades until April.
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Worried may not be right word but he is absolutely concerned and aware of all possible trade scenarios. Not just 1.2 to 1.1 but other teams might trade to any spot and how that impacts Texans. He isn't waiting until April to set up scenarios.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Again, the Texans are not trading up. The can't put together the type of offer other teams can behind them with less leverage, unless they overpay (or unless the Bears somehow want Cooks, which they probably don't). And that means, Caserio puts his job on the line x 2 if he misses on the QB top pick AND gives up a bunch of draft assets by overpaying relative to draft position. Can't see that happening in a year there's no QB consensus. Caserio isn't a gambler like that.

All this talk about Texans trading up coming from craprag media like the WheelHouse on YouTube are just clickbait noise.
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I'm sure you read the tweet from Dov Kleavage (🫣) Texans get 1.1 and Justin Fields for 1.2 and a 2024 round 1. Ignore validity that is a good if not great trade for both teams. Not an over pay and can be done.
 
vtech9 said:
I'm still in the Carter or trade down camp. I like Will Anderson, but I also like Myles Murphy and Tyree Wilson, so if we can't get Carter, I'd be more than happy to trade down a few picks and get either Murphy or Wilson....or even WR Quentin Johnston if for some reason all 4 of those guys are off the board. If that happens, I'm also trying to trade down from 1.12 to later in the 1st round, and looking at BJ Ojulari, Zach Harrison, or Keion White at DE, or grabbing Calijah Kancey or Mazi Smith at DT. With the 2nd round pick, I'm going IOL with O'Cyrus Torrence, John Michael Schmitz, Cody Mauch, or maybe Luke Wypler or Steve Avila.
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steelbtexan said:
Who do you think is already there and will be available at 1-12. I see no sure things at 1-12 in this draft. Maybe Bijan falls and I see him as a sure thing.
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I think my above post answers your question. If we can't get Carter at 1.2, I'm taking one of the DE's or trading down a few picks for one of the those 3 DE's or WR Quentin Johnston. If for some reason we miss on one of those DE's or Johnston, I'm taking the 1.12 pick, and trying to trade back. If we have to stick with 1.12, and those guys are all gone, I'm probably pulling the trigger on S Brian Branch, CB's Witherspoon or Gonzalez, or LB Trenton Simpson.
 
sandman said:
Alabama was never known as a Quarterback U; however, his last three predecessors are all starters in the NFL at this moment in time. One just won a Super Bowl. Another was in MVP conversations earlier this season. The third is a frat boy who had a great rookie year, but did regress a bit last season. Recent history seems to indicate that they are doing something different there in terms of producing NFL level QBs.
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I must have missed something. Which former Alabama QB just won the Super Bowl?
 
vtech9 said:
I think my above post answers your question. If we can't get Carter at 1.2, I'm taking one of the DE's or trading down a few picks for one of the those 3 DE's or WR Quentin Johnston. If for some reason we miss on one of those DE's or Johnston, I'm taking the 1.12 pick, and trying to trade back. If we have to stick with 1.12, and those guys are all gone, I'm probably pulling the trigger on S Brian Branch, CB's Witherspoon or Gonzalez, or LB Trenton Simpson.
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if either of those corner backs are there at 12, man it would difficult to ignore. Also if Tyree Wilson dropped.
 
badboy said:
I'm sure you read the tweet from Dov Kleavage (🫣) Texans get 1.1 and Justin Fields for 1.2 and a 2024 round 1. Ignore validity that is a good if not great trade for both teams. Not an over pay and can be done.
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I would put this in the 'something strong to consider' category right now. Intriguing, to say the least.
 
Porky said:
I am happy we have an actual medical Dr as a big Texans fan and one who really enjoys contributing and I think he adds a ton to this forum. So major Kudos to Doc and his research is relevant and you can be sure all teams will dive into that shoulder intently.

That said, he's still human and prone to his own biases and so forth. He seems to be putting all of his "research" into finding out what health/injury concerns Young has. I'm just wondering if he's putting in the time on any of the other top QB prospects or other top prospects generally. What about Stroud, Levis, et al. Are they clean as a whistle?
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I've already posted injury info/concerns regarding Stroud.

As far as Levis, in the 2022 season he suffered through multiple injuries throughout the season...........A dislocated middle finger, a grade II ankle sprain, a foot injury (which was actually a grade II turf toe) and undisclosed shoulder injury (actually a grade II A/C separation). He only missed 2 games. The dislocated finger was on his nonthrowing hand and his shoulder injury was on his nonthrowing shoulder. Nevertheless, he is a tough SOB. He might as well not had an Oline as bad as it was........probably a reason for him having less than truly impressive numbers. He may need to be held back once in the NFL because he not only does not shy from conduct, he seems to embrace it.

On the positive side, his injuries are not the type that should be long-term concerns.

BTW, it does not appear that Levis had any significant injury history prior to last season.
 
steelbtexan said:
Van Ness is 21 years old
I want to see how he tests. He's only scratched the surface of what he can be.

Last year was Sanders 1st year to EVER play LB. He played TE on highschool so he should be able to learn to cover and should be better with better talent around him, there wasn't a lot of talent on the Hogs defense. He should be an ascending player.

Keion White DE Georgia Tech, has all of the measurables you could ever dream of. Best football should be ahead of him too
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I think White is going to be a stud.
 
badboy said:
Worried may not be right word but he is absolutely concerned and aware of all possible trade scenarios. Not just 1.2 to 1.1 but other teams might trade to any spot and how that impacts Texans. He isn't waiting until April to set up scenarios.
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Caserio's words, take as you want

“I think we’re focused on the Texans,” Texans General Manager Nick Caserio said Tuesday. “We’re not necessarily worried about what other teams around us are doing. You’re cognizant of that, but ultimately you have to be prepared to pick wherever you’re going to pick. Then, be prepared to pick whatever player. I’d say most teams, not to generalize here, but most teams wherever they pick you probably have three or four guys that you would feel comfortable taking. If a team is in front of you and you’re only talking about one player, then it’s going to leave two to three other players. So, you’re either comfortable with that group of players or you’re not. Again, you can’t really get too caught up in what other teams are doing. You just try to make decisions that you feel are best for your team and your situation.”
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vtech9 said:
I think my above post answers your question. If we can't get Carter at 1.2, I'm taking one of the DE's or trading down a few picks for one of the those 3 DE's or WR Quentin Johnston. If for some reason we miss on one of those DE's or Johnston, I'm taking the 1.12 pick, and trying to trade back. If we have to stick with 1.12, and those guys are all gone, I'm probably pulling the trigger on S Brian Branch, CB's Witherspoon or Gonzalez, or LB Trenton Simpson.
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I dont care for Murphy, he's a lot like the guys I listed. He certainly hasn't played to his potential. But has played with much better talent around him than the guys I listed. I'm not big on this WR class. Johnston has a chance to be really good if he learns to catch the ball with his hands and not his body. It's possible for this to happen, it did with AJ. Give me a learning Sanders over Simpson.

If you want to go the safest route possible to get a 10 yr starter, then Schmitz should be the pick. I know where others have him ranked but he was a leader and really surprised me at the Sr. Bowl with his ability to make blocks in space.
 
badboy said:
I'm sure you read the tweet from Dov Kleavage (🫣) Texans get 1.1 and Justin Fields for 1.2 and a 2024 round 1. Ignore validity that is a good if not great trade for both teams. Not an over pay and can be done.
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You would like Casserio to pull the trigger on that deal if given the opportunity ?
I don't know what to think of Fields but Jalen Hurts would seem to be a comparable and I dunno about Hurts ?
The thing about Hurts is that he is surrounded by such a talented team: I mean I dunno but is Justin Fields Jalen Hurts if he starts for Philly ?
 
IDEXAN said:
You would like Casserio to pull the trigger on that deal if given the opportunity ?
I don't know what to think of Fields but Jalen Hurts would seem to be a comparable and I dunno about Hurts ?
The thing about Hurts is that he is surrounded by such a talented team: I mean I dunno but is Justin Fields Jalen Hurts if he starts for Philly ?
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If Fields is in NFL player of year talk at end of 2024 and takes Texans to SB, you betcha. We need to build around QB position as did Eagles and we can.

Justin Fields in his 3rd NFL season with Eagles coaching/roster could be Hurts, imo.

Would he be Hurts- like on Texans this year? No but neither would Caleb Williams.

As much as i would be satisfied with Fields, even more would be 1.1 and the trade offers we hear Bears are allegedly receiving.
 
steelbtexan said:
I dont care for Murphy, he's a lot like the guys I listed. He certainly hasn't played to his potential. But has played with much better talent around him than the guys I listed. I'm not big on this WR class. Johnston has a chance to be really good if he learns to catch the ball with his hands and not his body. It's possible for this to happen, it did with AJ. Give me a learning Sanders over Simpson.

If you want to go the safest route possible to get a 10 yr starter, then Schmitz should be the pick. I know where others have him ranked but he was a leader and really surprised me at the Sr. Bowl with his ability to make blocks in space.
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Agree with all but like Murphy more.
 
austins23 said:
If both these guys are the same height, one eats lots of tortillas and pizza, the other kale and broccoli!
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They have totally different bone frame structure. And one can carry more weight appropriately.

Determining Your Body Frame Size and Its Impact on Body Weight

Be able to calculate their body frame size and how that impacts their weight.
Body frame size is important in
helping you determine your ideal body weight. Body frame size is
calculated as small, medium or large.

There are several methods for determining your body frame
size. we will look at how to use your wrist
circumference to determine your frame size. You can take a rough
measurement of frame size by wrapping your thumb and index
finger around your wrist at the point where you would wear a
wristwatch. If your thumb and index finger overlap, you have a
small frame. If your thumb and index finger touch, you have a
medium frame. If your thumb and index finger do not touch, you
have a large frame.

Your frame size can also be determined by taking a measurement of your wrist and comparing it to your height.
The wrist measurement should be taken at the point where you would place your wristwatch. See the picture for a
reference point. Now take your wrist measurement and compare it to your height on the chart below:
Height Wrist Size Body Frame Size
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CloakNNNdagger said:
They have totally different bone frame structure. And one can carry more weight appropriately.

Determining Your Body Frame Size and Its Impact on Body Weight

Be able to calculate their body frame size and how that impacts their weight.
Body frame size is important in
helping you determine your ideal body weight. Body frame size is
calculated as small, medium or large.

There are several methods for determining your body frame
size. we will look at how to use your wrist
circumference to determine your frame size. You can take a rough
measurement of frame size by wrapping your thumb and index
finger around your wrist at the point where you would wear a
wristwatch. If your thumb and index finger overlap, you have a
small frame. If your thumb and index finger touch, you have a
medium frame. If your thumb and index finger do not touch, you
have a large frame.

Your frame size can also be determined by taking a measurement of your wrist and comparing it to your height.
The wrist measurement should be taken at the point where you would place your wristwatch. See the picture for a
reference point. Now take your wrist measurement and compare it to your height on the chart below:
Height Wrist Size Body Frame Size
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Exactly. When I saw this picture the first thing I looked at were their wrists. It is usually a pretty good indicator. Young's are much smaller.
 
zshawn10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1630701803053383692
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Excellent! Love the way Caserio is sounding with his pre-draft speak. Not some retarded common fan wishing to grab a QB @ 2 at all costs. While that may or may not happen, seems like he understands the long game or team building and will add one when appropriate. He's not going to get goaded into and risk his job necessarily to draft a QB @ 2 just because one is needed.
 
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zshawn10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1630701803053383692
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Yep. Stay Put! Also the way I see it if the Texans trade (giving up picks) from 2 to 1 and does not pan out later the scrutiny will settle in from everywhere. If they choose a QB with their present picks at least nothing was sacrificed and at the same time filling in other needed positions.
The good ol could've should've would've may be eliminated and as the draft process continues with the set selections. Especially the first maybe second rounds. Later rounds have more play around to trade up or down.
 
banned1976 said:
But in order to win a super bowl, you need at least a pretty good quarterback. Hopefully they'll get a great one...next year.
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You think we'll be competing for a Super Bowl next year?

In order to win the Super You can't be giving up 200 yard games to any single RB, much less the same guy twice a year. You can't have a division rival setting receiving records against your team. We can't keep drafting TEs & not have a starting TE since 2013. We can't be firing minority HCs every year

I mean.... we're not winning the Super Bowl next year.
 
Texans need to stay put at 2. Let another team pay out the nose for a QB who isn’t a slam dunk can’t miss prospect (none this year).

Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don’t make. Ideal scenario is it forces the Texans to take the stud DL (Anderson or Carter whatever your preference) at 2 and then get the best QB on the board at 12. And if you really want to “get your guy” trade up to the 8-9 range for less than it would take to move up to 1.
 
I'll be interested to see not only what Young's height at the Combine is, but also what his weight is then.......and when he plays in the 2023 season.

Bryce entered college supposedly at 190 lb and played most of his time there supposedly at 190 until later in 2022 when supposedly weighed as high as 194 lb.


Brees entered college in 1997 weighing 190 lb. By 1999 until his graduation in 2001, he played at 209 lb. At his Combine, he weighed in at 213 lb...........as is classic, he quickly thereafter got down to his 209 lb playing weight.
 
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TheRealJoker said:
Texans need to stay put at 2. Let another team pay out the nose for a QB who isn’t a slam dunk can’t miss prospect (none this year).

Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don’t make. Ideal scenario is it forces the Texans to take the stud DL (Anderson or Carter whatever your preference) at 2 and then get the best QB on the board at 12. And if you really want to “get your guy” trade up to the 8-9 range for less than it would take to move up to 1.
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What if they trade up for Anderson or Carter.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
They have totally different bone frame structure. And one can carry more weight appropriately.

Determining Your Body Frame Size and Its Impact on Body Weight

Be able to calculate their body frame size and how that impacts their weight.
Body frame size is important in
helping you determine your ideal body weight. Body frame size is
calculated as small, medium or large.

There are several methods for determining your body frame
size. we will look at how to use your wrist
circumference to determine your frame size. You can take a rough
measurement of frame size by wrapping your thumb and index
finger around your wrist at the point where you would wear a
wristwatch. If your thumb and index finger overlap, you have a
small frame. If your thumb and index finger touch, you have a
medium frame. If your thumb and index finger do not touch, you
have a large frame.

Your frame size can also be determined by taking a measurement of your wrist and comparing it to your height.
The wrist measurement should be taken at the point where you would place your wristwatch. See the picture for a
reference point. Now take your wrist measurement and compare it to your height on the chart below:
Height Wrist Size Body Frame Size
View attachment 11722
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Thanks
 
While any player is a gamble. It seems like 50% of the forum would happily take a 5' 9 maybe 10 180-some pound QB who has known weaknesses and has a reoccurring AC joint injury. Personally, even if it's not my money (I'm not paying the contract) I take the guy who has no injury issue and is taller than my daughter (2 of the 3 are 5' 10")
 
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