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Khelar said:
Is that true? I specifically remember Lawrence and Herbert doing the combine in 2020 and 21. Regardless even if that is the case it doesn’t make me very confident that he will actually be playing at around 200
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No, I’m lying.

Lawrence only measured. Burrow only measured. Herbert participated in drills, but his draft slot was not nailed down.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Where in that question does it say I want Young?
Just wondering
And dude you don’t have to pull up any of my comments. I know what I said on here.
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I like to pull up quotes. It's why the forum has the multi-quote function.

You take things way too personal on here. The multi-quote isn't an attack and had you just sat back for a hot minute you would have seen I adjusted my comment.

Anyway, if I want to tell you I think your full of ****, I would just say that. I mean, how long have you known me?
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
I follow the logic being used here (I think at least). If the goal is to ultimately win a Superbowl then you want players who have characteristics or traits needed to win. Especially, physically there are general qualities that are more successful than others.

Not matching the past profile does not mean different types won't ever win or that the profile can't change, but a good deal of the league follows these prototypes arguably even our current GM.
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We don’t know what type of team we will have first of all. Now if you have a team already built and is only a quarterback away or a certain player of need away from contending for a SB.
Lastly let’s see some play first before even bringing up SB.
 
Lucky said:
Are you really worried about drills at the combine for Young? It's ridiculous. Watch some tape.
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Wonder if he'll work out at the Alabama pro day instead? Teams might still want to check out some very specific things within his skillset although game tape will always rule.
 
banned1976 said:
I like to pull up quotes. It's why the forum has the multi-quote function.

You take things way too personal on here. The multi-quote isn't an attack and had you just sat back for a hot minute you would have seen I adjusted my comment.

Anyway, if I want to tell you I think your full of ****, I would just say that. I mean, how long have you known me?
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Didn’t take it personal at all, just letting you know I know exactly what I posted on here.

And yes I know all the regulars on here. That’s why I asked ST why was he bring up SB? Especially when he should know, no one knows if any of these players will make it to the SB. And with the Texans

Last thing, if I’m not dropping F bombs, B bombs and other crafty words. You should know I’m not in my feelings. It’s not even worth banned
 
Khelar said:
I am if he’s bulked up that much. Was he playing this year at a weight of 200?
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Good grief.
Porky said:
Wonder if he'll work out at the Alabama pro day instead? Teams might still want to check out some very specific things within his skillset although game tape will always rule.
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Guys usually workout at the pro day to attract scouts to see players that didn't get combine invites. Though Bama's pro day is packed with scouts, anyway.
 
Texian said:
Because it does not meet with their bias and agenda. His question was really uninformed. Young is in top physical and athletic condition preparing for the NFL Combine. Basic common sense should tell you it is not fat.
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I guess my 10-15 lbs weight gain is all muscle as well. Basic common sense…
 
steelbtexan said:
Tell me, do you think he will be able to carry the extra weight for 20 games it will take to win a SB?

What facts are known, other than what Young told us? Do you think Young would tell us anything differently than he did?
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Extra weight, from where? I'm saying Young was being truthful when interviewed in October when he said he was playing at 196 pounds. I'm not inferring he should or will be playing at 220 pounds. But 205 to 210? Yes. He should be able to play at that weight.

Do I think Young was lying? Is that what you are asking or inferring? No, I don't. I think Young was being truthful. I think he is a high character young man, until I have reason to think otherwise.
 
frethack said:
Not making an argument for drafting Young here, but doesnt this depend on what makes up the extra mass?

Increasing your weight 10% with muscle will have wildly different effects on your metrics vs fat...and there would be shades in between. Play strength, speed, durability, change of direction (and more)...all of these would be impacted differently.

Lets say he adds 8% muscle and 2% fat. Do all of his relevant metrics decline? I can think of many that would increase.
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Yes, I agree. Strengthening your calves, thighs, shoulders and arm muscles will be positive gains. To think otherwise is insane.
 
michaelm said:
Can you point us to game tape of Young playing at 200lbs?

Or have you decided that a player adding roughly 20% (I'm not good at math) to his body weight has zero chance of affecting his performance?
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Can you tell a players weight when in uniform? If Young was being truthful, games played in November and December, he was playing at a weight between 195 and 200.
 
Number19 said:
Can you tell a players weight when in uniform? If Young was being truthful, games played in November and December, he was playing at a weight between 195 and 200.
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Yeah, I question the validity of that statement. Maybe 195-200 in full uniform, but he just doesn't have that frame. Looking at him and Kyler Murray side by side, Young just doesn't look to be only 10 lbs lighter. 10 lbs isn't much, and there is an obvious difference between them.
 
frethack said:
Not making an argument for drafting Young here, but doesnt this depend on what makes up the extra mass?

Increasing your weight 10% with muscle will have wildly different effects on your metrics vs fat...and there would be shades in between. Play strength, speed, durability, change of direction (and more)...all of these would be impacted differently.

Lets say he adds 8% muscle and 2% fat. Do all of his relevant metrics decline? I can think of many that would increase.
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I ain't no expert but I imagine it puts more load on the ligaments and joints.
 
Number19 said:
Can you tell a players weight when in uniform? If Young was being truthful, games played in November and December, he was playing at a weight between 195 and 200.
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Y'all are looking for reasons to draft a guy that probably can't hold up to 20 weeks of NFL pounding. Heck his duck could've grown 3 inches and 10 pounds but it's not going to matter. He's a small framed guy and those guys historically don't last in the NFL.

What gets me is no QB his size or weight has been drafted in the last 5 years, except for maybe later in the draft, certainly not at 1-2, but y'all are all on board. Discount size now, pay the price later. I hope the Bears/Colts pick him a d take that out of the Texans hands.
 
Mangler said:
I guess my 10-15 lbs weight gain is all muscle as well. Basic common sense…
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Either that or gluttony. Are you 21 years old, in peak athletic condition, have a dietician, started with a body mass of less than 10% body fat and are you working out several hours each day? Then common sense would prevail. However, I'm guessing common sense has been thrown to the wind and full-on gluttony has prevailed.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Y'all are looking for reasons to draft a guy that probably can't hold up to 20 weeks of NFL pounding. Heck his duck could've grown 3 inches and 10 pounds but it's not going to matter. He's a small framed guy and those guys historically don't last in the NFL.

What gets me is no QB his size or weight has been drafted in the last 5 years, except for maybe later in the draft, certainly not at 1-2, but y'all are all on board. Discount size now, pay the price later. I hope the Bears/Colts pick him a d take that out of the Texans hands.
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Darrel Green says he lasted 20 years in the NFL, all 5’9 184 lbs of him. Mr. Historian.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Darrel Green says he last 20 years in the NFL, all 5’9 184 lbs of him. Mr. Historian.
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He doesn't play QB

Even at that, how many guys Green's size last long in the NFL.

Just go ahead and say size doesn't matter to you. Why don't they add a 6'0 280 lbs DT because Donald is a great player, that means whoever you like will be like Donald.
 
Size matters just like arm strength matters, like poise matters, like intangibles matter. It all matters. The point is there is no perfect prospect. You keep talking about Elway or Manning. Guess what? When they came out, their flaws were dissected as well. Nature of the beast.

The point I and some of the others are making is no one single flaw rules a guy out IF he shows he can play in the big picture. His size is the micro. I'm looking macro. Big picture. Show me he can play and I don't care much about the underwear olympics. The proof is in the pudding. Young can no doubt play. So, now it's up to scouts to determine how much the size factor comes into play. Some teams may have him off their board, others might take him down a notch, and yet others may not have a care in the world about it.

No matter which QB a team takes in the top half of the 1st rd, the GM, HC, OC, and scouting dept has to make their best choice based on all available info, and live with the consequences. If the new QB proves in a couple of years that he stinks, so be it. You bait your hook, and go fishing again... or you lose your job and life goes on. This isn't brain surgery. It's the Willy Wonka Chocolate factory of life.

Timidity gets you nowhere. You can't always be afraid to make a bold choice. Young is a bold choice. We can debate it until the cows come home. I love the kid. You don't.

One of us will be right and the other wrong. At the end of the day, it only matters what Nick, the scouts, and the other stakeholders believe about Young as well as the rest of the prospects.
 
TexansBull said:
There is a difference in being undersized and playing a position where you are trying to tackle one guy with the ball compared to being the undersized guy with the ball that 11 people 1.5 times your size trying to tackle you.
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I think he’ll be pretty successful if teams try to rush 11 on him. I mean we don’t have the greatest WR Corp but I imagine they can get some separation if there’s no DB
 
Porky said:
Size matters just like arm strength matters, like poise matters, like intangibles matter. It all matters. The point is there is no perfect prospect. You keep talking about Elway or Manning. Guess what? When they came out, their flaws were dissected as well. Nature of the beast.

The point I and some of the others are making is no one single flaw rules a guy out IF he shows he can play in the big picture. His size is the micro. I'm looking macro. Big picture. Show me he can play and I don't care much about the underwear olympics. The proof is in the pudding. Young can no doubt play. So, now it's up to scouts to determine how much the size factor comes into play. Some teams may have him off their board, others might take him down a notch, and yet others may not have a care in the world about it.

No matter which QB a team takes in the top half of the 1st rd, the GM, HC, OC, and scouting dept has to make their best choice based on all available info, and live with the consequences. If the new QB proves in a couple of years that he stinks, so be it. You bait your hook, and go fishing again... or you lose your job and life goes on. This isn't brain surgery. It's the Willy Wonka Chocolate factory of life.

Timidity gets you nowhere. You can't always be afraid to make a bold choice. Young is a bold choice. We can debate it until the cows come home. I love the kid. You don't.

One of us will be right and the other wrong. At the end of the day, it only matters what Nick, the scouts, and the other stakeholders believe about Young as well as the rest of the prospects.
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The guys you listed can improve their flaws as they learn the game.

Young isn't going to get substantially bigger.

Agree about being a risk taker. If I'm taking that risk, Hooker is the guy I'm taking that risk on. Maybe to a lesser extent Levis. Another guy I like a lot if you are looking for a fast processor is O'Connell and Haener. They both possess the traits that Young has but played with lesser teams.
 
steelbtexan said:
Y'all are looking for reasons to draft a guy that probably can't hold up to 20 weeks of NFL pounding. Heck his duck could've grown 3 inches and 10 pounds but it's not going to matter. He's a small framed guy and those guys historically don't last in the NFL.

What gets me is no QB his size or weight has been drafted in the last 5 years, except for maybe later in the draft, certainly not at 1-2, but y'all are all on board. Discount size now, pay the price later. I hope the Bears/Colts pick him a d take that out of the Texans hands.
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I'm not for drafting Young at 2...specifically because of his size. Just pointing out that gaining weight isn't necessarily a detriment to his ability to perform.

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Number19 said:
This is nothing more than your opinion.
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We are all here sharing our opinions. It’s a message board…

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I'd suggest you get your facts straight. It's not just now. It's been reported on this forum that he started his nutrition diet no later than October, when he reported this in an interview. It wasn't reported when he began his nutrition program, but before the interview. Before he started his program hw weighed, maybe, 186 pounds. After he started his program, by October, he weighed 196 pounds.

So he did play most, if not all, of his senior year with the increased bulk.[/QUOTE]

You got a link where it’s been reported. I don’t read every post by every member. 

Btw - it is also reported that he is 6 foot. And we are supposed to believe what people say about his weight? 

Yea ok.
 
Reading this thread and all this back and forth about height, weight and frame. It reminds me why I have very little interest in mock drafts or draft speculation.

As far as the thread title. You are the GM of the Texans for the next 4 months? Based on this thread, a GM should be following Bryce Young around with a tape measure, scale and trying to get random people to stand next to him to measure his height or to weigh him.
 
TexansBull said:
We are all here sharing our opinions. It’s a message board…

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I'd suggest you get your facts straight. It's not just now. It's been reported on this forum that he started his nutrition diet no later than October, when he reported this in an interview. It wasn't reported when he began his nutrition program, but before the interview. Before he started his program hw weighed, maybe, 186 pounds. After he started his program, by October, he weighed 196 pounds.

So he did play most, if not all, of his senior year with the increased bulk.[/QUOTE]

You got a link where it’s been reported. I don’t read every post by every member.

Btw - it is also reported that he is 6 foot. And we are supposed to believe what people say about his weight?

Yea ok.
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All will be revealed in 2 weeks.
 
Number19 said:
Extra weight, from where? I'm saying Young was being truthful when interviewed in October when he said he was playing at 196 pounds. I'm not inferring he should or will be playing at 220 pounds. But 205 to 210? Yes. He should be able to play at that weight.

Do I think Young was lying? Is that what you are asking or inferring? No, I don't. I think Young was being truthful. I think he is a high character young man, until I have reason to think otherwise.
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Maybe the same person who listed Bryce Young at 6'0 is the one that's lying.
 
steelbtexan said:
He doesn't play QB

Even at that, how many guys Green's size last long in the NFL.

Just go ahead and say size doesn't matter to you. Why don't they add a 6'0 280 lbs DT because Donald is a great player, that means whoever you like will be like Donald.
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I thought you liked Calijah Kancy? 6'0 280 DT.
 
steelbtexan said:
He doesn't play QB

Even at that, how many guys Green's size last long in the NFL.

Just go ahead and say size doesn't matter to you. Why don't they add a 6'0 280 lbs DT because Donald is a great player, that means whoever you like will be like Donald.
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It doesn’t matter, he played against some of the best physical running backs in NFL history. He had some of the best offensive linemen barreling down him to block him. But of course you and T will debunk it. Why ? It doesn’t fit you’ll agenda. I can name quite a few other midgets players who played this game on a high freaking level.
 
I thought we had some body experts on here..
Massage therapists?

'Frail' athletes like basketball players, track, baseball players, tennis, socker add 20 pounds or more without impacting skills negatively.

IMO, most hits that might put Young out of a game would probably put other QBs out also. Watching him play, he seems to evade opponents well. His college opponents were about same size and speed as NFL. Not all but many.
 
Texansballer74 said:
It doesn’t matter, he played against some of the best physical running backs in NFL history. He had some of the best offensive linemen barreling down him to block him. But of course you and T will debunk it. Why ? It doesn’t fit you’ll agenda. I can name quite a few other midgets players who played this game on a high freaking level.
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Name the QB's?

So did Prime.

I bet you've convinced your wife that size doesn't matter by using arguments like this?
 
steelbtexan said:
I bet you've convinced your wife that size doesn't matter by using arguments like this?
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