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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Either this site allows their Mommies to write their profiles or these scouts just love everybody or it somewhat resembles the truth.
This reads pretty decent from a WCO/ZBS standpoint as well.

SCOUTING REPORT: STRENGTHS
  • Traditional old-school smart, pocket passer at 6-3 and 218 pounds, with smarts and a great, feel for the game- should have no problem transitioning to the NFL
  • Very smart signal-caller who is a natural leader with great instincts and the ability to quickly cycle through his reads
  • Good zip and excellent ball placement on the quick slant. Elite touch down the seam and on post-corner, flag routes to attack the defense vertically and horizontally.
  • Incredibly productive quarterback with elite intangibles - who broke Rose Bowl single-game record with 573 passing yards in a come-from-behind victory over Utah
  • Brave QB who isn't phased by pressure, will be willing to take a big hit when passing
  • Enough arm strength to drive the ball through tight windows up to 20 yards downfield. Spreads the ball around to multiple receivers.
  • Rhythm passer, who gets the ball out quickly, making split-second decisions. Good short to intermediate-level accuracy, demonstrating the ball placement to allow receivers to run after the catch.
  • Sprays the ball anywhere on the field, especially when given a pocket from which to deliver. Will step up into the pocket while looking downfield, reset his feet and deliver.
  • Athletic - possesses very good vision balance, some elusiveness, and deceptive speed
  • Possess an NFL-level arm. Gets the ball from one hash to the opposite sideline in a hurry. Has the zip to hit tight windows on short and intermediate throws.
  • Great accuracy overall, including excellent accuracy on short timing routes to backs and receivers, placing the ball slightly in front to lead receivers to potential yardage after the catch.
  • Against Georgia in the college semi-final Stroud displayed impressive escapability against a heavy rush
 
TexansBull said:
What do you think of Richardson getting drafted by the Seahawks? That seems to be a good destination for him study under Carroll while Geno plays out a possible contract extension of 2-3 years.
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Maybe. Seahawks OC Shane Waldron is out of the McVay tree that has had so much success. Everyone had the Seahawks going with Malik Willis last year, but Carroll passed on QBs completely. And had a great draft. The Seahawks may have found a market inefficiency in regards to QBs with tools that other organizations have given up on. It wouldn't shock me if the Seahawks made an offer on Zach Wilson if the Jets go in a different direction at QB.
 
Texansphan said:
I want to discuss the ZBS and the possibilities for the Texans - will we look more like the 49ers?
I guess that comes down to who they draft.
Does a ZBS scheme necessarily demand a mobile QB? Etc,.
Was conversing with @DocBar and the topic of ZBS came up. ZBS often uses a full back as an additional blocker, running back or receiver.
This raises the possibility of Texans drafting a guy like Bijan Robinson as he excels at all three.
If he is still on the board at#12, it will be very tempting for them.
The other way they could go is with Hunter Leupke or Jack Colletto - remember him?
As many of you know, I am very bullish on a powerful ground attack and always pound the table for a back I really fancy and the distinct possibility that the zbs is where we are going excites me.
It will allow any QB we draft to settle in with less pressure on him and be able to perform well just like the rookie for 49ers did when he was thrust into the front line. He wasn't as powerful a runner as they maybe would have liked like Trey Lance would have been but still managed to win 6 straight.
Does this mean guys like Levis and Richardson are also on Texans radar?
You guys can undoubtedly think up more than I have raised here so I will open it up.
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I think the Texans will resemble the 49ers now and the Texans of 2010-2012. They have a fullback on the roster. They will need a QB with some mobility, completely agree with what Lucky said. Mills actually has a pretty good skillset for this type of offense. Think Schaub with a better arm.
If the Texans draft Robinson, that would give them two very good RBs who can see a hole, make one cut and get up the field. That takes a lot of pressure off of the QB.
The biggest difference with the ZBS is with the linemen. They need to be quick and have great feet. The Texans need to add a new center and right guard, at a minimum. Kenyon Green should be excited as hell for the change in scheme, as it suits his skillset very well. Tunsil and Howard should be just fine, also.
I would draft defense in the 1st and draft Hooker in the 2nd or third as a backup to Mills. If Hooker gets away, I honestly think Mills will do just fine once he gets the verbiage down. That's probably the hardest thing about the offense.
Other than that, I would draft BPA at OL, DL, LB and CB in this draft. Metchie should be back in 2023, so no need to look at WR early, unless one just blows the Texans' staff's socks off at the combine and/or pro day.
 
Texansphan said:
Even if we do draft a QB with our first pick, it would be wise for Texans to bring in a mobile vet familiar with the WCO to be our #2.
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I think Garoppolo is way too expensive and he's looking for a starting job. CJ Beathard is a guy out of the Niners system that spent last year on the Jags bench. Not a guy you'd want to play, but he could help in the QB room.
 
GanadoUHCoog said:
Man are we really going to trade some serious draft capital to move up one spot (which we blew in the first place by telling our HC we were going to fire him but let him continue to coach) just to draft a 5’11” 190 pound QB without elite quickness or speed that played with a bunch of 5 stars and has never faced real adversity like he will with the Texans. Come on- Seriously?!!!
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This is my thought as well. I don't have an issue with drafting Young or Stroud at 1.2, but I don't want to give up draft capital to move up to 1.1. If Indy spends a great deal of draft capital to move up to 1.1 to draft one of them (which I think they will), that leaves fewer picks to fill their many other holes. The Indy GM is on the hot seat and is going to give up capital to make a splash. I don't want the Texans to do the same.
 
Lucky said:
I think Garoppolo is way too expensive and he's looking for a starting job. CJ Beathard is a guy out of the Niners system that spent last year on the Jags bench. Not a guy you'd want to play, but he could help in the QB room.
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Who do you think is more suited to the ZBS/WCO - Jeff Driskell or Davis Mills? Would you keep Mills or release him and bring in a draftee and a vet?
 
Toro Bravo said:
This is my thought as well. I don't have an issue with drafting Young or Stroud at 1.2, but I don't want to give up draft capital to move up to 1.1.
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No one, including the Texans, wants to. The question will be their evaluation between the #1 and #2 QBs. Complicated by a division rival possibly moving up to take the player you want most. It could be a damned if you do, damned if you don't proposition.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
What is it that you do not like about him?
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Didn't we already do the whole "only started X games in college" thing with Mills? At least Mills' 11 starts were spread equally over two seasons. Richardson only had 13 starts and all but one were this last season.

Had a losing record as a starter (6-7).
>55% completion rate.
TD to Int ratio is less than 2:1.
In 8 of his 12 starts this last season he passed for 200 yards or less.
In 6 of his 12 starts this last season he threw only 1 or no TD passes.
He had two 400+ yard games that propped up his season stats.

He is also getting the benefit of the recency effect, as in his last two games (losses to Vandy and FSU) he had a total of 600 yards passing and 6 TD's.

So who is the real Richardson? The one who averaged less than 200 yards and one TD per game for 10 games, or the one who balled out the last two?

You're drafting in the first round purely on unrealized potential at this point. At least Mills was in the 3rd round.

Young (23-4), Levis (18-8) and Stroud (21-4) all started between 24-27 games. Hooker started 36 games (22-14). While obviously still a risk (as any QB would be) at least there are sample sizes to say that they have been consistently productive and successful at the college level.
 
Texansphan said:
Either this site allows their Mommies to write their profiles or these scouts just love everybody or it somewhat resembles the truth.
This reads pretty decent from a WCO/ZBS standpoint as well.

SCOUTING REPORT: STRENGTHS
  • Traditional old-school smart, pocket passer at 6-3 and 218 pounds, with smarts and a great, feel for the game- should have no problem transitioning to the NFL
  • Very smart signal-caller who is a natural leader with great instincts and the ability to quickly cycle through his reads
  • Good zip and excellent ball placement on the quick slant. Elite touch down the seam and on post-corner, flag routes to attack the defense vertically and horizontally.
  • Incredibly productive quarterback with elite intangibles - who broke Rose Bowl single-game record with 573 passing yards in a come-from-behind victory over Utah
  • Brave QB who isn't phased by pressure, will be willing to take a big hit when passing
  • Enough arm strength to drive the ball through tight windows up to 20 yards downfield. Spreads the ball around to multiple receivers.
  • Rhythm passer, who gets the ball out quickly, making split-second decisions. Good short to intermediate-level accuracy, demonstrating the ball placement to allow receivers to run after the catch.
  • Sprays the ball anywhere on the field, especially when given a pocket from which to deliver. Will step up into the pocket while looking downfield, reset his feet and deliver.
  • Athletic - possesses very good vision balance, some elusiveness, and deceptive speed
  • Possess an NFL-level arm. Gets the ball from one hash to the opposite sideline in a hurry. Has the zip to hit tight windows on short and intermediate throws.
  • Great accuracy overall, including excellent accuracy on short timing routes to backs and receivers, placing the ball slightly in front to lead receivers to potential yardage after the catch.
  • Against Georgia in the college semi-final Stroud displayed impressive escapability against a heavy rush
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PFF on Stroud: NFL Draft Big Board | PFF
NFL Draft Buzz: C.J. Stroud Quarterback Ohio State | NFL Draft Profile & Scouting Report (nfldraftbuzz.com)
Stroud doesn't display accuracy when he's on the move. He wouldn't be ideal for bootlegs and moving pockets.
 
Texansphan said:
Who do you think is more suited to the ZBS/WCO - Jeff Driskell or Davis Mills? Would you keep Mills or release him and bring in a draftee and a vet?
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Keep Mills, sign a vet QB (?), draft Duggan later after drafting E, C, WR, LB. Should have enough draft capital to accomplish this. :D

We will start the year with Mills under center. Hardest part will be finding/drafting the C we need.

Not too worried about anything Indy does.

In Caserio I trust.

:coffee:
 
DocBar said:
I think the Texans will resemble the 49ers now and the Texans of 2010-2012. They have a fullback on the roster. They will need a QB with some mobility, completely agree with what Lucky said. Mills actually has a pretty good skillset for this type of offense. Think Schaub with a better arm.
If the Texans draft Robinson, that would give them two very good RBs who can see a hole, make one cut and get up the field. That takes a lot of pressure off of the QB.
The biggest difference with the ZBS is with the linemen. They need to be quick and have great feet. The Texans need to add a new center and right guard, at a minimum. Kenyon Green should be excited as hell for the change in scheme, as it suits his skillset very well. Tunsil and Howard should be just fine, also.
I would draft defense in the 1st and draft Hooker in the 2nd or third as a backup to Mills. If Hooker gets away, I honestly think Mills will do just fine once he gets the verbiage down. That's probably the hardest thing about the offense.
Other than that, I would draft BPA at OL, DL, LB and CB in this draft. Metchie should be back in 2023, so no need to look at WR early, unless one just blows the Texans' staff's socks off at the combine and/or pro day.
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Instead of Bijan in the 1st, give me Charbonnet, Achane, Spears in the 3rd.

If it was me I would draft defense in the 1st.

Then get the best Center possible (I don't think some posters realize how important Myers was to the offense.) I might even draft Schmitz at 1-12. The next most important player in a WCO is a great TE and there should be a really good one available at 2-32. These 2 players are imperative to running a successful ZBS. Other than QB that is.

A good RB to pair with Pierce can be found in the 3rd/4th rd.
 
I'm hoping Jets call Caserio and trade former #2 overall pick, Zach Wilson (excellent ZBS/WCO fit) for Davis Mills (3rd rounder). This would buy Texan time, to evaluate position with higher ceiling QB, not forcing selection of QB with this year's 2nd overall pick.

:koolaid:
 
steelbtexan said:
Instead of Bijan in the 1st, give me Charbonnet, Achane, Spears in the 3rd.

If it was me I would draft defense in the 1st.

Then get the best Center possible (I don't think some posters realize how important Myers was to the offense.) I might even draft Schmitz at 1-12. The next most important player in a WCO is a great TE and there should be a really good one available at 2-32. These 2 players are imperative to running a successful ZBS. Other than QB that is.

A good RB to pair with Pierce can be found in the 3rd/4th rd.
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Wonder if this guy can catch? Israel Abanikanda

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Found this: CAREER AT PITTSBURGH: Abanikanda carried the football 385 times for 2,161 yards (5.6 yards per carry) and 28 touchdowns in 30 games during his career at Pitt. He also caught 38 passes for 354 yards and three touchdowns.

:coffee:
 
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I feel like somebody will jump us for young. I don’t wanta waste capital on a vet or to move up. I’d rather have Young but I’m fine with stroud even though he’s an OSU product (can’t develop QBs). In chaos I’m ok with Levis
 
cuppacoffee said:
Wonder if this guy can catch? Israel Abanikanda

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Found this: CAREER AT PITTSBURGH: Abanikanda carried the football 385 times for 2,161 yards (5.6 yards per carry) and 28 touchdowns in 30 games during his career at Pitt. He also caught 38 passes for 354 yards and three touchdowns.

:coffee:
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Don't know, but he's a very good RB and Pitt has a history of producing very good NFL Rb's.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Wonder if this guy can catch? Israel Abanikanda

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Found this: CAREER AT PITTSBURGH: Abanikanda carried the football 385 times for 2,161 yards (5.6 yards per carry) and 28 touchdowns in 30 games during his career at Pitt. He also caught 38 passes for 354 yards and three touchdowns.

:coffee:
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This is who I would focus on. Steal early 4th.
 
Porky said:
I had Stroud as a mid-first selection until that Georgia game. He really showed me something there and to me that made him a top 5 pick.

Yes it was one game, but it's important to note it's Georgia, not the little sisters of the poor - senior division. Stroud was on fire that game and threw numerous dimes under pressure and off-schedule against a ridiculously good college defense.

I guess the lingering question is did the guy grow in that game and will continue to progress in that area, or will he revert to the mean. I'd like to think with good pro coaching and a dedication to improvement, it's the former and not the latter.
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That's a fair point because Georgia's defense is stacked with guys who will be NFL players, many starters.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Wonder if this guy can catch? Israel Abanikanda

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Found this: CAREER AT PITTSBURGH: Abanikanda carried the football 385 times for 2,161 yards (5.6 yards per carry) and 28 touchdowns in 30 games during his career at Pitt. He also caught 38 passes for 354 yards and three touchdowns.

:coffee:
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Abanikanda [candy] is an excellent pick in round 5 where I have him. Completely under the radar guy. Great motor and drive.
 
beerlover said:
I'm hoping Jets call Caserio and trade former #2 overall pick, Zach Wilson (excellent ZBS/WCO fit) for Davis Mills (3rd rounder). This would buy Texan time, to evaluate position with higher ceiling QB, not forcing selection of QB with this year's 2nd overall pick.

:koolaid:
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If i were Cal, i would take the jet to deliver Mills to Jets for Wilson in that deal. Wouldn't even hang up phone but keep them talking so couldn’t change their mind.
 
Bayouboy1965 said:
I feel like somebody will jump us for young. I don’t wanta waste capital on a vet or to move up. I’d rather have Young but I’m fine with stroud even though he’s an OSU product (can’t develop QBs). In chaos I’m ok with Levis
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I would not feel good about taking our second choice QB at no. 2 overall. I’d rather gamble and look for someone to fall at 12 and use 1.2 for a strong value pick.


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Texansphan said:
Under the old Texans regime he is definitely bottom quarter of all NFL QBs but I still believe he would benefit greatly from an upgrade on his line, his receiving Corp and running game.
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So you're saying an upgrade at damn near every position on the field would help his cause? Man, I'd hope so. To "greatly" benefit him though, I'll have to disagree. I just don't think Mills has it.
 
DocBar said:
I think the Texans will resemble the 49ers now and the Texans of 2010-2012. They have a fullback on the roster. They will need a QB with some mobility, completely agree with what Lucky said. Mills actually has a pretty good skillset for this type of offense. Think Schaub with a better arm.
If the Texans draft Robinson, that would give them two very good RBs who can see a hole, make one cut and get up the field. That takes a lot of pressure off of the QB.
The biggest difference with the ZBS is with the linemen. They need to be quick and have great feet. The Texans need to add a new center and right guard, at a minimum. Kenyon Green should be excited as hell for the change in scheme, as it suits his skillset very well. Tunsil and Howard should be just fine, also.
I would draft defense in the 1st and draft Hooker in the 2nd or third as a backup to Mills. If Hooker gets away, I honestly think Mills will do just fine once he gets the verbiage down. That's probably the hardest thing about the offense.
Other than that, I would draft BPA at OL, DL, LB and CB in this draft. Metchie should be back in 2023, so no need to look at WR early, unless one just blows the Texans' staff's socks off at the combine and/or pro day.
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I remember it taking a good 2-3 years for the Linemen to get proficient when Kubiak put in the ZBS.
 
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Same old arguments, but I suppose that's what makes it interesting. I don't know what some of y'all see in Mills. He's a USFL or XFL level starter, not an NFL guy you can win with, and never will be. There's virtually zero chance Mills is the LT starter here and not likely anywhere else for that matter, but yet, some of y'all stick to this guy like super glue.

I don't understand it - but you guys keep it interesting. On the one hand, I'm like WTF? OTOH, I'm like ok, now we've got a debate. And debates among fans is fun, so...

Just hang on to those hot takes on Mills while I'm in the kitchen whipping up some fried crow. It's ok if it has to wait. Crow freezes very well. I'll just warm it up later.
 
sandman said:
Didn't we already do the whole "only started X games in college" thing with Mills? At least Mills' 11 starts were spread equally over two seasons. Richardson only had 13 starts and all but one were this last season.

Had a losing record as a starter (6-7).
>55% completion rate.
TD to Int ratio is less than 2:1.
In 8 of his 12 starts this last season he passed for 200 yards or less.
In 6 of his 12 starts this last season he threw only 1 or no TD passes.
He had two 400+ yard games that propped up his season stats.

He is also getting the benefit of the recency effect, as in his last two games (losses to Vandy and FSU) he had a total of 600 yards passing and 6 TD's.

So who is the real Richardson? The one who averaged less than 200 yards and one TD per game for 10 games, or the one who balled out the last two?
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Those are mostly fair critiques, some not so much like trying to eliminate two 400 yard games from his resume just because ...reasons....

but I was looking for some actual dislikes of what has been seen on film and not something that can just be looked up on the internet for a list of negatives.




But I'll match your negatives with:

Good Size and build
Very Good arm strength and has shown he can make all NFL throws
Great athlete for the position
Not just a scrambler, but also can be a designed runner
Him being a one year starter is a positive (had he played the way he did as a multiple year starter he wouldn't be thought of as a top QB)
He improved as the season went on and showed progress. While you look at his last two games as a possible aberration, many--including myself--see them as him showing the improvement you'd expect to see out of a guy who started all year for the first time
There are specific instances on film where Richardson made the wrong read earlier in the year, but saw it again later in the season and made the correct adjustment
This shows growth and coachability

You're drafting in the first round purely on unrealized potential at this point. At least Mills was in the 3rd round.
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I'm not drafting anyone and neither are you. We are just discussing prospects on a MB. All of these guys have "unrealized potential". The reason Mills went third round is because in that draft the GM's in the league didn't think he was worth taking a chance on in the first round for whatever reasons. We will see where Richardson ends up.
 
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Lucky said:
You think 53% completion percentage is fine? That's Taysom Hill numbers. Actually, Hill's numbers were a little better in college. But Richardson played in the SEC.

Richardson has no business in this draft. He should have gone into the portal and got with a good college QB coach. He's not as close to NFL ready as Malik Willis, and we saw what a disaster that was. Richardson had better go to a team with a premier NFL QB coach, like Andy Reid, or he will become a total bust.
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If you liked what Vince Young projected as an NFL QB, you will love what Anthony Richardson projects as an NFL QB. In completion % Richardson ranked 105th out of 113 college FBS QBs. In passing efficiency Richardson ranked 77th out of 113 FBS QBs. In college, ideally, you want a QB with a TD to INT ratio of > 3, Richardson's ratio was a cringeworthy < 2. If you are looking for a non-mainstream outlier for a QB then Hendon Hooker is the guy.

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You stat sheet watchers should have Haener as a clear first rd pick

30+ college starts
72% completions
Broke passing records held by the Carr brothers at Fresno
Career 68 TDs to only 18 ints
Threw for about 10,000 yards total and was always above 8 y/a
Will probably measure about 6'1 200lbs
Senior Bowl MVP
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Also, completely disagree with this.

Richardson was actually asked to make some NFL style reads. Willis was not.
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My biggest knock on Richardson is that he has only played in 21 games. The NFL draft is littered with highly touted QBs with only one season as a starter. Mitch Trubisky is a prime example.
 
Lucky said:
Maybe. Seahawks OC Shane Waldron is out of the McVay tree that has had so much success. Everyone had the Seahawks going with Malik Willis last year, but Carroll passed on QBs completely. And had a great draft. The Seahawks may have found a market inefficiency in regards to QBs with tools that other organizations have given up on. It wouldn't shock me if the Seahawks made an offer on Zach Wilson if the Jets go in a different direction at QB.
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I see the Seahawks re-signing Geno Smith. I wouldn't touch Wilson with a 10 foot pole. He's an immature prima donna. No thank you.
 
Porky said:
Same old arguments, but I suppose that's what makes it interesting. I don't know what some of y'all see in Mills. He's a USFL or XFL level starter, not an NFL guy you can win with, and never will be. There's virtually zero chance Mills is the LT starter here and not likely anywhere else for that matter, but yet, some of y'all stick to this guy like super glue.

I don't understand it - but you guys keep it interesting. On the one hand, I'm like WTF? OTOH, I'm like ok, now we've got a debate. And debates among fans is fun, so...

Just hang on to those hot takes on Mills while I'm in the kitchen whipping up some fried crow. It's ok if it has to wait. Crow freezes very well. I'll just warm it up later.
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Crow sickles?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
You stat sheet watchers should have Haener as a clear first rd pick

30+ college starts
72% completions
Broke passing records held by the Carr brothers at Fresno
Career 68 TDs to only 18 ints
Threw for about 10,000 yards total and was always above 8 y/a
Will probably measure about 6'1 200lbs
Senior Bowl MVP
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If he was there on Day 3 I would take him.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Those are mostly fair critiques, some not so much like trying to eliminate two 400 yard games from his resume just because ...reasons....

but I was looking for some actual dislikes of what has been seen on film and not something that can just be looked up on the internet for a list of negatives.




But I'll match your negatives with:

Good Size and build
Very Good arm strength and has shown he can make all NFL throws
Great athlete for the position
Not just a scrambler, but also can be a designed runner
Him being a one year starter is a positive (had he played the way he did as a multiple year starter he wouldn't be thought of as a top QB)
He improved as the season went on and showed progress. While you look at his last two games as a possible aberration, many--including myself--see them as him showing the improvement you'd expect to see out of a guy who started all year for the first time
There are specific instances on film where Richardson made the wrong read earlier in the year, but saw it again later in the season and made the correct adjustment
This shows growth and coachability



I'm not drafting anyone and neither are you. We are just discussing prospects on a MB. All of these guys have "unrealized potential". The reason Mills went third round is because in that draft the GM's in the league didn't think he was worth taking a chance on in the first round for whatever reasons. We will see where Richardson ends up.
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The bolded is just plain funny. I'm not against the Texans drafting Richardson, just not in the 1st round. Ultimately, I really don't care though. As you said, we're just discussing things on a MB. After all, I thought Savage was the answer at one point. What the hell do I know about grading QBs. :gun::bag::spit:
 
Porky said:
Same old arguments, but I suppose that's what makes it interesting. I don't know what some of y'all see in Mills. He's a USFL or XFL level starter, not an NFL guy you can win with, and never will be. There's virtually zero chance Mills is the LT starter here and not likely anywhere else for that matter, but yet, some of y'all stick to this guy like super glue.

I don't understand it - but you guys keep it interesting. On the one hand, I'm like WTF? OTOH, I'm like ok, now we've got a debate. And debates among fans is fun, so...

Just hang on to those hot takes on Mills while I'm in the kitchen whipping up some fried crow. It's ok if it has to wait. Crow freezes very well. I'll just warm it up later.
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Be sure to season it to your own liking. :D

:coffee:
 
Speedy said:
So you're saying an upgrade at damn near every position on the field would help his cause? Man, I'd hope so. To "greatly" benefit him though, I'll have to disagree. I just don't think Mills has it.
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Oh sorry, I forgot TE.
I am not advocating wiping all 11 starters my friend, just 3 or 4 will do.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
You stat sheet watchers should have Haener as a clear first rd pick

30+ college starts
72% completions
Broke passing records held by the Carr brothers at Fresno
Career 68 TDs to only 18 ints
Threw for about 10,000 yards total and was always above 8 y/a
Will probably measure about 6'1 200lbs
Senior Bowl MVP
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Know nothing about this guy. Why is he likely to go late? Statue/pure pocket guy? Low ceiling?
 
DocBar said:
Playing around with PFF draft simulator again. What do y'all think of it?
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Kancey at 12 feels like a bit of a reach. My understanding is he's a good pass rusher but undersized so falls a little short in the run game. Seems like a day 2 pick to me. Antonio Johnson kinda feels like a second Pitre to me. Guy who will mostly be playing in the box or used as a nickel corner, think I'd pass on him but not necessarily a bad pick. Hyatt would be a great pick at 73 but I'd be surprised if he falls that far. Personally I don't like Hooker at all, older prospect really with only one year of high level play coming off a major injury. Don't know the names past that.
 
Khelar said:
Kancey at 12 feels like a bit of a reach. My understanding is he's a good pass rusher but undersized so falls a little short in the run game. Seems like a day 2 pick to me. Antonio Johnson kinda feels like a second Pitre to me. Guy who will mostly be playing in the box or used as a nickel corner, think I'd pass on him but not necessarily a bad pick. Hyatt would be a great pick at 73 but I'd be surprised if he falls that far. Personally I don't like Hooker at all, older prospect really with only one year of high level play coming off a major injury. Don't know the names past that.
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I'm only using PFFs ranking system. They have Kancey at 14 overall. I liked the idea of getting the top edge and 2nd ranked DL to shore up the front 7. The Texans drastically need safety help and he was the BPA at that spot in this particular mock draft. I can't just take the players I like best. The simulator has 31 other teams drafting with the settings set highest for team needs and player ranking. I have randomness set to zero for my mock drafts. For the most part, I drafted BPA in areas of need.
I'm not worried about Hooker's age or injury. ACLs aren't the career-threatening injuries they were 20+ years ago and the Texans have a ton of holes to fill, especially on defense. Hooker was also very good value where I drafted him.
The whole mock draft thing is just mental masturbation and a way to have fun. It passes the time on a cold February day in NE Ohio while I recover from a separated shoulder.
 
Khelar said:
Kancey at 12 feels like a bit of a reach. My understanding is he's a good pass rusher but undersized so falls a little short in the run game. Seems like a day 2 pick to me. Antonio Johnson kinda feels like a second Pitre to me. Guy who will mostly be playing in the box or used as a nickel corner, think I'd pass on him but not necessarily a bad pick. Hyatt would be a great pick at 73 but I'd be surprised if he falls that far. Personally I don't like Hooker at all, older prospect really with only one year of high level play coming off a major injury. Don't know the names past that.
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xtruroyaltyx said:
The NFL is littered with busts period. My assessment isn't related to any draftniks either as I have maybe only looked at 3 or 4 mock drafts total. I do watch a lot of scouting videos though. Also, I am not a fan of taking a guy and going with the mindset of sitting them with a pre-conceived notion they are not ready. Bring whoever it is to camp and if there is no entrenched starter make it an open competition. Best man wins the job.
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I'm a fan of best man wins. Not of starting a rookie just because he's a high draft pick. I watch a lot of scouting videos too. Problem with them is that too many of them are rating highlight reels. Negative reels are hard to come by without watching every game.
 
beerlover said:
I'm hoping Jets call Caserio and trade former #2 overall pick, Zach Wilson (excellent ZBS/WCO fit) for Davis Mills (3rd rounder). This would buy Texan time, to evaluate position with higher ceiling QB, not forcing selection of QB with this year's 2nd overall pick.

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The only player I want from the Jets….WR- Denzel Mims….and I think the Texans could get him straight up for Cooks, if the Texans eat some salary….or, they could get Mims plus a pick for Collins. If the Texans draft Johnston or Hyatt and pair either with Mims, that should be a pretty solid duo. Toss in a healthy Metchie, and this could be plenty entertaining.
 
DocBar said:
I'm only using PFFs ranking system. They have Kancey at 14 overall. I liked the idea of getting the top edge and 2nd ranked DL to shore up the front 7. The Texans drastically need safety help and he was the BPA at that spot in this particular mock draft. I can't just take the players I like best. The simulator has 31 other teams drafting with the settings set highest for team needs and player ranking. I have randomness set to zero for my mock drafts. For the most part, I drafted BPA in areas of need.
I'm not worried about Hooker's age or injury. ACLs aren't the career-threatening injuries they were 20+ years ago and the Texans have a ton of holes to fill, especially on defense. Hooker was also very good value where I drafted him.
The whole mock draft thing is just mental masturbation and a way to have fun. It passes the time on a cold February day in NE Ohio while I recover from a separated shoulder.
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Oh I wasn’t coming for you or anything just my thoughts. The thing with Kancey is if he does struggle in the run game it seems like that pick would just exacerbate our biggest issue on defense. I'd be excited to have him on the team no doubt I'd just worry about that. But worth noting that one of his college coaches coached Aaron Donald who is also an underweight DT so there's that.

And on Hooker idk I'm mostly just tired of the mid round flyer QB route. It's never worked for us before
 
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