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justtxyank22 said:
it’s the scheme being run by the 49ers, bengals, Vikings and dolphins. At this point I’m not sure there’s a more replicable offense?
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So has Kubiaks offense been tweaked enough to call it a different scheme? And what were the base changes? Is it still hard to tell if it’s a run/pass play until the running back runs past the QB?


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CloakNNNdagger said:
I'm not really understanding Crumpler's claim "Bobby Slowik brings the hottest offensive scheme in football "
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He has no idea whether Slowik is a good coach or a bad coach. He probably didn't know who Slowik was a month ago. He's a fan just like the rest of us and his opinions should carry about as much weight as any other fan.

BTW, I like the hire, but have you noticed that nobody has been critical of any hire Ryans has made so far? Fandom at its finest. The media certainly isn't giving Ryan's the Culley treatment.
 
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I came across this 2020 article. Not sure he significantly changed since then. If so, the composition of the Texans offense personnel will have to change significantly.

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What Makes Kyle Shanahan’s Offense So Dangerous and Effective?
Shanahan’s offensive brilliance was on full display against the Packers in the NFC championship game—just look at the breakout game Raheem Mostert had. What makes his offense so unique and adaptable? Sage Rosenfels uses tape to break down the specific elements.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I came across this 2020 article. Not sure he significantly changed since then. If so, the composition of the Texans offense personnel will have to change significantly.

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What Makes Kyle Shanahan’s Offense So Dangerous and Effective?
Shanahan’s offensive brilliance was on full display against the Packers in the NFC championship game—just look at the breakout game Raheem Mostert had. What makes his offense so unique and adaptable? Sage Rosenfels uses tape to break down the specific elements.
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I don’t think there is enough of a base of long term players on offense here to be concerned personally. This feels like when Kubiak took over. Had to redo the whole roster basically.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I came across this 2020 article. Not sure he significantly changed since then. If so, the composition of the Texans offense personnel will have to change significantly.

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What Makes Kyle Shanahan’s Offense So Dangerous and Effective?
Shanahan’s offensive brilliance was on full display against the Packers in the NFC championship game—just look at the breakout game Raheem Mostert had. What makes his offense so unique and adaptable? Sage Rosenfels uses tape to break down the specific elements.
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Will certainly be interesting to see how our OL shakes out. And, sorry to some of you, it still looks like Young is the perfect fit for what we may be running. Speed will be a plus for our receivers, but more importantly, they'll need smarts and processing ability.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I came across this 2020 article. Not sure he significantly changed since then. If so, the composition of the Texans offense personnel will have to change significantly.

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What Makes Kyle Shanahan’s Offense So Dangerous and Effective?
Shanahan’s offensive brilliance was on full display against the Packers in the NFC championship game—just look at the breakout game Raheem Mostert had. What makes his offense so unique and adaptable? Sage Rosenfels uses tape to break down the specific elements.
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That was a really enjoyable video, Sage did a great job.


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CloakNNNdagger said:
Exactly, and speed and blocking is a difficult combination to find in a receiver.........especially, the blocking trait. In fact, as much as one would expect a TE, as big as they, are to be able to commonly fit the bill, you hardly find a TE that is shifty with good hands AND a good blocker.
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Jonathan Mingo Wide Receiver Ole Miss | NFL Draft Profile & Scouting Report (nfldraftbuzz.com)
and
Elijah Higgins Wide Receiver Stanford | NFL Draft Profile & Scouting Report (nfldraftbuzz.com)
are a couple of WR's I like. I'd actually like to take Higgins late, and convert him to a TE.
 
pirbroke said:
So has Kubiaks offense been tweaked enough to call it a different scheme? And what were the base changes? Is it still hard to tell if it’s a run/pass play until the running back runs past the QB?


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Good question. If Slowik runs it the Shanahan way, it'll be the purest version of the scheme. So it'll be like Kubiak is back on the sideline. We won't know if he plans to tweak it until he or Ryans are interviewed about it.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
One of my concerns is that Ryans has emphasized that he wants to emphasize the run game. I certainly hope that. like with Lovie, that does not take over the OC's scheme/playcalling. With the WCO which Slowik will undoubtedly adopt (even the newer variants), the QB under center seems to be somewhat of an advantage. In simple terms, taking a snap from under center is better on running plays, while taking it in the shotgun is better on passing plays. And from a risk perspective, a mishandling of a snap in shotgun is far more common than a mishandling on a snap from under center. If Young (or even Stroud) is our target, it needs to be taken into consideration that most all of his snaps (and Stroud's) in college have been in the shotgun.

I didn't like Lovie the conservative defensive HC dictating the offensive scheme. I won't like it any better if Ryans does the same.

Another consideration is a good number of our OL will need "adjusting" because of the transition to a ZBS.
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Texans get hot scheme with Bobby Slowik and his intriguing background
John Crumpler
February 14, 2023 8:37 am CT

The Houston Texans got their guy in Bobby Slowik.

The San Francisco 49ers passing game coordinator joins DeMeco Ryans as the former defensive coordinator takes over his original draft team from 2006. Interestingly Slowik and Ryans both started their 49ers tenures at the same time — 2017 — and as defensive quality control coaches under rookie coach Kyle Shanahan. However, Slowik diverted towards offense after that season and Ryans stayed on his defensive path.

Slowik, 35, is tasked with turning around a Houston offense that was one of the league’s worst the last two years under coordinators Tim Kelly and Pep Hamilton. The projected offensive system, from the Shanahan and Gary Kubiak tree, is one that’s been widely celebrated around the league. Former Shanahan protege and current Miami Dolphins coach Mike McDaniel implemented the system with quarterback Tua Tagovailoa this year and made the playoffs in their initial campaign.


The hire comes after a brief courting of former Texas Tech and Arizona Cardinals coach Kliff Kingsbury. For all the experience that Kingsbury was projected to bring with quarterbacks along with the well documented “Air Raid” offense, Slowik represents more of a wild card than the other options available.

It could be just what Houston needs to play a new brand of football next season.

Slowik got his start in the NFL in 2011 as a defensive assistant for Washington, working alongside his father, Bob Slowik, who had been a defensive coordinator in the league for two decades and coached against some notable names at practice every day. The Washington offensive staff at that time included Shanahan, McDaniel, Sean McVay and Mike LaFleur.

Not a bad group to be around for someone who was destined to be an offensive coordinator.

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The Texans have always run some zone scheme even under O'Brien (not much though).
The play action with the ZBS to one side and the QB rolling out to the other side (the bootleg) has always been there.

When Tunsil was in Miami with Ryan Tannerhill as QB in 2018, the Dolphins run the WCO which Tannerhill was familiar with at A&M.
Back in 2012, the Dolphins even hired Mike Sherman from A&M to be the OC.

The Titans also run the WCO and the ZBS while AJ Cann was there.

Same with the Chargers and Quessenberry (not saying that he's the solution at C).
 
76Texan said:
The Texans have always run some zone scheme even under O'Brien (not much though).
The play action with the ZBS to one side and the QB rolling out to the other side (the bootleg) has always been there.

When Tunsil was in Miami with Ryan Tannerhill as QB in 2018, the Dolphins run the WCO which Tannerhill was familiar with at A&M.
Back in 2012, the Dolphins even hired Mike Sherman from A&M to be the OC.

The Titans also run the WCO and the ZBS while AJ Cann was there.

Same with the Chargers and Quessenberry (not saying that he's the solution at C).
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Not worried about Tunsil. Quessenberry is not the C solution in any scheme.

Almost all teams sprinkle in an element of the zone scheme. But saying that the Texans have always run some zone scheme is stretching reality a bit. It nowhere close to what is now anticipated.
 
Porky said:
You're comparing Culley and Ryans and wondering why the reception was different? You must be really bored. Welcome to the offseason!
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I believe in being treated fairly, everything Ryans does isn't great and everything that Culley did wasn't bad. Culley actually had some pretty good teachers on his staff.
vtech9 said:
Jonathan Mingo Wide Receiver Ole Miss | NFL Draft Profile & Scouting Report (nfldraftbuzz.com)
and
Elijah Higgins Wide Receiver Stanford | NFL Draft Profile & Scouting Report (nfldraftbuzz.com)
are a couple of WR's I like. I'd actually like to take Higgins late, and convert him to a TE.
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I really like Mingo

Michael Wilson is a guy who impressed me at the Sr. Bowl.
 
Texansballer74 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1625926508572180491
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justtxyank22 said:
I don’t think there is enough of a base of long term players on offense here to be concerned personally. This feels like when Kubiak took over. Had to redo the whole roster basically.
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I am glad, with what we have most need to go or really step up. The feeling I have is being cramped in a box with minimal oxygen. Suddenly, a breath of new if not better air wafts into my nostrils. Has a door been opened to fresh air that can lead to a much happier existence or was my box revealed to be in a slightly larger box leading nowhere? I am trying to be reasonable and not become giddy but it's is difficult.
 
Porky said:
Why does this thread title remind me of a soap opera title?

We'll be back to Anticiatping Ryans Staff after these commercial messages. And stay tuned for the Days of our lives.
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If you have been staring at Gunsmoke repeats for decades.. a soap opera can offer a brief respite. Trapped on a deserted island one shivers and shouts with anticipation at a new sail on horizon. It perhaps is only a cloud but darn it looks like a sail. Even one with a skull and crossbones may get me off the Isle. I am about ready to choke out Gilligan and May Ann!
 
justtxyank22 said:
I don’t think there is enough of a base of long term players on offense here to be concerned personally. This feels like when Kubiak took over. Had to redo the whole roster basically.
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There's actually more than what Kubiak had to work with now vs then, minus AJ.
 
TexansBull said:
Because he is wasn’t the most qualified from the start, Tim Kelly was kept as OC, and he tried to punt on 3rd down.
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Keeping Kelly turned out to be the correct move.

I just expect Ryan's to get the Culley treatment from the media, but we know that's not going to happen.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Exactly, and speed and blocking is a difficult combination to find in a receiver.........especially, the blocking trait. In fact, as much as one would expect a TE, as big as they, are to be able to commonly fit the bill, you hardly find a TE that is shifty with good hands AND a good blocker.
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The Chiefs run a version of the WCO and their wr corps is based on speed. I do think Collins will be a good fit.

BTW, if they were ever going to find the type of TE you're describing then this would be the yr to do it.
 
76Texan said:
The Texans have always run some zone scheme even under O'Brien (not much though).
The play action with the ZBS to one side and the QB rolling out to the other side (the bootleg) has always been there.

When Tunsil was in Miami with Ryan Tannerhill as QB in 2018, the Dolphins run the WCO which Tannerhill was familiar with at A&M.
Back in 2012, the Dolphins even hired Mike Sherman from A&M to be the OC.

The Titans also run the WCO and the ZBS while AJ Cann was there.

Same with the Chargers and Quessenberry (not saying that he's the solution at C).
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Cann played for the Titans?
 
steelbtexan said:
Cann played for the Titans?
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I look up the wrong thing.
At any rate, the Titans were running the WCO and the ZBS when they drafted A J Cann in 2015.

It wasn't until 2017 that they moved to a power blocking scheme to accommodate Fournette.

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FuzzyLogic said:
I think Ryans was top 2 or 3 hottest young coaches on the market, and Culley had most people searching Wikipedia to find out who he was.

Hence why in the media:

Ryans = Excitement
Culley = WTF?
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I guess I'm asking how much leeway is Ryan's going to get vs a guy like Culley?

I haven't seen one of the media types even question Ryans having a very inexperienced coaching staff.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Not worried about Tunsil. Quessenberry is not the C solution in any scheme.

Almost all teams sprinkle in an element of the zone scheme. But saying that the Texans have always run some zone scheme is stretching reality a bit. It nowhere close to what is now anticipated.
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I did say that Quessenberry is not the solution, but his PFF grades have always been higher than last year , sometimes by a good margin.

One could say that SQ can be a good place holder at Center in the ZBS while the young guy develops.

The Texans do pull their offensive linemen from time to time (a fair amount of time).
These guys are not zombies.
Pierce did break a lot of tackles, but the run blocking wasn't all terrible; if anything, I think the ZBS can help.

I do expect the Texans to draft a Center; I had previously expressed that thought.

My main point is that the Texans have a few guys to play the zone scheme while they continue to add more new pieces. Free Agency is another venue besides the draft.

You have to remember that many teams had had their Online going through a near complete makeover in a couple of years (Chiefs, Bengals, Chargers, etc.)

The more important thing is whether they (the Texans) can find a good offensive line coach.

It's not going to be an one-year deal, but at least it's not as bare-bone as what Kubiak had to work with his first year with the Texans (and that's really the nutshell of what I want to say.)
 
steelbtexan said:
I guess I'm asking how much leeway is Ryan's going to get vs a guy like Culley?

I haven't seen one of the media types even question Ryans having a very inexperienced coaching staff.
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I haven't really digged into the coaching staff that the Texans are assembling.
It does seem they're lacking on experience, but you never know.
The way the game is evolving, it may be the way to go; ie., fresh young mind to bring forward the "newer" style of the game.
It will be interesting to watch.
 
76Texan said:
I haven't really digged into the coaching staff that the Texans are assembling.
It does seem they're lacking on experience, but you never know.
The way the game is evolving, it may be the way to go; ie., fresh young mind to bring forward the "newer" style of the game.
It will be interesting to watch.
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It seems to be different than what we have tried before and I am all for that.
 
76Texan said:
I look up the wrong thing.
At any rate, the Titans were running the WCO and the ZBS when they drafted A J Cann in 2015.

It wasn't until 2017 that they moved to a power blocking scheme to accommodate Fournette.

bleacherreport.com

What Jaguars Move to Zone Blocking Scheme Means For Jacksonville's Draft Plans

After yet another disappointing season in 2012, the Jacksonville Jaguars are headed back to the drawing board. The team has a new general manager in David Caldwell, a new head coach in Gus Bradley and even a new logo...
bleacherreport.com bleacherreport.com

lastwordonsports.com

Leonard Fournette and the Jacksonville Jaguars Power Blocking Scheme

The Jacksonville Jaguars changed the look of their offense in the 2017 NFL Draft with the selection of Leonard Fournette.
lastwordonsports.com
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Hey, man.

I think the point is you keep saying Titans when you mean Jaguars. Even in this post that I've replied to, you've said Titans but linked to Jaguar info.
 
steelbtexan said:
I guess I'm asking how much leeway is Ryan's going to get vs a guy like Culley?

I haven't seen one of the media types even question Ryans having a very inexperienced coaching staff.
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mcclain has said they need a former head coach so there’s be some questioning.

however, the staff isn’t all that inexperienced. Undlin and Burke have been coaching a while and both are former DCs. Strausser has been a coach for a long time.Kiffin has coached a long time. The only guys who are all that inexperienced are demeco and slowik. Rest of the staff hasn’t been filled out yet.

culley got questioned right away because the circumstances were different and because he quickly started making himself appear incompetent as a HC.
 
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