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Which QB should the Texans consider signing/trading for?

Max

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Not necessarily, what i am saying is Hooker can be a QB that can take Texans to SB not saying he is better than Young. Young puts more fans in seats, more ad $ and more attention on Houston than Hooker.

Hooker adds more quality players to roster by allowing 2 and 12 to be moved in trades filling starter roles which is my goal.
Same with trading players like Tytus and Tunsil if the deal is right.
If Hooker can take us to the SB and Young is better. Take Young.
 

austins23

Hall of Fame
Bryce young may be the second coming of Montana/Brady and if he’s the pick I’ll be ok with it.
I just think the dude is too small! I’ll be watching every game waiting for some mean arse LBer to fold him up like a lawn chair! I know, it can happen to any QB…. I just think he’s too small. But whatever.
Me personally, I’d wait on the QB. Load this roster with talent then get your guy.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
You saying a 2nd round pick has the same odds of being the 'franchise' as Young at #2 is what I'm saying about passing on qb at the top of the draft. It's a two year commitment to find out what you actually have. That's a lot of commitment for someone you're meh about. I'm for rolling the dice on finding someone next year mid first round that is less meh. Or if you've built the team to where you're a qb away, find your qb in free agency. Yeah, it's rolling the dice but it's rolling the dice either way. All that said, I'm not going to cry a river if they pick Young at #2.
It did not take 2 years to know what the teams had with burrows, Mahomes or Dashaun Watson. Every individual different and I think often we try to push everybody in the same box.
 

Max

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It did not take 2 years to know what the teams had with burrows, Mahomes or Dashaun Watson. Every individual different and I think often we try to push everybody in the same box.
If Burrow was in this year's draft, we're not having this conversation. DW is worse than what we thought after 2 years, Mahomes better. List 10 random qbs and there was no way to know what you had at least until the 2nd year and often times longer.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
If Burrow was in this year's draft, we're not having this conversation. DW is worse than what we thought after 2 years, Mahomes better. List 10 random qbs and there was no way to know what you had at least until the 2nd year and often times longer.
Burrow doesn’t have to be in this draft. Can one of QBs in the 2023 draft take us to Super Bowl with players that can be assembled in next two years. Some say no. Some say yes.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
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Really? The Bills had the longest playoff drought going until Taylor helped them make the playoffs. Cincy got in the mix because of Burrow. Andy Reid is an offensive genius, but until he got that dude, we know Andy would be 1 and done. Every year there are at least 2 teams in each conference that make the playoffs that had losing record the year before. Miami,Jacksonville, Chargers made it this year. In the nfc, Giants, Seattle, and Vikings made it this year. That's 6 new teams .
Is it not true that the Bills made the playoffs with Tyrod at QB. Like I said Burrow getting hurt was the best thing that could have happened to the Bengals.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
Only sound argument against using the 2nd overall pick on a QB is once you make that plunge, four year window begins before rent is due (Multi-Million Dollar Franchise QB) foundation pieces need to be in place and ready for Super Bowl run.

Caserio has proven he can only do so much without collaboration from a legit coaching staff, but now that is in place, rapid improvement should follow with some cap space and draft capital. So you either have confidence in your process, your people and vision to move forward and build around a promising young QB prospect now or wait another year or two, possibly trading future #1’s to move up to draft a different promising young QB prospect. Neither of which is guaranteed.
 

steelbtexan

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Only sound argument against using the 2nd overall pick on a QB is once you make that plunge, four year window begins before rent is due (Multi-Million Dollar Franchise QB) foundation pieces need to be in place and ready for Super Bowl run.

Caserio has proven he can only do so much without collaboration from a legit coaching staff, but now that is in place, rapid improvement should follow with some cap space and draft capital. So you either have confidence in your process, your people and vision to move forward and build around a promising young QB prospect now or wait another year or two, possibly trading future #1’s to move up to draft a different promising young QB prospect. Neither of which is guaranteed.
Or you draft an avg QB because you want to put more fans in the seats and end up with an avg team.

Why would you want to open up the window just to become avg? To put more butts in the seats. This is a dumb way to do business and it's exactly what I expect out of the Texans org.
 

Number19

Hall of Fame
I’ll say it. If Young doesn’t weigh in over 200lbs at the combine & his pro day it’s a reach if he’s drafted in the top 10.
I forget who, and in which thread, but it's already reported he weighs over 200. Way back in October, Young said his goal was to be over by the combine. I'm more curious and expectant to see if he is indeed 6'0" and maybe a fraction over. He's a young man and still growing. He said he was 6'0" back in October. Can a young man grow another 1/4" or so in 6 months?
 

Number19

Hall of Fame

16 by draft should be doable.
Great update. Contrary to what others may think, it's not a burger and fry gut. Working with a nutritionist for healthy weight gain.
 

OptimisticTexan

2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I forget who, and in which thread, but it's already reported he weighs over 200. Way back in October, Young said his goal was to be over by the combine. I'm more curious and expectant to see if he is indeed 6'0" and maybe a fraction over. He's a young man and still growing. He said he was 6'0" back in October. Can a young man grow another 1/4" or so in 6 months?
At his age, probably not…..unless they figured out how to do knees. The most important thing regarding rapid weight gain, is it quality muscle?
 

Number19

Hall of Fame
At his age, probably not…..unless they figured out how to do knees. The most important thing regarding rapid weight gain, is it quality muscle?
You're likely correct. Googling, I learned something new. Men (probably women as well) have "growth plates" and can continue to increase their height until these "close" down around age 21, although most growth may stop around age 20. Young is currently 21, so it is slightly possible medically he could have added fractional height since he measured himself as 6'0". We don't know when this was, or if he rounded off. I'm not expecting it, but will not be surprised.

As for his weight gain, I'd be extremely surprised if an athlete did not combine his nutrition program with weight training.
 
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leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!
Enough to where they wouldn't have been able to draft Chase.
They weren't very good when he played as a rookie. So lets say they can't draft Chase, but what if they draft Devante Smith or Micah on defense? I'm not diminishing Chase because he was my #1 wr and really top 2 player. Do you remember who all the draftniks thought the Bengals should've drafted because Burrow got sacked alot his rookie year? Sewell who went to the Lions. Now Sewel has been cool this year, but that goes back to the theory that as long as you get it right, it doesn't matter. You think they play like they did last year if you sub Sewell out with Chase? I've never said don't address the ol, but you also need playmakers to win in the nfl.
 

leebigeztx

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You're likely correct. Googling, I learned something new. Men (probably women as well) have "growth plates" and can continue to increase their height until these "close" down around age 21, although most growth may stop around age 20. Young is currently 21, so it is slightly possible medically he could have added fractional height since he measured himself as 6'0". We don't know when this was, or if he rounded off. I'm not expecting it, but will not be surprised.

As for his weight gain, I'd be extremely surprised if an athlete did not combine his nutrition program with weight training.
I grew 1.5" after my 25th birthday. I went from 6'3 to 6'4.5 after 25.
 
The Raiders did take Russell #1. So I guess you're always right about these things.
No idea where this cheesy attempt at sarcasm is coming from, but ok I guess lol. I'm sure this is not a priority of yours, but if you care to, please re-read was I was actually trying to say instead of whatever it is you're doing. Might help you make more sense.
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
What? I said the opposite. Consensus top QB you take in high lottery; non-consensus you can wait. Some dense folks around here lol.
So taking JaMarcus Russel high would have been just fine with you since he was the consensus top QB?

And last I checked, the consensus top QBs in this draft are Young and Stroud. So I have no idea what argument it is you're trying to make.
 

OptimisticTexan

2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
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So a bunch of folks whose jobs aren’t on the line if the player they’re pushing doesn’t work out. That’s exactly why those folks are to be seen not heard. The Texans scouting department, Caserio, Ryans, OC, and DC are the only consensus that matters.

Raiders signed Mayock (talkignhead and resident genius) and that didn’t work out so well.
 
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steelbtexan

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They weren't very good when he played as a rookie. So lets say they can't draft Chase, but what if they draft Devante Smith or Micah on defense? I'm not diminishing Chase because he was my #1 wr and really top 2 player. Do you remember who all the draftniks thought the Bengals should've drafted because Burrow got sacked alot his rookie year? Sewell who went to the Lions. Now Sewel has been cool this year, but that goes back to the theory that as long as you get it right, it doesn't matter. You think they play like they did last year if you sub Sewell out with Chase? I've never said don't address the ol, but you also need playmakers to win in the nfl.
I was on team Sewell because after Burrow tore his ACL my thought process was they needed to do everything possible to protect the franchise. (Burrow) I'm guessing Burrow told Tobin he really wanted Chase. That turned out to be the correct decision. Even though they tried last offseason the OL is still in a state of disrepair. If I'm Cincy, I'm letting Collins walk, spending that money in FA on keeping Pratt/Bates and drafting a guy like Darnell Wright in the late 1st and then a guy like Steen or Bergeron in the 3rd. I see that Harrison from Oklahoma is highly rated but I haven't looked at him. Supposedly he's got potential to be a long time starter at LT. Can you give me your thoughts on Harrison.
 

steelbtexan

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& we fall for it every time

EVERY TIME
I've got my own rankings, a few like BL/BB/rmartin have their own ranking too. For instance, I've got Mauch/Schmitz rated as top 15 guys. Same with Hyatt. My favorite LB in this draft is Henley and I wouldn't have an issue at taking him at 2-32. Most have him as a 3rd or 4th rd pick. Mazi Smith is going to be a really good football player and he deserves a 1st rd grade in my mind but will fall to the 2nd due to the position he plays. The most have him going in the late 2nd. I think he's going to be a 10 yr starter and his best football is ahead of him.

Some on here think I dont know what I'm talking about and I might be wrong, but I go by what I see and I dont go along with alot of the group think.
 
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I was on team Sewell because after Burrow tore his ACL my thought process was they needed to do everything possible to protect the franchise. (Burrow) I'm guessing Burrow told Tobin he really wanted Chase. That turned out to be the correct decision. Even though they tried last offseason the OL is still in a state of disrepair. If I'm Cincy, I'm letting Collins walk, spending that money in FA on keeping Pratt/Bates and drafting a guy like Darnell Wright in the late 1st and then a guy like Steen or Bergeron in the 3rd. I see that Harrison from Oklahoma is highly rated but I haven't looked at him. Supposedly he's got potential to be a long time starter at LT. Can you give me your thoughts on Harrison.
Sewell was a great pick for the Lions. Goff is good when he's protected, and Sewell has turned out to be one of the NFL's best pass protectors at his position. Anybody taking Stroud will want to follow that model of building up a Tier-1 OL... That 2021 was just spectacular in the Top 12. Amazing talent in that draft.
 

steelbtexan

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Sewell was a great pick for the Lions. Goff is good when he's protected, and Sewell has turned out to be one of the NFL's best pass protectors at his position. Anybody taking Stroud will want to follow that model of building up a Tier-1 OL... That 2021 was just spectacular in the Top 12. Amazing talent in that draft.
Yep, and last yrs draft was really strong as well.

This yrs draft not so much. Caserio needs to take 4-103, the 5th and a 6th to trade up to get another top 75 pick. The strength of this draft is in the 1st 75 players. After that it's weak and a true crapshoot.

If it was me I would want as mant top 50 guys as I could get and would trade 3-73 and 4-103 to get another top 50 ish pick.

1-12 Anderson
1-12 Hyatt
2-33 Schmitz
2-50 Smith
3-64 Achane

This would make me very happy.
 

leebigeztx

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Sewell was a great pick for the Lions. Goff is good when he's protected, and Sewell has turned out to be one of the NFL's best pass protectors at his position. Anybody taking Stroud will want to follow that model of building up a Tier-1 OL... That 2021 was just spectacular in the Top 12. Amazing talent in that draft.
Sewell is avg at best. Goff is a vet and gets rid of the ball.
 

leebigeztx

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Sewell was a great pick for the Lions. Goff is good when he's protected, and Sewell has turned out to be one of the NFL's best pass protectors at his position. Anybody taking Stroud will want to follow that model of building up a Tier-1 OL... That 2021 was just spectacular in the Top 12. Amazing talent in that draft.
The Texans line is better than Lions oline especially at tackle.
 

leebigeztx

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I was on team Sewell because after Burrow tore his ACL my thought process was they needed to do everything possible to protect the franchise. (Burrow) I'm guessing Burrow told Tobin he really wanted Chase. That turned out to be the correct decision. Even though they tried last offseason the OL is still in a state of disrepair. If I'm Cincy, I'm letting Collins walk, spending that money in FA on keeping Pratt/Bates and drafting a guy like Darnell Wright in the late 1st and then a guy like Steen or Bergeron in the 3rd. I see that Harrison from Oklahoma is highly rated but I haven't looked at him. Supposedly he's got potential to be a long time starter at LT. Can you give me your thoughts on Harrison.
People put too much emphasis on the line related to sacks. Some qbs take sacks because they're playmakers. Not saying they play off script alot, but they will hold the ball to make chunk plays. Everyone isn't going to get rid of the ball like Brady,Cousins,or Manning. Ben,Rodgers,Wilson, and even guys like Allen and Burrow are playmakers and will take sacks to push the ball downfield. I mean we witnessed Mahomes when he was running for his life because the tackles were injured. We saw Buffalo with Von Miller put alot of pressure on Mahomes and they had the number 1 pass blocking unit.
 
The Texans line is better than Lions oline especially at tackle.
PFF disagrees, and it's not even close:

Overall, their offensive line finished the season on the lower end of PFF’s rankings. Here is where all 32 teams stand going into the playoffs.

1. Philadelphia Eagles
2. Baltimore Ravens
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Kansas City Chiefs
5. Atlanta Falcons
6. Cleveland Browns
7. San Francisco 49ers
8. Detroit Lions
9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
10. Las Vegas Raiders
11. New England Patriots
12. Dallas Cowboys
13. Minnesota Vikings
14. Chicago Bears
15. Carolina Panthers
16. Pittsburgh Steelers
17. Los Angeles Chargers
18. Indianapolis Colts
19. Jacksonville Jaguars
20. Washington Commanders
21. Denver Broncos
22. Miami Dolphins
23. Buffalo Bills
24. Arizona Cardinals
25. Los Angeles Rams
26. Houston Texans
27. Seattle Seahawks
28. Cincinnati Bengals
29. New Orleans Saints
30. New York Giants
31. New York Jets
32. Tennessee Titans

Penei Sewell is not an average player at best. WTF? He just made the Pro Bowl and only gave up 2 sacks all year and anchored a line where Jamaal Williams ran for a league high 17 TDs. Not saying it was all Sewell, but he was the staple of the line.
 
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Lucky

Ride, Captain, Ride!
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No idea where this cheesy attempt at sarcasm is coming from, but ok I guess lol. I'm sure this is not a priority of yours, but if you care to, please re-read was I was actually trying to say instead of whatever it is you're doing. Might help you make more sense.
I gave your post its just due.

What? I said the opposite. Consensus top QB you take in high lottery; non-consensus you can wait. Some dense folks around here lol.
Can you elaborate on what this term means to you? Like a definition.
 
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