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Which QB should the Texans consider signing/trading for?

OptimisticTexan

2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Do y'all ever want to start winning again? If you sit there with the bat on your shoulder you're never going to get a hit. Eventually you're going to have to take a swing. If 2023 is a crapshoot and 2024 is a crapshoot .... wait, what? Every ******* draft there's ever been and there's ever going to be is a crapshoot. Shit or get off the pot. Draft your damn QB. If it doesn't work out you draft until it does.
Great.....are you good with Hendon Hooker in RD2?
 

OptimisticTexan

2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
What do you think they ran last year with Mills? Mills is done, he has no clutchness in him and shrinks. He has no command either.
The problem with a statement like this.....it's just an opinion. At this point, Caserio nor Ryans have stated Mills is out due to TT Message Board members feeling he hasn't lived up to their expectations. Aside from the members.....I haven't heard Caserio nor Ryans mention that Mills is out. What I have heard, Ryans is aware that the team needs more QB personnel since there's only one on the roster at this time. He also mentioned that QB is just one of the 22 starting parts on the offense and defense.
 
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Number19

Hall of Fame
That's not necessarily true. There's been several QBs who've played Year 1 and you knew were 'the guy' right away: Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes (sat a year), Joe Burrow, Dan Marino, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan... Lots of QBs and in different areas of the draft. Many take more than one season to hit their stride, but not exclusively. Either way, doesn't change the fact that the right guy must be taken or the organization gets set back 3 years.
Do all these teams have discussion boards like TT? Was there unanimity on these boards before they were selected that these qbs were "the one"? How about after the draft? Was everyone in agreement that they had found their franchise qb?
 
Do all these teams have discussion boards like TT? Was there unanimity on these boards before they were selected that these qbs were "the one"? How about after the draft? Was everyone in agreement that they had found their franchise qb?
Probably not, but that wasn't the point I was making. The point was in relation to the poster saying the QB would probably be in development Year 1, so why not take a shot at Young or Stroud. So my rebuttal remark is that historically, there have been many QBs where you know he was "the guy" right away, after Year 1. Not having that clear cut guy right away increases the odds of a flop and 3-year albatross, which we definitely want to avoid.

The best way to safeguard against this (as much as possible) is to draft a high-conviction QB in the high lottery. But, we don't have that this year. So "taking a shot" is best suited lower down. Many disagree, many agree. Circular argument in which there is no winner, so I'm getting off this thread train. We shall see what happens.
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
That's not necessarily true. There's been several QBs who've played Year 1 and you knew were 'the guy' right away: Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes (sat a year), Joe Burrow, Dan Marino, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan... Lots of QBs and in different areas of the draft. Many take more than one season to hit their stride, but not exclusively. Either way, doesn't change the fact that the right guy must be taken or the organization gets set back 3 years.
Not arguing about picking the right guy. I’m arguing that YOU don’t know that the right guy isn’t Young or Stroud or any of the QBs YOU don’t like in this class.

Great.....are you good with Hendon Hooker in RD2?
If that’s who they pick I’ll have to be good with it until he plays and shows us what he can or can’t do. Then it will either be move forward because you’ve got your QB or go back to the drawing board like it is every year for half the teams in the league looking for a QB.
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
The problem with a statement like this.....it's just an opinion. At this point, Caserio nor Ryans have stated Mills is out due to TT Message Board members feeling he hasn't lived up to their expectations. Aside from the members.....I haven't heard Caserio nor Ryans mention that Mills is out. What I have heard, Ryans is aware that the team needs more QB personnel since there's only one on the roster at this time. He also mentioned that QB is just one of the 22 starting parts on the offense and defense.
Hey brother it’s the same as TT Message Board members believing there’s not a franchise quarterback in this years draft correct?

Mills was very bad last season and that’s a fact.
And here we’re talking about drafting another player coming off a serious injury. Bump drafting a healthy player who is imo better. Talk about Stingley/Gardner all over again.

That statement by Ryans could mean a lot of things not just that brother. He also could be playing mind games with the rest of the teams. Now way he’s showing his hands like that.
 
Not arguing about picking the right guy. I’m arguing that YOU don’t know that the right guy isn’t Young or Stroud or any of the QBs YOU don’t like in this class.



If that’s who they pick I’ll have to be good with it until he plays and shows us what he can or can’t do. Then it will either be move forward because you’ve got your QB or go back to the drawing board like it is every year for half the teams in the league looking for a QB.
And I aruguing that YOU don't know Young or Stroud is the guy or any QBs in this class. Again, you miss the point. I am not adverse to picking a QB - just the when and who and where part.
 

OptimisticTexan

2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Hey brother it’s the same as TT Message Board members believing there’s not a franchise quarterback in this years draft correct?

Mills was very bad last season and that’s a fact.
And here we’re talking about drafting another player coming off a serious injury. Bump drafting a healthy player who is imo better. Talk about Stingley/Gardner all over again.

That statement by Ryans could mean a lot of things not just that brother. He also could be playing mind games with the rest of the teams. Now way he’s showing his hands like that.
Before (IMHO) his injury Hendon Hooker was the top QB in CFB. His injury was a non-contact ACL. It was repaired fairly fast and he's been rehabbing for a while. HH stated he would be ready for NFL training camp....I believe he's too eager to be optimistic, but I like his drive. He was invited and showed up at the Senior Bowl wearing a full length knee support, but was walking everywhere on his own power. He also participated in QB film study, game preparation, while handling interviews with teams. As most folks on this board have alluded to, they'd like their QB (Young, Stroud, Levis, or Richardson) to get some time behind a veteran before going under Center.....I've stated the same thing about Hooker.

This is why I've mentioned on multiple occasions that Jimmy Garoppolo would be my veteran of choice for the Texans. Primary reason is the mutual relationship between he and Ryans, second would be his familiarity with the WCO, and third....I don't think he or his agent are delusional enough to think he's going to get 30M a season from any team. I see Jimmy G accepting something in the range of 12-15M a season to try and rebuild his resume. I also like Jimmy G as a starter and think he'd be a good locker room leader and QB room leader as well. Jimmy G would be the starter until an injury derailed his season.....which should be ample time for Hooker or Mills to go under Center. Having a seasoned veteran of the WCO on the sideline, with the young guys, would be invaluable from a knowledge and mentor standpoint.

This keeps RD1 (2 and/or 12) open for a trade back while adding valuable picks for this draft and the 2024 draft. Depending on how the draft falls, Texans could stand pat and take the 2 players they fill could help them most on defense or from the RB, WR, or in the trenches.

This would be my approach to landing a veteran, a rookie who should've been a RD1 prospect, the ability to finally get Mills on the sideline to be properly developed, while potentially adding some much desired RD1, RD2, RD3, and/or 2024 draft capital.
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
And I aruguing that YOU don't know Young or Stroud is the guy or any QBs in this class. Again, you miss the point. I am not adverse to picking a QB - just the when and who and where part.
The difference is I never said they were right or wrong. YOU have made a claim to them being wrong. YOU don’t know that.
 
The difference is I never said they were right or wrong. YOU have made a claim to them being wrong. YOU don’t know that.
I have made no such claim. I have said that given there is no consensus top pick, the risk of a high lottery QB is elevated this year. I did not say Stroud or Young will bust, because nobody knows - but they do have flaws which make them a bust or 'mid' risk. I said risk is elevated and you can clearly see this by listening to the pundits and podcasts out there, in which I listen to many.

If there is a Trevor Lawrence or Luck or Manning in this draft please point this out. This comment SHOULD NOT be construed as saying we shouldn't take a QB, because I think we should. About who/when/where. If that is high lottery, we better get this right or we'll be the Browns or Jets - in QB albatross that will be hard to rid of for 3 years.
 
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Number19

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Before (IMHO) his injury Hendon Hooker was the top QB in CFB. His injury was a non-contact ACL. It was repaired fairly fast and he's been rehabbing for a while. HH stated he would be ready for NFL training camp....I believe he's too eager to be optimistic, but I like his drive. He was invited and showed up at the Senior Bowl wearing a full length knee support, but was walking everywhere on his own power. He also participated in QB film study, game preparation, while handling interviews with teams. As most folks on this board have alluded to, they'd like their QB (Young, Stroud, Levis, or Richardson) to get some time behind a veteran before going under Center.....I've stated the same thing about Hooker.

This is why I've mentioned on multiple occasions that Jimmy Garoppolo would be my veteran of choice for the Texans. Primary reason is the mutual relationship between he and Ryans, second would be his familiarity with the WCO, and third....I don't think he or his agent are delusional enough to think he's going to get 30M a season from any team. I see Jimmy G accepting something in the range of 12-15M a season to try and rebuild his resume. I also like Jimmy G as a starter and think he'd be a good locker room leader and QB room leader as well. Jimmy G would be the starter until an injury derailed his season.....which should be ample time for Hooker or Mills to go under Center. Having a seasoned veteran of the WCO on the sideline, with the young guys, would be invaluable from a knowledge and mentor standpoint.

This keeps RD1 (2 and/or 12) open for a trade back while adding valuable picks for this draft and the 2024 draft. Depending on how the draft falls, Texans could stand pat and take the 2 players they fill could help them most on defense or from the RB, WR, or in the trenches.

This would be my approach to landing a veteran, a rookie who should've been a RD1 prospect, the ability to finally get Mills on the sideline to be properly developed, while potentially adding some much desired RD1, RD2, RD3, and/or 2024 draft capital.
I differ in that Jimmy G should not be handed the starting role. There should be competition in training camp and if Mills is the better, he should start.
 

Porky

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Before (IMHO)
This is why I've mentioned on multiple occasions that Jimmy Garoppolo would be my veteran of choice for the Texans. Primary reason is the mutual relationship between he and Ryans, second would be his familiarity with the WCO, and third....I don't think he or his agent are delusional enough to think he's going to get 30M a season from any team. I see Jimmy G accepting something in the range of 12-15M a season to try and rebuild his resume. I also like Jimmy G as a starter and think he'd be a good locker room leader and QB room leader as well. Jimmy G would be the starter until an injury derailed his season.....which should be ample time for Hooker or Mills to go under Center. Having a seasoned veteran of the WCO on the sideline, with the young guys, would be invaluable from a knowledge and mentor standpoint.
I'm seeing figures of 25-30 million per annum for Jimmy. I guess the proof will be in the pudding so it's all speculation right now, but you don't sign a guy for that $$$ unless he is your unquestioned starter.

Since we've got 1.2 or 1.12 to choose a QB - no way in hell am I signing a high-priced vet. I would be interested in a guy that comes on the (relative) cheap, can play halfway decently until Young/Stroud/Levis/Richardson is ready to go which might be anywhere from a couple of games to a full season riding the pine. And then thereafter can be a solid #2 and good locker room guy. My two picks are Gardner Minshew and Jacoby Brissett. I'd also consider Mike White or Cooper Rush if you can pry him away from Dallas.
 

Texan Asylum

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Before (IMHO) his injury Hendon Hooker was the top QB in CFB. His injury was a non-contact ACL. It was repaired fairly fast and he's been rehabbing for a while. HH stated he would be ready for NFL training camp....I believe he's too eager to be optimistic, but I like his drive. He was invited and showed up at the Senior Bowl wearing a full length knee support, but was walking everywhere on his own power. He also participated in QB film study, game preparation, while handling interviews with teams. As most folks on this board have alluded to, they'd like their QB (Young, Stroud, Levis, or Richardson) to get some time behind a veteran before going under Center.....I've stated the same thing about Hooker.

This is why I've mentioned on multiple occasions that Jimmy Garoppolo would be my veteran of choice for the Texans. Primary reason is the mutual relationship between he and Ryans, second would be his familiarity with the WCO, and third....I don't think he or his agent are delusional enough to think he's going to get 30M a season from any team. I see Jimmy G accepting something in the range of 12-15M a season to try and rebuild his resume. I also like Jimmy G as a starter and think he'd be a good locker room leader and QB room leader as well. Jimmy G would be the starter until an injury derailed his season.....which should be ample time for Hooker or Mills to go under Center. Having a seasoned veteran of the WCO on the sideline, with the young guys, would be invaluable from a knowledge and mentor standpoint.

This keeps RD1 (2 and/or 12) open for a trade back while adding valuable picks for this draft and the 2024 draft. Depending on how the draft falls, Texans could stand pat and take the 2 players they fill could help them most on defense or from the RB, WR, or in the trenches.

This would be my approach to landing a veteran, a rookie who should've been a RD1 prospect, the ability to finally get Mills on the sideline to be properly developed, while potentially adding some much desired RD1, RD2, RD3, and/or 2024 draft capital.
Excellent post and good solid reasons for your point of view. I agree with your position but am open to Carr or Garoppollo. Would like to see the other pressing positions primarily addressed in this draft. Build the foundation and the trenches, IMO.
 

OptimisticTexan

2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Excellent post and good solid reasons for your point of view. I agree with your position but am open to Carr or Garoppollo. Would like to see the other pressing positions primarily addressed in this draft. Build the foundation and the trenches, IMO.
I’m with you, but the 49’ers may be very focused players in the signing of Carr. Carr may like the possibilities with the 49’ers much better than the Texans since they’re a QB away from becoming a complete team on both sides of the ball. They could cut ties with Trey Lance and try to trade him for some kind of return. Lance just didn’t become the QB they drafted him to be and removing his contract could be beneficial.
 
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leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!
You're missing the point. If the Texans choose Bryce Young at #2 and he's middling this year, they are not taking a high QB next year. Teams historically don't keep selection high lottery QBs in back-to-back years. If you can refer to a precedent where this has happened, will gladly consider.
That's ol, de, or even a safety. If you're a high draft pick, they're going to give you the benefit of the doubt and give you a couple of years you probably don't deserve. Look at Clowney still getting chances. If you're a non highly drafted qb and you suck, they're going to get you out of there. See Weeden and other non high picks.
 
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leebigeztx

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Is it really a yr to yr league.

Seems to me that the Chiefs/Bengals/Bills/49ers etc... are always at the top of the league. They built their teams out then added the QB. I mean the Bengals had Higgins/Mixon/Boyd and Burrow, then actually got lucky when Burrow got hurt and added Chase.

Bills had a playoff team in place. Then drafted Allen and traded for Diggs. Chiefs had their team built out enough that they were a playoff team then drafted Mahomes and let him sit a yr before he started playing. The 49ers built their team out with Buckner/Armstead then traded for Jimmy G. etc....
Really? The Bills had the longest playoff drought going until Taylor helped them make the playoffs. Cincy got in the mix because of Burrow. Andy Reid is an offensive genius, but until he got that dude, we know Andy would be 1 and done. Every year there are at least 2 teams in each conference that make the playoffs that had losing record the year before. Miami,Jacksonville, Chargers made it this year. In the nfc, Giants, Seattle, and Vikings made it this year. That's 6 new teams .
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
I have made no such claim. I have said that given there is no consensus top pick, the risk of a high lottery QB is elevated this year. I did not say Stroud or Young will bust, because nobody knows - but they do have flaws which make them a bust or 'mid' risk. I said risk is elevated and you can clearly see this by listening to the pundits and podcasts out there, in which I listen to many.

If there is a Trevor Lawrence or Luck or Manning in this draft please point this out. This comment SHOULD NOT be construed as saying we shouldn't take a QB, because I think we should. About who/when/where. If that is high lottery, we better get this right or we'll be the Browns or Jets - in QB albatross that will be hard to rid of for 3 years.
To the bolded, NONE OF US KNOW IF THERE'S A LAWRENCE, LUCK, OR MANNING!!!!! Hell, some were ready to kick Lawrence to the curb after last year. YOU just assume their isn't a guy like them because YOU have them judged already. YOU think the risk of taking a QB high is elevated. If that's not YOU making a claim I don't know what is.

Pundits and podcasts?? So if the Texans, with a whole new staff with DeMeco, that we all think is a big step in the right direction, do their due diligence and decide on Young at 1:2, then what? One or both of those QBs are going to be taken high. That means somebody will have thought enough of them to take them that high whether YOU think it's an elevated risk or not. Any player taken high in the draft is a risk. I mean, haven't we all already established it's a crapshoot?

Of course you’ve got to get it right and even the pros will get it wrong. What were the Packers before Favre? The Colts before Manning? Hell, look at the Colts now after Luck. How many years did the Bills struggle between Kelly and Allen? If you’re worried about taking a shot and missing you’re never going to find the QB, setting you back 3 years be damned. Some of these teams go a couple of decades or more looking for a QB. It's why finding one is important, but not if it's too risky I guess. But then you hit on a Josh Allen, who nobody thought much of BTW, and you're in contention every year. If the Bills hadn't taken that gamble where would they be?
 

leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!
You're missing the point. If the Texans choose Bryce Young at #2 and he's middling this year, they are not taking a high QB next year. Teams historically don't keep selection high lottery QBs in back-to-back years. If you can refer to a precedent where this has happened, will gladly consider.
They don't do it with any position. If you take a 3 tech for your 4-3 and the next year, there is another 3 technique, teams aren't going to draft the exact same position.
 

Max

Veteran
did that with Mills in round three, not willing to do that again.
There's good arguments on both sides of this. I just think that there's more question marks for the top tier qbs than there should be to warrant the #2 pick. I could be wrong, but it seems like there's years that Young would be the 3rd or 4th top qb prospect. So why spend the #2 pick on someone that would probably be a top 15 pick another year? IMO, Will Anderson would be a top 3 pick in almost any draft. That's how I look at it.
 

thunderkyss

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Why dont you put the talent on the team 1st so that your QB has his best chance to succeed. Unless there's a generational QB?
If I were a coach with a 6 year contract hired by a team looking stupid for firing two minority HCs in two consecutive years, that’s exactly what I’d do. Build a team that can win with Fitzpatrick-like QB, or get lucky & find a Tannehill.

Then look for my Mahomie.
 

thunderkyss

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I differ in that Jimmy G should not be handed the starting role. There should be competition in training camp and if Mills is the better, he should start.
With the 7th most cap space in the league we have about $30M to spend. Jimmy G is going to cost north of $10M/yr.

a third of your cap. You can push some of that to future years, but that’s the kind of behavior we need to get away from, spending future dollars before you have a core.

We could free up money, restructuring contracts, spending future dollars without a foundation of your team.

I would rather bring in guys we can get cheap. Like Seattle landing Geno & Geno balling. What’s Jamies doing?
 

Lucky

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If there is a Trevor Lawrence or Luck or Manning
So only take a QB high once every 10 years? I guess we wait another 8 years...
Not arguing about picking the right guy. I’m arguing that YOU don’t know that the right guy isn’t Young or Stroud or any of the QBs YOU don’t like in this class.
Not picking on @ben.aires.smith, but there are a lot of posters that confuse their opinions with actual facts.

People, if you need the facts...just ask me.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
There's good arguments on both sides of this. I just think that there's more question marks for the top tier qbs than there should be to warrant the #2 pick. I could be wrong, but it seems like there's years that Young would be the 3rd or 4th top qb prospect. So why spend the #2 pick on someone that would probably be a top 15 pick another year? IMO, Will Anderson would be a top 3 pick in almost any draft. That's how I look at it.
Because a QB is the cornerstone of a team and due to nature of position and rarity you go 100 % for one that MOST
think could be franchise. No reason to compare Young for example to Brady, Burrow, Fields etc.

If Texans think Stroud and/or Young are only franchise QB they should not hope they can get one in 2024. If as do I, they opine a later QB [Hooker] can be guy, opens up 2 and 12.
 
So only take a QB high once every 10 years? I guess we wait another 8 years...

Not picking on @ben.aires.smith, but there are a lot of posters that confuse their opinions with actual facts.

People, if you need the facts...just ask me.
Nobody has facts here, only opinions and philosophies. Not sure why you or anyone else would conflatie the two. Weird.

And no, generational comes around more than once every decade. A lot of QBs succeed lower than the high lottery as well—it's not an either/or proposition like many make it out to be here.

So whatevs, this conversation is stale. We'll see what happens.
 
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badboy

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If I were a coach with a 6 year contract hired by a team looking stupid for firing two minority HCs in two consecutive years, that’s exactly what I’d do. Build a team that can win with Fitzpatrick-like QB, or get lucky & find a Tannehill.

Then look for my Mahomie.
If you [the Texans 'you' ] thought Young could be Mahomes, you ignore him and build trenches?
 

thunderkyss

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So only take a QB high once every 10 years? I guess we wait another 8 years...
I think he’s saying if he’s a top five prospect you take him in the top 5. I’ll add take him #1 overall even if he’s not the top prospect.

But if he’s not a top 5 prospect, don’t let your need “make” him a top 5 prospect.
 
If you [the Texans 'you' ] thought Young could be Mahomes, you ignore him and build trenches?
But not many pundits think he can be that guy, because he doesn't have the same size or the arm talent. The comparison to Mahomes is kind of moronic for that reason. Not to say he won't be good in his own right and style, but comparing Young to Mahomes because he has similar escapability and throws from various arm angles is lazy evaluation.
 

thunderkyss

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If you [the Texans 'you' ] thought Young could be Mahomes, you ignore him and build trenches?
Watson won 4 games in 2020.


I get it. Coaches have to try to win now.

But Demeco has time. Let’s imagine you think Young is Mahomes/Watson & you pass on him. Just wait. Josh Allen, Joe Burrows, Justin Herbert, or whoever the next guy is going to be will be along soon.
 

badboy

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But not many pundits think he can be that guy, because he doesn't have the same size or the arm talent. The comparison to Mahomes is kind of moronic for that reason. Not to say he won't be good in his own right and style, but comparing Young to Mahomes because he has similar escapability and throws from various arm angles is lazy evaluation.
Yet people here continue to compare Young. Pundits do think he can be that guy. I estimate 80 % of all doing mocks or discussing the draft say he will be top 5 pick and most of those say top 2.
 
I think he’s saying if he’s a top five prospect you take him in the top 5. I’ll add take him #1 overall even if he’s not the top prospect.

But if he’s not a top 5 prospect, don’t let your need “make” him a top 5 prospect.
Well said, but was also attempting to convey that unlike, say, a #15 or #22 pick, if a team is picking Top 3 then you are likely investing 3 years in that guy. With the former, you are not necessarily doing that if you sit him and he doesn't pan out in 'X' number of starts when his name is called. Picking Young or Stroud at #2 overall is a three year commitment, and that may be a great thing or disasterous thing. That same commitment isn't necessarily the same at a lower slot. So with significant questions at the top, I feel there's a good chance we get into an albatross here. yes, this is OPINION not fact, just like everyone elses.

Pretty simple concept really. You either agree or disagree, but amazing how such a simple concept flies over some people's heads lol.
 
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Yet people here continue to compare Young. Pundits do think he can be that guy. I estimate 80 % of all doing mocks or discussing the draft say he will be top 5 pick and most of those say top 2.
I'm seeing a lot of questions about top end ability, with the Young pick being mostly based on need (and strong abilities in multiple areas). And some don't think this is an especially strong draft class. SO maybe that's an argument that works in Young/Stroud's favor also.
 

badboy

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Watson won 4 games in 2020.


I get it. Coaches have to try to win now.

But Demeco has time. Let’s imagine you think Young is Mahomes/Watson & you pass on him. Just wait. Josh Allen, Joe Burrows, Justin Herbert, or whoever the next guy is going to be will be along soon.
If the next in that grouping does come along, will Ryans be able to get that guy?
 

badboy

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I'm seeing a lot of questions, with the Young pick being mostly based on need. And some don't think this is an especially strong draft class. SO maybe that's an argument that works in Young/Stroud's favor also.
If it were based soley on need then Stroud, Levis and Richardson would get equal billing to Young and they are not. Most think Young will be first QB taken as he is the best. No QB in 2022 draft or 24 draft will be available in this draft. Comparing him to any in 22 is silly and none in 24 GTD to be ours.
 

thunderkyss

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I never assumed anything. I offered an opinion which is the point of a NFL chat forum, correct? 🤣 Or are we only allowed (majority) consensus opinions here.
I’ll say it. If Young doesn’t weigh in over 200lbs at the combine & his pro day it’s a reach if he’s drafted in the top 10.
 

Max

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Because a QB is the cornerstone of a team and due to nature of position and rarity you go 100 % for one that MOST
think could be franchise. No reason to compare Young for example to Brady, Burrow, Fields etc.

If Texans think Stroud and/or Young are only franchise QB they should not hope they can get one in 2024. If as do I, they opine a later QB [Hooker] can be guy, opens up 2 and 12.
You saying a 2nd round pick has the same odds of being the 'franchise' as Young at #2 is what I'm saying about passing on qb at the top of the draft. It's a two year commitment to find out what you actually have. That's a lot of commitment for someone you're meh about. I'm for rolling the dice on finding someone next year mid first round that is less meh. Or if you've built the team to where you're a qb away, find your qb in free agency. Yeah, it's rolling the dice but it's rolling the dice either way. All that said, I'm not going to cry a river if they pick Young at #2.
 

thunderkyss

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If the next in that grouping does come along, will Ryans be able to get that guy?
Reid got Mahomes at 10.

If Caserio does his job right, draft well, acquire future picks, he should be able to. If he can’t, then it really doesn’t matter.


If Ryans think Henson Hooker is that guy, do you pass on him?
 

badboy

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You saying a 2nd round pick has the same odds of being the 'franchise' as Young at #2 is what I'm saying about passing on qb at the top of the draft. It's a two year commitment to find out what you actually have. That's a lot of commitment for someone you're meh about. I'm for rolling the dice on finding someone next year mid first round that is less meh. Or if you've built the team to where you're a qb away, find your qb in free agency. Yeah, it's rolling the dice but it's rolling the dice either way. All that said, I'm not going to cry a river if they pick Young at #2.
Not necessarily, what i am saying is Hooker can be a QB that can take Texans to SB not saying he is better than Young. Young puts more fans in seats, more ad $ and more attention on Houston than Hooker.

Hooker adds more quality players to roster by allowing 2 and 12 to be moved in trades filling starter roles which is my goal.
Same with trading players like Tytus and Tunsil if the deal is right.
 
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