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Which QB should the Texans consider signing/trading for?

ben.aires.smith said:
I think you're also correct because if Ryans implements the WCO, as per his stated intentions, we don't have the right personnel to run it: no dynamic fast-twitch/dynamic WRs who can make plays or RAC; no big play/seam running TE; no dynamic or proven pass catching back. IOL still crappy. Might be a couple of years to get the right pieces for this system, pending what is done in free agency. I don't expect an easy go of it for a lottery QB right away if one is taken.
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Bolded can all be corrected and much more this off season.
 
Number19 said:
It would be fantastic if DeMeco recognizes that we need to give our new #1 QB all the help to succeed and make the decision to address the defense in the '24 draft.
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There are some very good free agents out there to use that 2023 and 2024 cap space on. Bears getting all the attention but some player may like Houston situation better and a low 2023 base can be ramped up tremendously year two of a contract. We should see what we have in Caserio.
 
Max said:
QB might be the team's top need but shouldn't be the top priority, if that makes sense. I'd hope that there's a three year plan and the long term solution at qb comes after building the trenches and getting the defense where DeMeco wants it. You can get quite a ways with that alone. I think this strategy makes even more sense in a year that there isn't an elite qb in the draft.
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disagree 100%
 
Max said:
Take a flyer on someone in the 5th round on someone you think might surprise people. Maybe you get lucky and find a gem. Prime Payton or Brady ain't going to win with this team until a lot of other things get fixed.
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did that with Mills in round three, not willing to do that again.
 
DocBar said:
I understand that. Better to let Mills get crushed than the shiny new rookie.
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I think we will have a much better Oline so not as concerned with Young er the new QB getting crushed but Mills is not even a place holder unless it is for Hooker for a few weeks.
 
DocBar said:
This is why I'm perfectly fine with going with Mills in 2023 or bringing in a FA QB on a short-term deal to bridge the gap. I am 99.9% against starting a rookie QB. If he clearly earns the starting job in TC, then ok. If not, let him sit until he does earn it.
Honestly, drafting a QB is a total crapshoot. Whether you like the 2024 class better than the 2023 class is also a crapshoot.
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Do y'all ever want to start winning again? If you sit there with the bat on your shoulder you're never going to get a hit. Eventually you're going to have to take a swing. If 2023 is a crapshoot and 2024 is a crapshoot .... wait, what? Every ******* draft there's ever been and there's ever going to be is a crapshoot. Shit or get off the pot. Draft your damn QB. If it doesn't work out you draft until it does.
 
Speedy said:
Do y'all ever want to start winning again? If you sit there with the bat on your shoulder you're never going to get a hit. Eventually you're going to have to take a swing. If 2023 is a crapshoot and 2024 is a crapshoot .... wait, what? Every ******* draft there's ever been and there's ever going to be is a crapshoot. Shit or get off the pot. Draft your damn QB. If it doesn't work out you draft until it does.
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Take your shot after the team is better built out in 2024 with a better QB class

It also helps extend your window to win championships.
 
Speedy said:
Do y'all ever want to start winning again? If you sit there with the bat on your shoulder you're never going to get a hit. Eventually you're going to have to take a swing. If 2023 is a crapshoot and 2024 is a crapshoot .... wait, what? Every ******* draft there's ever been and there's ever going to be is a crapshoot. Shit or get off the pot. Draft your damn QB. If it doesn't work out you draft until it does.
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I'm good with drafting 4 QBs at 1.2. I just don't want him to be given the starting job because of his draft status. Give me Young, Stroud, Levis, or Richardson and I'll be happy. Just don't anoint him the starter until he's ready. Not real complicated.
 
DocBar said:
I'm good with drafting 4 QBs at 1.2. I just don't want him to be given the starting job because of his draft status. Give me Young, Stroud, Levis, or Richardson and I'll be happy. Just don't anoint him the starter until he's ready. Not real complicated.
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So when can he start? 6 games, 8, 12, next season?

For the 1st time this is really starting to look like it's getting ready to move off the ocean floor. They're always tinkering with the non-football stuff of course, but even that is looking like a total rebrand may be in the works. With the DeMeco hire it looks like they're finally getting serious about the product on the field for a change.

It's time to start trying to win football games. I agree to a point that you probably shouldn't just throw your rookie QB into the fire from the get go, but I don't waste a whole lot of time before I take the training wheels off.
 
steelbtexan said:
Your point is what?

Burrow isn't in this draft
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The point is there are several ways to building a successful team. What worked for this team doesn’t mean it would work for another team.


And dude stop it with this crap about the player isn’t in this draft. Well of course not because he came out a years ago.
 
Texansballer74 said:
The point is there are several ways to building a successful team. What worked for this team doesn’t mean it would work for another team.


And dude stop it with this crap about the player isn’t in this draft. Well of course not because he came out a years ago.
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There's no QB nearly as good as Burrow in this draft. If there was he would be a Bear.
 
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steelbtexan said:
There's no QB nearly as good as Burrow in this draft. If there was he would be a Bear.
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Says the great evaluator who refuses to look at a great brea down of a player, all because you wouldn’t draft him. You’re too closed minded when it comes to your personal feelings towards the players. And in this case his agent.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Says the great evaluator who refuses to look at great down of a player all because you would draft him. You’re too closed minded when it comes to your personal feelings towards the players. And in this case his agent.
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I've already seen him play 5 games. I dont need to see anymore. He's going to be a good but not great QB. If you want to win a few more games then he's your guy. If you want a championship level QB then I would pass.

BTW, I never said I was a great evaluator, in fact there are posters on this MB that I think are better evaluators than I am.

I just give my opinions on what I see. Take that with a grain of salt if you wish
 
Speedy said:
Do y'all ever want to start winning again? If you sit there with the bat on your shoulder you're never going to get a hit. Eventually you're going to have to take a swing. If 2023 is a crapshoot and 2024 is a crapshoot .... wait, what? Every ******* draft there's ever been and there's ever going to be is a crapshoot. Shit or get off the pot. Draft your damn QB. If it doesn't work out you draft until it does.
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I do not believe teams should be "taking a shot" in high lottery draft position. These are places to take blue chippers. Taking a shot and missing a high lottery QB is an extremely punitive measure which sets back a team for multiple years if you miss, unlike other positions. So unless you think Young and Stroud are blue chip or close to it, maybe "take a shot" in a further down. Wish this draft class had more certainty in the high end. JMO.
 
Number19 said:
Mills played at Stanford, which runs a version of the WCO. He should be a good fit if this is what DeMeco brings to Houston. Can new coaching fix whatever it was which caused his regression last year, that is the question.
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What do you think they ran last year with Mills? Mills is done, he has no clutchness in him and shrinks. He has no command either.
 
Speedy said:
Do y'all ever want to start winning again? If you sit there with the bat on your shoulder you're never going to get a hit. Eventually you're going to have to take a swing. If 2023 is a crapshoot and 2024 is a crapshoot .... wait, what? Every ******* draft there's ever been and there's ever going to be is a crapshoot. Shit or get off the pot. Draft your damn QB. If it doesn't work out you draft until it does.
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I was thinking the same thing. The oline is good enough to protect the passer on the edges. If Green is who many think he is, then the can sign a guard or center via free agency or draft. A decent qb could've won 6 or 7 games last year. Mills was terrible and it makes no sense to actually think he's going to improve. All the poster talking 2024 or 25, or 26 in a year to yr league is ridiculous to me.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
I don't understand your question. Hard to move off high lottery QBs. Management invests in a guy and it's hard to pivot quickly when you make that decision. It the reason why Zach Wilson might be back next year with the Jets.
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No its not. Look at Arizona or even the commanders with RG3. The rookie cap implemented in 2011 changed that. Look at the Jets with Darnold and Cleveland with Baker.
 
leebigeztx said:
No its not. Look at Arizona or even the commanders with RG3. The rookie cap implemented in 2011 changed that. Look at the Jets with Darnold and Cleveland with Baker.
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What are you talking about. Sam Darnold played 3 seasons with the Jets, starting at least 12 games in each season. And it was only after he went 2-10 in Year 3 that they realized he was a sunk cost and parted ways. Been trying to find a QB ever since.... Then they missed on Wilson. Very unfortunate because they have a playoff ready team, but no QB. They picked badly. That's the risk missing on QB in the high lottery presents —the Merry Go 'Round of suck when you think you have "the guy" but all you have is fool's gold.
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Browns did the same in the 2018 draft picking Mayfield #1 overall. And they went through 4 seasons of QB albatross suck because of it. Hard to get off these guys within 3 years when you miss.
 
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ben.aires.smith said:
I don't understand your question. Hard to move off high lottery QBs. Management invests in a guy and it's hard to pivot quickly when they make that decision. It the reason why Zach Wilson might be back next year with the Jets.
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Perhaps other teams do not think Zach Wilson will be any good? Or jets asking too much? Lots of time to trade.
 
leebigeztx said:
I've been trying to figure that one out myself. The Jets looks like they missed on Wilson, yet they're right in the playoff Hunt. They could draft a better version and cut Wilson and be in the mix. Its not like it was pre rookie salary cap.
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I was surprised that Zach Wilson did not progress. Perhaps it was Lafleur?
 
badboy said:
Perhaps other teams do not think Zach Wilson will be any good? Or jets asking too much? Lots of time to trade.
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Not sure what the deal is now with Wilson. But pertinent to the conversation, Jets have paid a tremendously punitive price for missing on Wilson. In the Top 10 of the 2021 Draft alone, they could have had Waddle, Sewell, Horn, Surtain, Chase, Pitts or Devonta Smith in lieu of Wilson. Micah Parsons went #12! And, he sucked so bad he took a solid playoff roster with talent at all levels and missed the playoffs. And the team is STILL planning on holding onto Wilson in Year 3. Disaster.
 
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ben.aires.smith said:
What are you talking about. Sam Darnold played 3 seasons with the Jets, starting at least 12 games in each season. And it was only after he went 2-10 in Year 3 that they realized he was a sunk cost and parted ways. Been trying to find a QB ever since.... Then they missed on Wilson. Very unfortunate because they have a playoff ready team, but no QB. They picked badly. That's the risk missing on QB in the high lottery presents —the Merry Go 'Round of suck when you think you have "the guy" but all you have is fool's gold.
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Browns did the same in the 2018 draft picking Mayfield #1 overall. And they went through 4 seasons of QB albatross suck because of it. Hard to get off these guys within 3 years when you miss.
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With texans we have at least 2 years to get it right on a draft quarterback. Most teams do not have That opportunity.
 
JB said:
Why is it harder to move off a QB than a CB, or DE, or RB or OT?
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It's hard to move off any player in the high lottery. But especially hard for QB probably because if they suck, being not used to the system or NFL game is used as an excuse to keep going. The learning curve is higher than any position, so team's stick with them in hopes they turn it around.
 
badboy said:
With texans we have at least 2 years to get it right on a draft quarterback. Most teams do not have That opportunity.
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You're missing the point. If the Texans choose Bryce Young at #2 and he's middling this year, they are not taking a high QB next year. Teams historically don't keep selection high lottery QBs in back-to-back years. If you can refer to a precedent where this has happened, will gladly consider.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
It's hard to move off any player in the high lottery. But especially hard for QB probably because if they suck, being not used to the system or NFL game is used as an excuse to keep going. The learning curve is higher than any position, so team's stick with them in hopes they turn it around.
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But they kick any other position to the curb?
 
ben.aires.smith said:
I do not believe teams should be "taking a shot" in high lottery draft position. These are places to take blue chippers. Taking a shot and missing a high lottery QB is an extremely punitive measure which sets back a team for multiple years if you miss, unlike other positions. So unless you think Young and Stroud are blue chip or close to it, maybe "take a shot" in a further down. Wish this draft class had more certainty in the high end. JMO.
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And I disagree. You won’t win consistently in this league without an upper tier QB. Sure, you can piece a team together and have things fall right for a year or two, but free agency makes that hard to maintain.

And the Texans are actually in a position where they’ve got enough draft capital to get some difference makers and get a QB. If you’re not taking a shot now, what’s the point?
 
Speedy said:
And I disagree. You won’t win consistently in this league without an upper tier QB. Sure, you can piece a team together and have things fall right for a year or two, but free agency makes that hard to maintain.

And the Texans are actually in a position where they’ve got enough draft capital to get some difference makers and get a QB. If you’re not taking a shot now, what’s the point?
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I disagree with you. Nobody debates not winning consistently with an upper tier QB. It's about where you take your shot, and about how taking a shot on the wrong place and guy is very bad for an organization. Tend to think there's too much risk with Stroud and Young (particularly Stroud for me), but others disagree. Stalemate conversation between 2 camps on this forum with different philosophies.

Perhaps the combine can allay some concerns the no QB @ #2 camp has about those 2 players.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
I disagree with you. Nobody debates not winning consistently with an upper tier QB. It's about where you take your shot, and about how taking a shot on the wrong place and guy is very bad for an organization. Tend to think there's too much risk with Stroud and Young, but others disagree. Stalemate conversation between 2 camps on this forum with different philosophies.

Perhaps the combine can allay some concerns the no QB @ #2 camp has about those 2 players.
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But just because YOU think it’s the wrong player or it’s too much of a risk doesn’t mean it is.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
So we agree then?? Because everyone agrees with that. Again, about positioning and player. And not setting this team back 3 years gambling on high lottery QB that's not worth a high lottery price.
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Whatever QB they get, the 1st year will be a wash, maybe the 1st 2. So what’s the difference if it’s 2 or 3 years? If you don’t take the “gamble” then you’re just pushing that process back another year. Still no difference.

Or maybe you get lucky and hit a HR.
 
leebigeztx said:
I was thinking the same thing. The oline is good enough to protect the passer on the edges. If Green is who many think he is, then the can sign a guard or center via free agency or draft. A decent qb could've won 6 or 7 games last year. Mills was terrible and it makes no sense to actually think he's going to improve. All the poster talking 2024 or 25, or 26 in a year to yr league is ridiculous to me.
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Is it really a yr to yr league.

Seems to me that the Chiefs/Bengals/Bills/49ers etc... are always at the top of the league. They built their teams out then added the QB. I mean the Bengals had Higgins/Mixon/Boyd and Burrow, then actually got lucky when Burrow got hurt and added Chase.

Bills had a playoff team in place. Then drafted Allen and traded for Diggs. Chiefs had their team built out enough that they were a playoff team then drafted Mahomes and let him sit a yr before he started playing. The 49ers built their team out with Buckner/Armstead then traded for Jimmy G. etc....
 
Speedy said:
Whatever QB they get, the 1st year will be a wash, maybe the 1st 2. So what’s the difference if it’s 2 or 3 years? If you don’t take the “gamble” then you’re just pushing that process back another year. Still no difference.

Or maybe you get lucky and hit a HR.
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Why dont you put the talent on the team 1st so that your QB has his best chance to succeed. Unless there's a generational QB?
 
Speedy said:
Whatever QB they get, the 1st year will be a wash, maybe the 1st 2. So what’s the difference if it’s 2 or 3 years? If you don’t take the “gamble” then you’re just pushing that process back another year. Still no difference.

Or maybe you get lucky and hit a HR.
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That's not necessarily true. There's been several QBs who've played Year 1 and you knew were 'the guy' right away: Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes (sat a year), Joe Burrow, Dan Marino, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan... Lots of QBs and in different areas of the draft. Many take more than one season to hit their stride, but not exclusively. Either way, doesn't change the fact that the right guy must be taken or the organization gets set back 3 years.
 
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