I really like O'Connell.
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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
You also have the option of Max Duggan - probably need our 5th to nab him though.
Edit - our 5th pick is #174 - Duggan may be gone by then - someone else may have the same idea and were impressed with what he did with TCU.
He might cost us #133 if we want to get him.
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This is exactly what I hope doesn’t happen.
Again, I’m not against drafting a QB. But I hope it’s because he believes it’s the best thing to do for the team & not the best chance to save his job.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Don't know why some posters think Caserio is on thin ice.
He'd already be gone if that were the case.
After this next draft he will be in an even better position.
He'd already be gone if that were the case.
After this next draft he will be in an even better position.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Lmao bringing in Jimmy G won’t save Caserio’s job.
Caserio won't be making the decision which QB is brought in/drafted
The only reason I see to stay away from Stroud is only being a 2-year starter and coming out of Ohio State. Unlike other OSU QB's, Stroud is a damned good pocket passer. I haven't watched enough of their games to see how well he anticipates WRs coming open or how well he processes the game, so I need to do that. The thing I like about him most is that you don't like him. You have an atrocious record when it comes to QBs coming out of college.
If the Texans get D Ryans as HC and he brings in an OC from the Shannahan tree, it just might.
If you like Goff then Stroud's your guy.
True when there's not a great QB prospect available. However I did get Mahomes right.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Highly doubt it. We don’t have the defensive hogs like the 49ers have. And we surly don’t have the offensive line they have over there in San Fran. Jimmy G can’t even stay healthy either.
And to Steel Goff and Stroud are not the same players. You don’t have to like Goff to like Stroud. Are you going to continue to say that every time someone brings up drafting Stroud?
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The OL will be fine IF Caserio goes out in FA and spends the money to get the best center available and Green gets healthy. Caserio also needs to draft a guy that can play C/OG IMHO and I would do that in the 4-103 range. Stromberg/Avila/Patterson etc... should be available then. Imagine having actual depth on the OL.
Would you like me to say Carr instead? I think I might do that since it should ring bells closer to home.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
The thing about Brock that people tend to overlook/forget is the insane number of games he started. Something like 47 or 48.
Agreed.
So very much Texans like to reach for a QB and you wonder why this team has sucked for 2 decades.
O'Connel has started a bunch of games also.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
About a season’s worth less.
Purdy was forced into action his true freshman year and then proceeded to start every game after that.
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And he's a midget according to some in these parts
Texansballer74
The Marine
Why compare him to anyone.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Gannon keeps getting mentioned a lot as well.
Your key word here is "perhaps".
My perspectives are based on historical analysis, not hopes and dreams and Unicorn wishes.
Maybe they buck their own trends and actually pick a player based solely on talent without considering marketing viability or whatever other off-field metrics they've used in the past.
And if they do, then good, it's a start. But based on what they've traditionally done, I'm not holding my breath.
I don't have a problem with them picking a QB if they believe he's the best player.
Just don't pick the tiny one that ALL of NFL history indicates will ultimately fail because of his physical size. The Houston Texans are not the franchise to tempt fate.
And therein lies the rub with the Houston Texans. Too many cooks in the kitchen that run from accountability when their meal tastes terrible.
Yep. But I'm sure whatever QB they pick will automatically be on ALL of the marketing material as an immediate starting QB to sell those season tickets.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
To be fair they did pass on Vince Young and all the jerseys he would have sold.
This is true. But Kubiak the Aggie was not going to deal with the arrogant UT QB. lol
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Man, what a time that was.
banned1976
sleeper mode
No, I want them to draft the player I want.
In all seriousness, until I know who the head coach is going to be I don't know if I want them making the selections. If they hire another place holder HC, I won't want that person making the picks. And I really wouldn't put it past them to punt again on a head coach.
To me the candidate that can put together the best staff is the guy I want. So far that's Gannon. I'm waiting to see Kalfka's potential staff. I prefer the Reid tree if all is equal.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Just pointing out that my perhaps is just as valid as your perhaps. Any quarterback taken with a second pick overall would expected to be on the marketing material. Would it not be silly and would we not be criticizing them if it were not?
It amazes me that we become so angry and distraught when teams don't draft who we think they should.
Any way, I'm off to hoping and dreaming and unicorn wishing...
If blue birds fly then why oh why can't I?
michaelm
vox nihili
This right here is the reason picking Young would be similar to taking Stingley last year.
There are franchises that can take those types of chances and then there's the Texans.
The Texans need to be making safe picks, not picking like they're the smartest man in the room, or trying to prove that they are
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I see it the same way, but with a different result. Who's the best player, just looking at everyone's play? It's Bryce Young. And it's not close. Trying to come up with reasons not to pick Young is trying to be the smartest guy in the room.
True enough about Jimmy G staying healthy.I do believe. however, that a young, energetic, and innovative guy like Ryans can get a lot closer to making chicken salad out of chicken shite than an older coach who runs an outdated system.
You know damned well that Steel will keep saying what he believes until the cows come home.
Texansballer74
The Marine
We don’t know that, Ryan’s might flame out on his first heading coaching job.
Yes I know how Steel gets down. Lol that’s why you have to love the exchange. He keeps it live at five around here for sure.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
That guy just got fired. not for picking Stingley but playing him out of position, among various other reasons.
I liked the Stingley pick, guess you didn't?
I'm sure the new coach will play him to his strengths. Maybe that will temper all the Sauce rants.
I don't have a distraught bone in my body, especially with regards to the Houston Texans.
I'm only out on a physically small QB because NFL history - all 100+ years of it - tells us that it is a very long shot to success. And the Houston Texas are not the franchise to change that history.
I've never had a "draft board", so there is no whining when "they don't pick my player". I'll leave that stuff to guys like you that enjoy it.
Yep. My thoughts exactly.
This team does not have the infrastructure to protect and grow a QB that is already starting off with an obvious handicap.
It's foolishly naive to believe the Houston Texans will somehow overcome their own inept history and 100+ years of NFL history.
But, then again, they say hope springs eternal for some sports fans to the point they they lose objectivity.
I've never claimed to be smart about any of this stuff, but analyzing historical trends is simple stuff.
It's the smartest guy in the room that tends to believe he's exempt from those trends and arrogant enough to believe he can overcome them.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Do you think he will need a top tier Offense around him, or can he make them better by being there?
I appreciate your input so give your opinions on this.
Kind of hard to go through reads when your primary WR is always open and you have all the time in the world to throw...LOL
That's exactly why Young is the best. He makes the players around him better. Jameson Williams couldn't get on the field at Ohio State. One year with Young, and he's the 12th pick in the draft. Bama's young WRs this season were fantastic by the end of the year. Young is a point guard type of QB. He sees the field and distributes.
How often does a guy the size of Bryce Young even get an opportunity like he did at Alabama? Don't you think they were asking themselves the same questions when recruiting Young? They could have passed and went with a more prototypical QB. But they looked at the tape and had to give him a chance. And he took that chance and ran with it.
Back in the late '90s, Michigan had a couple of QBs. One was a guy who looked like a comic book superhero in Drew Henson. Mr. Perfect. His muscles had muscles. The other guy was gangly, non-athletic kid who looked like a reject from the intramural basketball team. His name was Tom Brady. He couldn't break 5 seconds on his 40 yard dash. But he kept outplaying Mr. Perfect on the field. The coach couldn't believe what he saw. So he'd put Mr. Perfect on the field, anyway. Then he had to put Brady back out there to save the game when Mr. Perfect failed.
We know the ending. But no one would have written that ending back then. Because it didn't look right. Brady wasn't supposed to be able to do what he was doing. Mr. Perfect should be doing that. Just like the Mr. Perfects before him did. Elway, Kelly, Marino. No one looked at Joe Montana and said, "Oh yeah, this guy is a future HOFer." Unless you happened to actually see him play.
Everyone knows that Bryce Young is an outlier. But he is an outlier. He is great at playing QB. History may show that you don't see a guy that looks like him being great often. But Bryce Young shows you that he can play great. Sometimes you have to believe what you see, rather than what you've been told.
Porky
Hall of Fame
History, schmistory. It’s meaningless in the context of nfl football.
Alonzo Highsmith was a college FB/RB hybrid and was the 3rd overall pick In the draft by the Oilers in 1987.
Anyone think we’ll use our 1.2 on a FB/RB hybrid?
The game is played way differently than most of history. If this was 87, Young probably wouldn’t even be a QB in college. It’s a different game now. You also need to watch some of his games. Why did Tom Brady stay healthy for most of his career? Dude knows how to feel the rush, move around, climb the pocket, and is smart and can process quickly so he gets the ball out quickly and he spreads the ball around and keeps everyone involved. Guess who else displays these attributes? Young also has a knack for finding a way to avoid the big hits. You also have to consider the rule changes. Soon, QB’s will be wearing tutu’s and ballet shoes. guys can’t touch QB’s without a flag being thrown.
I remember a time when we drafted Jesus in cleats who had near ideal size, and who snapped his ACL in a non-contact practice and was out the rest of the year. **** happens at any size.
Personally I think it’s nonsense. I certainly think it’s an arguable position to at least consider his frame in the overall evaluation, but to rule him out completely for his size is extremely short-sighted imho.
He is my 1.1 QB with Stroud at 1.2. Both will be very good imho, but in mind, it’s the intangible aspects that separate Bryce from CJ. If you are looking for a guy with an IT factor and a true leader who has a chance to be truly special, Young is your guy.
Alonzo Highsmith was a college FB/RB hybrid and was the 3rd overall pick In the draft by the Oilers in 1987.
Anyone think we’ll use our 1.2 on a FB/RB hybrid?
The game is played way differently than most of history. If this was 87, Young probably wouldn’t even be a QB in college. It’s a different game now. You also need to watch some of his games. Why did Tom Brady stay healthy for most of his career? Dude knows how to feel the rush, move around, climb the pocket, and is smart and can process quickly so he gets the ball out quickly and he spreads the ball around and keeps everyone involved. Guess who else displays these attributes? Young also has a knack for finding a way to avoid the big hits. You also have to consider the rule changes. Soon, QB’s will be wearing tutu’s and ballet shoes. guys can’t touch QB’s without a flag being thrown.
I remember a time when we drafted Jesus in cleats who had near ideal size, and who snapped his ACL in a non-contact practice and was out the rest of the year. **** happens at any size.
Personally I think it’s nonsense. I certainly think it’s an arguable position to at least consider his frame in the overall evaluation, but to rule him out completely for his size is extremely short-sighted imho.
He is my 1.1 QB with Stroud at 1.2. Both will be very good imho, but in mind, it’s the intangible aspects that separate Bryce from CJ. If you are looking for a guy with an IT factor and a true leader who has a chance to be truly special, Young is your guy.
So you're overall point ends up being that those who are considered "the best out of a college draft" are mixed at best. 6 QBs picked before Brady are the perfect example of the hubris that often comes with big brains.
Every year we are told by the media and 'experts' of who is the best, and rarely do they live up to expectations. Just look at a list of 1.1 QBs, ALL predicted to be the best of their class before each draft. There is a 90% bust rate.
Other teams with great coaching staffs and talented rosters could take an outlier and make it successful.
The inherent flaw to your logic is expecting the Houston Texans to do it. There is literally nothing in the past two decades that gives me even the slightest hint of confidence that this franchise is up to that task.
Y'all just remember that the EXPERTS had Mitch Tribisky ranked as the top QB in the 2017 pre-draft rankings.
This over Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson. LMAO!!! Y'all keep drinking that tasty media Kool-Aid.
This over Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson. LMAO!!! Y'all keep drinking that tasty media Kool-Aid.
Two things. The law of averages. That eventually has to come into play. And Hannah has turned me into a glass half full fan. You say "why?" I say "why not?"
I wish I had your optimism!
Seriously, tho', I completely get the hype around Young. I wish we had a franchise that I believed could develop him. But this franchise will David Carr the kid. I know it in my soul.
Here's the rub from a recent scouting report:
The only major negative we can find to Young is his susceptibility to injury, and while playing behind an elite (for the most part) Tide offensive line he's been able to stay on the field - behind a subpar basement-dwelling pro line things could turn bad, quickly. This is a potentially serious issue - any team that drafts him will need to have the team to keep him upright.
The bolded is exactly my concerns. This franchise is not the one to act like they will surround him with what he needs to succeed.
I'll root for the kid if he's their pick. Once he's a Texan, then it's all aboard. So these are just thoughts pre-draft. My confidence in the Texans is at an all time low, so I'll be the first to admit that my perspectives are biased and extremely pessimistic.
You left out the rest of their comment
Despite this we still consider Bryce Young to be the best player in the class and easily worthy of the top pick in the 2023 NFL Draft.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Hey DB they have some good history too.Then quit whining about the Houston Texans if history means nothing.