Texansphan
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Interior is being pushed around.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
Not so much vs Chiefs.
Agreed. They’re not getting pushed around, but they’re not moving bodies either
& their 2nd level blocking is ineffective
badboy
Hall of Fame
Is picky picky
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I would like to see more from an Oline than what I'm seeing in ours - like a run game.
Perhaps that comes down to scheme.
Maybe they'll continue to improve as Green gets up to speed.
Perhaps that comes down to scheme.
Maybe they'll continue to improve as Green gets up to speed.
No OL is going to look good in the run game when that is the only threat you have
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Caserio needs to draft a center. It's as big of a hole on this team as all of the other holes. Find a great center and the ol will be much improved. They also need to find a guy that can play both center and og to challenge Cann and be a great depth piece.
Beerlover really wanted to draft Linderbaum and looking back on things Caerrio should have lost Petrie but traded back into the late 1st for Linderbaum.
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Linderbaum was rare talent .... once every 5 yrs .... maybe decade. There were some really talented linemen in that draft .... not including Mr. Green Jeans ! John Michael Schmitz may be the guy ! Andrew Vorhees is hanging in there as top right guard. And .... am I the only one that Heck looked good to on Sunday ? Steel, you were very high on the Arkansas center a month or two ago .... did you ever read/hear about their right guard .... benches 600 and squats 700 .... they won't let him attempt more than that ! But, he looks as lost as Green - once the ball is snapped !
Green was fine until he got hurt.
There are 4-5 centers I like and a couple of more guys that play OT that I think can not only be great OG's but play center at a high level as well. Mauck/Beebe. I absolutely love these guys and I'm looking forward to seeing them at the Sr. Bowl practices.
TexansFan15
All Pro
I agree that there are several C in this years draft that could be our guy. In no particular order I like Michael-Schmitz, Van Pran, Oluwatimi, and Stromberg. I think all have potential, so I’m very interested to see how they do at the EW Shrine, Senior Bowl, and the combine.
As far as guard, I like Torrence and Mauch, but I’m sure some other ones will be added to the list.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
Should have taken Linderbaum over Green.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
A fantastic description of the decision at hand, thank you. Agree 100000% with the commenter on this one. Look where Arizona is now compared to SF and the Jets who drafted Bosa/Williams and waited on the QB. Getting a mid-tier guy like Murray and paying him $240M for mid-level production is an albatross on your team. Caserio better get this decision right if he takes Young or it could be a killer for this franchise if he's 'mid'.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I’m not sure there is a sure fire day one starting Center in this draft. Long way from having Linderbaum sitting right there to help your QB. There might be another option however, 2nd rd. O’Cyrus Torrence. Only thing, he’s never played Center. Natural knee bender, elite traits and could kick inside if he does well testing. Reminds me of Landon Dickerson, who played some Center @ Alabama now starting LG for the Eagles. Regardless position, he would fortify the OL.
This conclusion made by the article is very faulty. The Jets nor 49ers needed a QB in that draft and despite their records have QB messes on their hands going forward.
Despite the on-field success of SanFran they had both spent heavily on a veteran free agent on Jimmy G the year before (2017) so they didn't "need" QB in the 2019 draft. In the end, the 40ers don't really trust Jimmy G, spending multiple 1st round picks trading up for a QB who has barely played for them. Bosa is a part of DL with two other 1st round picks so the 49ers have made a serious commitment to the front four and really the front seven on defense that has a large part in this run over how they have handled the QB position.
The Jets had just drafted Sam Darold in 2018. Again that team didn't "need" a QB in 2019. the Jets part ways with Darnold and drafted another in 2021 who was effectively benched for jouneyman Mike white. The QB mess has resulted in the Jets falling apart in the 2nd half of this year losing three straight games.
Murray while he probably should NOT have gotten the extension has at least led his team to a playoff game. Of course, this is exactly the kind of argument you make for a mid-level QB when tyring justify him going forward. Oh yeah, the Cardinals had just taken Josh Rosen in 2018 in the 1st round only hire a coach who wanted his guy in Murray. Rosen is one of the great 1st round bust barely even able to stay in the league despite being healty from all that I call tell.
At the end, of the day, all three of these teams have cycled through three starters this year and really don't know who will under center on Labor Day 2023. None are models for jow to handle QB.
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Here Are All The Quarterbacks Taken In This Year's NFL Draft
The 2019 NFL Draft has come and gone, and in total, 11 quarterbacks were drafted during the event. Let's take a look at which signal-callers heard their names
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QBs from 2019.
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I'm not a believer in picking a QB high just because you need a QB.
The 49ers did it the right way. Problem is they missed on Lance.
I'm hoping the Texans follow the 49ers model. They handled the QB position correctly. IMHO.
They traded for Jimmy G ran with him until they found out that he couldn't stay healthy. Although the one season he did stay healthy they almost won a SB.
After they found out Jimmy G couldn't stay healthy they spent draft capital to get Lance. A smart move IMHO, problem is Lance can't stay healthy either and there's a question of how good he really is.
If they had hit on Lance they would have been a dynasty. This is the model I hope Caserio is allowed to use.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
I think the verdict on Lance is far from unknown because of the injury. He wasn't expected to be a Year 1 starter and then he busted his ankle early in 2022. So this is unknown as of now... However, Stroud/Young in this draft are expected to be NFL ready so we should know more quickly how they stack up.
zshawn10
All Pro
Yea he's Albert Breer of SI; he always does columns like these every week and he's very plugged in to teams.
My problem here is not whom the Texans select, but who is making the selection. Is it the GM, a coach, the owner? Do any of them have the credentials to make the pick? I could get behind just about any strategy if I knew someone competent was making the decision. The Texans strategy seems to be the blind squirrel can find the nut.
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
This happens with every GM/HC change. No one knows who is in charge. Literally me watching it play out like I have seen this before.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
This makes me believe it will be a trade.
The Texans have always used corporate decision-making and I have no personal interest in trying to figure out who makes what pick or free-agent move. Since they don't want us to hold a single person accountable I hold them ALL responsible for this mess, even going back to Papa McNair.
And there are plenty of ways to build out a roster in the NFL, but I don't really know which one the Texans are using either.
Draft history and this draft board say less than a 10 percent chance of a trade out of the number 1 spot.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Recent history suggests trades are more possible than past history suggests.
Caserio shows a willingness to make trades.
When was the last time a team traded from the number 1 pick?
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New uniforms...
badboy
Hall of Fame
Exactly and Dickerson is who i have him compared to.
badboy
Hall of Fame
How if he doesn't know if a team will trade up? Huge reach..unless he has imput from other teams already.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Can't use that as a
line in the sand As teams may want or desperately need the player they took rather than accepting a trade. This was recently discussed elsewhere.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I know we discussed him right? Red flag medical but otherwise elite.
The problem is multi-fold.
1- the perceived value of the pick which inflates the cost of the first pick.
2- the value of the players involved several players closely ranked is not trade favorable
3- the need for the team holding the pick (2023 Texans need all three positions of the top players)
Never happens is too strong, but twice in twenty years is very different than how draftniks discuss trading down (see nearly 60% in the current poll). Yes, make the calls to other teams and even work on inflating players' value, but the biggest preparation has to be for the Texans to get ready to pick the best guy available. And that is way more boring than the fantasy trades.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Torrence would need some adjustment time at OC but his build and anchor + ferocious attitude interests me. DTs would have work cut out trying to move him.
I still think Skoronski who reportedly can play all positions at LG moving Green to RG would resolve all line issues. It is important to note that both tackles are up after 2023.
Torrence could fall to us at 32. Leaves us looking for a WR.
2016?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Who was the GM the times the Texans had the first pick? Who is the GM now?
TexansBull
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Didn’t know I would get pulled over message board police. I thought this is the place where we try to predict and speculate what will happen.
Number19
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Centers typically make the OL calls. This most likely would be a learning adjustment. May be difficult for a rookie to start having never made these calls before.
Are we even sure he will be the GM on January 10?
So these are the last two times a team trades out the number 1 overall Jeff Goff (2016) and Michael Vick (2002). Would you take either one for the Texans this draft? Describe your strategy for 2023 if you would take either one.
The trade: The Rams send their first-round pick (No. 15 overall), two second-round picks, a third-round pick, a first-round pick in 2017 and a third-round pick in 2017 to Tennessee for the Titans' first-round pick (No. 1 overall), a fourth-round pick and a sixth-round pick.
The trade: Atlanta sends wide receiver/returner Tim Dwight, its first-round pick (No. 5 overall), a third-round pick and a 2002 second-round pick to the Chargers for their first-round pick (No. 1 overall).
The trade: The Rams send their first-round pick (No. 15 overall), two second-round picks, a third-round pick, a first-round pick in 2017 and a third-round pick in 2017 to Tennessee for the Titans' first-round pick (No. 1 overall), a fourth-round pick and a sixth-round pick.
The trade: Atlanta sends wide receiver/returner Tim Dwight, its first-round pick (No. 5 overall), a third-round pick and a 2002 second-round pick to the Chargers for their first-round pick (No. 1 overall).
TexansBull
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Are we even sure this isn’t some sort of a simulation we are living in?
The fact that you keep answering questions with questions give credit to anything is possible and the past GM’s actions when having the first over all picks has little relevance.
I was messing with you on the last one. Should have put one of those silly things to let you know that.
I am more interested in would as the GM you take either one of the two number 1 overall trades in 2023
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Lol. That makes sense.
If I was GM and I would be trying to swap 1’s for this year, get an extra pick in the 2nd or 3rd this year, but definitely get an extra 1st next year.
@Lucky did a good post on the point values. It all depends on who we are trading with to get a good trade value.
It think the draft trades of the Jimmy Johnson days and even what the Goff and RG3 days are outdated GMs are putting more value on keeping picks than reading. But then again you have teams like the Rams who say eff them picks if they are a player away.
So you never know.
The one thing we do know the Texans are more than one player away and need the picks.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Apologize for offending you. I was hoping you would offer a little more If it was not just a hunch. It's well known I offer similar thoughts as yours so I was not attacking you. I can see how it seemed so. I also believed my 2nd part of the post about he may be in contact already for a trade (s) that fit in with your scenario. Again I am sorry.
TexansBull
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Apology not accepted. I want to pout, feel sorry for myself and scream at the heavens about the injustices the gods have brought upon myself.
Seriously though - no need to apologize.
All I have is speculation and hindsight to offer.
badboy
Hall of Fame
If only Cal McNair had that.. sigh. My speculation would be opposite of hindsight in me being optimistic that Cal will take a new approach to the Texas future. I am basing that primarily on his decision to move on from Jack Easterby.