Keep Texans Talk Google Ad Free!
Venmo Tip Jar | Paypal Tip Jar
Thanks for your support! 🍺😎👍

Which QB should the Texans consider signing/trading for?

thunderkyss said:
Pretty soon it’s going to. Not many pocket passers in the league, or coming into the league. TimesAchangin.

I hate it myself
Click to expand...
They will still have to be able to throw from the pocket to win championships.

BTW, people have been saying what you're saying since the Staubach, Tarkenton, Steve Young days. But on thing has remained a constant, regardless of whether a QB is a scrambler like say Mahomes, even he has to be able to deliver from the pocket to win. There's a big difference between a scrambling QB and a run 1st QB that leaves the pocket at 1st signs of trouble. Or does designed runs like Fields/LJ 10-15 times per game. Even with God'ells screwed up rules protecting the QB their still going to get hurt.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yet Brady/Stafford etc... keep on winning those darned old championships.

And the types of QB's winning championships remain the same. This is an uncomfortable truth for some.

I'm not saying a QB doesn't need to be mobile. But as much as some want run 1st QB's to win championships, that hasn't happened and wont be winning championships anytime soon.

I just dont get why some refuse to look at things and learn from history, instead of looking at things like hey, man things will eventually change. Change when and how long will it take for things to change the way some posters hope they will? I'm betting not in the next 5 yrs maybe 10.
Click to expand...
Missing the point like usual.
 
76Texan said:
What's exactly your point?

You don't want a short QB?

If so, how many short QBs have been rated a top 10 pick in the draft in the history of the NFL?
Click to expand...

None and there's a reason for that.

That's the point.

If you were Caserio would you want to risk your job on the chance of an outlier pick hitting? I wouldn't risk my job on those odds. Be honest, would you in whatever profession you're in be willing to take a risk like this against very long odds?
 
steelbtexan said:
None and there's a reason for that.

That's the point.

If you were Caserio would you want to risk your job on the chance of an outlier pick hitting? I wouldn't risk my job on those odds. Be honest, would you in whatever profession you're in be willing to take a risk like this against very long odds?
Click to expand...
But there is one now rated as a #1 talent. And that's the point. The question is, are the Texans willing to build the offense around him? Is Lovie willing to build this draft around him?
 
Number19 said:
But there is one now rated as a #1 talent. And that's the point. The question is, are the Texans willing to build the offense around him? Is Lovie willing to build this draft around him?
Click to expand...

I don’t think those are the right questions. The questions should be CAN the Texans build something around him and is Lovie still here beyond 2022? If the answer to the latter is yes, I doubt the former can be done.
 
Speedy said:
I don’t think those are the right questions. The questions should be CAN the Texans build something around him and is Lovie still here beyond 2022? If the answer to the latter is yes, I doubt the former can be done.
Click to expand...
There are many fantasy scenarios one can imagine or wish for. But Lovie is our HC and until he is actually fired, that's going to be my starting point.

My question revolves around the fact he is a defensive coach and our defense does suck. His inclination will be to address this, so can he be persuaded to prioritize the offense.

And yes, this draft is perfectly set up to "fix" our holes in the offense in one swoop: qb (1st), wr (1st), og (2nd), oc (3rd). And if the opportunity for some smart trading is there, we could likely manage a few bones for the defense. The third day could maybe provide a te and rb, as well as additional help for the defense.

The primary means of helping build up and improve the defense for next season would be through FA signings.

If, and a big if, the team were to go this direction, 2024 would be the opposite and would prioritize defense.

And just to clarify, when I say "build", I'm meaning put the players in place. There would still be the need for competent coaching.
 
Number19 said:
There are many fantasy scenarios one can imagine or wish for. But Lovie is our HC and until he is actually fired, that's going to be my starting point.

My question revolves around the fact he is a defensive coach and our defense does suck. His inclination will be to address this, so can he be persuaded to prioritize the offense.

And yes, this draft is perfectly set up to "fix" our holes in the offense in one swoop: qb (1st), wr (1st), og (2nd), oc (3rd). And if the opportunity for some smart trading is there, we could likely manage a few bones for the defense. The third day could maybe provide a te and rb, as well as additional help for the defense.

The primary means of helping build up and improve the defense for next season would be through FA signings.

If, and a big if, the team were to go this direction, 2024 would be the opposite and would prioritize defense.

And just to clarify, when I say "build", I'm meaning put the players in place. There would still be the need for competent coaching.
Click to expand...
I have TE as a higher priority. A TE that's a great blocker but has the speed to get down the seams is invaluable and opens up the rest of the offense.
 
steelbtexan said:
I have TE as a higher priority. A TE that's a great blocker but has the speed to get down the seams is invaluable and opens up the rest of the offense.
Click to expand...
I agree, but for that to realistically happen, we WOULD have to trade down with the Lions (they would select Anderson) and get their two, second round picks. Or trade down with the Bears (who are last in sacks) and get their second round pick. Would absolutely be delighted with this scenario.

Or, I guess, we could use our second, third round pick on a TE. But I agree, we need a TE. Perhaps a FA?
 
Obviously conventional thinking has not worked with the Texans when choosing a QB. I recommend thinking outside of the box. I say we draft somebody named Joe, Jim , John\Johnny or Tom in that order.

There have been 4 SB winning QBs named Joe.
Joe Flacco
Joe Montana
Joe Namath
Joe Theismann

That is double the next closest Jim.
Jim McMahon
Jim Plunkett

Followed by John\Johnny.
John Elway
Johnny Unitas

Of course we all know who the Tom is (Tom Brady) & it is a real long shot to find another one like him. So I say we go with Joe.
 
mws said:
Obviously conventional thinking has not worked with the Texans when choosing a QB. I recommend thinking outside of the box. I say we draft somebody named Joe, Jim , John\Johnny or Tom in that order.
Click to expand...
Usually, the Super Bowl winning QB has a first name that has not been duplicated. 25 times, in fact. So I would select a QB who has a first name that's never won a Super Bowl.
 
After sitting out 2 games….again, Mills returns and delivers all the throws with tight spirals and plenty of zip. Texans just made the same ol’ Texans mistake in trying to develop a young QB, toss them on the field and hope for the best. Worse yet, Mills is just now getting enough in game throws after HS to match what some NFL starters got in 3 seasons of CFB. Include the fact that those throws have come with a bad Stanford team and an even worse Texans team…..I’d say he has survived a long ride on pure ugly. I base that on the fact that when he’s had time to work, there’s glimpses of what he has the potential to do at this level.

So, I’d trade down…..fill more holes and hope that Mills continues his development. I’m still for signing a solid veteran QB to really help push Mills.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
After sitting out 2 games….again, Mills returns and delivers all the throws with tight spirals and plenty of zip. Texans just made the same ol’ Texans mistake in trying to develop a young QB, toss them on the field and hope for the best. Worse yet, Mills is just now getting enough in game throws after HS to match what some NFL starters got in 3 seasons of CFB. Include the fact that those throws have come with a bad Stanford team and an even worse Texans team…..I’d say he has survived a long ride on pure ugly. I base that on the fact that when he’s had time to work, there’s glimpses of what he has the potential to do at this level.

So, I’d trade down…..fill more holes and hope that Mills continues his development. I’m still for signing a solid veteran QB to really help push Mills.
Click to expand...
Man lol I’m not trading down just because Mills finally had one good game. Brother you’re stuck on this idea. What if things doesn’t pan out in 2024 draft? What will you do then?
 
Texansballer74 said:
Man lol I’m not trading down just because Mills finally had one good game. Brother you’re stuck on this idea. What if things doesn’t pan out in 2024 draft? What will you do then?
Click to expand...

If it happens as you say…..the Texans would be in the perfect position to draft Caleb Williams or Drake Maye. There is absolutely zero doubt in my mind that Williams and Maye are better “Franchise QB” options than the QB’s in the 2023 NFL Draft.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If it happens as you say…..the Texans would be in the perfect position to draft Caleb Williams or Drake Maye. There is absolutely zero doubt in my mind that Williams and Maye are better “Franchise QB” options than the QB’s in the 2023 NFL Draft.
Click to expand...
In another word, Mills is the perfect tanking strategy?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If it happens as you say…..the Texans would be in the perfect position to draft Caleb Williams or Drake Maye. There is absolutely zero doubt in my mind that Williams and Maye are better “Franchise QB” options than the QB’s in the 2023 NFL Draft.
Click to expand...
Probably so but Young and Strond will be franchise quarterbacks in this league too. All four of those guys will be pretty darn good.
 
Last edited:
76Texan said:
In another word, Mills is the perfect tanking strategy?
Click to expand...

No, in other words….you might watch what he’s done good to give you an idea what he might be capable of with better talent around him and more game time under his belt. It’s not like he’s taking a playoff caliber team out of contention due to his QB play. This team has been shite for 28+ games while he’s trying to navigate his development through poor coaching and a lack of talent around him. I have no idea what kind of perfection you were expecting from Mills since his arrival, but if those same expectations were put on every player in a Texans jersey……they should’ve included playoff tickets in everyone’s season ticket bundle.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
No, in other words….you might watch what he’s done good to give you an idea what he might be capable of with better talent around him and more game time under his belt. It’s not like he’s taking a playoff caliber team out of contention due to his QB play. This team has been shite for 28+ games while he’s trying to navigate his development through poor coaching and a lack of talent around him. I have no idea what kind of perfection you were expecting from Mills since his arrival, but if those same expectations were put on every player in a Texans jersey……they should’ve included playoff tickets in everyone’s season ticket bundle.
Click to expand...
I was only referring to the part where you said the Texans would be in the perfect situation to draft either Caleb Williams or Maye.

That can only happen if the Texans tank again.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
After sitting out 2 games….again, Mills returns and delivers all the throws with tight spirals and plenty of zip. Texans just made the same ol’ Texans mistake in trying to develop a young QB, toss them on the field and hope for the best. Worse yet, Mills is just now getting enough in game throws after HS to match what some NFL starters got in 3 seasons of CFB. Include the fact that those throws have come with a bad Stanford team and an even worse Texans team…..I’d say he has survived a long ride on pure ugly. I base that on the fact that when he’s had time to work, there’s glimpses of what he has the potential to do at this level.

So, I’d trade down…..fill more holes and hope that Mills continues his development. I’m still for signing a solid veteran QB to really help push Mills.
Click to expand...
when he has had time to work-- shouldn't we see more than "glimpses"?
 
While we are thinking about who will be our new QB how about a walk down memory lane.

Here is a list of every QB that I could think of (I might have missed a few) who has started at least 1 game for the Texans. Overall not real impressive.

A. J. McCarron
Brandon Weeden
Brian Hoyer
Brock Osweiler
Case Keenum
Dave Ragone
David Carr
Davis Mills
Deshaun Watson
Jeff Driskel (maybe listed as co-starter)
Kyle Allen
Matt Leinart
Matt Schaub
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Ryan Mallett
Sage Rosenfels
T. J. Yates
Tom Savage
Tony Banks
Tyrod Taylor
 
JB said:
Surprising that Dallas (who was leading the league with 48 sacks) got 0 today against the woeful Texans OL
Click to expand...
The Texans played their best football up until that last drive when it counted the most. And that’s on both sides. When they didn’t score a Touchdown after that turnovers by the Cowboys. I said watch these jokers find away to lose.
 
steelbtexan said:
They will still have to be able to throw from the pocket to win championships.

BTW, people have been saying what you're saying since the Staubach, Tarkenton, Steve Young days. But on thing has remained a constant, regardless of whether a QB is a scrambler like say Mahomes, even he has to be able to deliver from the pocket to win. There's a big difference between a scrambling QB and a run 1st QB that leaves the pocket at 1st signs of trouble. Or does designed runs like Fields/LJ 10-15 times per game. Even with God'ells screwed up rules protecting the QB their still going to get hurt.
Click to expand...
Do you realize that Caleb William's style of play is very similar to Watson's?

In the pros, Watson had cut down his running to 5-6 attempts a game, most of them not on designed runs.

Williams runs nearly 9 times a game in college
 
mws said:
While we are thinking about who will be our new QB how about a walk down memory lane.

Here is a list of every QB that I could think of (I might have missed a few) who has started at least 1 game for the Texans. Overall not real impressive.

A. J. McCarron
Brandon Weeden
Brian Hoyer
Brock Osweiler
Case Keenum
Dave Ragone
David Carr
Davis Mills
Deshaun Watson
Jeff Driskel (maybe listed as co-starter)
Kyle Allen
Matt Leinart
Matt Schaub
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Ryan Mallett
Sage Rosenfels
T. J. Yates
Tom Savage
Tony Banks
Tyrod Taylor
Click to expand...
NOOOO! Too late.. sigh..
Cannot unsee that.
I would eagerly take Stroud or Bryce Young over any of them.
 
steelbtexan said:
None and there's a reason for that.

That's the point.

If you were Caserio would you want to risk your job on the chance of an outlier pick hitting? I wouldn't risk my job on those odds. Be honest, would you in whatever profession you're in be willing to take a risk like this against very long odds?
Click to expand...
What odds?

There hasn't been a short QB 5'11 or shorter rated highly because they're not good, not because they're short.

I'm not saying I want Young, but the fact that he's rated highly is because he's better than any short QB that came before him.

I'm still digging, but so far I think he passed many tests.

He doesn't get many batted passes.
He seems to be able to maneuver around to find a passing lane.
He's a player.

For the next round, I will try to look as to whether he's able to throw muddy or how he might be able to get around those situations by moving around the pocket (like Brees).

I've been watching Caleb Williams' tape too, and I don't like what I saw in the two games against Utah.
Caleb is still a great prospect; I'm not sure I can say he's better than the prospects in this current class.

Lincoln Riley matters.
The guys around Caleb matter, too.

I'm watching Maye's tape at the moment.
I like him less at the moment with the current string of losses.
He's still young and though and I hope to see some growth next year.
But no, right now, he's not better than some of the prospects this year.
 
76Texan said:
What odds?

There hasn't been a short QB 5'11 or shorter rated highly because they're not good, not because they're short.

I'm not saying I want Young, but the fact that he's rated highly is because he's better than any short QB that came before him.

I'm still digging, but so far I think he passed many tests.

He doesn't get many batted passes.
He seems to be able to maneuver around to find a passing lane.
He's a player.

For the next round, I will try to look as to whether he's able to throw muddy or how he might be able to get around those situations by moving around the pocket (like Brees).

I've been watching Caleb Williams' tape too, and I don't like what I saw in the two games against Utah.
Caleb is still a great prospect; I'm not sure I can say he's better than the prospects in this current class.

Lincoln Riley matters.
The guys around Caleb matter, too.

I'm watching Maye's tape at the moment.
I like him less at the moment with the current string of losses.
He's still young and though and I hope to see some growth next year.
But no, right now, he's not better than some of the prospects this year.
Click to expand...

How many 5'10 QB's have won SB's? Wilson?

I guess what you're saying is that the sun could possibly come up in the West if I just go with the theory of just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it cant happen.
 
steelbtexan said:
How many 5'10 QB's have won SB's? Wilson?

I guess what you're saying is that the sun could possibly come up in the West if I just go with the theory of just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it cant happen.
Click to expand...
So there IS an example of a midgit QB winning the SB !

Doing a little digging, I find 247Sports listing Young's college size as 5'11" and 197 lbs. They also list his high school size as 5'11" and 183 lbs.

I also found Rivals listing his high school size as 6'0" and 180 lbs.

For comparison, Wilson weighed in at the combine as 5'10 5/8" and 204 lbs.

So, looking forward to the combine.
 
steelbtexan said:
How many 5'10 QB's have won SB's? Wilson?

I guess what you're saying is that the sun could possibly come up in the West if I just go with the theory of just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it cant happen.
Click to expand...
You missed the point.

There hasn't been a QB 5'11 or under that had won a SB because they were not good enough.
(And the rules in the old days of treating QBs like RBs didn't help them).
 
steelbtexan said:
How many 5'10 QB's have won SB's? Wilson?

I guess what you're saying is that the sun could possibly come up in the West if I just go with the theory of just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it cant happen.
Click to expand...
I do understand that there's a certain draw back with an undersized QB, but I don't think we should automatically rule out a prospect simply because of his size, knowing that the rules are helping them more than ever before.
 
steelbtexan said:
How many 5'10 QB's have won SB's? Wilson?

I guess what you're saying is that the sun could possibly come up in the West if I just go with the theory of just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it cant happen.
Click to expand...
Speaking of your concern, Caleb Williams has been running around more than Brice Young.

Does the fact that he's a little taller and bigger helps him to avoid injury?
Just watch the last game against Utah.
 
Texansballer74 said:
The Texans played their best football up until that last drive when it counted the most. And that’s on both sides. When they didn’t score a Touchdown after that turnovers by the Cowboys. I said watch these jokers find away to lose.
Click to expand...

Lovie should’ve at least tried a S blitz. Prescott showed he was capable of bad throws with enough pressure being put on. Little too much prevent on the last series.

Pep just screwed the pooch by trying to ram Burkhead's old washed up arse up the middle twice for nothing but a wasted effort.
 
Last edited:
Lucky said:
Nathan Rourke, starting QB for the British Columbia Lions of the CFL is making the rounds interviewing with NFL teams. Has met with the Raiders and Broncos. The native Canadian is 24 and in his 2nd year in the CFL. A 3 year starter at Ohio University from 2017-19, Rourke is 6'1 215 lbs and an excellent athlete. Threw for over 3300 yards, 25 TDs passing and 7 rushing in 9 starts this season before a foot injury ended his season.

Young, experienced pro QB. Wouldn't cost a draft pick or a big investment. Could be a bridge for a future QB. Rourke runs 50 yards for a score at 1:30 in the video below.

Click to expand...

Kid has real talent. Oddly, I’ve watched like 5 games of his this year and he’s really talented.
The guy from Winnipeg is also pretty damn good too.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top