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2023 College transfer portal and draft declarations

Former Boston College QB Phil Jurkovec has committed to Pitt, per
@PeteThamel

Florida QB Anthony Richardson has declared for the 2023 NFL Draft, he announced

Virginia CB Fentrell Cypress II has entered the transfer portal, per
@ESPNRittenberg
Cypress allowed zero TDs in coverage this past season

N.C. State Quarterback Devin Leary is expected to enter the transfer portal, per
@PeteThamel
 
Washington QB Michael Penix Jr. announced that he's staying in school and won't declare for the NFL Draft

Alabama G Javion Cohen has announced that he is entering the transfer portal Zero sacks allowed in his college career

Florida G O'Cyrus Torrence has declared for the 2023 NFL Draft, he announced PFF's highest graded Guard this season

Clemson QB D.J. Uiagalelei is entering the transfer portal, per
@247Sports

Oregon CB Christian Gonzalez has declared for the 2023 NFL Draft, he announced Currently 32nd on PFF's big board
 
I think Richardson is getting some poor advice here. He has immense talent, but he’s just not there yet, IMO. I think he can get there, but I think he’d make a lot more money coming out in 2024 with another year of coaching and experience.

I’m not drafting him at 1.1, but he’s got enough talent that I wouldn’t be too upset at picking him in the back half of the first, or, even better, with that first pick of the second. I’d definitely be nervous, and I wouldn’t want him starting in that first season, but the man can throw and run the ball as well or better than any QB available in this draft.

I definitely like him better than Levis, for whatever that’s worth.
 
rmartin65 said:
’m not drafting him at 1.1, but he’s got enough talent that I wouldn’t be too upset at picking him in the back half of the first, or, even better, with that first pick of the second.
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He can always be used in a Taysom Hill role while he's developing. But even 2nd round seems high for a guy who may never be more than a gadget player. The first thing question I'd want to answer is why Richardson is so far behind other QBs his age.
Texian said:
West Virginia QB JT Daniels has entered the transfer portal, per
@PeteThamel
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In other news, Nickelodeon in conjuncture with ESPN is introducing a new series, "Where in the World is JT Daniels?"
 
rmartin65 said:
I think Richardson is getting some poor advice here. He has immense talent, but he’s just not there yet, IMO. I think he can get there, but I think he’d make a lot more money coming out in 2024 with another year of coaching and experience.

I’m not drafting him at 1.1, but he’s got enough talent that I wouldn’t be too upset at picking him in the back half of the first, or, even better, with that first pick of the second. I’d definitely be nervous, and I wouldn’t want him starting in that first season, but the man can throw and run the ball as well or better than any QB available in this draft.

I definitely like him better than Levis, for whatever that’s worth.
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IMO I think most of the hype for Richardson comes from his legs. He has only started 13 games and his passing grade isn't even so so. His completion % is 54% which is subpar for a college QB ( should be well over 60%), and his TD-to INT ratio is less than 2 to 1 (24 to 15), which should be over 3 to 1. He is a project, to say the least. The fact that he's coming out now makes me question his smarts. Right now I am of the mind that the Texans should put 1.1 out for bid. The highest bidder wins. If there are no bidders Will Anderson or Jalen Carter would probably be my pick.
 
Lucky said:
He can always be used in a Taysom Hill role while he's developing. But even 2nd round seems high for a guy who may never be more than a gadget player. The first thing question I'd want to answer is why Richardson is so far behind other QBs his age.
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Ah, that's right, I meant to respond to your Richardson-Hill comp- honestly, I've never thought about it, but I could see it. I don't know if I'd do that off the get-go (I'd want him focused on QB), but should QB not pan out, I think he could fit as a Hill type of player. I agree that this outcome wouldn't be a great result for a (high) second round pick, but it is at least an option.

I'd want Richardson to pretty much sit for that first season. Maybe gradually introduce him for a series or two with a package he feels comfortable with, and slowly bring him along. I'd also be open to putting him in on goal-line/short yardage situations for the QB dive option, but that is just me.

As for the bold- me too. I know development isn't linear, and everyone develops at their own pace, but, man, he just seems behind some of the other guys in terms of consistency, composure, and defense recognition.

Texian said:
IMO I think most of the hype for Richardson comes from his legs. He has only started 13 games and his passing grade isn't even so so. His completion % is 54% which is subpar for a college QB ( should be well over 60%), and his TD-to INT ratio is less than 2 to 1 (24 to 15), which should be over 3 to 1. He is a project, to say the least. The fact that he's coming out now makes me question his smarts. Right now I am of the mind that the Texans should put 1.1 out for bid. The highest bidder wins. If there are no bidders Will Anderson or Jalen Carter would probably be my pick.
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Nah. The legs are definitely a boost, but the big draw for me is the arm talent- from what I've see, it is the best in the draft. He needs a lot of refinement, but the tools are all there- and it really isn't just projection, because there are instances where you can see everything click. He has shown he can put it all together, he just needs to be a lot more consistent about it. But, that's the scary thing, right? Consistency doesn't always improve, composure under pressure doesn't always improve. He's definitely a project, and anyone who tells you otherwise is blowing smoke, but projects can (and do) pan out. It just means there is a greater risk involved- which is why I don't want to use 1-1 or anything to draft Richardson, but I would be pretty intrigued by him in the second (or even late first, depending on how the board is shaping up).

As for the accuracy- unless you are watching each game and tracking the throws, I don't put to much stock into it. Josh Allen was under 60% in college (though still superior to Richardson) despite not playing in a Power 5 conference, and he's turned out alright.

In any case, all this Richardson in the late first/early second talk is moot- I'd be shocked if he didn't go in the top half of the first round. The tools are that good, and some team is going to take that gamble.
 
rmartin65 said:
Ah, that's right, I meant to respond to your Richardson-Hill comp- honestly, I've never thought about it, but I could see it. I don't know if I'd do that off the get-go (I'd want him focused on QB), but should QB not pan out, I think he could fit as a Hill type of player. I agree that this outcome wouldn't be a great result for a (high) second round pick, but it is at least an option.

I'd want Richardson to pretty much sit for that first season. Maybe gradually introduce him for a series or two with a package he feels comfortable with, and slowly bring him along. I'd also be open to putting him in on goal-line/short yardage situations for the QB dive option, but that is just me.

As for the bold- me too. I know development isn't linear, and everyone develops at their own pace, but, man, he just seems behind some of the other guys in terms of consistency, composure, and defense recognition.



Nah. The legs are definitely a boost, but the big draw for me is the arm talent- from what I've see, it is the best in the draft. He needs a lot of refinement, but the tools are all there- and it really isn't just projection, because there are instances where you can see everything click. He has shown he can put it all together, he just needs to be a lot more consistent about it. But, that's the scary thing, right? Consistency doesn't always improve, composure under pressure doesn't always improve. He's definitely a project, and anyone who tells you otherwise is blowing smoke, but projects can (and do) pan out. It just means there is a greater risk involved- which is why I don't want to use 1-1 or anything to draft Richardson, but I would be pretty intrigued by him in the second (or even late first, depending on how the board is shaping up).

As for the accuracy- unless you are watching each game and tracking the throws, I don't put to much stock into it. Josh Allen was under 60% in college (though still superior to Richardson) despite not playing in a Power 5 conference, and he's turned out alright.

In any case, all this Richardson in the late first/early second talk is moot- I'd be shocked if he didn't go in the top half of the first round. The tools are that good, and some team is going to take that gamble.
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Anthony Richardson reminds me of Jerry Jones drafting Quincy Carter.
 
rmartin65 said:
I don’t get this comparison. At all.
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I understand, I didn't expect you to. I can see how you feel about Anthony Richardson, it compares to how Jerry felt about Quincy and is much like the way I feel about Caleb Williams. I just see a lot of similarities between Quincy and Richardson.
 
rmartin65 said:
Would you mind explaining the similarities? Like I said, I don't see them.
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Nothing I can say will change your mind, I can see you are locked in on your guy and you have every right to, just like I can see similarities. A lot has to do with how we remember Quincy Carter over 20 years ago. Anyway, here you go;

Quincy Carter
HeightWeightArm lengthHand span40-yard dash10-yard split20-yard split20-yard shuttleThree-cone drillVertical jumpBroad jumpWonderlic
6 ft 2+1⁄8 in
(1.88 m)		225 lb
(102 kg)		32+1⁄2 in
(0.83 m)		9 in
(0.23 m)		4.58 s1.61 s2.63 s4.12 s7.12 s35.5 in
(0.90 m)		9 ft 5 in
(2.87 m)		30[8]
199921638056.82,7131761052552.45


Anthony Richardson, 6'4", 231 lb - 4.5ish

202212126–617632753.82,5497.8179131.11036546.39
 
Texian said:
Nothing I can say will change your mind, I can see you are locked in on your guy and you have every right to, just like I can see similarities. A lot has to do with how we remember Quincy Carter over 20 years ago. Anyway, here you go;

Quincy Carter
HeightWeightArm lengthHand span40-yard dash10-yard split20-yard split20-yard shuttleThree-cone drillVertical jumpBroad jumpWonderlic
6 ft 2+1⁄8 in
(1.88 m)		225 lb
(102 kg)		32+1⁄2 in
(0.83 m)		9 in
(0.23 m)		4.58 s1.61 s2.63 s4.12 s7.12 s35.5 in
(0.90 m)		9 ft 5 in
(2.87 m)		30[8]
199921638056.82,7131761052552.45

Anthony Richardson, 6'4", 231 lb - 4.5ish

202212126–617632753.82,5497.8179131.11036546.39
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I am in no way "locked in" on Richardson- he's my QB3 in this draft, behind Stroud and Young. He's an option for me in the late first or early second, but by no means am I writing him into my mock draft at the moment. I'm probably still leaning towards picking Stroud at 1-1, so I wouldn't be picking Richardson later.

You are not providing any actual details to support your Richardson/Carter comparison. Why are you comparing Carter's 1999 stats (he was in the 2001 draft) to Richardson's 2022 stats? Carter left school after a season where he completed less than 50% of his passes and threw only 6 TDs to 10 picks. He was also nowhere near as valuable on the ground as Richardson was. Carter was also several years older than Richardson, as Carter spent a couple years playing baseball.

What I really want is for you to tell me how Carter's on-the-field play compares to Richardson's. Can you tell me about their throwing mechanics, their ability to read defenses, the offenses they were playing in, their ability under pressure, etc? Because right now, all I see that makes them look similar is that they are roughly the same size and played in the SEC. I bet I can find a bunch of guys over the last 20 years who fit that bill.
 
rmartin65 said:
I am in no way "locked in" on Richardson- he's my QB3 in this draft, behind Stroud and Young. He's an option for me in the late first or early second, but by no means am I writing him into my mock draft at the moment. I'm probably still leaning towards picking Stroud at 1-1, so I wouldn't be picking Richardson later.

You are not providing any actual details to support your Richardson/Carter comparison. Why are you comparing Carter's 1999 stats (he was in the 2001 draft) to Richardson's 2022 stats? Carter left school after a season where he completed less than 50% of his passes and threw only 6 TDs to 10 picks. He was also nowhere near as valuable on the ground as Richardson was. Carter was also several years older than Richardson, as Carter spent a couple years playing baseball.

What I really want is for you to tell me how Carter's on-the-field play compares to Richardson's. Can you tell me about their throwing mechanics, their ability to read defenses, the offenses they were playing in, their ability under pressure, etc? Because right now, all I see that makes them look similar is that they are roughly the same size and played in the SEC. I bet I can find a bunch of guys over the last 20 years who fit that bill.
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Nothing I can say or do is going to change your mind so there is really no reason. You can go and check out Carter's highlights on youtube if you want. I do understand your thought process though. That's why I wanted the Texans to draft Matt Corral with their 3rd RD pick last year. There is probably a couple of QBs I could get behind drafting in the 3rd RD in this upcoming draft. We also disagree on 1.1. I'm of the opinion there could be a desperate team who would be willing to turn loose of 3 1st RD picks if they're GTD to get Stroud, Strong, or Levis. For me, that would be a no-brainer.
 
I'm not suggesting that Anthony Richardson has been as good as either of these guys in college. But I kind of see his NFL potential at QB as being either Vince Young or Lamar Jackson. Young never was able to develop as an NFL passer. Neither his vision nor his throwing mechanics. Jackson has been able to make strides as the Ravens continued to work with him while tailoring their offense to his skillset. NFL teams can dream on Jackson when drafting Richardson. But Young may be the best they can get.
 
Texian said:
Nothing I can say or do is going to change your mind so there is really no reason. You can go and check out Carter's highlights on youtube if you want. I do understand your thought process though. That's why I wanted the Texans to draft Matt Corral with their 3rd RD pick last year. There is probably a couple of QBs I could get behind drafting in the 3rd RD in this upcoming draft. We also disagree on 1.1. I'm of the opinion there could be a desperate team who would be willing to turn loose of 3 1st RD picks if they're GTD to get Stroud, Strong, or Levis. For me, that would be a no-brainer.
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I would absolutely change my mind if someone presents a logical case for the comparison; people who refuse to change their minds are people who are too weak to accept that they don't know everything. If I have a chance to learn something, I take it. So, please- give me a chance to learn here. I'm not going to do your work for you, though, mostly because- from the Carter highlights that I have seen- I don't think your comparison makes sense. It looks flimsy, superficial, and not rooted in any actual analysis.

I am definitely not interested in getting a 3rd round QB, though. The Texans need a "franchise" (I use that term loosely here- for me, that is a QB good enough to win with) QB, and your best chance of getting those guys is early. Richardson is an intriguing option because he shows the upside to be that type of QB, but may (though, again, probably won't) be available at the end of the first or top of the second. This is possible because he does carry significantly more risk than guys like Stroud and Young. The guy whose hype I just don't get is Levis, but that is another story. Anyway, whether it is in 2023 or in 2024, I want the Texans to pick their future QB, and it will likely need to be done at the expense of a first round pick.
 
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rmartin65 said:
Once again, nothing but basic stats. No analysis. No explanation of his on-the-field play. And no explanation of the Quincy Carter comparison.
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I really don't need you to explain that to me every time I post. I know what I post. I've said all I have to say about AR. I'm done. I get it, you love the guy, but I don't. Leave it at that.
 
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I really don't need you to explain that to me every time I post. I know what I post. I've said all I have to say about AR. I'm done. I get it, you love the guy, but I don't. Leave it at that.
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Yeah, I definitely don't love Richardson. He's an option. Not the best QB in the draft, not the worst QB in the draft, but definitely worth a look. You keep on with the strawman, though, it certainly helps your argument.

I'm not even trying to convince you that Richardson is a good player; all I want is for you to explain the Carter/Richardson comparison based on their play. Not their size, not their completion percentages, but their actual on-the-field play. I just don't see it, and I want to know what I am missing.
 
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Lucky said:
I'm not suggesting that Anthony Richardson has been as good as either of these guys in college. But I kind of see his NFL potential at QB as being either Vince Young or Lamar Jackson. Young never was able to develop as an NFL passer. Neither his vision nor his throwing mechanics. Jackson has been able to make strides as the Ravens continued to work with him while tailoring their offense to his skillset. NFL teams can dream on Jackson when drafting Richardson. But Young may be the best they can get.
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Except noth were prolific in college. Richardson is basically Paxton Lynch. I think he's a 5th rd player, should've stayed in school.
 
Texian said:
Nothing I can say will change your mind, I can see you are locked in on your guy and you have every right to, just like I can see similarities. A lot has to do with how we remember Quincy Carter over 20 years ago. Anyway, here you go;

Quincy Carter
HeightWeightArm lengthHand span40-yard dash10-yard split20-yard split20-yard shuttleThree-cone drillVertical jumpBroad jumpWonderlic
6 ft 2+1⁄8 in
(1.88 m)		225 lb
(102 kg)		32+1⁄2 in
(0.83 m)		9 in
(0.23 m)		4.58 s1.61 s2.63 s4.12 s7.12 s35.5 in
(0.90 m)		9 ft 5 in
(2.87 m)		30[8]
199921638056.82,7131761052552.45

Anthony Richardson, 6'4", 231 lb - 4.5ish

202212126–617632753.82,5497.8179131.11036546.39
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Quincy had a 5 on the Wunderlich? LMAO

A 9 means you're illiterare.

Quincy also had a substance abuse problem in addition to being dumb as a box of rocks. His play was selfish just like Towel Boy's and it showed upon the field.
 
rmartin65 said:
Yeah, I definitely don't love Richardson. He's an option. Not the best QB in the draft, not the worst QB in the draft, but definitely worth a look. You keep on with the strawman, though, it certainly helps your argument.

I'm not even trying to convince you that Richardson is a good player; all I want is for you to explain the Carter/Richardson comparison based on their play. Not their size, not their completion percentages, but their actual on-the-field play. I just don't see it, and I want to know what I am missing.
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9 to 5 cant make a living.
 
WR Cedric Tillman set to leave Tennessee, enter NFL draft
Two-time All-ACC WR Josh Downs leaving North Carolina for NFL
Notre Dame DE Isaiah Foskey to enter NFL draft, skip bowl
Kentucky RB Chris Rodriguez to skip bowl, prepare for NFL draft
Notre Dame TE Michael Mayer declaring for NFL draft, skipping bowl
Texas A&M RB Devon Achane says he'll enter 2023 NFL draft
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That’s too bad for Carter. I understand the service school commitment, but part of the deal in the service (at least in every unit I was a part of) was that you follow the orders of the people above you, and the people above you do their best to do right by you as long as the mission gets done. I don’t see how allowing a handful of kids to delay their service commitment for 3-15 years would negatively impact any mission.
 
rmartin65 said:
That’s too bad for Carter. I understand the service school commitment, but part of the deal in the service (at least in every unit I was a part of) was that you follow the orders of the people above you, and the people above you do their best to do right by you as long as the mission gets done. I don’t see how allowing a handful of kids to delay their service commitment for 3-15 years would negatively impact any mission.
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These athletes create positive publicity for the military institutions. Whoever came up with this amendment certainly didn't contact these schools.
 
Lucky said:
These athletes create positive publicity for the military institutions. Whoever came up with this amendment certainly didn't contact these schools.
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It's actually a part of a bill revoking the bill Trump passed in 2019 that allowed them to play immediately
 
Kent State QB Collin Schlee tweets he's transferring to UCLA
Source: Texas A&M QB Hynes King transferring to Georgia Tech
Jackson State CB Travis Hunter enters transfer portal, source says
 
JB said:
OT Peter Skoronski, projected top-10 pick, opts for NFL draft

Bill might nix NFL draft for Army 1st-round hopeful Andre Carter II
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NFL draft path cleared for Andre Carter II due to bill provision
After an outcry over the future of star Army linebacker Andre Carter II, politicians scrambled to alter the language of a recently passed congressional bill that clears his path to the upcoming NFL draft.
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JB said:
NFL draft path cleared for Andre Carter II due to bill provision

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I'm not a fan of letting them out of their service commitment to play professional sports. I haven't read the article so I hope there is some balance in future options related to these scenarios.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
I'm not a fan of letting them out of their service commitment to play professional sports. I haven't read the article so I hope there is some balance in future options related to these scenarios.
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It's a deferral of their service commitment not an opt out
 
UNC QB Drake Maye: Transfer talk, $5M NIL deals all 'rumors'
"Those rumors weren't really reality," he told ESPN. He added: "Pitt's coach ended up putting that out there. I don't know what that was about. You have to enter the transfer portal to talk to these schools and hear these offers. For me, I think college football is going to turn into a mess. They're going to have to do something. There was nothing to me or my family directly offered from any of these other schools. Nothing was said or offered to the Mayes."
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