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TheRealJoker said:
Pete Carroll and John Schneider are doing a heck of a job in Seattle. No rebuild needed and they got the draft capital to further strengthen their team to keep the window open.

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Friday Round-Up: “Pete Carroll Is the Coach Of The Year In The NFL Through Eight Weeks”

Good morning, 12s. Here's a look at what's out there today — Friday, November 4 — about your Seattle Seahawks.
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Seahawks Deserve Major Praise For 2022 NFL Draft Class

No one really expected the Seattle Seahawks to be contenders or big winners this season after trading away quarterback Russell Wilson ...
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Notice how they didn't draft a QB just because the media/fans wanted them too?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
On film, Josh Allen's throwing elbow was torqued backward while he was attempting to throw. The mechanism is very concerning of a torn ulnar collateral of the elbow. Throwing a football is entirely different than pitching a baseball, so, while baseball pitchers with an UCL tear may notice a decrease in their speed and accuracy, football quarterbacks may not have any problems. But the injury should still be rested and rehabbed. He did manage to throw an incomplete long pass following that play, but that isolated play does not rule out future problems. Swelling will not have been at its max until 48 hours.
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What makes me more concerned is the fact that he suffered a similar ulnar collateral elbow partial tear in 2018 and missed 4 games. Whenever that ligament is torn, it will always be looser when it heals than pre-injury. This recent re-injury can only loosen it even more. If he tries to play without it being completely rehabbed, he stands a significant chance of extending the tear to the point of possibly requiring Tommy John surgery (a complete tear)............an uncommon outcome/surgery for a quarterback.
 
Seattle did not draft a quarterback in 2022 as there was not a good one to be had. Many have voiced opinions that they will draft a quarterback in 2023 possibly even trading up into the top five to get one. One Seattle fan said he could see a two-year $30 million contract for Geno Smith and still drafting a quarterback among the top three.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Pete Carroll and John Schneider are doing a heck of a job in Seattle. No rebuild needed and they got the draft capital to further strengthen their team to keep the window open.

www.seahawks.com

Friday Round-Up: “Pete Carroll Is the Coach Of The Year In The NFL Through Eight Weeks”

Good morning, 12s. Here's a look at what's out there today — Friday, November 4 — about your Seattle Seahawks.
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Seahawks Deserve Major Praise For 2022 NFL Draft Class

No one really expected the Seattle Seahawks to be contenders or big winners this season after trading away quarterback Russell Wilson ...
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Look no further than the qb play. Geno playng exceptionally well. Even the games they've lost, it wasn't because of the offense or qb play, it was because the defense is still leaky. Geno has exceeded Wilson performance last year. Qbs make a difference.
 
leebigeztx said:
Look no further than the qb play. Geno playng exceptionally well. Even the games they've lost, it wasn't because of the offense or qb play, it was because the defense is still leaky. Geno has exceeded Wilson performance last year. Qbs make a difference.
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32 year old Geno Smith finally hits his NFL stride in 10th season. Right system for Geno. Carroll and Waldron have gotten the best out of GS.
 
leebigeztx said:
Because they have a qb playing at an all pro level. If Geno was playing like Davis Mills, that team would have 2 wins vs 5. Their qb play is the reason they're having sucess, plain and simple. The games they've lost wasn't because Geno played bad, it was the defense gave up the ship.
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Or they added talent and didn't force a QB pick.

Carroll didn't know what he had in Geno. In fact Geno's been bad over his career and Carroll still didn't force the pick.
 
leebigeztx said:
Look no further than the qb play. Geno playng exceptionally well. Even the games they've lost, it wasn't because of the offense or qb play, it was because the defense is still leaky. Geno has exceeded Wilson performance last year. Qbs make a difference.
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IMHO you are wrong.

The right coaches working with the right player makes the difference. Doesn’t matter if it is QB or LB.

In this case it was QB. The coaches employed the right system for the QB to succeed. Geno bounced from Jets to NYG to now with Seattle to have success after what 10 years?

Same is the case with Fields recent success in Chicago. The coaches started working towards his strengths.

With rookie QBs the need to be in the right situation for their success is exponentially greater.
 
leebigeztx said:
Look no further than the qb play. Geno playng exceptionally well. Even the games they've lost, it wasn't because of the offense or qb play, it was because the defense is still leaky. Geno has exceeded Wilson performance last year. Qbs make a difference.
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Very impressive. Starting to look like a similar career arc to Rich Gannon.

Kudos to the Seahawks coaches for developing him. And extra big kudos to Geno Smith for not resigning himself to a backup QB career but actively improving as a player over the years so he can show that potential when given the opportunity!
 
leebigeztx said:
Because they have a qb playing at an all pro level.
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Russ right? Nobody knew Geno was coming out when they were drafting.
leebigeztx said:
If Geno was playing like Davis Mills, that team would have 2 wins vs 5.
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If Davis was playing as well as Geno, how many rushing yards would the Texans have given up?

I don’t disagree that QB is/has been an issue. But is it a Davey Jones issue or a Sam Darnold issue. That’s the question.

Jets & Giants are winning & it’s not because they’re QBs are playing great.
 
steelbtexan said:
Or they added talent and didn't force a QB pick.

Carroll didn't know what he had in Geno. In fact Geno's been bad over his career and Carroll still didn't force the pick.
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Geno was the 32nd or 33rd pick to the Jets. He didn't play well and got his jaw broken. Went to the Giants in the midst of that downfall and wasn't even given a chance. Played the backup role for a few spots, sat behind Russ, played a little last year. The difference in the Seahawks last year and this year is Geno is getting is playing better this year than what Russ did last year. They added Fant in a trade and drafted the rookie rb, but they still had DK and Locket along with the much traveled Goodwin. They didn't force the pick because they had Geno and brought in Locke. Geno earned his job by outbattling Lock whereas the Texans provided no competition for Mills. When Carrol says its an open competition at every spot, he means it. The Texans say it,but don't mean it.
 
D.C. Attorney General takes aim at NFL and Commanders for covering up Beth Wilkinson investigation
Posted by Mike Florio on November 10, 2022, 1:29 PM EST


District of Columbia Attorney General Karl Racine isn’t simply targeting the Commanders. He’s targeting the NFL and Commissioner Roger Goodell, too.

Racine announced on Thursday that his office will file a civil lawsuit against the Commanders, owner Daniel Snyder, the NFL, and Goodell. The lawsuit, arising from Racine’s jurisdiction over matters of consumer protection, will allege that the defendants “collud[ed] to deceive residents of the District of Columbia” about the investigation conducted by the NFL.

“The defendants lies about what they knew, and then the defendants lied about what they were going to do about it,” Racine said.

Racine contends that the NFL hid the truth in order to protect the image of the team, and to maximize profits. Racine said the NFL “effectively buried” the findings.

The victims, per Racine, are the citizens of the District of Columbia, based on the lies they’ve been told.

“They have a right to know the truth about the companies they support,” Racine said.

The NFL and the Commanders undoubtedly will fight this lawsuit. While it’s unclear whether it has any merit, one thing should be obvious. The NFL won’t be able to utilize Page One of its litigation playbook — attempt to force the case into the league’s secret, rigged kangaroo court of arbitration.

This means that, unless the NFL can find a way to get the case dismissed before the discovery process begins, people like Snyder and Goodell will be grilled under oath, in sworn depositions.

“The depositions are likely to occur not on a yacht, but in a conference room in the District of Columbia,” Racine said. “Because no one is above the law.”
 
thunderkyss said:
Russ right? Nobody knew Geno was coming out when they were drafting.

If Davis was playing as well as Geno, how many rushing yards would the Texans have given up?

I don’t disagree that QB is/has been an issue. But is it a Davey Jones issue or a Sam Darnold issue. That’s the question.

Jets & Giants are winning & it’s not because they’re QBs are playing great.
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The Texans have gone to the playoffs with Hoyer and Osweiler at QB. You can have a team put it together one year and have the ball bounce their way for the most part, but if you want to be consistent, you need a QB.
 
"One hour at a time"..............idiotic!!!!!!!!!!!

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Bills taking it “one hour at a time” with Josh Allen
Posted by Josh Alper on November 11, 2022, 10:32 AM EST

The Bills have been taking things day by day with quarterback Josh Allen’s elbow injury this week and head coach Sean McDermott said they’re going to go even more granular on Friday.

Allen has not practiced this week, but McDermott did not rule him out for Sunday’s game against the Vikings during a Friday morning appearance on WGR 550. He said that the team’s waiting to see what happens at practice later in the day and that they’ll shift to an hour by hour analysis of his condition.

“Today we’re going to literally take it one hour at a time and see how things go through the course of today and then go from there,” McDermott said, via Matt Parrino of Syracuse.com.

Case Keenum will start against the Vikings if Allen is ultimately ruled out. While the team waits to make that call, McDermott did say that safety Jordan Poyer (elbow) and defensive end Greg Rousseau (ankle) have been ruled out for this weekend.
 
JB said:
TJ Watt says he will play week 10 with no pitch count. Too soon?
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I posted this right after the injury occurred............he will now be 9 weeks this Sunday. I would still place him on a pitch count first game back.

CloakNNNdagger said:
Recent report appears that TJ Watt did not have a partial tear of his pectoralis tendon as initially reported. He suffered a partial tear of the pectoralis muscle. This means no surgery, since you can't repair muscle. Depending on how his rehab goes, it is possible that he could return to play in 6-8 weeks. Staying smart, I would not have him return before 8 weeks to minimize retear and a much longer rehab.
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NFL answers NFLPA, insisting injury rates are same on synthetic surfaces vs. grass
Posted by Charean Williams on November 12, 2022, 6:52 PM EST


The NFL released a statement Saturday after an NFL Players Association PR campaign against artificial turf surfaces, specifically the “slit-film surfaces” that seven teams play their home games on.

“As the NFLPA knows from the meeting of our Joint Field Surface Safety & Performance Committee earlier this month, there was no difference between the number of injuries on synthetic surfaces versus grass,” Jeff Miller, the NFL’s executive vice president of communications, public affairs and policy, said in a statement. “While slit-film surfaces, one type of synthetic material, have 2-3 more injuries per year, most of them are ankle sprains — a low-burden injury — whereas slit film also sees a lower rate of fewer high-burden ACL injuries compared to other synthetic fields. As a result, the league and NFLPA’s joint experts did not recommend any changes to surfaces at the meeting but agreed more study is needed.”

The NFL and NFLPA contract a third-party company called IQVIA to compile and analyze data on every injury during every season. Their joint Surfaces Committee uses the data to compare injuries in each of the league’s 30 stadiums.
The committee presented findings to owners during last month’s meeting in New York.

It focused on non-contact injuries, which as recently as 2019, were notably higher on artificial turf fields. The difference between the surfaces began narrowing in 2020, and last season, the numbers were nearly identical.
The incident rate for artificial turf in 2021 was.042 per 100 and .041 per 100 for grass surfaces.

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, whose team plays on turf, dismissed players’ concerns, citing the committee’s findings.

The NFLPA responded, accusing the “NFL PR machine [of going] into overdrive to spin a more favorable narrative to what the union and players know is a problem.”

NFLPA president JC Tretter, on the NFLPA’s website, requested: (1) the immediate replacement and ban of all slit-film turf; (2) no longer allowing games to be played on fields with “clear visual abnormalities”; (3) the raising of the field standards and testing the safety and performance of all surfaces; (4) the clearing the excess people and dangerous equipment from the sidelines.

The Giants, Jets, Lions, Vikings, Saints, Colts and Bengals play on slit-film turf. The NFLPA claims those surfaces have “higher in-game injury rates” compared to all other surfaces for non-contact injuries, missed time injuries, lower extremity injuries and foot/ankle injuries.

NFL players made a united, organized effort to win the PR campaign with a move to force the league to play all its games entirely on grass.

“We know the data,” Cowboys tight end Dalton Schultz tweeted. “Our union and the league agree that we should eliminate slit-film turf. The NFL isn’t willing to mandate this change, so we as players are going to keep talking about this issue until it changes.”
 
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Baffled???


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49ers' Kyle Shanahan baffled by Dre Greenlaw ejection: 'Blew my mind'
9:09 PM CT
Nick WagonerESPN Staff Writer

SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- San Francisco 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan understood why linebacker Dre Greenlaw drew a penalty for unnecessary roughness following a helmet-to-helmet hit on Los Angeles Chargers quarterback Justin Herbert late in the first half of Sunday night's game.

But even after his team emerged with a 22-16 victory to improve to 5-4, Shanahan said he didn't think Greenlaw should have been ejected and was still befuddled as to why that decision was made.

"It kind of actually blew my mind," Shanahan said. "I understand the penalty. I totally get that right at the third down marker, he was lowering his shoulder, but I have got to learn what that is. I get how it is with penalties and stuff because I think he did hit his helmet ... but I thought there had to be intent and something unnecessary, and that was a big play right there. For us to lose Greenlaw for the whole game off that, that really shocked me. So, hopefully they can teach us that so we can understand why we lost one of our players."

Greenlaw's ejection came with about 30 seconds left in the first half after the hit on Herbert. On third-and-6 at San Francisco's 40, Herbert scrambled up the middle to evade pressure. As the quarterback attempted to dive, Niners safety Jimmie Ward hit him from behind, jolting him forward into Greenlaw, who was closing in from Herbert's right.

Greenlaw's helmet collided with Herbert's as Herbert went down at the Niners' 35. Officials immediately threw a flag for the hit, but they spent some time deliberating before opting to enforce the penalty and eject Greenlaw.
According to Walt Anderson, the NFL's senior vice president of officiating, while the penalty is called on the field, the ejection decision comes from the officiating offices in New York. When Greenlaw lowered his head and made forcible contact, it was then up to the officials in New York to determine if the action was flagrant.

Anderson said that "the timing, the manner in which the player had an opportunity to make other choices and to make a different decision" all factor into deciding whether something is flagrant.
Anderson said that from the officials' view, the initial hit from Ward had made Herbert a "downed runner."

"He was down," Anderson said. "Whenever [Greenlaw] lowered his head and made forcible contact, the runner was already down on the ground. His knee was already down, and he was tackled."

After the hit, Herbert went to the sideline and entered the blue tent to be evaluated for a concussion as backup Chase Daniel handled the final three offensive snaps of the half for the Chargers (5-4).
Herbert cleared the concussion protocol at halftime and returned to the game. He finished 21-of-35 passing for 196 yards and a touchdown with an interception, and he had five carries for 22 yards.
 
I believe Josh McDaniels is tossing the Raiders season in the hopes he is position to draft Bryce Young. Young makes sense b/c he understands McDaniels offense. Caserio could play hardball with the Raiders if their hearts are set on Young and the Texans are still in front of him. I'd swap places for DE, Maxx Crosby.....would McDaniels have enough pull to make it happen?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I believe Josh McDaniels is tossing the Raiders season in the hopes he is position to draft Bryce Young. Young makes sense b/c he understands McDaniels offense. Caserio could play hardball with the Raiders if their hearts are set on Young and the Texans are still in front of him. I'd swap places for DE, Maxx Crosby.....would McDaniels have enough pull to make it happen?
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Why would the Texans pass on Young for a DE though? I could see it if the Texas fell in love with a different QB that they thought they could land at the Raiders spot.

While McDaniels could be playing the long game, he is also being hamstrung by the God awful drafts that happened before he got the job. I think most of the first rounders have been cut at this point. Big dearth of talent.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Why would the Texans pass on Young for a DE though? I could see it if the Texas fell in love with a different QB that they thought they could land at the Raiders spot.

While McDaniels could be playing the long game, he is also being hamstrung by the God awful drafts that happened before he got the job. I think most of the first rounders have been cut at this point. Big dearth of talent.
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In my book….Young nor Stroud are what the Texans need at this point. Neither QB would change their fortunes in 2023.
 
The1ApplePie said:
While McDaniels could be playing the long game, he is also being hamstrung by the God awful drafts that happened before he got the job. I think most of the first rounders have been cut at this point. Big dearth of talent.
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Sounds familiar. Replace McDaniels with Caserio and what do you get?
 
Are the refs/reviewers making a lot of $$$$$ for someone?..................

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Bills defense had 12 men on the field for OT stop on Dalvin Cook
Posted by Josh Alper on November 14, 2022, 2:21 PM EST


The Bills defense came up with a big stop of Vikings running back Dalvin Cook on a first-and-goal from the 2-yard-line in overtime of Sunday’s game and they did it with a little extra assistance.

Vikings head coach Kevin O’Connell said on Sunday that he thought Buffalo’s defense had 12 men on the field when they dumped Cook for a three-yard loss, but wanted to confirm it on tape. The tape showed that O’Connell was correct.

“I know it’s moving pretty fast out there sometimes,” O’Connell said, via Kevin Seifert of ESPN.com.

Instead of having first-and-goal on the 1-yard-line, the Vikings played on from the 5-yard-line. Kirk Cousins was sacked and threw an incompletion before the Vikings kicked a go-ahead field goal. The Bills drove into scoring position, but cornerback Patrick Peterson sealed the win with an interception in the end zone.

Sunday’s officiating crew had two big mistakes late in the game. In addition to missing the 12 men, they called a pass to Bills wide receiver Gabe Davis in the final minute of regulation a completion when he did not control the ball through contact with the ground. The replay assistant did not stop the game to review the play, which NFL senior vice president of officiating Walt Anderson said they should have done.

Coaches can challenge missed 12 men on the field calls outside of the final two minutes of games or in overtime. All replays are initiated from the booth in those instances. Patriots head coach Bill Belichick said Monday that he thinks coaches should always be able to challenge calls and situations like the ones in Buffalo on Sunday will likely draw others to that view.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
In my book….Young nor Stroud are what the Texans need at this point. Neither QB would change their fortunes in 2023.
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Texans FO should be looking beyond one season. We can already assume that the 2023 season is going to suck. At least developing a young QB talent gives us something for a potential positive future. Because Davis Mills and/or whatever other QB reject they find on the open market is never going to be a successful future.
 
Double Barrel said:
Texans FO should be looking beyond one season. We can already assume that the 2023 season is going to suck. At least developing a young QB talent gives us something for a potential positive future. Because Davis Mills and/or whatever other QB reject they find on the open market is never going to be a successful future.
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Agreed. I just don’t see Lovie lasting past 2023. I just hate the idea of hiring a coach to “fix” the QB the previous coach drafted. Then you’re giving him a pass the first couple of years until he gets his QB & it’s 2026 before we can start our rebuild that we should have started in 2022
 
Double Barrel said:
Texans FO should be looking beyond one season. We can already assume that the 2023 season is going to suck. At least developing a young QB talent gives us something for a potential positive future. Because Davis Mills and/or whatever other QB reject they find on the open market is never going to be a successful future.
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I don’t have confidence in our current coaching regime to develop a rookie QB. Better to wait for them to be let go and let the new regime pick and develop rookie QB. Would be an enticement for potential HCs.

That would be looking beyond one season.
 
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Double Barrel said:
Texans FO should be looking beyond one season. We can already assume that the 2023 season is going to suck. At least developing a young QB talent gives us something for a potential positive future. Because Davis Mills and/or whatever other QB reject they find on the open market is never going to be a successful future.
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Unless he were to get Carr'd that first couple years
 
TexansBull said:
I don’t have confidence in our current coaching regime to develop a rookie QB. Better to wait for them to be let go and let the new regime pick and develop rookie QB. Would be an enticement for potential HCs.

That would be looking beyond one season.
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Pep has a track record of developing good young quarterbacks. He’s help develop Luck and Herbert. Right now Mills doesn’t possess the same talent as those guys.
 
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