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Head Coach Candidate (Lovie Smith Hired) 2/7/22

Thorn said:
I'd like to know who the new QB is going to throw to. :lol:
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Honestly I don’t feel like our WR corps has been that bad especially if Collins can continue playing as well as pre injury and if Brandin Cooks actually decides to give a crap out there (unlikely). Like we’re missing that true number 1 but it’s not a room full of bums
 
Doc108 said:
That’s what I thought but the general consensus around the league seems to be us taking a QB this year in which case I don’t really know what the plan is. To me that would be a desperate move that shows we are just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Now maybe the national media is wrong and we take the smart approach but I’m curious what you would think if we did draft a QB this year
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IIRC, at this point last year general consensus had Texans selecting a QB in round 1. Then later in the year consensus had the Texans taking Thibodeaux in round 1. Why do you care what the national consensus or talking heads think anyway?
 
Doc108 said:
Honestly I don’t feel like our WR corps has been that bad especially if Collins can continue playing as well as pre injury and if Brandin Cooks actually decides to give a crap out there (unlikely). Like we’re missing that true number 1 but it’s not a room full of bums
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Lots of ifs there. IF Collins comes back and plays well, IF Cook decides to give a sh!t, IF Metchie comes back and does well, IF the injury bug doesn't hit too hard, IF Lovie lets the offense open up, and then they have to find a true #1
 
JB said:
Lots of ifs there. IF Collins comes back and plays well, IF Cook decides to give a sh!t, IF Metchie comes back and does well, IF the injury bug doesn't hit too hard, IF Lovie lets the offense open up, and then they have to find a true #1
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Well I didn’t mention Metchie or the injury bug or Lovie so idk where that’s coming from. But Collins was already playing well so I don’t think that’s a huge if. But that’s really the only “if” that my statement depends on. I think the WR corps even without Cooks is not awful. It’s not good but it’s not “you can’t even evaluate a QB with this” bad.
 
JB said:
IIRC, at this point last year general consensus had Texans selecting a QB in round 1. Then later in the year consensus had the Texans taking Thibodeaux in round 1. Why do you care what the national consensus or talking heads think anyway?
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I’ll have to see if I can find mid season mocks from last year that’s interesting. But either way I don’t care what the media thinks I care what will actually happen.
 
Doc108 said:
Well I didn’t mention Metchie or the injury bug or Lovie so idk where that’s coming from. But Collins was already playing well so I don’t think that’s a huge if. But that’s really the only “if” that my statement depends on. I think the WR corps even without Cooks is not awful. It’s not good but it’s not “you can’t even evaluate a QB with this” bad.
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Yeah I was extrapolating. I feel that to have a good WR corps, Metchie will need to come in and succeed and have we really seen enough of Collins to call him a good #2? Lovie won't let the offense open up so how much are you going to see anyway?
 
Doc108 said:
Sure but optics matter especially for us right now. We still have the problem of being a fairly undesirable job and 3 coaching fires within 3 years and a racial scandal just adds to it. Put ourselves between a rock and a hard place and I think the only way out of it is to suffer Lovie another year.
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I really don't care about the optics at this point. Find the new head coach, and let him build his staff the way he wants. Don't handcuff him with a DC or OC that he doesn't want.
 
vtech9 said:
I really don't care about the optics at this point. Find the new head coach, and let him build his staff the way he wants. Don't handcuff him with a DC or OC that he doesn't want.
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Yes, but not in the middle of this year. Wait until after 2023 so you aren't setting him up for failure
 
vtech9 said:
I really don't care about the optics at this point. Find the new head coach, and let him build his staff the way he wants. Don't handcuff him with a DC or OC that he doesn't want.
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I don’t either but the McNairs might. We’ll see but if I had to bet I’d say we roll with Lovie another year /:
 
vtech9 said:
I hate this PC BS. We should hire the person we think is best for the job. Skin color should have absolutely nothing to do with it. If the guy we have isn't getting it done, we need to cut bait, and get someone that can get it done. Carolina and Indy are already cutting bait. We need to do the same.
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It's the world we live in today.

It's also why I dont watch as much NFL football as I used too.
 
vtech9 said:
I really don't care about the optics at this point. Find the new head coach, and let him build his staff the way he wants. Don't handcuff him with a DC or OC that he doesn't want.
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Agree. Cal McNair can have the head coach he wants signed and ready to begin the day after the regular season ends. A good football coach will know which direction and what players he wants to go for in the draft and if any in free agency.
 
Thorn said:
What we're doing here is watching a clueless owner mismanage an NFL franchise. Only with extraordinary luck will the Texans ever amount to anything, but if we are lucky, it will have to start with Caserio being the right guy because Lovie isn't the future. Lovie is a placeholder.

If Caserio isn't the right guy for the job, then we are just out of luck in the NFL. Which, historically, is where we've always been since the 60s.
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yep. My concern is that Lovie the placeholder gets a say in the players being drafted. I'm not convinced that he's a such a great talent evaluator that his choices will leave this team in a better place when he's eventually gone.

Obviously, all the money is on Caserio being the man, because otherwise, like you said, if he's not then this city will go a long time before we see another competitive football team.

We will know in the coming years. They've got the most draft picks of any team in 2023, so we should see a team that's starting to turn the corner in the 2023 season. If not, and they stay a crappy football team like they are now, then there is something fundamentally broken with this front office.
 
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Double Barrel said:
yep. My concern is that Lovie the placeholder gets a say in the players being drafted. I'm not convinced that he's a such a great talent evaluator that his choices will leave this team in a better place when he's eventually gone.

Obviously, all the money is on Caserio being the man, because otherwise, like you said, if he's not then this city will go a long time before we see another competitive football team.

We will know in the coming years. They've got the most draft picks of any team in 2023, so we should see a team that's starting to turn the corner in the 2023 season. If not, and they stay a crappy football team like they are now, then there is something fundamentally broken with this front office.
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My worry is Cal gets a say in the players and wants a shiny new QB and doesn't give a damn what the GM says.
 
Xopher said:
My worry is Cal gets a say in the players and wants a shiny new QB and doesn't give a damn what the GM says.
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This is the nightmare scenario for sure.

Cal definitely gets a say in players in the end he’s the boss. The question is will he use his say. If he’s learned anything from these disastrous past few years than he’ll stay away from that.

But if we do draft a QB we’ll probably never know if it was because the FO wanted him or if Cal stepped in.

I mean I’m sure Texian will give his best guess and play it off as fact but we’ll never actually know.
 
JB said:
and have we really seen enough of Collins to call him a good #2?
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Dude averages 50.8 yards per game, 45 players average more (37 WRs), 3.0 catches per game, 89 players average more (56 WRs), and he has 18 catches this season. 121 players have more (70 WRs). That's barely decent for a #3, never mind #2.
 
Speedy said:
Dude averages 50.8 yards per game, 45 players average more (37 WRs), 3.0 catches per game, 89 players average more (56 WRs), and he has 18 catches this season. 121 players have more (70 WRs). That's barely decent for a #3, never mind #2.
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Considering what Caserio and Pep gave up to move up to draft him makes it even more depressing. He was a JAG at Michigan, he's a JAG in Houston.
 
Speedy said:
Dude averages 50.8 yards per game, 45 players average more (37 WRs), 3.0 catches per game, 89 players average more (56 WRs), and he has 18 catches this season. 121 players have more (70 WRs). That's barely decent for a #3, never mind #2.
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What are you talking about?

The top 5 passing offenses in the NFL had their second leader in receiving averaging about 60 yards per game. Comes out to about 1,050 yards in a 17 game season. Those guys are in good offenses with some of the best QB's in the game throwing to them. Taking out the game where Nico got injured and came out early he's averaging about 54 yards per game aka about 950 yards in a season. That's with one of the worst offenses in the NFL and a bad QB throwing to him. That's quality second receiver numbers. To give you an idea compare that to good but not great passing offenses last year (in this case the Patriots and Vikings) they had number 2 receivers averaging 47 and 55 yards per game respectively.
 
Texian said:
Considering what Caserio and Pep gave up to move up to draft him makes it even more depressing. He was a JAG at Michigan, he's a JAG in Houston.
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He started to catch as many balls as Cooks before he got hurt.

Injuries are what's derailing him from becoming a solid WR2. If they add a Johnston to go with Collins and Metchie, that's 3 pretty good young WR's.
 
steelbtexan said:
He started to catch as many balls as Cooks before he got hurt.

Injuries are what's derailing him from becoming a solid WR2. If they add a Johnston to go with Collins and Metchie, that's 3 pretty good young WR's.
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My dream right now would be if we got the first pick trading back with the Lions, taking the best defensive player available with their pick and then taking Johnston with the Browns pick if possible
 
Doc108 said:
What are you talking about?

The top 5 passing offenses in the NFL had their second leader in receiving averaging about 60 yards per game. Comes out to about 1,050 yards in a 17 game season. Those guys are in good offenses with some of the best QB's in the game throwing to them. Taking out the game where Nico got injured and came out early he's averaging about 54 yards per game aka about 950 yards in a season. That's with one of the worst offenses in the NFL and a bad QB throwing to him. That's quality second receiver numbers. To give you an idea compare that to good but not great passing offenses last year (in this case the Patriots and Vikings) they had number 2 receivers averaging 47 and 55 yards per game respectively.
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Thanks for showing how the numbers Speedy showed us were skewed.
 
TexansBull said:
What are we doing?

Competing for one of the top picks of the draft for the next two years. We accumulate talented players through the draft and let time fix our salary cap issues. Draft a QB in 2024. That year with a rookie QB we start turning things around.

Sucks but it takes time.
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I'd still trade for Nick Foles, but in all honesty....the Colts dump his salary and Caserio could pick him up as an UFA. Just let Foles compete for the starting job next season. If Foles wins....great for Mills to learn from. If Mills wins.....great sideline tutor and backup QB for Mills to lean on.

Texans could focus the draft on filling other holes and still be in a position to draft a new and shiny QB in 2024. All 3 compete in 2024 and the competition establishes the pecking order.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I'd still trade for Nick Foles, but in all honesty....the Colts dump his salary and Caserio could pick him up as an UFA. Just let Foles compete for the starting job next season. If Foles wins....great for Mills to learn from. If Mills wins.....great sideline tutor and backup QB for Mills to lean on.

Texans could focus the draft on filling other holes and still be in a position to draft a new and shiny QB in 2024. All 3 compete in 2024 and the competition establishes the pecking order.
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I would bring in QB competition if they don’t draft one for next year. Foles or Minshew or someone else.
 
Thorn said:
What we're doing here is watching a clueless owner mismanage an NFL franchise. Only with extraordinary luck will the Texans ever amount to anything, but if we are lucky, it will have to start with Caserio being the right guy because Lovie isn't the future. Lovie is a placeholder.

If Caserio isn't the right guy for the job, then we are just out of luck in the NFL. Which, historically, is where we've always been since the 60s.
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Yeah he mismanaged it once he gave McNair all that extra power. Bill was in the right place and right time to pull this off. Cal and momma McNair were in a very dark place. I’m pretty sure we’ve all been there before. Losing a love one always hurts and a lot of time it’s hard to think clearly. This man let this dude come between him and his kids god father. Not only that, the man wife was dealing with cancer too.
Hopefully the cloudy smoke has cleared up. And they can move forward.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I'd still trade for Nick Foles, but in all honesty....the Colts dump his salary and Caserio could pick him up as an UFA. Just let Foles compete for the starting job next season. If Foles wins....great for Mills to learn from. If Mills wins.....great sideline tutor and backup QB for Mills to lean on.

Texans could focus the draft on filling other holes and still be in a position to draft a new and shiny QB in 2024. All 3 compete in 2024 and the competition establishes the pecking order.
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I'm concerned that if we fill holes this off season we will not be drafting high enough in 2024 to get a Prime quarterback. Trading up only works if you have a partner even if we offer two round ones.
 
Thorn said:
What we're doing here is watching a clueless owner mismanage an NFL franchise. Only with extraordinary luck will the Texans ever amount to anything, but if we are lucky, it will have to start with Caserio being the right guy because Lovie isn't the future. Lovie is a placeholder.

If Caserio isn't the right guy for the job, then we are just out of luck in the NFL. Which, historically, is where we've always been since the 60s.
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My guy Gene Autry!
 
badboy said:
I'm concerned that if we fill holes this off season we will not be drafting high enough in 2024 to get a Prime quarterback. Trading up only works if you have a partner even if we offer two round ones.
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We’ve seen plenty of top QB’s go in the 5-15 range. That’s about 6-7 wins and I don’t really see much reason to think we’d exceed that next year. But I get your concern
 
TexansBull said:
Are we bad fans for accepting the tanking?
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Nah, we're just looking long term. :texflag:

Think of it as a nose job. Right now we are in the middle of that surgery, and it's going to look bruised and swollen and be a bit painful for a while, but ultimately (and hopefully), we'll have a shiny new nose to show off.

We just gotta' hope Caserio is one helluva' plastic surgeon! lol 😷
 
TexansBull said:
Are we bad fans for accepting the tanking?
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Not necessarily accepting it, it’s just you can’t do anything about it.

When the Astros tanked, I don’t think anybody accepted it, but what could you do? Not go to games? Not buy their gear? Well, we’re already doing that with the Texans.

At least with the Astros you could see they had a plan in place. Whether it would work or not, who knew? You can even see a plan with the Rockets. I’m not really sure what the Texans plan is or if they even have one. This will be the 3rd year in a row of 4 wins or less, and they aren’t too much better off than when they started. Granted, last year was basically clean up mode so how much more do we actually have to go to start seeing some daylight? Don’t think anybody has an answer to that, but let me know when SI has the Texans on their cover declaring them 2028 Super Bowl champs.
 
Speedy said:
Not necessarily accepting it, it’s just you can’t do anything about it.

When the Astros tanked, I don’t think anybody accepted it, but what could you do? Not go to games? Not buy their gear? Well, we’re already doing that with the Texans.

At least with the Astros you could see they had a plan in place. Whether it would work or not, who knew? You can even see a plan with the Rockets. I’m not really sure what the Texans plan is or if they even have one. This will be the 3rd year in a row of 4 wins or less, and they aren’t too much better off than when they started. Granted, last year was basically clean up mode so how much more do we actually have to go to start seeing some daylight? Don’t think anybody has an answer to that, but let me know when SI has the Texans on their cover declaring them 2028 Super Bowl champs.
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Kinda felt like they had a plan until the shutshow that was the 2022 coaching search. I'll feel better if we're able to get rid of Lovie and do an actual coaching search where we hire a qualified exciting candidate. Until then it just seems like we're drifting and collecting draft picks because I don't really believe anyone thinks Lovie Smith is actually the future HC of the franchise.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Yeah he mismanaged it once he gave McNair all that extra power. Bill was in the right place and right time to pull this off. Cal and momma McNair were in a very dark place. I’m pretty sure we’ve all been there before. Losing a love one always hurts and a lot of time it’s hard to think clearly. This man let this dude come between him and his kids god father. Not only that, the man wife was dealing with cancer too.
Hopefully the cloudy smoke has cleared up. And they can move forward.
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RS/BOB should've both been fired at the same time. Just as Kubiak/RS should've been fired at the same time.

The McNair's greatest fault other than caring about money over the product they put on the field is, that they never fully clean house when they fire and hire new employees. This has really set the franchise back.
 
badboy said:
I'm concerned that if we fill holes this off season we will not be drafting high enough in 2024 to get a Prime quarterback. Trading up only works if you have a partner even if we offer two round ones.
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This is why you keep Lovie around another yr.
 
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steelbtexan said:
RS/BOB should've both been fired at the same time. Just as Kubiak/RS should've been fired at the same time.

The McNair's greatest fault other than caring about money over the product they put on the field is, that they never fully clean house when they fire and hire new employees. This has really set the franchise back.
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No, if they had done the correct thing and fired RS instead of Kubiak, OB never would have come around to destroy the franchise
 
Doc108 said:
Worst thing we could do this offseason is keep the current coaching staff and draft a QB in the first. You can do one or the other but can’t do both
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It's the Texans... their likely to do both and then fire Lovie when the team fails again
 
JB said:
It's the Texans... their likely to do both and then fire Lovie when the team fails again
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Well the only thing worse than drafting a QB and keeping Lovie for 1 year would be drafting a QB and keeping Lovie for 2 years lol. So at least they’d be doing something right in your case
 
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