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Steel B's Mock 1.0

True, which is why I dont want them to pick a QB in this draft.

Young has impressed me the most. What do you think the chances of him staying healthy are? What do you think the chances of him becoming Brees/Tarkenton and not Flutie or Murray?

I could see not drafting your franchise QB now, mainly because Head Coaching turnover and lacking strong supporting cast around him to increase his odds of success. It’s impossible for me to project a fit that would bring stability to this Texan situation. Like you’ve intimidated, don’t want to ruin the prospect or waste the pick.
 
I could see not drafting your franchise QB now, mainly because Head Coaching turnover and lacking strong supporting cast around him to increase his odds of success. It’s impossible for me to project a fit that would bring stability to this Texan situation. Like you’ve intimidated, don’t want to ruin the prospect or waste the pick.
A start at stability would be to fortify the OL/DL. I'm so tired of bad ol play I'm beginning to think Caserio should hire Munchak as HC. At least that would surely get fixed.
 
When watching College Football it’s important to evaluate on difficulty of opponent. This is especially true of QB position. That’s why big stats really don’t tell the whole story, need to dig deeper when traits and tendencies fully tested only then can you measure with some pertinent data points.
I don't think that matters. If that were the case, all the best qbs would be from the SEC. You look at traits and alot of that is projections. Brady played at Michigan, the Big 10 wasn't a powerhouse, neither was the Pac10 with Rodgers. Wyoming and Texas Tech? I think when you're looking at qbs, you have to do so with an open mind and know what you're looking at.
 
I don't think that matters. If that were the case, all the best qbs would be from the SEC. You look at traits and alot of that is projections. Brady played at Michigan, the Big 10 wasn't a powerhouse, neither was the Pac10 with Rodgers. Wyoming and Texas Tech? I think when you're looking at qbs, you have to do so with an open mind and know what you're looking at.
It matters. It's not the end all be all but another piece of the puzzle
 
I don't think that matters. If that were the case, all the best qbs would be from the SEC. You look at traits and alot of that is projections. Brady played at Michigan, the Big 10 wasn't a powerhouse, neither was the Pac10 with Rodgers. Wyoming and Texas Tech? I think when you're looking at qbs, you have to do so with an open mind and know what you're looking at.
I tend to agree - if a guy can pass well, you have raw material to mold - case in point, Bailey Zappe. You just need some good coaches and team around them.
 
I don't think that matters. If that were the case, all the best qbs would be from the SEC. You look at traits and alot of that is projections. Brady played at Michigan, the Big 10 wasn't a powerhouse, neither was the Pac10 with Rodgers. Wyoming and Texas Tech? I think when you're looking at qbs, you have to do so with an open mind and know what you're looking at.

Whatever the conference, preferable he dominates or exhibits traits and tendencies that meet your metrics. All I’m saying focus on the big games, matchups that give you better evaluations. Just one random example, from independent power school would be Notre Dame, traditionally a good test for a defensive or offensive prospect to measure up performance/stats.
 
Whatever the conference, preferable he dominates or exhibits traits and tendencies that meet your metrics. All I’m saying focus on the big games, matchups that give you better evaluations. Just one random example, from independent power school would be Notre Dame, traditionally a good test for a defensive or offensive prospect to measure up performance/stats.
ND seem to always be at a speed disadvantage. They look like a Big 10 school when it come to prospects. When was the last high end skill player to come from ND?
 
It's all Mills fault.
Hindsight is 20/20, but I think one of Caserio's biggest mistakes was not drafting a proper WR1 prospect with one of those 2 first round picks. Someone like Olave or Garrett who could play to Mills strengths in the vertical passing game and stretch the field and make plays. Instead, he chose Metchie. who even without the unfortunate blood disorder, would still have been coming off a torn ACL and probably wouldn't have been effective this season. What a blunder... Never gave this offense or Mills a chance.

Oh well. Hope he fixes it this draft before we go through the same ordeal with new QB in 2023.
 
Hindsight is 20/20, but I think one of Caserio's biggest mistakes was not drafting a proper WR1 prospect with one of those 2 first round picks. Someone like Olave or Garrett who could play to Mills strengths in the vertical passing game and stretch the field and make plays. Instead, he chose Metchie. who even without the unfortunate blood disorder, would still have been coming off a torn ACL and probably wouldn't have been effective this season. What a blunder... Never gave this offense or Mills a chance.

Oh well. Hope he fixes it this draft before we go through the same ordeal with new QB in 2023.

Give me a DT/WR/Edge with the 1st 3 picks. We aren't allowed to discuss players anymore.
 
Give me a DT/WR/Edge with the 1st 3 picks. We aren't allowed to discuss players anymore.
I agree. I might also look into an early Day 2 quarterback, with LT starter potential, to drive competition for Mills, so we don't leave the position uncovered. All I can say for absolute certainty is that if a lottery QB is taken with this roster and with PH as OC, it will be set up for failure just like Mills has been set up for failure. Doesn't excuse his poor play at times and obvious need to improve, but this offense talent/depth/scheme is a dumpster fire.

All this assumes there isn't a generational talent(s) at the top which then you have to go ahead and take probably. That guy will still suck next year under these conditions, but perhaps a better roster turnover can happen before the 2023 season takes place.

Anyway, getting OT. Go Texans! 🤣
 
Meyer maybe on a lot of teams radar? Not pimping golden domer, but their program, usually well coached with 4 & 5 star recruits. Don’t lose the point, match-up stacking prospects against one another. Could easily go with SEC school that feast on one another.
 
Meyer maybe on a lot of teams radar? Not pimping golden domer, but their program, usually well coached with 4 & 5 star recruits. Don’t lose the point, match-up stacking prospects against one another. Could easily go with SEC school that feast on one another.

I would love for Caserio to go on another SEC feast. Carter/Washington/Mingo/Achane with Verse from the ACC would make for an awesome rds 1-3. Speed/SpeedSpeed.

This is entirely doable.

Rd.1 Carter
Rd.1 Washington
Rd.2 Verse
Rd.3 Achane
Rd.3 Mingo
Rd.3 after trading up Stromberg or Schmitz

Speed and toughness added on the OL/DL.
 
I would love for Caserio to go on another SEC feast. Carter/Washington/Mingo/Achane with Verse from the ACC would make for an awesome rds 1-3. Speed/SpeedSpeed.

This is entirely doable.

Rd.1 Carter
Rd.1 Washington
Rd.2 Verse
Rd.3 Achane
Rd.3 Mingo
Rd.3 after trading up Stromberg or Schmitz

Speed and toughness added on the OL/DL.
I'm still trying to see what you see in Carter. He has no pass rush moves nor is he a good pass rusher.
 
I'm still trying to see what you see in Carter. He has no pass rush moves nor is he a good pass rusher.
Go back and look at his tape from last year.

Also look at the difference in the Georgia defense with him and without him this yr.
 
Go back and look at his tape from last year.

Also look at the difference in the Georgia defense with him and without him this yr.
Go watch the Oregon tape, 1st game of the season. I don't care about last year, that's a non factor. Tell me about this year. Even Anderson is struggling some, but you can still see his amazing attributes.
 
Go watch the Oregon tape, 1st game of the season. I don't care about last year, that's a non factor. Tell me about this year. Even Anderson is struggling some, but you can still see his amazing attributes.

You dont care about last yr, I do.

Do you think with younger/lesser talent around him that his role might have changed? I take every thing into account and last game against the Gators I thought he played pretty well in his 1st game back from injury.
 
You dont care about last yr, I do.

Do you think with younger/lesser talent around him that his role might have changed? I take every thing into account and last game against the Gators I thought he played pretty well in his 1st game back from injury.

Is that him getting his helmet knocked off or is that another player? 🤣 🤣 Just playing, I like Carter, even though he did get his block knocked off. I just don't think he generational as you like to say
 
You dont care about last yr, I do.

Do you think with younger/lesser talent around him that his role might have changed? I take every thing into account and last game against the Gators I thought he played pretty well in his 1st game back from injury.
That's Georgia, they always got studs. So what happens when he's playing with nobodies on the texans defensive front. Again, If I'm taking a defender that high, its an edge freak like Murphy to play opposite of Greenard.
 

Is that him getting his helmet knocked off or is that another player? 🤣 🤣 Just playing, I like Carter, even though he did get his block knocked off. I just don't think he generational as you like to say

I dont necessarily think he will be a generational IDL. A multiple time pro bowler. Fletcher Cox type career.
 
I dont necessarily think he will be a generational IDL. A multiple time pro bowler. Fletcher Cox type career.
Why would you draft a non generational idt top 5? Cox was 12 in a draft that had 3 qb early. You need a Sapp/Donald/McCoy/Harris when you take a dt that high right? Do you think he can be either of those guys if he's top 3?
 
That's Georgia, they always got studs. So what happens when he's playing with nobodies on the texans defensive front. Again, If I'm taking a defender that high, its an edge freak like Murphy to play opposite of Greenard.

You dont like Anderson?

I'm thinking Carter and Jared Verse, if not Carter/Anderson.

Dont like Murphy, He has nooutstanding traits. IMHO He's very good though. I actually like Breese more and K.J. Henry too. I wouldn't be opposed to picking Henry in the 4th. You know how I feel about Clemson players though. Although they've put out some pretty good DL. The strength of their teams. That and WR's.
 
Why would you draft a non generational idt top 5? Cox was 12 in a draft that had 3 qb early. You need a Sapp/Donald/McCoy/Harris when you take a dt that high right? Do you think he can be either of those guys if he's top 3?

Possibly, his floor is Cox. IMHO
 
You dont like Anderson?

I'm thinking Carter and Jared Verse, if not Carter/Anderson.

Dont like Murphy, He has nooutstanding traits. IMHO He's very good though. I actually like Breese more and K.J. Henry too. I wouldn't be opposed to picking Henry in the 4th. You know how I feel about Clemson players though. Although they've put out some pretty good DL. The strength of their teams. That and WR's.
You said Murphy has no outstanding traits? You playing right? Look at his size,quickness,length,explosion and production. He's 6'5 275 and he can stay and play low. He can strike,shed,and stack. He can speed to power and he's very bendable for someone that size. I like Breese too although I see him more effort type of guy.Go watch that tape and you see both flash.
 
You said Murphy has no outstanding traits? You playing right? Look at his size,quickness,length,explosion and production. He's 6'5 275 and he can stay and play low. He can strike,shed,and stack. He can speed to power and he's very bendable for someone that size. I like Breese too although I see him more effort type of guy.Go watch that tape and you see both flash.

Will do

I haven't watched alot of Clemson football this yr. For obvious reasons.
 
Will do

I haven't watched alot of Clemson football this yr. For obvious reasons.
Its just ball bro. Every prospect has to be evaluated differently from others.Chubb who just got traded was a good football player, but can't stay healthy and is in a contract year. Nothing was said about him having issues off field. Those Clemson dl players have been more successful than those dl players under Saban and even Georgia for the most part. Hell, 2 of the best pass rushers in the nfl come from TAMU recently.
 
Its just ball bro. Every prospect has to be evaluated differently from others.Chubb who just got traded was a good football player, but can't stay healthy and is in a contract year. Nothing was said about him having issues off field. Those Clemson dl players have been more successful than those dl players under Saban and even Georgia for the most part. Hell, 2 of the best pass rushers in the nfl come from TAMU recently.
In this last draft Cleamons was a steal.
 
Darnell Washington wrecking house in the run game.
He's something else. Unfortunately, it isn't likely the Texans land him- drafting a TE in the top 10 is pretty uncommon, especially a TE who is still relatively unproven as a receiving threat. Barring a trade, I think the Texans will be picking too high in the first for Washington to make sense... and he'll be gone by the Texans' second rounder.
 
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He's something else. Unfortunately, it isn't likely the Texans land him- drafting a TE in the top 10 is pretty uncommon, especially a TE who is still relatively unproven as a receiving threat. Barring a trade, I think the Texans will be picking too high in the first for Washington to make sense... and he'll be gone by the Texans' second rounder.
I'm thinking he falls between 20-35.

Caserio should have 2 picks in that area.
 
I'm thinking he falls between 20-35.

Caserio should have 2 picks in that area.
I’d be surprised if he went later than 20. He’s as safe a prospect as you’ll find at TE due to his size, blocking ability, and athleticism. He might not be a star- I think he may become one, but there is some projection involved due to his usage in college. But you can stick him next to an OT right now and he’d be a positive influence in the run game. That has a lot of value. He has shown that he can be a mismatch in the pass game, and that he has decent enough hands. That has value.

We have a long way to go before the draft, so who really knows how it’s all going to go, but- if I had to guess- the Texans pick will end up around 3, and the Browns pick around 10. I don’t know if I want to see Washington at 10… but o also wouldn’t be complaining.
 
Are you thinking that the Cleveland pick will be about 20 or that Caserio trades down and gets a high 2nd?
The Cleveland pick.

I wouldn't pick Washington before pick 15. But after that he's got just as much of a chance to be a great player in the NFL as anybody. 6'7 280 Lbs. is like having a 6th lineman. Incredible thing is he's got enough speed to get down the seam and pretty good hands. Very athletic guy, blocks his butt off, no laziness in this guy.
 
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I’d be surprised if he went later than 20. He’s as safe a prospect as you’ll find at TE due to his size, blocking ability, and athleticism. He might not be a star- I think he may become one, but there is some projection involved due to his usage in college. But you can stick him next to an OT right now and he’d be a positive influence in the run game. That has a lot of value. He has shown that he can be a mismatch in the pass game, and that he has decent enough hands. That has value.

We have a long way to go before the draft, so who really knows how it’s all going to go, but- if I had to guess- the Texans pick will end up around 3, and the Browns pick around 10. I don’t know if I want to see Washington at 10… but o also wouldn’t be complaining.

I didn't see this post before I posted.

Spot on,

If the Texans were to pick at 10 who would you pick?
 
That's who is available at 10 or gone before 10?

There are 11 that I've looked at plus the Clemson trash guys that I haven't looked at and Hooker. So say you're picking at 12 Who's your pick?
 
No clue. It depends who is available and who I picked at the Texans’ first pick. The glib answer would be BPA.
In this case say you picked Young 1st.

Then who would you pick if you picked Anderson 1st?

These are most likely to be picked 1-1 by Caserio. IMHO
 
Not a good look for Young or Stroud yesterday. None of these QB's are doing it for me. Typical Texans #1 pick coming, no franchise changing QB for yourself or to get top value for trading the pick
 
Not a good look for Young or Stroud yesterday. None of these QB's are doing it for me. Typical Texans #1 pick coming, no franchise changing QB for yourself or to get top value for trading the pick

I think that there will be some QB hungry teams willing to a trade. We probably won’t get a massive haul, but I didn’t think we would get anything for Watson either. If we can move down and get an extra 1st round pick next year I would do it.

Something tells me though that Caserio will want more though.
 
There are 11 that I've looked at plus the Clemson trash guys that I haven't looked at and Hooker. So say you're picking at 12 Who's your pick?
IF no trades were possible:
If I took Carter first, I'd select Murphy second
If I took Anderson first, I'd select Breese second
Either scenario I'd hope to get Quentin Johnson top of second or best available receiver
 
IF no trades were possible:
If I took Carter first, I'd select Murphy second
If I took Anderson first, I'd select Breese second
Either scenario I'd hope to get Quentin Johnson top of second or best available receiver

Mine would look like this without a trade.

1. Carter
1. Johnston
2. Jared Verse. If Washington is still there I pick him. (Doubtful)
3. Achane
3. Stromberg
 
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