Mangler
Toro de España
I’m afraid Ross will walk as soon as his contract here is up. Caserio better do work on the next draft and FA so we can still have Ross when the team is finally worth a ferk….
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Early impressions - 2022 Texans.
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TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
The rookies early returns have been encouraging so far.
Pitre should be in the running for defensive rookie of the year. The DeMeco Ryans of this class.
Stingley has flashed CB1 ability. Most talented CB on this team since Jo Jo and will improve as communication improves with his teammates.
Green is a stud interior OL. Haven’t had a lineman that I can remember that consistently pancakes opposing DL. He is a building block on the OL and we need to clone him to field an entire OL of Kenyon Greens!
Pierce has been solid for a 4th round pick. I don’t think he’ll be the superstar bell cow steal some were hoping for… but he is going to be a high end compliment when the team hopefully adds another stud to pair with him. EX: Chubb/Hunt in Cleveland.
I hope that when Harris makes it into the lineup I can heap similar praise on him as these four rookies above. They are not the reason the team is not a contender. I expect them to be building blocks going forward.
And for Metchie, recovery from cancer first. If I were the team I would approach the offseason needing to address that slot WR role with the same urgency they did going to get Metchie. If Metchie becomes a player then its a bonus. But the team cannot just assume he’ll be worth what they paid for him at this point.
Pitre should be in the running for defensive rookie of the year. The DeMeco Ryans of this class.
Stingley has flashed CB1 ability. Most talented CB on this team since Jo Jo and will improve as communication improves with his teammates.
Green is a stud interior OL. Haven’t had a lineman that I can remember that consistently pancakes opposing DL. He is a building block on the OL and we need to clone him to field an entire OL of Kenyon Greens!
Pierce has been solid for a 4th round pick. I don’t think he’ll be the superstar bell cow steal some were hoping for… but he is going to be a high end compliment when the team hopefully adds another stud to pair with him. EX: Chubb/Hunt in Cleveland.
I hope that when Harris makes it into the lineup I can heap similar praise on him as these four rookies above. They are not the reason the team is not a contender. I expect them to be building blocks going forward.
And for Metchie, recovery from cancer first. If I were the team I would approach the offseason needing to address that slot WR role with the same urgency they did going to get Metchie. If Metchie becomes a player then its a bonus. But the team cannot just assume he’ll be worth what they paid for him at this point.
My early impression of the 2022 Texans is that Pep Hamilton is Tim Kelly 2.0. Sure, we've seen a splash play here and there, but it's mostly been the same old same old. Defense still can't stop the run.
I haven't watched every game, but I'm stuck wondering if Mills is just still not comfortable in Hamilton's scheme (kinda thought he was kept on for continuity, ala Kelly) or if his regression is a sign that we saw his ceiling at the end of 2021 and he's just a below average NFL QB. He's definitely been inaccurate at every level in the passing game.
I haven't watched every game, but I'm stuck wondering if Mills is just still not comfortable in Hamilton's scheme (kinda thought he was kept on for continuity, ala Kelly) or if his regression is a sign that we saw his ceiling at the end of 2021 and he's just a below average NFL QB. He's definitely been inaccurate at every level in the passing game.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
If last season was his ceiling, then I'm wondering how Pep managed to derail the continued development. There's far too much speed at the receiver position to be a one-trick pony passing offense. Cooks isn't running past coverage this season, which means Pep and Mills have to draw up plays that utilize Cooks as a decoy until defenses ease up their coverage. Pep must help Mills use other targets on the team.
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Gotta get some weapons for the QB whether that's Mills or another QB.
The Texans currently have the worst receiving corps in the NFL. From the. 3rd down RB to the TE group to the WR's, there's nobody that scares a defense and they even struggle with separation
Texansballer74
The Marine
They are the worst because they have a quarterback who is not getting them the ball. Has nothing to do with talent. Mills is not going through his progressions, he’s going to his first read. He’s also not throwing the ball with any type of accuracy.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
When was the last time we were able to be this optimistic about a draft or have this good of returns so early?
It’s been a while for sure.
Out of curiosity. What do you think is different from last year's receiving corps that Mills was throwing to that made him look like the most productive QB in his draft class? Besides Amendola who had only 24 catches, what talent left the receiving corps from last year? Especially the last four games of last year?
Porky
Hall of Fame
its called excuses. The Mills brigade is full of them. A good QB elevates his teammates. A great one makes Rex Burkhead look like a decent 3rd down back.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
I feel pretty sure that he's got all of the info in his brain .... but when the ball hits his hands, he has an instant attack of the "Hurry Ups" ! A loss of self confidence is about the worst thing a young and inexperienced QB can have. Maybe now that he understands it all, he feels like he should be completing more passes. His receivers have got to get open, and we've got to get more rushing yardage .... more and bigger holes to run through. CJ Stroud, Bijan Robinson, and Sedric Van Pran would go a long way in curing what ails us ! And what has become of OJ Howard ? I forgot to add, this really might be a good time to put one of the other QBs in to take some pressure off of Mills .... he is still not an experienced starter .... another year in college would have done him wonders !
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gs27
Veteran
Mills didn't lose the game. He played much better than the QB across the field from him. We need front 7 players that can shed blocks and know how to tackle. Doesn't much matter how fast or great in coverage they are if they can't shed and tackle. If the LBs can't do that, the Texans might as well play all DBs, the Texans linebackers are an absolute joke.
How did they look in Mills first 3 games last year?
I guess the answer to your question would be the same as they look this year.
To be fair. Mills wasn't evaluated on his first 3 games last year. If he was, I doubt he would have started this year as the unchallenged starter without any competition. He was evaluated on the way he performed at the end of the season and I don't recall the WR corps being mentioned as helping or hurting his performance.
A really good slot guy.
Burkhead looks like he's lost it and Cooks aren't the same guys as last year. The TE group still sucks.
What other teams would Pharaoh/Burkhead/Moore and for that matter Collins start or get significant playing time for?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Y’all do know Cooks didn’t participate in any preseason games. Him and Mills are off because of chemistry and Mills trying to force feed him in double to triple coverage. He did drop 2 passes but that doesn’t mean he’s lost it. The entire freaking offense is out of sync.
I guess it depends on who is the VP of Football Operations and/or the GM that would have them on the roster?
You can only fix so much in one off-season in a rebuild. Caserio found 4 guys in the draft and 2 in FA that can play. Stingley,Green,Petrie,Pierce,Cann, Hughes. Hopefully he also hits on Harris and Metchie. I consider that to be a great off-season and if he can do this again next off-season I don't think we will be seeing posts like this one.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
And Charles Spencer ... he might have been the best of them but for getting Dayne'd
I hope this isn’t a serious take.
Texansballer74
The Marine
So y’all are telling me if we Allen, Herbert, or Mahomas, they would not be able to do anything with this receiver crew?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
None of them would develop to be who they are today if they started as rookies on this team as it consists now.
Do you realize that Allen was the leading rusher on the Bill's team in his rookie year (631 yards).
McCoy led the backs with 514 yards (3.2 ypc) and Ivory totaled 385 yards (3.1ypc).
The leading receiver was Zay Jones.
Do you want that guy as your no. 1 receiver?
And I bet you don't know who his TEs were, do you?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Didn’t we have a quarterback that developed into a top 5 quarterback a few years ago? And didn’t Pep help develop Herbert and Luck?
I will ask you how Herbert looked with Carter/Palmer/Williams and Everret last week with Keenan Allen out? Allen wasn't nearly as good until Diggs/McKinzie/Beasley/Davis/Knox were added. Mahomes walked into a great situation and it should be interesting to see how he does without Hill.
Thinking about this. Posters wanted Hopkins to get fewer targets so the ball could get spread around to talented guys like Bruce Ellington, Keke Coutee, Darren Fells, Jordan Akins, Jordan Thomas, Deandre Carter, Steven Mitchell, Vyncinth Smith and Chad Hansen?
What's funny is that most of those guys had career or near career years playing in BOB's ED offense. I guess since posters thought they were worthy of targets before, Caserio should be able to get them on the cheap to bolster the talent pool....
What's funny is that most of those guys had career or near career years playing in BOB's ED offense. I guess since posters thought they were worthy of targets before, Caserio should be able to get them on the cheap to bolster the talent pool....
The one that led the team to a 21-7 one and done in 2018 and then scored 0 first half points with 62 total yards before squeeking out an OT win before the 51-3 collapse in the divisional game in 2019? And an awesome 4-12 record in 2020 before quitting on the team? Are were you referring to another?
banned1976
sleeper mode
The receiving corps hasn't played very well and neither has the quarterback. Lovie hasn't coached well, and I've always felt Pep is overrated, but that's just me. I wouldn't be surprised if all were replaced by the end of the 2023 season, if not sooner.
If the Texans are drafting 1 or 2 in 23, they should be drafting a quarterback. And if they find themselves in draft purgatory (not good enough to make the playoffs and not bad enough to make a run at Stroud or Young), thanks for playing and better luck in 2024.
If the Texans are drafting 1 or 2 in 23, they should be drafting a quarterback. And if they find themselves in draft purgatory (not good enough to make the playoffs and not bad enough to make a run at Stroud or Young), thanks for playing and better luck in 2024.
I agree with your first paragraph totally.
But if the Texans pick Stroud or Young in 23, they will be doomed to do no better than the Texans did in 2018-2020. Good enough to make the playoffs (maybe) but not good enough to build a solid team while the QB is on a rookie contract
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Do you realize the Bills weren’t an expansion team? Do you realize we are again?
All you need to do is look at the 2002 Houston Texans of what not to do. When you are an expansion team you don’t draft a QB in the 1st round until you know you have weapons and protection.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I kindly disagree with your second paragraph. I would entertain trades to move back in the draft in the first round and get another 1st round draft pick in 2024. And if we can get more get more.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
The one who quit on us because he didn’t want to be part of the rebuilding process?
Yea - Let’s go through that again.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Yeah, well, he didn’t win it either. For the 3rd game in a row BTW.
He just signed his 2nd contract. 2 playoff appearances, both ended dismally.
We were finally in position to build around him through the draft. & the bottom fell out.
Now we can't run the ball. Can't stop the run, & hoping a 3rd round QB from Calf'knfornia can get us to the playoffs.
Thinking about this. Posters wanted Hopkins to get fewer targets so the ball could get spread around to talented guys like Bruce Ellington, Keke Coutee, Darren Fells, Jordan Akins, Jordan Thomas, Deandre Carter, Steven Mitchell, Vyncinth Smith and Chad Hansen?
What's funny is that most of those guys had career or near career years playing in BOB's ED offense. I guess since posters thought they were worthy of targets before, Caserio should be able to get them on the cheap to bolster the talent pool....
Or WFV, the RB's/TE's.
On top of being a selfish pervert.
This is how you build a long term dynasty.
austins23
Hall of Fame
Mentioned it in other threads. When is the last time we saw a play that had a WR running wide open? I know there were a couple in the Bears game, but I think one was a busted coverage.
I watch other teams that aren’t full of skill player talent running wide open all the time. And the QBs aren’t Tommy or Aaron.
I watch other teams that aren’t full of skill player talent running wide open all the time. And the QBs aren’t Tommy or Aaron.
What the Bills had was their D.
In 2017, they had a healthy Lesean McCoy who rushEd for 1.138 yards (4.0 ypc and 59 receptions for 448 yards.
McCoy was injured in 2018, leading to his 3.2ypc
The Bills did not add any weapon to the offense, yet they still drafted Allen and let him sink or swim.
What the Bills had was a D, though not as good as they are now.
Their offense came in 29th in yards gained in 2017, the season before Allen got drafted.
And that was with a healthy Lesean McCoy who rushed for over 1,100 yards (4ypc) and cornered 59 catches.
McCoy was injured in 2018, which led to the 3.2ypc.
The Bills drafted Allen and did not add any weapon to the offense as I had mentioned.
They also lost Incognito on the offensive line (a guy we all hated for his dirty plays, but he was good at what he does.)
So much so that their offensive line was ranked 26th in Allen's rookie year.
2018 NFL Offensive Line Rankings: All 32 teams' units after Week 17 | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF
Senior Analyst Mike Renner outlines PFF's NFL offensive line rankings after Week 17 of the 2018 NFL regular season.
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No offensive line, no weapon, the loss of the bell-cow RB.
But you see, the Bills still drafted Allen.
If they had followed your advice, they wouldn't have the offense they have today.
I don't have access to the All-22 so I can't tell.
But I did hear guys said on the radio that Mills missed (didn't see) some open guys.
Texansballer had the link to such a clip somewhere in one of the threads.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
What the Bills had was their D.
In 2017, they had a healthy Lesean McCoy who rushEd for 1.138 yards (4.0 ypc and 59 receptions for 448 yards.
McCoy was injured in 2018, leading to his 3.2ypc
The Bills did not add any weapon to the offense, yet they still drafted Allen and let him sink or swim.
What the Bills had was a D, though not as good as they are now.
Their offense came in 29th in yards gained in 2017, the season before Allen got drafted.
And that was with a healthy Lesean McCoy who rushed for over 1,100 yards (4ypc) and cornered 59 catches.
McCoy was injured in 2018, which led to the 3.2ypc.
The Bills drafted Allen and did not add any weapon to the offense as I had mentioned.
They also lost Incognito on the offensive line (a guy we all hated for his dirty plays, but he was good at what he does.)
So much so that their offensive line was ranked 26th in Allen's rookie year.
2018 NFL Offensive Line Rankings: All 32 teams' units after Week 17 | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF
Senior Analyst Mike Renner outlines PFF's NFL offensive line rankings after Week 17 of the 2018 NFL regular season.
No offensive line, no weapon, the loss of the bell-cow RB.
But you see, the Bills still drafted Allen.
If they had followed your advice, they wouldn't have the offense they have today.
Get your facts straight before you go putting words in mouth or saying I said something I didn’t.
I never said the Bills shouldn’t have drafted Allen. I said the Texans aren’t in a position to draft Allen because our current team is worse. Allen wouldn’t be the player he is today if drafted by the Texans.
The Texans have too many holes to fill to make a player like Allen grow.
The Bills in your example had a good defense, a proven RB - and I will stop there because our defense couldn’t stop running water. Do we have a RB? We don’t know.
There - the Bills are already in a better position. That’s the point.
Now I haven’t brought up if our coaches can improve a player like Allen compared to what the Bills had.
I think most of the early impressions result from unrealistic expectations. I think the Texans are overacheiving a bit, in terms of points allowed. Once again, Lovie's defense is in the top 10 in turnovers created. And they are 5th in red zone TD %. Despite the offense's inability to sustain drives (last in yards per drive), at least they aren't turning the ball over at a high rate. This is a younger team than the 2021 Texans, but plays more like pros. There are still holes on the starting lineup and the depth is poor. That's not changing in 2022.
I don't think it's correct to judge this team by the development of a 3rd round QB. Mills showed enough in 2021 to warrant further evaluation. Nothing more. He still has 14 more games to be evaluated. If he's not the guy, it in no way cripples this rebuild. I do not believe this will be the coaching staff to lead the Texans to the Super Bowl is so faraway distant time. But I do believe they can show these young guys how to play in the NFL. This is not a wasted year.
I don't think it's correct to judge this team by the development of a 3rd round QB. Mills showed enough in 2021 to warrant further evaluation. Nothing more. He still has 14 more games to be evaluated. If he's not the guy, it in no way cripples this rebuild. I do not believe this will be the coaching staff to lead the Texans to the Super Bowl is so faraway distant time. But I do believe they can show these young guys how to play in the NFL. This is not a wasted year.
I know you know I’m just saying as a matter of discussion.
one of those guys was a QB in the NFL & should know better. But like you said, need to see it for yourself, watch the QB & try to reconcile all that information.
imo, yes there were open receivers Mills apparently didn’t see, or chose to go somewhere else with the ball.
The real question is why. & we only have speculation to go on & not enough information to come to any conclusion.
He’s not “seeing the whole field” but that’s to be expected with young QBs learning new systems
Texansballer74
The Marine
Again our fanbase acts just like the darn team. We’re not in position to draft a quarterback because the team isn’t paraphrasing loaded with talent. The dang Colts wasn’t loaded with talent when they drafted Peyton Manning. They built that team up around him. James was drafted in 1999, Wayne was 2001, and Peyton in 1998. But our big time fan base wants to build the team up beforehand.
They have Faulk and Harrison. Their defense IMO wasn’t good. That year they went 3-13. That following year the took off.
If Stroud is a franchise type quarterback, you get him. You have enough draft capital to build around him.
They have Faulk and Harrison. Their defense IMO wasn’t good. That year they went 3-13. That following year the took off.
If Stroud is a franchise type quarterback, you get him. You have enough draft capital to build around him.
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Do you think Stroud is a Manning level quarterback? Do the Texans have a Faulk or a Harrison?
This franchise will never be a long term dynasty. They say never say never, but I feel pretty confident that the Texans are the exception to that rule.
All we can hope for as fans is the occasional blind squirrel finding a nut to get a playoff spot and choke out by the 2nd round. It's what we live for in H-town.
Draft a QB with these receivers, no RB2, and you have the same problem next year.