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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
- Thread starter Texansballer74
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Take a deep breath TexansBull. Who did I call a racist? When you take your emotions out of your post. You repeated exactly what I posted. You guys crack me up. Any Texans fan should not be happy with what Watson did to our favorite team, the fans who were ready to storm NRG on his behalf or support him or bought his jersey.
However, there is a thin line between anger and pettiness. Posters cannot even say the guy is not a one-read QB without the obligatory you support a sexual predator. I really don't care how emotional you get. My point stands. Posters who were calling him a one-read QB did it before the allegations and would be doing it without the allegations.
Read my post again. I didn't call anyone a racist. I was just countering TK who posted they are calling him a one-read QB BECAUSE of the allegations.
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You can't win a SB with Derrick's style of play.
This just in, Derrick's not only dumb, he's a selfish sociopath.
TexansBull
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leebigeztx
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So you say. Stafford broke Schaub record for most pick 6 in a season and won a superbowl, but you're trying to forecast of not winning a superbowl with a style, which you've been pushing a false narrative of style. What was Eli and Big Ben style of play?
How often does he audible? How often does he hit his hot read? You don’t win championships by constantly scrambling. They are won from the pocket.
Boris
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that's what gives me pause,
i'd always blamed him for part of our offence's inefficiencies until Randall Cobb's criticisms (while a Texan) regarding "hot reads" in our gameplan
can't find the quote
end of the day...
EVERY ORGANISATION THAT HAD THE NEED & THE CAPITAL PURSUED DW4
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maverick512000
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This is where I’m at. When Watson was our QB I was cheering for him and wanted him to be the greatest QB to ever play. There were some mechanics he did I was concerned about and I didn’t like him playing hero ball but even the best QBs have flaws, ever seen Brady try to run, so I was still all in.
Then he wanted out after signing the mega contract and I lost all respect for him because other that Hopkins getting traded the situation wasn’t any different as far as Cal, OB and Easterby that it was before he signed. I lost respect and thought what he did was a d**k move but at that point it was “Ok maybe they can bring him back and if not what kind of kings ransom can we get?” I wasn’t a fan anymore but can’t say I wished him ill.
Then the reports started coming out. I’m sorry but I will never believe one man over 20+ women when there is reports of sexual assault and frankly if Watson was just a John Doe no one else would either. Add to that he never explained why he went to north of 50 different massage therapists and yeah I believe he is a sexual predator and that he beat the system due to fortune and fame.
I’m over it though and my beliefs say we all answer to a higher power that doesn’t care how rich you are or how famous so I believe Watson will someday get his due. The human side of me is just shaking it’s head and saying yeah that’s the way the world works. The football fan in me is just glad he’s not on my team any more and we got something for all the problems he caused us.
Both sides are over it and still follow this thread out of boredom, and the memes those are great, not out of a belief that Watson, Browns or the NFL will actually answer for any of this.
Mangler
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You have to deliver from the pocket on a consistent basis.
Feel free to disagree with me, but Derrick will never win a championship. I'm rooting for Derrick to have a painful career, both in terms of physical and mental health.
Carr Bombed
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I never thought Watson couldn't handle more than 1 read.. I mean this is a scum bag who can juggle 60+ masseuses + football. Imagine how good he could've been if he didn't have his head shoved up his ass.
He feels pressure before it even gets there leading to happy feet
leebigeztx
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Quoted for truth. Cobb also said none of the routes married up with anything else. Nothing looked like nothing else. A player they overpaid for, a vet, from 2 different systems said the same thing I said from the jump with Obrien/Godsey/Kelly. That's not saying Cobb was a great wr, but he had success with Rogers and Dak
leebigeztx
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Great post. Just that simple. I don't understand why it can't be that simple for everyone.
leebigeztx
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Or maybe the jailbreak that was happening on down because they kept trying to run the ball and play behind the chains alot. In another post, you pulled up the Buffalo play when both edge rusher came unblocked and the 3 tech and you were talking about stepping up in the pocket. There was no pocket at all and no hot route. If you watch the all 22, the receivers wasn't even close to their break, but you wanted something that wasn't possible. All of the chaos and the dude still found Jones which led to the win.
leebigeztx
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Those who criticize Derapist only do so because they’re racist. Got it.
So Big Ben who consistently broke the pocket, was one of the most sacked qbs in his prime because he held the ball too long won 2 superbowls and almost a 3 playing the same way can do all that, yet Watson can't? Oh yeah, he was a creep also. Stafford threw the most pick 6s in the history of football,breaking Schaub record won a superbowl. Burrough had a oline as bad as Watson, held the ball too long, got sacked alot also, was in the superbowl. Nick Foles, a backup won a superbowl over the greatest qb ever. The premise of a template to a qb winning a superbowl exist, especially in this salary cap era, doesn't exist in my opinion. I'm guessing Josh Allen will never win a superbowl either because either because he do all the things you say you can't do to win a superbowl. A younger Rodgers did also as did Steve Young who was running down the field with his helmet off.
Notice those guys consistently deliver accurate and on time throws from the pocket. They have a totally different style from Derrick's.
leebigeztx
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Again, we're going to agree to disagree. Big Ben is the biggest backyard football playing qb in the history of the nfl and won 2 superbowls, yet this style doesn't win. You must don't remember the early Big Ben, but its cool. Watson was inaccurate on his throws, his ypa was bottom the barrell and he threw ints to boot. Like in the other post, time will tell
And here? This happens a lot with him. Rarely ever steps up in the pocket.
paycheck71
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Is it time to close this thread until there's any more news re "Sexual assault suits..." and move the football related posts to what I'm assuming is a still existing or a new "Is DW a good QB?" thread?
Carr Bombed
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It's just going to pop back up once he takes the field, if it even dies down.. Might as well just let this be the Deshaun Watson thread.
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Did Ben mainly throw from the pocket? He certainly wasn't one to take off running at the 1st sign of trouble. He stood in there and took the hits while giving his receivers another split second to get open.
Carr Bombed
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Outside of their sexual assault allegations Watson and Roethlisberger aren't comparable.. 2 completely different QBs, 2 completely different builds, and 2 completely different eras (game was just more physical when Ben came up).
Big Ben in his younger years could move for a man his size, but that wasn't what made him dangerous.. He was just so damn hard to bring down. He was a anomoly, basically damn near undersized lineman playing QB. He would punish defensive players just as much as they punished him. Led to all the injury issues he had later on in his career, but also is what made him a great QB. He could stand tall in the pocket, take a hit/contact, break out of tackles, and still make throws downfield.
Watson can hurt you also, but totally different style. Difference is Watson doesn't have the style where you can sit back there like Ben did. I think his best season or atleast the best I thought his skill set blended and maxed his talent potential (here anyway) was his rookie year playing in the RPO. I was a huge Watson fan.. even said he was a top 5 QB, but even I saw him run into self inflicted sacks regularly. That's the part of his game he has to change if he wants to take the next step. Athleticism/youth only lasts so long and takes you so far at that position.. If Watson wants to play as long as Ben did (39 yo) He's going to have to make a transition just like Ben did. Roethlisberger even figured out he couldn't just hold on to the ball and try to make hero plays.
Sometimes I feel like Dabo Sweeney did Watson no favors by calling him the Michael Jordan of football.. there is no such thing (closest outlier is Tom Brady). Out of all the big 3 sports, basketball is the most individual driven team sport there is. Football is the complete opposite of the big 3. Where Deshaun always got into trouble is where he tried too hard to make a play instead of just avoiding a negative one. Yeah, when he had his "Houdini plays", much watch TV.. but more often than not it didn't go that way. That style of play wasn't sustainable. He's got maturing left to do on the field and a hell lot of it to do off the field.
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OptimisticTexan
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You say this b/c Watson was with the Texans his entire career. At what point during his time in Houston did the Texans even remotely assemble an organization much less a team that was Championship game or Super Bowl worthy? By the way, I'm separating his on-field talent from his off-field stupidity before anyone want to make a foolish comment.
We differ on our opinions of his on field talent.
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Hero ball can win a national championship (VY & Watson) and even win a Heisman (Manziel), but if you're a one trick pony and hero ball is your trick, the NFL has a ceiling for ya'.
Watson might develop into something more than relying solely on athletic ability, but with two seasons out and questionable decision making (on & off), it'll be interesting to see how the Cleveland Browns develop that potential.
I'm not holding my breath, especially in an AFC loaded with QB talent.
What an absolute joke of a process.
Is he going to "counseling" and just sitting there telling his therapist, "I'm innocent. I didn't do anything. Why am I here? They all lying."
What is the purpose of this stupid smoke screen?
It's clearly a process of pandering because the NFL front office thinks their fans are too stupid and apathetic to figure it out. And they might be right.
leebigeztx
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Big Ben was so off script, they brought in Haley to help him get the ball out his hands quicker. Big Ben was once of the most sacked qbs early in his career because he would hold onto the ball trying to make a play downfield, scramble right and then throw the ball. I'm not making this stuff up. Go look at Big ben sack totals in his 1st 5 years and think about the olines he had and consistent running game. Again, I would tell anyone at times he holds the ball too long, thats why his ypa is normally high.
CloakNNNdagger
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The AFC is not only loaded with QB talent...........but more important to the subject of Watson.............loaded with fast, big, aggressive defenses..........especially those that can get after the QB with fire.
Why do I get the feeling that the fix is in?
Mr. Watson, I feel that you are a sociopath...........
leebigeztx
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How and who won that game? When you don't know or see the coverage, something tv copy doesn't do, you can't possibly tell the read or who is open. You can literally pull any qb clip and say he should've gotten rid of the ball on a sack. Did you watch the superbowl with Tampa and KC? Did you not see Tampa rush 4 drop 7 and pressured Mahomes the entire game? At the end they talked about how many yards he ran and how long he was holding the ball?
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NFL World Reacts to News of Deshaun Watson’s Counseling
By Daniel Kucher
-August 22, 2022
As part of his agreement with the NFL to limit the suspension to 11 games, Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson must undergo counseling before he can recover.
So it shouldn’t be a surprise to learn that Watson has already started his mandatory consultations. NFL columnist Peter King reported Monday that Watson has started consulting, but Mike Florio thinks there should be a catch.
Florio argued in a ProFootballTalk article about the King report that part of Watson’s consultation should include retracting his ongoing claims of innocence. Watson basically undermined the purpose of the suspension by claiming he was innocent of any wrongdoing by accepting the suspension.
Since 2021, more than two dozen women have come forward and accused Deshaun Watson of sexual harassment. Criminal charges were never filed, but they all planned to bring Watson to trial before settling the case out of court.
All this time, the NFL has been conducting its own investigation into Watson’s behavior and whether it violated league rules.
The end result was a disqualification, which was originally designed for six games. The NFL appealed and would have targeted the entire season or even more before Watson sat down at the negotiating table and agreed to this deal.
Watson and the NFL may be satisfied with the decision, but the fans are not.
By Daniel Kucher
-August 22, 2022
As part of his agreement with the NFL to limit the suspension to 11 games, Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson must undergo counseling before he can recover.
So it shouldn’t be a surprise to learn that Watson has already started his mandatory consultations. NFL columnist Peter King reported Monday that Watson has started consulting, but Mike Florio thinks there should be a catch.
Florio argued in a ProFootballTalk article about the King report that part of Watson’s consultation should include retracting his ongoing claims of innocence. Watson basically undermined the purpose of the suspension by claiming he was innocent of any wrongdoing by accepting the suspension.
NFL fans don’t seem to be sure if Watson will do what Florio said. Many believe that he will just say everything he needs to play again and that apologies mean nothing, others are not convinced that he needs to apologize at all:Since 2021, more than two dozen women have come forward and accused Deshaun Watson of sexual harassment. Criminal charges were never filed, but they all planned to bring Watson to trial before settling the case out of court.
All this time, the NFL has been conducting its own investigation into Watson’s behavior and whether it violated league rules.
The end result was a disqualification, which was originally designed for six games. The NFL appealed and would have targeted the entire season or even more before Watson sat down at the negotiating table and agreed to this deal.
Watson and the NFL may be satisfied with the decision, but the fans are not.
One other note. I think the clip from the Cowboys game is from 2018 and the Ravens' clip is from 2019. No doubt the Ravens defense gave Watson fits and was probably one of the worst games of his NFL career. However, if that Cowboys clip is from 2018 game where Alfred Blue had 20 carries for 40 yards and the Cowboys defense was dropping 7, you will have bad plays like that. Yet, with no running game, the Texans won the game and he threw for almost 400 yards.
It's now a pointless and tired debate, but the guy was improving as an NFL QB. I believe many of the valid criticisms were based on his performance in his first 25 NFL games and the improvement in his games were either ignored or fans had already made up their minds on his play. Teams don't give up 3 first round picks for one-read QBs with no ceiling.
How much looking to run was Ben looking to do while he was holding onto the ball in the pocket vs scrambling around looking to either run or heave a deep throw down field?
Comparing Ben's game to Derrick's game is laughable. They couldn't be different in style.
He has not improved in his years in the NFL. Team trading 3 first round picks means nothing because there are a lot of idiots in the NFL, because flashy doesn’t win championships . If You keep on scrambling out of the pocket constantly, you will end up with a short career like RGIII. Add to the fact he doesn’t throw the ball away because it will affect his passer rating, in which he would rather take a sack.
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leebigeztx
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Come on, you of all people should know Big Ben always tried to escape the pocket to his right. Did he run? No, but he got outside the pocket and held the ball alot in his younger years and he always had a top end run game early. Watson avg 5 rushes and 31 yds a game on the ground for his career. How is that taking off running with the ball? Again, we're not going anywhere in this conversation, its cool. Agree to disagree again and we can get off the merry go round.
leebigeztx
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So dudes who get paid millions to know what a established 26 yr old qb look like are idiots, but you do? Gotcha
Well yeah. Because QBs who mostly scramble and don’t throw from the pocket always win championships right? Oh, no they don’t. That’s right.
QBs who don’t audible when they see a blitz coming don’t last.
Many teams can be interested, that doesn’t mean he can read a blitz, pick up his hot read, or stay in the pocket. He’s flashy. That’s it.
He takes so many sacks because he’s trying to hit the home run, and doesn’t throw his receivers open. He waits for someone to get open, and misses other reads because of it.
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leebigeztx
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leebigeztx
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Wilson can throw from the pocket and doesn’t get happy feet when he feels any hint of pressure, and doesn’t scramble in the backfield of the pocket when he should be stepping into it.
Russell Wilson: “Everything starts from the pocket”
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Denver Broncos' QB Russell Wilson: 'Everything Starts from the Pocket' - Sports Illustrated Mile High Huddle: Denver Broncos News, Analysis and More
Russell Wilson pushed back some at the notion that he's not a pocket passer.
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Dudes who make millions gave millions to Brock freakin' Osweiler (who was 26 yo at the time, btw). Making millions in an NFL front office does not make anyone an expert.
maverick512000
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And Carson Wentz, two groups of dudes that make millions gave him millions.
Mangler
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Russell Wilson is NOT a run first QB. (In my opinion) He’s not afraid to operate from the pocket, but has the speed/athleticism to make guys miss and run for yardage if there’s no one to throw to. He doesn’t panick when the pocket collapses. Watson is the closest to Wilson, but not quite the same style. Guys like RG3, Kancernick, Lamar Jackson, and Kyler Murray (to an extent) are examples of styles that while flashy wont get you a ring in the NFL. Unless you have a great defense like the Broncos in 2015 of course.
maverick512000
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Run first QBs can work if they are built for it and the team is built for it. Guys like Newton and Jackson are basically RBs that can throw. Big Ben was another guy build to run through defenses but his arm was good enough that it was better for him to throw. Watson's problem when running is that he is built slim and can't take the heavy hits every game like a Cam Newton could. As far as Wilson goes though the styles are different I find he and Mahomes have a lot in common, they can and have run the ball enough that defenses can't ignore their legs, like they could with Brady or Manning, but their arm is what wins games for them. That's a true duel threat QB to me.
Mangler
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We have yet to see a Newton/Jackson type QB win it all, but I agree 100% with everything you described.
maverick512000
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True but Newton was one fumble and then failure to dive away from winning it all and Ravens have been a competitive team and in the hunt pretty much every year. If in wasn't that the whole team seems to keep getting injured their record would be better. Then again I'm a Raven fan so maybe I'm biased.
And Josh Johnson is on his 17th (all leagues) different team and has made ~$10M or more