Hmm are we still judging sexual assault victims on when they report something?
What about these 24 women weren’t timely? Statute of limitations had not run out.
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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
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Hmm are we still judging sexual assault victims on when they report something?
What about these 24 women weren’t timely? Statute of limitations had not run out.
He’s not judging. Offering an opinion. Timely reporting helps. Do you disagree?
Carr Bombed
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Apparently not when celeb/money status is involved, because they did report in a timely manner.
again, what is timely if the victim is within his or her rights?
CloakNNNdagger
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For the past week or so, we have heard from many talking heads who have stated that their sources have told them that Watson's suspension would be anywhere from only 2 to 8 games. As expected, there have been no leaks from Judge Robinson. So it should be quite obvious where those numbers are coming from. Furthermore, there have been concurrent reports that the League will not appeal a suspension of at least 8 games.
Now I will share what I had heard several weeks ago and again in the past couple of days from a League source. And I know its validity will be questioned by many here........ which is fine and something I expect. The reason that I have chosen to post it is that it is not actually a "leak," but a contradictory reboot of what has been reported by others. Furthermore, Corrosion has independently been told the same by his League source.
The League is indeed extremely upset with the Browns and Watson for several obvious reasons, but mostly over the structure of the guaranteed contract............a structure that would allow him to skirt significant financial losses in the case of a long suspension.....one that allows more skirting by pushing the same contract terms/years into the future. This carefully premeditated move has garnered the anger of the entire League to the point that the aforementioned sources say that the League is aimed at a "indefinite" suspension of 2 full seasons with ability for Watson to petition the League thereafter for reinstatement...........with both sources emphasizing that the latter is by no means ensured.
Now I will share what I had heard several weeks ago and again in the past couple of days from a League source. And I know its validity will be questioned by many here........ which is fine and something I expect. The reason that I have chosen to post it is that it is not actually a "leak," but a contradictory reboot of what has been reported by others. Furthermore, Corrosion has independently been told the same by his League source.
The League is indeed extremely upset with the Browns and Watson for several obvious reasons, but mostly over the structure of the guaranteed contract............a structure that would allow him to skirt significant financial losses in the case of a long suspension.....one that allows more skirting by pushing the same contract terms/years into the future. This carefully premeditated move has garnered the anger of the entire League to the point that the aforementioned sources say that the League is aimed at a "indefinite" suspension of 2 full seasons with ability for Watson to petition the League thereafter for reinstatement...........with both sources emphasizing that the latter is by no means ensured.
Wow. It’s definitely understandable that the league would be angry.
Timely is timely. Just like obtuse is obtuse
CloakNNNdagger
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You would think that this fake account would have been cancelled by now.
A copy for when it's deleted:
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Not how it works in the real world. Many victims never report their assault. Doesn’t make it any less credible when some do speak years after the fact.
banned1976
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So do we. Everyday.
We aren’t writing for a major publication.
TexansBull
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Makes a little more depressing. At least Florio is getting paid. We do it for free.
austins23
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So did I read this right? IF he gets a 2 year suspension, he gets paid anyway? So he 10 mil or so for NOT playing for the Texans the last year, and he will get paid for 2 seasons by the Browns, and not play a down?? Dayum!
The Pencil Neck
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Yeah, well, at least we don't flip flop on our stories while saying the same stuff over and...
Oh.
Waittasecond.
The punishment should be about Watson's actions. Not the contract he signed. If this is true, it's certainly not surprising. We heard Ravens' owner Steve Biscotti's remorse over the contract. Another example of how the owners abuse the CBA and don't have the moral standing to judge players.
Of course not. No one ever said it makes the victim less credible.
If it really happened, it doesn’t even matter if they report outside the statute of limitations.
but if it didn’t happen not reporting timely affects their credibility.
With more than 24 complaints Buzbee had to determine which were credible & which weren’t. I don’t know what his criteria was, but I bet he asked who they told & when.
Not when they thought of taking legal action, but who did they tell and when.
Now they need moral standing in their decisions on how much to pay their employees?
CloakNNNdagger
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So that's why so many in the media and here are always pointing to examples of the owners' punishments or non-punishments.
BTW, premeditation in avoiding financial consequences for his previous actions, is a specific extended action by Watson which should be strongly considered as a mitigating factor, as in the fix was in.
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Stop twisting my words. Or learn to read.
It's that the owners' actions go without punishment. Or effective punishment. Dan Synder not being able to run his team for a year? So he lets his wife do it, and that's OK. How's that going to look in a real court?
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TexansBull
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You don’t need moral standing to discipline an employee of your business.
It is not hard to understand.
TexansBull
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That is why Snyder is avoiding subpoena from congress on his yacht. He is avoiding his own investigation.
And not being punished for such by the league.
The agreement that both parties signed stated this:
"It is a privilege to be part of the National Football League. Everyone who is part of the league must refrain from “conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in” the NFL. This includes owners, coaches, players, other team employees, game officials, and employees of the league office, NFL Films, NFL Network, or any other NFL business."
The argument the NFLPA will eventually make is that the league as reneged on the "Everyone" and "Owners" part of the agreement. Therefore, losing standing to discipline players. It's a pretty strong argument, IMO.
I do not think the players will fight an 8 game suspension for Watson. It's not a good look. I absolutely believe the players will demand a lawsuit against the league if the result is an indefinite suspension at the discretion of the commissioner. An indefinite suspension for a player who was not convicted, or even stood trial, of an offense would be enormous escalation of power to the league. Something they just fought against in the last CBA. All the while the owners get away with anything and everything, scot-free. That's why the "Everyone" and "Owners" language was put in the agreement in the first place.
I won't childishly admonish you for not comprehending this. It's difficult. Reading is knowledge.
No twisting your words.
You seem to have a problem with ownership and the employer/employee relationship.
2 totally different things.
Seems like a pretty smart guy to me.
They can't force him to testify and after seeing some of these Congressional hearings, I would try to avoid them at all costs. They're neither fair or impartial. They certainly aren't about trying to get to the truth.
They punished Snyder. You just don't like the punishment they gave him.
You're actually saying you're good with a player having outstanding clains of sexual abuse against him playing in the NFL. SMDH
Derrick did this to himself with HIS actions. He shouldn't be able to play until all these cases are settled and if more cases come up his suspension should be reinstated until those cases are settled. That's unless you're for a guy like Derrick who obviously is a predator at the least and a sexual assaulter at worst playing in the NFL.
TexansBull
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Lol.
Let me try one last time.
I need you come down from your ivory tower filled with gumdrops and unicorns. Throw away your fairness and equal doctrine.
Join the rest of us in the real world where nothing is fair and equal. You can huff and puff about hypocrisy but at the end of the day someone is the owner and someone is the employee.
Words on a paper vs actual real world application.
You have an owner under congressional investigation avoiding subpoena on his yacht, and another entering arbitration.
This isn’t in the public eye because the public keeps up with individual players. Not owners. The public plays fantasy football with players, not owners.
The public plays a deciding role in what happens to owners by their own actions.
You said the Watson investigation should be about punishment for Watson for his actions and nothing else.
TexansBull
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Sounds like hypocrisy.
I've never said any of that. This has zero to do with me. Kick everyone out for life after 1st offense. Zero tolerance. Fine by me. But are they kicking out the owners, too? Now, we've introduced nuance.
It's not my doctrine. Just talking about how a court will treat an agreement. I didn't create this dilemma. I'm just discussing it. It's you and others that want to wish it out of existence.
That's because the league doesn't police itself. Only the players. Out of sight, out of mind. However, the public is not the final arbiter.
Yes, it should be a punishment of what can be proven he has done. Not a contract he signed. That's not illegal at all. But the punishment emanates from the agreement the league and players signed. If that agreement is voided due to the league's actions, or lack thereof, how can they punish anyone?
You said the punishment should be about his actions. Not the league’s. Or at least when it came to the contract. Are you backtracking?
I don’t see anything about the owners here…….Or the league. Interesting.
The league is made up of 32 owners and they police each other as they see fit. The owners have God'ell to handle PR and player issues.
I can't wait for this to go to court. It probably never will go to court.
They've made owners sell, fined and suspended them. Like I said they punish their own as they see fit. You just disagree with the punishment the owners have gotten.
They can punish Derrick however they wish and even though the contract shouldn't come into play, you're kidding yourself if you think it won't. Derricks actions have put both himself and the Browns in this position. David set his contract up in a way that there would be very little financial impact. The owners are going to have final day on this situation. Hopefully the pain will be felt by Derrick until he's humbled.
Whataboutism isn't s legal argument.
The punishment will be about his actions.
His actions go so far as to attempt to avoid financial penalty contractually.
When you know you are likely to be suspended and you do all you can to reduce the financial impact of that - that's an action along with the previous actions.
Yep. A drastic reduction in one year’s salary in an obvious attempt to avoid financial penalty. It’s arrogant, unethical, and I’d imagine a breach of some stipulation of the CBA agreement.
banned1976
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I'll admit that I am one of "we". Watson doesn't deserve the keystrokes here, we're the fanbase he doesn't think about for one second, couldn't wait to get away from. He's a creep and we still give him our time.
I'm not sure I get this. We are reposting and liking a post from an account that has already been identified as a fake account? What's going on here?
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I want to hear more about this. I don't know if this was a Watson camp demand or a Cleveland desperation enticement.
It takes two to tango. & there was an owner actively involved as one of the two.
TexansBull
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I wouldn’t give Cleveland any credit for being a smart cookie. Now Mulughata(SP?) Watson’s agent, he is the smart one of the bunch.
CloakNNNdagger
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Haslam has never done anything he didn't want to. The escrow wasn't lightened (a lot of very dead money not working for him). Noone is going to believe that $260 million dollars guaranteed was going to be matched by any other team, with or without the manipulation of the 1st year compensation. But even if you insist on not looking at it this way, a long suspension will have significant negative impact on both.....................Watson for more additional loss of playing time away from the game (he's not getting any younger and his skills will not improve without real game play experience )..............Haslam for having a team continuing to go nowhere for a more significant amount of time and money, while losing the initially anticipated window of a dream for any legitimate hopes for a SB contention (if they ever had one).
For what it's worth. According to Browns GM Andrew Berry, the low first year base salary is the same thing they did for Austin Hooper, Myles Garrett and Nick Chubb.
"Hooper signed a four-year, $42 million deal in 2020, and that included a base salary of $1.5 million in the first year. Hooper’s base salary rose each year, to $4.5 million in 2021 to $9.5 million in 2022.
Myles Garrett signed a five-year, $125 million contract extension in 2020, making him the highest-paid non-quarterback in league history at the time. That deal kicks in this year, with a base salary of $1,035,000, same as Watson. Bonuses help make Garrett a $12.9 million hit against the cap this year. His base salary rises to $17.2 million in 2023.
Nick Chubb signed a three-year extension last year, and it begins in 2022 with a base salary of $1.2 million before ballooning to $10.8 million next year. Similarly, Wyatt Teller, who’s contract was extended last year, will have a base salary of $1.5 million in 2022, the first year of the new deal, before it jumps to $12.5 million in 2023."
Andrew Berry defends Deshaun Watson’s low 2022 base salary, says it’s common practice for Browns - cleveland.com
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badboy
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To clarify those prior deals were cap related as Browns had $9 million 2021.This year apprx $48m and no cap related reason to adjust DW first year to only $10. It would've been better to load up this year as no FA signings loom. IMO, the contract was written as as middle finger to Goodel.