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paycheck71 said:
For the Browns to cut bait with Watson, the pressure would have to be too much to handle, or the suspension is too much to deal with... Let's say indefinite or 2+ full seasons. Otherwise, they're going to ride it out. IMO.
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i think this makes the most sense
covers the shield
+ is defensible considering what Zeke got (DW's misbehaviour is on a whole different level)
 
Whatever else happens getting 3 firsts and some change out of Cleveland was IMO the best trade in NFL history. Yeah the Walker trade got more returns but Hersal Walker wasn't destined to be a PR nightmare for any team he was on nor was there any chance he wouldn't actually get to play for whatever team he was traded to. Caserio didn't just sell an icebox to an Eskimo, he sold a broken icebox leaking Freon all over the floor. Devil his due to Watson's agent as well, morals aside the man did his job and found the biggest sucker with the deepest pockets.
 
maverick512000 said:
Whatever else happens getting 3 firsts and some change out of Cleveland was IMO the best trade in NFL history. Yeah the Walker trade got more returns but Hersal Walker wasn't destined to be a PR nightmare for any team he was on nor was there any chance he wouldn't actually get to play for whatever team he was traded to. Caserio didn't just sell an icebox to an Eskimo, he sold a broken icebox leaking Freon all over the floor. Devil his due to Watson's agent as well, morals aside the man did his job and found the biggest sucker with the deepest pockets.
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It was extremely nice to finally be on the better end of a trade with the Browns!!!
 
maverick512000 said:
Whatever else happens getting 3 firsts and some change out of Cleveland was IMO the best trade in NFL history. Yeah the Walker trade got more returns but Hersal Walker wasn't destined to be a PR nightmare for any team he was on nor was there any chance he wouldn't actually get to play for whatever team he was traded to. Caserio didn't just sell an icebox to an Eskimo, he sold a broken icebox leaking Freon all over the floor. Devil his due to Watson's agent as well, morals aside the man did his job and found the biggest sucker with the deepest pockets.
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I couldn’t agree more, spot on


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CloakNNNdagger said:
Deshaun Watson may ruin a lot of Cleveland Browns’ reputations
This isn’t going away, the allegations are just getting worse and more and more people are being exposed for their involvement in his activities. The strangest part is Watson isn’t just denying he never did anything, he claims he has zero ideas why he’s in trouble. Notoriously saying during questioning;


This is a man who says he has no problem, this is a man who’s lied about how many message therapists he’s had, this is a man who has made women cry and for some reason, can’t remember why. The evidence, the allegations, the revelations are all coming in. There is no hiding from this.

The worst part is the fact that the Browns are now forced to admit they either A) didn’t do any due diligence and took Watson and his attorney at their word or B) they did do their due diligence, knew this was all coming, and just didn’t care.

Frankly, I don’t know how Kevin Stefanski or Andrew Berry survive this disaster, either with their legacy or their careers. This is on them as much as Jimmy Haslam. Don’t believe for a second that it can’t get worse.

It can, and I would wager it most certainly will.
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Yep. But, the Haslams now have 230 million reasons to let their new problem child pick his GM and HC, so it's all good. I hear he's got lists and will pout if he doesn't get to use them to get his way.

maverick512000 said:
Whatever else happens getting 3 firsts and some change out of Cleveland was IMO the best trade in NFL history. Yeah the Walker trade got more returns but Hersal Walker wasn't destined to be a PR nightmare for any team he was on nor was there any chance he wouldn't actually get to play for whatever team he was traded to. Caserio didn't just sell an icebox to an Eskimo, he sold a broken icebox leaking Freon all over the floor. Devil his due to Watson's agent as well, morals aside the man did his job and found the biggest sucker with the deepest pockets.
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The optics just get better and better the farther in hindsight this deal gets. Of course, he's got to hit on those picks to build a legacy, but just getting out from under the contract, pouting diva, and PR nightmare, he has clearly been successful with clearing those hurdles.
 
maverick512000 said:
Whatever else happens getting 3 firsts and some change out of Cleveland was IMO the best trade in NFL history. Yeah the Walker trade got more returns but Hersal Walker wasn't destined to be a PR nightmare for any team he was on nor was there any chance he wouldn't actually get to play for whatever team he was traded to. Caserio didn't just sell an icebox to an Eskimo, he sold a broken icebox leaking Freon all over the floor. Devil his due to Watson's agent as well, morals aside the man did his job and found the biggest sucker with the deepest pockets.
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Great summary.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Deshaun Watson may ruin a lot of Cleveland Browns’ reputations
This isn’t going away, the allegations are just getting worse and more and more people are being exposed for their involvement in his activities. The strangest part is Watson isn’t just denying he never did anything, he claims he has zero ideas why he’s in trouble. Notoriously saying during questioning;


This is a man who says he has no problem, this is a man who’s lied about how many message therapists he’s had, this is a man who has made women cry and for some reason, can’t remember why. The evidence, the allegations, the revelations are all coming in. There is no hiding from this.

The worst part is the fact that the Browns are now forced to admit they either A) didn’t do any due diligence and took Watson and his attorney at their word or B) they did do their due diligence, knew this was all coming, and just didn’t care.

Frankly, I don’t know how Kevin Stefanski or Andrew Berry survive this disaster, either with their legacy or their careers. This is on them as much as Jimmy Haslam. Don’t believe for a second that it can’t get worse.

It can, and I would wager it most certainly will.
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From the article:

The report specifies that Watson had “more than a hundred” massages over that time period. Here’s the kicker, the whole “it’s a conspiracy” angle is about to get wrecked; the Texans knew something was going on and gave him nondisclosure agreements to help protect their asset. Even going as far as renting hotel rooms for him.

So why did the Texans give Watson NDA’s? Well, because one of the women who is now suing him, threatened to expose him before Watson requested a trade out of Houston. Sure doesn’t make sense for all these accusations to be made up, especially if the report about the Texans trying to protect him is true.
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I hate how these accusations are piling up on the Texans. I feel like the Texans have always been a target because they have deep pockets. Now they are trying to target the Texans to deflect blame from the Browns. (Sounds a lot of what the Astros went through taking the blame for a league problem that the Yankees and Red Sox were guilty of.)
 
TexansBull said:
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I hate how these accusations are piling up on the Texans. I feel like the Texans have always been a target because they have deep pockets. Now they are trying to target the Texans to deflect blame from the Browns. (Sounds a lot of what the Astros went through taking the blame for a league problem that the Yankees and Red Sox were guilty of.)
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Texans are easy target for the media, the youngest team with deep south views and values and a, relatively speaking, small fan base. Trouble with their whole "Texans gave him NDAs" narrative is that NDAs are easy to get. You can go online and download a standard NDA. Now if the Texans had paid his legal fees or set him up to consult with a lawyer then you might have some meat on the bone.
 
Time for Cleveland Browns owners to speak up, be accountable on Deshaun Watson | Opinion
Marla Ridenour
Akron Beacon Journal


BEREA, Ohio – It is time Browns ownership shared the burden.
It is time for Jimmy and Dee Haslam to address the civil lawsuits facing quarterback Deshaun Watson and take some of that responsibility off coach Kevin Stefanski.

As the count of cases filed against Watson continues to mount, the black eye the franchise is sporting grows darker by the day. Yet the Haslams remain out of the spotlight.

They spoke on Zoom March 25 following Watson’s introductory news conference, then met with the Beacon Journal and a few Cleveland outlets the following week during the NFL owners meetings at The Breakers Palm Beach.

Since then, the Watson situation has become more tenuous. The possibility that the NFL will suspend him remains as 24 women have filed civil suits accusing Watson of sexual misconduct during massage appointments.

When the Browns traded for the Houston Texans’ Watson on March 18 after a second Texas grand jury failed to indict him on criminal charges, Watson faced 22 civil suits. Investigations continue to unearth more disturbing details.

The latest came Tuesday, when a New York Times report by Jenny Vrentas said Watson saw 66 different women for massages over a span of 17 months.

Vrentas’ piece included that the Texans obtained hotel rooms Watson sometimes used for the appointments and that a staff member provided him with a non-disclosure agreement form Watson used. On Wednesday evening, Tony Buzbee, attorney for the 24 women, issued a statement that he will be adding the Texans as defendants in many of the civil suits.

Yet Stefanski continues to be the only one stepping in front of the microphones.
Every time he’s spoken in the past two weeks, it has come on the heels of more Watson news.

At the first open session of organized team activities on May 25, a segment on Watson’s legal woes on HBO’s “Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel,” which included on-camera interviews with two of his accusers, had aired the night before.

The Browns’ June 1 OTA availability came after lawsuit No. 23 had been filed on May 31.

The impending filing of the 24th civil suit was circulating during Monday’s 22nd annual Cleveland Browns Foundation Golf Tournament at Westwood Country Club, and official word came during Stefanski’s interview.

On Wednesday at the Browns’ CrossCountry Mortgage Campus, Stefanski fended off questions about the New York Times piece and whether the Browns knew about the circumstances detailed in the 24th lawsuit when they traded for Watson.

Stefanski talked for over 10 minutes and 12 of the 24 questions involved Watson, including queries about his character, standing with the Browns and the status of the league’s investigation. Another involved the Browns’ experience dealing with adversity during two years of the COVID-19 pandemic and whether backup Jacoby Brissett is getting enough practice reps with Watson’s status for the regular season uncertain.

Stefanski calmly answered all of them, many with a similar reply.

“I understand the question. I think for me, I am going to be respectful of the investigation, of the legal proceedings and I am going to let that play out,” he said.

With no end in sight to the Watson saga and an agreement in place that there will be no legal proceedings between Aug. 1 and March 1, Stefanski was asked if he was frustrated by the repeated questions.

“I would not characterize it that way,” Stefanski said. “I do understand that you have a job to do, so I am just going to provide as much information as I can, when I can.” 
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Somehow, I don't believe the Browns are going to cut Watson now as some Cleveland fans are suggesting. If the Browns were to cut Watson, it would be a record $194 million dead cap hit. :bubble:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Somehow, I don't believe the Browns are going to cut Watson now as some Cleveland fans are suggesting. If the Browns were to cut Watson, it would be a record $194 million dead cap hit. :bubble:
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The way things are headed I think the league might cut him. I didn't think that a few weeks ago.. However now that he's dragging the league through the public backlash with him and dragged one of their 32 franchises into being a defendant on 24 (and counting) civil suits.. I think everyone is realizing the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Time for Cleveland Browns owners to speak up, be accountable on Deshaun Watson | Opinion
Marla Ridenour
Akron Beacon Journal


BEREA, Ohio – It is time Browns ownership shared the burden.
It is time for Jimmy and Dee Haslam to address the civil lawsuits facing quarterback Deshaun Watson and take some of that responsibility off coach Kevin Stefanski.

As the count of cases filed against Watson continues to mount, the black eye the franchise is sporting grows darker by the day. Yet the Haslams remain out of the spotlight.

They spoke on Zoom March 25 following Watson’s introductory news conference, then met with the Beacon Journal and a few Cleveland outlets the following week during the NFL owners meetings at The Breakers Palm Beach.

Since then, the Watson situation has become more tenuous. The possibility that the NFL will suspend him remains as 24 women have filed civil suits accusing Watson of sexual misconduct during massage appointments.

When the Browns traded for the Houston Texans’ Watson on March 18 after a second Texas grand jury failed to indict him on criminal charges, Watson faced 22 civil suits. Investigations continue to unearth more disturbing details.

The latest came Tuesday, when a New York Times report by Jenny Vrentas said Watson saw 66 different women for massages over a span of 17 months.

Vrentas’ piece included that the Texans obtained hotel rooms Watson sometimes used for the appointments and that a staff member provided him with a non-disclosure agreement form Watson used. On Wednesday evening, Tony Buzbee, attorney for the 24 women, issued a statement that he will be adding the Texans as defendants in many of the civil suits.

Yet Stefanski continues to be the only one stepping in front of the microphones.
Every time he’s spoken in the past two weeks, it has come on the heels of more Watson news.

At the first open session of organized team activities on May 25, a segment on Watson’s legal woes on HBO’s “Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel,” which included on-camera interviews with two of his accusers, had aired the night before.

The Browns’ June 1 OTA availability came after lawsuit No. 23 had been filed on May 31.

The impending filing of the 24th civil suit was circulating during Monday’s 22nd annual Cleveland Browns Foundation Golf Tournament at Westwood Country Club, and official word came during Stefanski’s interview.

On Wednesday at the Browns’ CrossCountry Mortgage Campus, Stefanski fended off questions about the New York Times piece and whether the Browns knew about the circumstances detailed in the 24th lawsuit when they traded for Watson.

Stefanski talked for over 10 minutes and 12 of the 24 questions involved Watson, including queries about his character, standing with the Browns and the status of the league’s investigation. Another involved the Browns’ experience dealing with adversity during two years of the COVID-19 pandemic and whether backup Jacoby Brissett is getting enough practice reps with Watson’s status for the regular season uncertain.

Stefanski calmly answered all of them, many with a similar reply.

“I understand the question. I think for me, I am going to be respectful of the investigation, of the legal proceedings and I am going to let that play out,” he said.

With no end in sight to the Watson saga and an agreement in place that there will be no legal proceedings between Aug. 1 and March 1, Stefanski was asked if he was frustrated by the repeated questions.

“I would not characterize it that way,” Stefanski said. “I do understand that you have a job to do, so I am just going to provide as much information as I can, when I can.” 
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From the article you posted..

Watson hasn’t spoken since his introduction on March 25. He presented linebacker Anthony Walker Jr. a boxed Rolex on May 25 for giving him his No. 4, interrupting Walker’s news conference and causing an awkward scene in a blatant public relations stunt.
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Now put yourselves in the shoes of Browns fans.. A couple of months ago you watched your team trade away 3 years of draft capital (historic trade, only second to the Hershel Walker trade) and a league changing 230 million fully guaranteed contract for one player. Supposedly a transcendent young QB to lead your team to a SB and you haven't even heard from him for over 2 1/2 months!.. All the while you're getting slapped in the face with this crap everyday and the possibility of him not playing for you for multiple seasons (if at all) is becoming VERY real.

Man Buzbee should add Browns fans as plaintiffs in his civil suits.. So glad we dodged that **** storm 😁
 
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As the old saying goes.......Crooks of a feather, stick together. :thinking:

Browns remain committed to Deshaun Watson, which is their only viable option at this point
Posted by Mike Florio on June 10, 2022, 12:41 PM EDT

The NFL has plenty of options for dealing with Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson has plenty of options for dealing with his current predicament.

Then there are the Browns. What can they do at this point about the Watson situation?


Not much of anything, other than keep their heads low and their mouths shut. Which is basically what they’re doing.

They’ve already made their bed. They did so realizing that there would be some short-term pain and, ideally, long-term gains, with a franchise quarterback who will make the Browns consistent contenders for postseason appearances and
possibly Super Bowl berths.

Did they specifically realize that things would take such an ominous turn in late May and early June? Maybe, maybe not. Their investigation apparently dealt less with figuring out whether he crossed the line in the past and more with figuring out whether he’d cross the line in the future.

So now that things they knew or should have known are creating near-daily developments that make the Browns look foolish for giving up significant trade compensation and a $230 million, fully-guaranteed contract, there’s nothing they can do. Other than nothing at all.

Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that the Browns remain all in on Watson, and that they’re looking neither to void his contract nor undo the trade that sent Watson from Houston to Cleveland.

That’s the obvious approach, because nothing has occurred that would allow the Browns to do anything about the deal they did in March. The Browns have no recourse at all unless and until Watson is suspended without pay for matters not covered by the side letter regarding the matters culminating in the 22 pending lawsuits at the time the deal was done. The Browns can declare Watson to be in default on his contract only if he’s suspended without pay in 2022 or 2023 for matters falling beyond the terms of the side letter (for example, the 24th lawsuit) — or if he’s suspended without pay for any reason in 2024 or beyond.

Even if the Browns can ever pull the plug on Watson’s five years of guaranteed pay, it will be virtually impossible for the Browns to undo the trade with the Texans. The Browns knew the risk of paid leave or unpaid leave or other consequences arising from the decision to pursue and secure the rights to Deshaun Watson. Regardless of whether they did or didn’t envision the events of the past two weeks, they’re stuck with the situation.

Even if the Browns can’t wipe out the trade or, for now, erase any of Watson’s guarantees, they need to plan for the 2022 season. The sooner they know whether they’ll have Watson, the sooner they can make decisions about the quarterback position for the coming campaign. If, as it appears, the bridge between the Browns and Baker Mayfield has been obliterated, they’d need to figure out something else. Would they entrust the job for the full season to Jacoby Brissett? Would they trade Mayfield for Panthers quarterback Sam Darnold?

But few tears will be shed for the Browns. The uncertainty is another reasonable byproduct of the decision to make the trade and, in turn, to rip up a contract that otherwise ran through 2025. The Broncos got quarterback Russell Wilson without giving him a new contract on the way through the door; the Browns, thanks to the four-team chase for Watson, had no choice but to give him a market-value deal.

Well, they had a choice. They could have passed. If the people running the team were being honest, they’d surely say at this point that they wish they had.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Browns remain committed to Deshaun Watson, which is their only viable option at this point
Posted by Mike Florio on June 10, 2022, 12:41 PM EDT

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Their investigation apparently dealt less with figuring out whether he crossed the line in the past and more with figuring out whether he’d cross the line in the future.

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"Their investigation apparently dealt less with figuring out whether he crossed the line in the past and more with figuring out whether he’d cross the line in the future."

it would at minimum require DW to have accepted/admitted some level of responsibility, privately to the Browns...even then though, how can someone this foolish be trusted?
 
Browns’ Callie Brownson: Team Consulted Female Employees Before Deshaun Watson Trade
TIMOTHY RAPPJUNE 10, 2022

Cleveland Browns assistant wide receivers coach Callie Brownson said she was consulted before the team traded for quarterback Deshaun Watson, who is being sued by 24 women accusing him of sexual assault or misconduct.

"We had a lot of really healthy conversations and I appreciated that," she told Marla Ridenour of the Akron Beacon Journal on Friday. "I definitely felt like they cared about the opinions of the women in this organization. It was not neglected; it was not overlooked. They definitely spoke to those who would be involved in the organization to see what that meant.".............................................................................................................................Some critics saw that structuring as a way for the team to help financially shield him in the event he was suspended by the league this season, a possibility as the NFL's own investigation into Watson continues.

But despite those optics, the 32-year-old Brownson—who previously worked as the team's chief of staff—is comfortable with what she described as organization's priority to support diversity and inclusivity.

"It's one thing to talk the talk as it pertains to inclusion and diversity, not just hiring, but growing within," she said. "But for me to work for an organization that walks the walk with it and is invested in it and me, it’s incredible. It makes me happy that I made the decision to come here and be here with [head coach Kevin Stefanski]. He's a man of his word in that capacity from a development standpoint."

Stefanski didn't fire Brownson in 2021 after she was arrested and pleaded guilty to operating a vehicle under the influence, though she was suspended by the team.

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What the article didn't mention is that at the time of the DUI [ .215% BAC, over twice Ohio’s legal limit of .08% while driving 20 mph over the speed limit] and suspension, she was called the Brown's Chief of Staff when in fact she was only Chief of Staff of HC Stephanski [whatever that means]...........After she was reinstated by the Browns, she retained her Chief of Staff title in name only while being "promoted" to Assistant WR coach.

Gotta wonder what her BAC when she she made her statements about Watson's Brown "candidacy"............or if it was in return for her continued employment.

As a coach:
As a player:
Career history
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Stefanski didn't fire Brownson in 2021 after she was arrested and pleaded guilty to operating a vehicle under the influence, though she was suspended by the team.

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What the article didn't mention is that at the time of the DUI [ .215% BAC, over twice Ohio’s legal limit of .08% while driving 20 mph over the speed limit] and suspension, she was called the Brown's Chief of Staff when in fact she was only Chief of Staff of HC Stephanski [whatever that means]...........After she was reinstated by the Browns, she retained her Chief of Staff title in name only while being "promoted" to Assistant WR coach.

Gotta wonder what her BAC when she she made her statements about Watson's Brown "candidacy"............or if it was in return for her continued employment
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Why is this relevant. Seems like character assassination to me. The very thing we were worried about Watson's team doing
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Browns’ Callie Brownson: Team Consulted Female Employees Before Deshaun Watson Trade
TIMOTHY RAPPJUNE 10, 2022

Cleveland Browns assistant wide receivers coach Callie Brownson said she was consulted before the team traded for quarterback Deshaun Watson, who is being sued by 24 women accusing him of sexual assault or misconduct.

"We had a lot of really healthy conversations and I appreciated that," she told Marla Ridenour of the Akron Beacon Journal on Friday. "I definitely felt like they cared about the opinions of the women in this organization. It was not neglected; it was not overlooked. They definitely spoke to those who would be involved in the organization to see what that meant.".............................................................................................................................Some critics saw that structuring as a way for the team to help financially shield him in the event he was suspended by the league this season, a possibility as the NFL's own investigation into Watson continues.

But despite those optics, the 32-year-old Brownson—who previously worked as the team's chief of staff—is comfortable with what she described as organization's priority to support diversity and inclusivity.

"It's one thing to talk the talk as it pertains to inclusion and diversity, not just hiring, but growing within," she said. "But for me to work for an organization that walks the walk with it and is invested in it and me, it’s incredible. It makes me happy that I made the decision to come here and be here with [head coach Kevin Stefanski]. He's a man of his word in that capacity from a development standpoint."

Stefanski didn't fire Brownson in 2021 after she was arrested and pleaded guilty to operating a vehicle under the influence, though she was suspended by the team.

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What the article didn't mention is that at the time of the DUI [ .215% BAC, over twice Ohio’s legal limit of .08% while driving 20 mph over the speed limit] and suspension, she was called the Brown's Chief of Staff when in fact she was only Chief of Staff of HC Stephanski [whatever that means]...........After she was reinstated by the Browns, she retained her Chief of Staff title in name only while being "promoted" to Assistant WR coach.

Gotta wonder what her BAC when she she made her statements about Watson's Brown "candidacy"............or if it was in return for her continued employment.

Career history
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As a coach:
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I can’t believe that bimbo, I can only imagine what she looks like, thinks the Browns signing the sexual predator is to “support diversity and inclusivity.” So I’m guessing if the Browns didn’t go through with signing Derapist it would have been because they DO NOT “support diversity and inclusivity?” MFrs with that type of mentality sure make me sick!
 
Former NFL Executive Takes Clear Shot At Browns, Deshaun Watson

Folks around the NFL had gave the Browns a little bit of the side-eye when the team chose to deal for Deshaun Watson.

They gave them even more of one when they paid him $230 million guaranteed.
Now, former Packers executive Andrew Brandt is weighing-in on the Browns decision that looks worse by the day. Calling it "comical."

"To think [the] Browns are looking at reports and thinking 'Omg, we gotta get out of this Watson contract!' is comical," Brandt tweeted. "Reports of his behavior are no different than what's been out there for a year. Knowing this, they gave up 3 firsts and the most player-friendly contract in history."
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In case someone isn't familiar with Brandt, Andrew Brandt joined the Green Bay Packers in the past as their Vice President of Player Finance and General Counsel. Brandt negotiated all player contracts, managed the NFL Salary Cap, and handled all business-related football operations. He also served as the club's liaison with the NFL Management Council. He definitely speaks from experience when he speaks of the Browns/Watson situation.
 
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Deshaun Watson plans to train another team

A league source said Watson plans to coach another team somewhere in July. Safety Jon Johnson III also mentioned Wednesday after the OTAs that he thinks Watson may have something else planned.

It is not yet known if this session will include defensive players as well. At the end of last season, defenders such as Johnson and Greg Newsom II pointed to the disconnect between attack and defense, and group training with each other could be beneficial. Watson’s first trip to Atlantis was in the Bahamas for over 27 of his offensive teammates.

As for Garrett’s all-inclusive trip to South Beach last weekend for members of the Defensive Front, he said it was a success. Tropical Storm prevented some of their planned outdoor workouts, but they did some team bonding.
“We just lay in the sun. …do some yoga, it was just a light thing.” We didn’t do much. I had two dinners, and two lunches. What you would expect from going to South Beach. ”
 
thunderkyss said:
Why is this relevant. Seems like character assassination to me. The very thing we were worried about Watson's team doing
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You haven't figured it out? Based on some of these postings, as long as it isn't one of the women involved in the civil suits, you can take all the potshots and make all of the character assassinations you want against any woman. Don't believe me, read any post that mentions Jilly Anais.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
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Deshaun Watson plans to train another team

A league source said Watson plans to coach another team somewhere in July. Safety Jon Johnson III also mentioned Wednesday after the OTAs that he thinks Watson may have something else planned.

It is not yet known if this session will include defensive players as well. At the end of last season, defenders such as Johnson and Greg Newsom II pointed to the disconnect between attack and defense, and group training with each other could be beneficial. Watson’s first trip to Atlantis was in the Bahamas for over 27 of his offensive teammates.

As for Garrett’s all-inclusive trip to South Beach last weekend for members of the Defensive Front, he said it was a success. Tropical Storm prevented some of their planned outdoor workouts, but they did some team bonding.
“We just lay in the sun. …do some yoga, it was just a light thing.” We didn’t do much. I had two dinners, and two lunches. What you would expect from going to South Beach. ”
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I actually went into the article to read it and it is the most difficult confusing article I believe I've read in months.
 
Earl34 said:
You haven't figured it out? Based on some of these postings, as long as it isn't one of the women involved in the civil suits, you can take all the potshots and make all of the character assassinations you want against any woman. Don't believe me, read any post that mentions Jilly Anais.
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That reminds me of that time when the allegations began to surface about Watson - but before he made his trade demand - and a significant number of responses centered around the invalidity of massage therapy and the shady 'happy ending' nature of it all..
 
Earl34 said:
You haven't figured it out? Based on some of these postings, as long as it isn't one of the women involved in the civil suits, you can take all the potshots and make all of the character assassinations you want against any woman. Don't believe me, read any post that mentions Jilly Anais.
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That’s because you just can’t make this crap up. Lololol.
 
Earl34 said:
You haven't figured it out? Based on some of these postings, as long as it isn't one of the women involved in the civil suits, you can take all the potshots and make all of the character assassinations you want against any woman. Don't believe me, read any post that mentions Jilly Anais.
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I would say circumstances matter.
 
Mollywhopper said:
That reminds me of that time when the allegations began to surface about Watson - but before he made his trade demand - and a significant number of responses centered around the invalidity of massage therapy and the shady 'happy ending' nature of it all..
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He's a shady character.
 
Conversation about Watson being placed on the Commissioner's Exempt List continues to be pushed by Florio and many others. From everything that I have been able to discern, in order to prevent Goodell from making an arbitrary decision to place a player on the list, the NFLPA negotiated added language to the policy that requires the player be charged with a criminal act. It is likely that that same language was placed in the Browns/Watson contract language (because Hardin undoubtedly assured them that even if any additional accusers were to appear after the contract was signed, like all the previous others, he would see that they would never get further than a civil lawsuit) leading to the Browns sidestepping any discussion of the call for potentially voiding the contract...........because at this time, it would not be a viable option.
 
Report: Browns and Panthers still talking about Baker Mayfield, salary remains obstacle
Posted by Josh Alper on June 14, 2022, 8:52 AM EDT

The Panthers and Browns have spoken about a trade that would send quarterback Baker Mayfield to Carolina at points this offseason, but the Panthers’ demand that the Browns pick up the lion’s share of Mayfield’s $18.8 million salary have kept anything from happening.

That obstacle reportedly hasn’t gone anywhere as the Panthers close in on the end of their offseason program. Jonathan Jones of CBS Sports reports that the two teams continue to have dialogue about a trade, but that the issue of how much of Mayfield’s salary the Browns will eat remains a stumbling block.


Jones adds that the Panthers would like to get something done now so that Mayfield could get some time with the team during this week’s minicamp, but there’s no sign that anyone is budging on the salary front at this point.
 
Excerpt from Watson's Minicamp questioning:

“It’s been a long year-and-a-half, personally it’s been tough,” Watson, who noted he has used counseling resources provided by the Browns, said. “… I’m going to continue to grow as an individual, grow as a human being to be the best citizen, best person I can be.”

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As it turns out, the Browns provided Watson, who seems to be mathematically challenged (24 is not >66), with counseling on how to offer his a tip for a good massage:

If your massage costs $80.00, find 10% by moving the decimal one digit to the left. Ten percent of $80 is $8. Then, double that $8 to arrive at your 20% tip of $16. (You can also use our tip calculator to determine how much to leave.)
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Excerpt from Watson's Minicamp questioning:

“It’s been a long year-and-a-half, personally it’s been tough,” Watson, who noted he has used counseling resources provided by the Browns, said. “… I’m going to continue to grow as an individual, grow as a human being to be the best citizen, best person I can be.”

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As it turns out, the Browns provided Watson, who seems to be mathematically challenged (24 is not >66), with counseling on how offer his a tip for a good massage:

If your massage costs $80.00, find 10% by moving the decimal one digit to the left. Ten percent of $80 is $8. Then, double that $8 to arrive at your 20% tip of $16. (You can also use our tip calculator to determine how much to leave.)
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What has happened in the meantime that has stopped his need for massages to help his body be the best it can be, so he can perform at an optimal level for his new team. Is he not doing everything he can do to give the Browns their best version of Derrick possible.
 
steelbtexan said:
What has happened in the meantime that has stopped his need for massages to help his body be the best it can be, so he can perform at an optimal level for his new team. Is he not doing everything he can do to give the Browns their best version of Derrick possible.
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Looks like Watson will continue to get most of the reps with first and second teams.

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The Browns’ little camp begins with questions from Deshaun Watson, and the Linemen again
June 14, 2022 by folobooks33



Beria – Kevin Stefansky will tell you that what awaits us this week is not very different from what happened in the past few weeks.

“The way we look [offseason training activities] And minicamp, it’s really just one big stage,” the Browns coach said following their volunteer OTA training last Wednesday. You don’t change gears from OTAs to minicamp. … in general, we look at this unofficial program as one big program, if you will. We have work to do. There’s a bunch of other things we want to pin the players, get a rep, hit some reps, so we have work to do.”
However, there is one major difference. The 10 OTA drills were completely voluntary with respect to player participation.

The majority of players participated in most of those OTAs. However, there are still a few players missing from one or the other of these.
When the Browns meet on Tuesday to begin their three-day mini-camp, every player expected to be on the field in the fall will be on the field. The only excused absence is quarterback Baker Mayfield, although he is not expected to be on the field for the team in the fall either.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Excerpt from Watson's Minicamp questioning:

“It’s been a long year-and-a-half, personally it’s been tough,” Watson, who noted he has used counseling resources provided by the Browns, said. “… I’m going to continue to grow as an individual, grow as a human being to be the best citizen, best person I can be.”
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Couseling!? If there was ANY counseling, especially SUCCESSFUL counseling, Watson would have to have been able to first admit at the very least that he regrets all acts that may have led to the plaintiffs' being upset..........admit to anything that he did was wrong.......when it has become more and more obvious that he had a pattern of doing a lot of things that were wrong.

Instead, the only things he has shown regret with are blow back things that affect him..............he says he regrets the effects that showing no regrets for anything that he has done so far has had on the Browns, their fans, his teammates and his fans....................essentially only things that have had a tremendous hit to his reputation.

I can tell you as fact that if a patient is not willing to admit to his faults during his first counseling session (and that is the reason he has approached counseling), and for sure throughout his counseling, nothing good will come out of counseling. It appears then that the only real reason he may have sought couseling was for guidance on how to handle his own stress and grief............something that he will never be able to do succesfully without admitting what the root cause of the problem was to begin with. COUNSELING? A facade if it even ever occurred.........Watson seems to live in his own fantasy world where things that are important are only real to him.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Couseling!? If there was ANY counseling, especially SUCCESSFUL counseling, Watson would have to have been able to first admit at the very least that he regrets all acts that may have led to the plaintiffs' being upset..........admit to anything that he did was wrong.......when it has become more and more obvious that he had a pattern of doing a lot of things that were wrong.

Instead, the only things he has shown regret with are blow back things that affect him..............he says he regrets the effects that showing no regrets for anything that he has done so far has had on the Browns, their fans, his teammates and his fans....................essentially only things that have had a tremendous hit to his reputation.

I can tell you as fact that if a patient is not willing to admit to his faults during his first counseling session (and that is the reason he has approached counseling), and for sure throughout his counseling, nothing good will come out of counseling. It appears then that the only real reason he may have sought couseling was for guidance on how to handle his own stress and grief............something that he will never be able to do succesfully without admitting what the root cause of the problem was to begin with. COUNSELING? A facade if it even ever occurred.........Watson seems to live in his own fantasy world where things that are important are only real to him.
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You just replied to one of your own posts. I don't know, doc, it might be time for you to take a break from Watson.
 
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