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2022 OTA’s Mini Camp And Pre Season

Carr Bombed said:
There isn't a throw that Mills can't make. He has plus arm strength.
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I'll wait for that to manifest itself. To me, I see an average arm. That's not in and of itself, disqualifying. Tom Brady has had an average arm for two decades. But Tom has elite skills everywhere else that matters to a pure pocket passer. Joe Montana is another guy that had an average arm, but was elite or near elite elsewhere.

Let's see how the kid develops this year. I'm rooting hard for him as it would move the rebuild into hyper drive, but next year there are multiple QB's coming out that could be true difference makers. The Texans shouldn't let good be good enough at QB if they can upgrade to great.
 
Porky said:
I'll wait for that to manifest itself. To me, I see an average arm. That's not in and of itself, disqualifying. Tom Brady has had an average arm for two decades. But Tom has elite skills everywhere else that matters to a pure pocket passer. Joe Montana is another guy that had an average arm, but was elite or near elite elsewhere.

Let's see how the kid develops this year. I'm rooting hard for him as it would move the rebuild into hyper drive, but next year there are multiple QB's coming out that could be true difference makers. The Texans shouldn't let good be good enough at QB if they can upgrade to great.
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To be certain of getting a "great" QB is uncertain from the draft. To get one of those you need to snag a known quantity from the NFL and that will be very expensive.
 
Porky said:
I'll wait for that to manifest itself. To me, I see an average arm. That's not in and of itself, disqualifying. Tom Brady has had an average arm for two decades. But Tom has elite skills everywhere else that matters to a pure pocket passer. Joe Montana is another guy that had an average arm, but was elite or near elite elsewhere.

Let's see how the kid develops this year. I'm rooting hard for him as it would move the rebuild into hyper drive, but next year there are multiple QB's coming out that could be true difference makers. The Texans shouldn't let good be good enough at QB if they can upgrade to great.
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That wasn't the question that was asked, the question was, what throws did you see Mills struggle to make last year.

Do you think Schaub had an avg arm?
 
TheRealJoker said:
Lovie strikes me as a coach who doesn’t play coy with the media like OB. It was always an eye roll when OB would act like a first round pick wasn’t locked into a starting spot. And a complete facepalm when he actually went ahead and started Tom Savage over WD40 for a half of football.

I love that Lovie flat out said the CBs weren’t good enough last season and completely revamped the position group.

Interior OL drafted in the first round are day one starters. No sense acting like they aren’t yet.
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I can't say enough how relieved I am that Lovie Smith is our HC.

O'Brien's not a bad person, decent in some ways, but his narrow-minded stubbornness was radioactive. I try not to complain about him anymore, so I'll just leave it at that.
 
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Brisco_County said:
O'Brien's not a bad person, decent in some ways, but his narrow-minded stubbornness was radioactive. I try not to complain about him anymore, so I'll just leave it at that.
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It's not that O'Brien is a bad person, but he is a classic narcissist. The belief that he is always right, the incapability for taking responsibility when things go wrong, the never-ending thirst for power. Maybe that works if you're always right. But that wasn't Billy Oh.
 
Lucky said:
It's not that O'Brien is a bad person, but he is a classic narcissist. The belief that he is always right, the incapability for taking responsibility when things go wrong, the never-ending thirst for power. Maybe that works if you're always right. But that wasn't Billy Oh.
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It's the way successful HC like Belichick/Saban do things.

If you have BOB a highly personnel driven GM instead of a GM that had other things like chasing tail on his mind then I believe BOB could've been more successful than he was. Despite what some here think, he did have a decent level of success.

He fell into the GM job by happenstance and was way out of his depth in that role.
 
Lucky said:
It's not that O'Brien is a bad person, but he is a classic narcissist. The belief that he is always right, the incapability for taking responsibility when things go wrong, the never-ending thirst for power. Maybe that works if you're always right. But that wasn't Billy Oh.
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I don’t really even care about his personality. I don’t have to like him. & the Texans don’t win more games if I love him.

We saw the same problems, the same issues year after year. & he kept getting promoted, kept getting more responsibility. That’s what I didn’t like
 
thunderkyss said:
We saw the same problems, the same issues year after year. & he kept getting promoted, kept getting more responsibility. That’s what I didn’t like
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Some people mistake narcissism as strength and/or competence. The McNair's may have made that mistake. Many do.
 
Lucky said:
Belichick, no. You don't see a lot of self-promoting from Hoodie. I don't follow Saban closely enough to have an opinion.
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I didn't see BOB as a self promoting kind of guy.

He only got promoted because of the shenanigans of past GM's.
 
steelbtexan said:
I didn't see BOB as a self promoting kind of guy.

He only got promoted because of the shenanigans of past GM's.
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He got one GM fired in a power struggle. He hand picked the next GM, and then replaced him. The ownership could have brought in another GM, but were convinced by O'Brien (and Easterby) that BIlly Oh could handle the job.

But, believe what you want.
 
Lucky said:
He got one GM fired in a power struggle. He hand picked the next GM, and then replaced him. The ownership could have brought in another GM, but were convinced by O'Brien (and Easterby) that BIlly Oh could handle the job.

But, believe what you want.
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Exactly.
 
Lucky said:
He got one GM fired in a power struggle. He hand picked the next GM, and then replaced him. The ownership could have brought in another GM, but were convinced by O'Brien (and Easterby) that BIlly Oh could handle the job.

But, believe what you want.
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The 1st GM should have been fired before he was hired.

A dying Bob McNair didn't have it in him to do another GM search, so he stayed in house and hired Gaine.
 
steelbtexan said:
The 1st GM should have been fired before he was hired.

A dying Bob McNair didn't have it in him to do another GM search, so he stayed in house and hired Gaine.
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Moving the goal post as usual. Wtf does that have to do with anything. Like I said they were power struggling.
 
steelbtexan said:
No goalposts being moved.

1st was a fact that was proven out over time.

2nd was something I heard at the time.
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It was not a fact. Bill and Rikki having a power struggle is a fact.

Bob fired Kubiak so he had enough strength to fire Rick if he wanted too. The main reason why he fired Kubiak because Kub went against his direct order. That’s a fact as well.

Bit of course you’re going to believe your people because it drives your agenda.
 
Texansballer74 said:
It was not a fact. Bill and Rikki having a power struggle is a fact.

Bob fired Kubiak so he had enough strength to fire Rick if he wanted too. The main reason why he fired Kubiak because Kub went against his direct order. That’s a fact as well.

Bit of course you’re going to believe your people because it drives your agenda.
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Poor Bill O'Brien. He was just a quiet, innocent bystander. The McNairs didn't have any options and were forced to promote him, give him a raise, and full control of their franchise because of their previous GMs.

In a couple of years, I will not be surprise to read that it was Rick Smith who traded Hopkins and gave those contracts to Watson, Cobb, Murray, Cunningham, Mercilus and traded all those picks for Tunsil. Talk about revisionist history.

Anyway. Any other news on the OTAs?
 
Earl34 said:
Poor Bill O'Brien. He was just a quiet, innocent bystander. The McNairs didn't have any options and were forced to promote him, give him a raise, and full control of their franchise because of their previous GMs.

In a couple of years, I will not be surprise to read that it was Rick Smith who traded Hopkins and gave those contracts to Watson, Cobb, Murray, Cunningham, Mercilus and traded all those picks for Tunsil. Talk about revisionist history.

Anyway. Any other news on the OTAs?
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Nobody's saying this. I believe posters said he was out of his depth.

BOB was supposed to be keeping the GM seat warm until Caserio could get out of his Pats contract. IMHO

Of course he did damage that will take yrs to recover from in his one year as GM.

This doesn't mean RS was good at his job. In fact nobody ever answered my question of what makes y'all think RS was good at his job. The fact that he was a better GM than BOB doesn't mean he was good at his job.
 
Inside Texans running back Marlon Mack’s recovery from an Achilles tear
Brooks Kubena, Staff writer
June 7, 2022Updated: June 7, 2022 6:35 p.m.


Losing the ability to walk was agonizing for the running back who knew how to fly.

The initial month of Marlon Mack’s recovery from his Achilles tear is still a vivid memory. So is the pain that bolted into his right ankle after he pivoted on a quick hitch route in the 2020 season opener. So is the compounded frustration of a season-ending injury in a contract year, a harmful happenstance that sidelined the 6-foot, 210-pound speedster long enough that Indianapolis found his replacement by the time he returned.

The newly signed Texans running back wishes he’d had more opportunities last season to answer the health questions that still linger. Mack, 26, wanted to showcase the self-discovery his first major injury revealed. But the lesson — enjoy life, the good and the bad — supplied the strength to keep his being sidelined while watching his successor, Jonathan Taylor, blossom into an All-Pro from destroying his energy, killing his joy.

“You get over it,” Mack said after Tuesday’s offseason workout. “For the love of the game, you find a way to get through it.”

Now, Mack has a chance to reclaim his role as the feature back for a rebuilding franchise that desperately needs one. The Texans averaged their second-fewest yards per carry in history (3.4) within a dismal run-oriented 2021 scheme in which 31-year-old veteran Rex Burkhead, who started in just five games, was the team’s leading rusher with 427 yards and three touchdowns.
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TheRealJoker said:
Who is more likeable between him and Kubiak? Both players coaches.
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Lovie. Not even a close one. Lovie is hands on and teaching. As well as getting along with the players. He is the coach who is not going to yell at you or something unless you really mess up and more than once. Kubiak is a good coach and he also got along with players. However, he was not doing much coaching in reality. He was delegating to the staff. I was watching a video and saw this many times. He would at times be a bit more hands on but not as much. And not to start a war or anything but many players over the years seem to identify with a coach who was raised in similar situations to them. Gary was not raised like the players by and large. Could it be skin color or is it just ways that they are raised? Seeing minority coaches tend to be raised similar to most players. It's just cultural things I think. So if Gary had grown up dirt poor in a bad area compared to the one he was. And had to fight for many things as many players say in interviews. It would be much closer of who bonds/understands/connect with the players.
 
Earl34 said:
I heard on 610 today that there are more former players around the Texans' practices than in previous years and it appears Lovie is building a relationship with these former players and want them around the facility.
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AJ has been around a lot according to what I understand. Dre is a stand up guy and I think he also has some second thoughts about Watson and what he said. As he made it seem like he would not be around the team after what happened with Watson and how he was treated.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Lovie. Not even a close one. Lovie is hands on and teaching. As well as getting along with the players. He is the coach who is not going to yell at you or something unless you really mess up and more than once. Kubiak is a good coach and he also got along with players. However, he was not doing much coaching in reality. He was delegating to the staff. I was watching a video and saw this many times. He would at times be a bit more hands on but not as much. And not to start a war or anything but many players over the years seem to identify with a coach who was raised in similar situations to them. Gary was not raised like the players by and large. Could it be skin color or is it just ways that they are raised? Seeing minority coaches tend to be raised similar to most players. It's just cultural things I think. So if Gary had grown up dirt poor in a bad area compared to the one he was. And had to fight for many things as many players say in interviews. It would be much closer of who bonds/understands/connect with the players.
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This is true.

I don't understand why minority HC's haven't won more championships.
 
Earl34 said:
I heard on 610 today that there are more former players around the Texans' practices than in previous years and it appears Lovie is building a relationship with these former players and want them around the facility.
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Perhaps this is the done thing around some of the stronger franchises?
 
SnakeEyes said:
Lovie. Not even a close one. Lovie is hands on and teaching. As well as getting along with the players. He is the coach who is not going to yell at you or something unless you really mess up and more than once. Kubiak is a good coach and he also got along with players. However, he was not doing much coaching in reality. He was delegating to the staff. I was watching a video and saw this many times. He would at times be a bit more hands on but not as much. And not to start a war or anything but many players over the years seem to identify with a coach who was raised in similar situations to them. Gary was not raised like the players by and large. Could it be skin color or is it just ways that they are raised? Seeing minority coaches tend to be raised similar to most players. It's just cultural things I think. So if Gary had grown up dirt poor in a bad area compared to the one he was. And had to fight for many things as many players say in interviews. It would be much closer of who bonds/understands/connect with the players.
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Yes indeed skin color can certainly be a factor in how one is raised.
If we can be candid here I don't think it's a provocative statement to say that in ones youth there's definitely a correlation between race and socioeconomic surroundings, so clearly a Lovie Smith is probably more suited to be able to relate and "appreciate" a young black mans experience than would a Gary Kubiak., e.g., Smith and Kubiak most likely belong to different political parties.
 
Brisco_County said:
I can't say enough how relieved I am that Lovie Smith is our HC.

O'Brien's not a bad person, decent in some ways, but his narrow-minded stubbornness was radioactive. I try not to complain about him anymore, so I'll just leave it at that.
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Or worse. Imagine McClown coaching the team right now.
Lovie being hired was the best decision made by the Houston Texans in years considering their own options, and I don’t even know who truly hired him.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Or they hang around hoping to be signed to a one year contact. :rolleyes:

I don't understand all the Lovie love here, guess that makes me racist?

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Must be. Dude took a team to the SB 15 years ago and has been to to the playoffs just once since. He ran one of the worst defenses in football as DC last year, despite the posts that will follow this blaming everything but him. Not that he’s all to blame.

So yeah, stop being racist and get on board the Lovie train.
 
IDEXAN said:
Yes indeed skin color can certainly be a factor in how one is raised.
If we can be candid here I don't think it's a provocative statement to say that in ones youth there's definitely a correlation between race and socioeconomic surroundings, so clearly a Lovie Smith is probably more suited to be able to relate and "appreciate" a young black mans experience than would a Gary Kubiak., e.g., Smith and Kubiak most likely belong to different political parties.
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That's was well said. I was trying to be PC and not start and argument. You hear players talk alot about friends who got into trouble and football saved them or they don’t know what they would have done. And things like that. With the NFL be what 70+% African American, an African American coach is likely going to bond better and faster than a white coach. As for the white players, we are raised to respect authority (by and large) and a coach is authority. Thus, on a guess, the white players may not "bond" the same but get along with and do what is asked of them. Certainly there are exceptions such as a coach who grew up poor and in a bad part of town and fought for everything. Some of them have been very successful with bonding with players. I know Tuna was a guy who didn't have a great upbringing from things I have read. Yet LT considered him a semi father figure. Parcels also help LT (much like a father) get help for his drug issues. LT thanked him publicly. So, that is an example of a different colored coach bonding with a player to the point of father figure almost (or maybe identical to one).
 
cuppacoffee said:
Or they hang around hoping to be signed to a one year contact. :rolleyes:

I don't understand all the Lovie love here, guess that makes me racist?

:coffee:
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Because he is a good man, a good DC and was (results are not in) a good HC with the Bears. His college days were not great, that’s true. But, his teams played whistle to whistle and that shows you that they respected him. He also was on staff for some heavy hitters. Such as Mike Martz, Fulmer, Dungy to name 3. So he had some very good coaches to learn from. Been to 2 SBs as well. That is a better stat than who we have currently had at the HC spot with the Texans
 
SnakeEyes said:
That's was well said. I was trying to be PC and not start and argument. You hear players talk alot about friends who got into trouble and football saved them or they don’t know what they would have done. And things like that. With the NFL be what 70+% African American, an African American coach is likely going to bond better and faster than a white coach. As for the white players, we are raised to respect authority (by and large) and a coach is authority. Thus, on a guess, the white players may not "bond" the same but get along with and do what is asked of them. Certainly there are exceptions such as a coach who grew up poor and in a bad part of town and fought for everything. Some of them have been very successful with bonding with players. I know Tuna was a guy who didn't have a great upbringing from things I have read. Yet LT considered him a semi father figure. Parcels also help LT (much like a father) get help for his drug issues. LT thanked him publicly. So, that is an example of a different colored coach bonding with a player to the point of father figure almost (or maybe identical to one).
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Yes Sir, totally agree with all of that.
You know that possible bond you mention makes me wonder if a black coach in a pro league like the NFL wouldn't actually have an advantage.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Or they hang around hoping to be signed to a one year contact. :rolleyes:

I don't understand all the Lovie love here, guess that makes me racist?

:coffee:
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For me, it’s because Cully was so over his head and seemed so completely unable to handle the job that a Lovie Smith walking into the situation with so much confidence and understanding of the role, he’s super easy to get behind. He also comes across as a very open and down to earth person that actually cares. Easy to get behind.
 
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Jack Burton said:
Or worse. Imagine McClown coaching the team right now.
Lovie being hired was the best decision made by the Houston Texans in years considering their own options, and I don’t even know who truly hired him.
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We don't know how McCown would have done.

I'm glad things turned out the way they did.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Because he is a good man, a good DC and was (results are not in) a good HC with the Bears. His college days were not great, that’s true. But, his teams played whistle to whistle and that shows you that they respected him. He also was on staff for some heavy hitters. Such as Mike Martz, Fulmer, Dungy to name 3. So he had some very good coaches to learn from. Been to 2 SBs as well. That is a better stat than who we have currently had at the HC spot with the Texans
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While his recent resume isn't strong, Lovie is the right HC for the Texans at this time. The foundation is being built. Lovie is a great teacher.
 
IDEXAN said:
Yes Sir, totally agree with all of that.
You know that possible bond you mention makes me wonder if a black coach in a pro league like the NFL wouldn't actually have an advantage.
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History so far says the answer is no.
 
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