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All encompassing 2022 draft thoughts thread

TheRealJoker said:
Packers in particular are an ideal trade partner with two firsts and seconds with a clear need that is still relatively unadressed by the team. I think (hope) with Rodgers being more vocal with their FO he has shared his thoughts on who he wants (expects) them to acquire…. and that player just so happens to require them to move up to 13 :)
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I have noticed over the last couple of years that the Packers organization doesn't care what Rogers wants.
He gets what he is given.
 
TexansFan15 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1514684467977334791
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I'm not that versed in RAS. But I'd be somewhat suspect of his translation into the NFL. If you can't get separation, which was evident in college, you better have strength (also for blocking). The 14 reps on bench could be a fluke, but it seems to be inline with his on-field performance. His weight and strength can and will probably increase once in the NFL, but his starting points are very suspect to me. To me, if anything, he is a project.

In 2019 spring camp, he suffered a shoulder dislocation and played only 3 games in the season. In 2020, in the first game, he suffered a season-ending knee injury.
 
From Peter King. Sounds like his sources agree a trade down is more likely at 13 than at 3.


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Peter King's Football Morning In America - 12 People In NFL Draft Rooms Compare Notes

Peter King's Football Morning In America column begins with a look at the very mysterious 2022 NFL Draft, through the lens of 12 NFL people in power.
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POTENTIAL TRADES

Club executive 1: “Teams have gotten really aggressive with trades. I’m starting to hear teams offering to package picks and players to move up—not just picks. So instead of trying to trade up five spots in the first round, maybe this year you’ll see a team offering a one, a three and a player they’re down on a little.”

GM5: “If any team in the top six or eight wants to trade down, they won’t get what the trade chart says they should get. You don’t hear much trade talk till a day or two before the draft anyway—except for teams alerting you to keep them in mind if you’re thinking of moving your pick—but this isn’t the year to get rich on your high picks.”

GM4: “I laugh when I read around this time that the trade market is heating up. Most of the time, nothing really substantial happens till the day before the draft, or day of. There will be trades, but I don’t see many until after 10 [the 10th overall pick].”
 
Lucky said:
I like Jermaine Johnson more every time I watch him. Would have liked to see more runs at Johnson, though he manned up vs. Icky pretty well. If the Texans stayed at #3 and took Johnson, I would not complain.
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I like his spin move - he just went straight round Ekwonu with it.
I did like Ekwonu's pancake on Johnson too!
If we draft both of these guys, which is a possibility, I would be pretty happy.
 
I think the "I could absolutely see the #Texans going WR at 13" is a smoke screen put out by the Texans to encourage WR needy teams to call for a trade.

Jahan Dotson is unlikely to make it to #37. John Metchie is an injured slot WR, maybe top of the 4th. And Gray is a vertical receiver, also likely a 4th.
 
Lucky said:
I think the "I could absolutely see the #Texans going WR at 13" is a smoke screen put out by the Texans to encourage WR needy teams to call for a trade.

Jahan Dotson is unlikely to make it to #37. John Metchie is an injured slot WR, maybe top of the 4th. And Gray is a vertical receiver, also likely a 4th.
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This is what I was thinking since the run on WR should be around this slot.
 
TheRealJoker said:
From Peter King. Sounds like his sources agree a trade down is more likely at 13 than at 3.


profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Peter King's Football Morning In America - 12 People In NFL Draft Rooms Compare Notes

Peter King's Football Morning In America column begins with a look at the very mysterious 2022 NFL Draft, through the lens of 12 NFL people in power.
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

POTENTIAL TRADES

Club executive 1: “Teams have gotten really aggressive with trades. I’m starting to hear teams offering to package picks and players to move up—not just picks. So instead of trying to trade up five spots in the first round, maybe this year you’ll see a team offering a one, a three and a player they’re down on a little.”

GM5: “If any team in the top six or eight wants to trade down, they won’t get what the trade chart says they should get. You don’t hear much trade talk till a day or two before the draft anyway—except for teams alerting you to keep them in mind if you’re thinking of moving your pick—but this isn’t the year to get rich on your high picks.”

GM4: “I laugh when I read around this time that the trade market is heating up. Most of the time, nothing really substantial happens till the day before the draft, or day of. There will be trades, but I don’t see many until after 10 [the 10th overall pick].”
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Peter says no important trade talk hqappens until the last few days before the Draft ?
I dunno but I was thinking that was a pretty significant trade between the Eagles & the Saints last week ?
 
Lucky said:
I like Jermaine Johnson more every time I watch him. Would have liked to see more runs at Johnson, though he manned up vs. Icky pretty well. If the Texans stayed at #3 and took Johnson, I would not complain.
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Johnson is my # 2 edge rusher with Hutch #1. Thib and Travon have a lot of “projection” to their rating. I wouldn’t be surprised if Johnson goes ahead of them and breaks everyone’s mock draft.
 
Give me LG- Ekwonu, DT- Davis, and RB- Hall at 3, 13, & 37….and I think the Texans will have kicked off their draft in the right direction.

I’m also thinking DT- Ridgeway (Arkansas) could be an amazing addition up front with Davis. Ridgeway is 6-6 @ 340 lbs with a huge wingspan. Ridgeway is a run stuffer which could be a nice benefit to Davis. Cameron Thomas and Greenard would also benefit from these two monsters in the middle. Get these guys in QB’s faces and suddenly their passes are not zipping like usual…..this where speedy DB’s pay off.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Give me LG- Ekwonu, DT- Davis, and RB- Hall at 3, 13, & 37….and I think the Texans will have kicked off their draft in the right direction.

I’m also thinking DT- Ridgeway (Arkansas) could be an amazing addition up front with Davis. Ridgeway is 6-6 @ 340 lbs with a huge wingspan. Ridgeway is a run stuffer which could be a nice benefit to Davis. Cameron Thomas and Greenard would also benefit from these two monsters in the middle. Get these guys in QB’s faces and suddenly their passes are not zipping like usual…..this where speedy DB’s pay off.
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Your top 3 would contribute a lot to running the ball and stopping the run.

Ridgeway however would be a redundant selection. Lovie is not going to select two big huge NTs in his system. Just grabbing Davis is a bit of a pipe dream and only can think of it because Davis moves like a smaller DT.

6’1” - 6’3” 300 range is the profile Lovie looks for in his system. Even Roy Lopez, last year’s starting NT measured 6’1.5” 304 at his pro day.

2021 Draft Scout Roy Lopez - DT - Arizona

2021 Draft Scout Roy Lopez - DT - Arizona
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leebigeztx said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1515338636564340749
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I have to disagree with Payne's take, across the board. Penning is a fantastic athlete for an OT, and plays with a demeanor that many coaches would like. I can see where a Tom Coughlin and Tony Dungy might not have liked Penning's style. Al Davis and Mike Ditka would have loved Penning.

Here's a video of Penning's day in the Senior Bowl "pit". He doesn't win every rep. He doesn't throw every rusher down. What Penning does do is give no quarter. He's coming 100%, 100% of the time. And in a drill that totally favors the rusher, Penning handles his job. Trevor Penning is going in the 1st round and a team will be lucky to have him.

 
Lucky said:
I think the "I could absolutely see the #Texans going WR at 13" is a smoke screen put out by the Texans to encourage WR needy teams to call for a trade.

Jahan Dotson is unlikely to make it to #37. John Metchie is an injured slot WR, maybe top of the 4th. And Gray is a vertical receiver, also likely a 4th.
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Maybe...but there is a ton of depth at WR. There's plenty of ripe fruit on the apple tree so why give up day two picks when you can just get another guy? There's not one clear cut guy who is the class of the class. We don't even know who the first guy off the board is. Although he's coming off the ACL, I have Jameson Williams number 1, but I've seen 3 or 4 others mocked as the first WR.
 
Lucky said:
I have to disagree with Payne's take, across the board. Penning is a fantastic athlete for an OT, and plays with a demeanor that many coaches would like. I can see where a Tom Coughlin and Tony Dungy might not have liked Penning's style. Al Davis and Mike Ditka would have loved Penning.

Here's a video of Penning's day in the Senior Bowl "pit". He doesn't win every rep. He doesn't throw every rusher down. What Penning does do is give no quarter. He's coming 100%, 100% of the time. And in a drill that totally favors the rusher, Penning handles his job. Trevor Penning is going in the 1st round and a team will be lucky to have him.

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Seth hates Penning, especially as a first rounder. All due respect, I'll trust a former NFL DLineman over Lucky.

I'd pass on Penning in the first round. If he's there in the 2nd, I'd consider him.
 
Porky said:
Seth hates Penning, especially as a first rounder. All due respect, I'll trust a former NFL DLineman over Lucky.
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Understandable. But the fact is that Payne never gave a good reason for not dissing Penning as a prospect. I doubt many NFL teams have a problem with Penning's aggression, or we would have heard about it after the Senior Bowl.
 
steelbtexan said:
The pick at #3 for me is between Neal/Sauce/Johnson.

I'm thinking Walker/Hutch will be gone.
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I like Sauce, but I keep looking at his build. He doesn't have a significant injury history, but at ~6'3" and ~190# I certainly worry about his NFL durability. His tackling has also been quite dubious. He seems to have a difficult time bringing his man down. Some analysts are saying, he'll put on significant weight/muscle when he comes to the NFL and that and coaching will improve his tackling. Looking at his build again, he is very small boned which limits one's ability to put on significant weight and muscle............even if possible, while maintaining performance.

You only have to look back at Kevin Johnson who came into the League at 6'1" and 180#. The same was said of him.........no significant college injury history, his questionable tackling will improve with NFL weight gain. The trainers tried to put some weight/muscle on him with little success. His tackling really never got good. And his injuries piled up very quickly.

The NFL can expose player weaknesses very quickly............weaknesses that can often be masked much easier in college.
 
Lucky said:
I have to disagree with Payne's take, across the board. Penning is a fantastic athlete for an OT, and plays with a demeanor that many coaches would like. I can see where a Tom Coughlin and Tony Dungy might not have liked Penning's style. Al Davis and Mike Ditka would have loved Penning.

Here's a video of Penning's day in the Senior Bowl "pit". He doesn't win every rep. He doesn't throw every rusher down. What Penning does do is give no quarter. He's coming 100%, 100% of the time. And in a drill that totally favors the rusher, Penning handles his job. Trevor Penning is going in the 1st round and a team will be lucky to have him.

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Penning was getting dogged by a dude 100lbs lighter
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I like Sauce, but I keep looking at his build. He doesn't have a significant injury history, but at ~6'3" and ~190# I certainly worry about his NFL durability. His tackling has also been quite dubious. He seems to have a difficult time bringing his man down. Some analysts are saying, he'll put on significant weight/muscle when he comes to the NFL and that and coaching will improve his tackling. Looking at his build again, he is very small boned which limits one's ability to put on significant weight and muscle............even if possible, while maintaining performance.

You only have to look back at Kevin Johnson who came into the League at 6'1" and 180#. The same was said of him.........no significant college injury history, his questionable tackling will improve with NFL weight gain. The trainers tried to put some weight/muscle on him with little success. His tackling really never got good. And his injuries piled up very quickly.

The NFL can expose player weaknesses very quickly............weaknesses that can often be masked much easier in college.
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How big was Cromartie and Sherman? Revis wasn't a good tackler, but he locked dudes down. Nobody expects a corner to be antonio winnfield, just be a solid effort tackler.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
I like Sauce, but I keep looking at his build. He doesn't have a significant injury history, but at ~6'3" and ~190# I certainly worry about his NFL durability. His tackling has also been quite dubious. He seems to have a difficult time bringing his man down. Some analysts are saying, he'll put on significant weight/muscle when he comes to the NFL and that and coaching will improve his tackling. Looking at his build again, he is very small boned which limits one's ability to put on significant weight and muscle............even if possible, while maintaining performance.

You only have to look back at Kevin Johnson who came into the League at 6'1" and 180#. The same was said of him.........no significant college injury history, his questionable tackling will improve with NFL weight gain. The trainers tried to put some weight/muscle on him with little success. His tackling really never got good. And his injuries piled up very quickly.

The NFL can expose player weaknesses very quickly............weaknesses that can often be masked much easier in college.
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Kevin Johnson was also a injury prone player in college. He thought by throwing his body around it would help tackle people. Again, your primary job is coverage. If you're an elite cover man, nobody expects you to be a great tackler.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Your top 3 would contribute a lot to running the ball and stopping the run.

Ridgeway however would be a redundant selection. Lovie is not going to select two big huge NTs in his system. Just grabbing Davis is a bit of a pipe dream and only can think of it because Davis moves like a smaller DT.

6’1” - 6’3” 300 range is the profile Lovie looks for in his system. Even Roy Lopez, last year’s starting NT measured 6’1.5” 304 at his pro day.

2021 Draft Scout Roy Lopez - DT - Arizona

2021 Draft Scout Roy Lopez - DT - Arizona
draftscout.com
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Texans current depth chart shows a low personnel situation at DT. Getting Davis and Ridgeway certainly adds some top notch talent at a position of need but a couple of guys who could be outstanding at crushing the run and potentially being able to get after the QB…..could see that coming more from Davis. Both could be disruptive in the passing game by getting those long limbs up in the air and forcing QB’s to throw around their big mitts. As for their size…..as long as they can move and do the job they’re asked to do, I doubt Lovie has any concerns as to what size those athletes come in.
 
Red Flags for Georgia DT

Walter Football is reporting that more than one team has taken rising Georgia DT Devonte Wyatt off their board as a result of character concerns stemming from several incidents of domestic violence. Wyatt was reportedly arrested for family violence in February of 2020 which led teams to find three other incidents of domestic violence in his background. Wyatt, who was a key member of the Bulldogs’ 2021 national championship defensive line had a strong combine and has been consistently mocked in the latter part of the opening round. He has also had pre-draft visits with at least a half a dozen teams including Green Bay, Kansas City, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Las Vegas and the NY Jets.
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Wyatt had been arrested for kicking down the door of his girlfriend in 2020. Reportedly, other incidents have come to light. I thought the NFL was supposed to investigate these players prior to inviting them to the combine?
 
leebigeztx said:
Kevin Johnson was also a injury prone player in college. He thought by throwing his body around it would help tackle people. Again, your primary job is coverage. If you're an elite cover man, nobody expects you to be a great tackler.
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I don't believe so.............

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2015 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Wake Forest Cornerback Kevin Johnson

Cornerback Kevin Johnson made 41 career starts while at Wake Forest.
By Aron Yohannes Apr 13, 2015, 10:00am CDT


Behind Michigan State's Trae Waynes, cornerback Wake Forest Kevin Johnson should be one of the next dominoes to fall at the position in the 2015 NFL Draft, along with Washington's Marcus Peters. The Green Bay Packers are one of several teams that might add a corner like Johnson, whose production, athleticism and aggressiveness make him a possibility in the first round.
Here's my evaluation of the Clarksville, MD native with some highlights from his game against the Clemson Tigers.

Pros

First off, Johnson was extremely durable in college. As a four-year starter for the Demon Deacons, Johnson never missed a game due to injury and and made 41 starts in 47 games played, on top of earning all-conference recognition for four years.

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And BTW, a cornerback can't be a liability in any way in the tackling game. Otherwise, he’ll be a serious detriment to an NFL defense more often than not.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I don't believe so.............

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2015 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Wake Forest Cornerback Kevin Johnson

Cornerback Kevin Johnson made 41 career starts while at Wake Forest.
By Aron Yohannes Apr 13, 2015, 10:00am CDT


Behind Michigan State's Trae Waynes, cornerback Wake Forest Kevin Johnson should be one of the next dominoes to fall at the position in the 2015 NFL Draft, along with Washington's Marcus Peters. The Green Bay Packers are one of several teams that might add a corner like Johnson, whose production, athleticism and aggressiveness make him a possibility in the first round.
Here's my evaluation of the Clarksville, MD native with some highlights from his game against the Clemson Tigers.

Pros

First off, Johnson was extremely durable in college. As a four-year starter for the Demon Deacons, Johnson never missed a game due to injury and and made 41 starts in 47 games played, on top of earning all-conference recognition for four years.

THE REST OF THE STORY

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And BTW, a cornerback can't be a liability in any way in the tackling game. Otherwise, he’ll be a serious detriment to an NFL defense more often than not.
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Tell that to Deion and Revis and the countless cb's who never really tackled.
 
Lucky said:
Red Flags for Georgia DT


Wyatt had been arrested for kicking down the door of his girlfriend in 2020. Reportedly, other incidents have come to light. I thought the NFL was supposed to investigate these players prior to inviting them to the combine?
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Right in line with recruiting players with questionable character, to play along with established NFL players with questionable character.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Right in line with recruiting players with questionable character, to play along with established NFL players with questionable players.
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I guess my question is, will all 32 teams need a team of P.I.'s scattered across the country? Or will the NFL do this on a collective basis?

Looks like the answer to question #2 is no. At least not adequately. I've already penciled Wyatt in as one of the Cowboys 4 5th round picks.
 
pirbroke said:
I might be wrong but I think we didn’t draft anyone we had a visit with last year. With all the picks this year I don’t think that would happen again. And you would think they would mix it up some to not show a pattern.
Just something to ponder


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Sometimes I think it is just a smokescreen.
But yes, you may be right and this draft they might take a bunch from the visits list.
You can bet some teams will have all that data on all teams, right down to combine meetings.
 
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