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What Grade Did Caserio Get on Watson Trade?

mws said:
These were the draft choices receieved along with the players traded. They had nothing to do with cuts.

The Cowboys traded running back Herschel Walker along with three draft choices (a third and 10th-round choice in 1990 and a third-round choice in 1991) to the Vikings. In return, the Cowboys received linebackers Jesse Solomon and David Howard, cornerback Issiac Holt, and defensive end Alex Stewart. In addition to the players, the Cowboys received Minnesota’s first, second, and sixth-round pick in 1990; first and second-round pick in 1991; and first, second and third-round draft pick in 1992. Dallas also received running back Darrin Nelson from Minnesota who they promptly traded to the San Diego Chargers for a fifth-round choice in 1990. This pick was then sent to Minnesota. In all, the trade involved 18 players (actual players plus draft picks).
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That was the latter stages of the 20th century about the time the NFL was discovering the forward pass and when running backs were still somewhat valued, but today Herschel Walker might fetch a 2nd round pick from a couple teams, tops.
 
Jayded said:
I'd give him a C-. He went in getting a C by dictating what he was after and he got less than what he was initially hoping for. I think he let Watson and that contract the Browns waived in front of him get too far in front of what he should have been to make a better deal.

Houston is multiple pieces away from competing and with only one asset in 2022, I don't like this deal. The future picks, other than possibly the 2023 contingent upon Watson's suspension are less appealing because of who we traded him to (Carolina, Atlanta future picks would be more valuable even with Watson because the teams aren't really ready to compete as much as Cleveland). Given that Watson picked the best team after him, we ideally should have gotten more assets given the lesser value of the future picks. He got his 3 1sts, hence the C, but the minus with the late round picks and no players or additional 2022 assets.
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He got three 1st rd picks. It's only been done once in a trade. That's certainly not a C- trade. Maybe Caserio thinks Derrick will be suspended for next yr and those future picks will be worth more.
 
Texans: A
It may have taken a bit longer than expected when Watson originally requested a trade after the 2020 season, but the Houston Texans landed on their feet quite well. To get the haul of this magnitude for a player that has as much off-the-field uncertainty as Watson does (even as he won't face criminal charges), it says just as much about Nick Caserio's prowess as it does the quarterback's immense talent. This was just the second time in NFL history in which one team traded three first-round picks (the Herschel Walker trade).

With Houston in a full rebuild, getting as many cracks as possible in the first round is vital to turning the franchise around in relatively short order. Having so many firsts also gives them the flexibility to move freely around the draft board if they identify a
aft board if they identify a replacement for Watson in the future if 2021 third-rounder Davis Mills proves not to be the answer under center.

Of course, the only way this trade is truly a good move by the Texans is if they actually hit on the majority of these picks, which we won't know for about another decade. Strictly in regards to the haul of picks, however, you can't find many returns like this in league history.
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Deshaun Watson trade grades: Texans get 'A' for historic haul while Browns land star QB

Here's how we grade the Deshaun Watson blockbuster between Houston and Cleveland
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Yep everybody has an opinion on this transaction, so here's what the guys @ CBS Sports had to say.
 
IDEXAN said:
Texans: A
It may have taken a bit longer than expected when Watson originally requested a trade after the 2020 season, but the Houston Texans landed on their feet quite well. To get the haul of this magnitude for a player that has as much off-the-field uncertainty as Watson does (even as he won't face criminal charges), it says just as much about Nick Caserio's prowess as it does the quarterback's immense talent. This was just the second time in NFL history in which one team traded three first-round picks (the Herschel Walker trade).

With Houston in a full rebuild, getting as many cracks as possible in the first round is vital to turning the franchise around in relatively short order. Having so many firsts also gives them the flexibility to move freely around the draft board if they identify a
aft board if they identify a replacement for Watson in the future if 2021 third-rounder Davis Mills proves not to be the answer under center.

Of course, the only way this trade is truly a good move by the Texans is if they actually hit on the majority of these picks, which we won't know for about another decade. Strictly in regards to the haul of picks, however, you can't find many returns like this in league history.
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Deshaun Watson trade grades: Texans get 'A' for historic haul while Browns land star QB

Here's how we grade the Deshaun Watson blockbuster between Houston and Cleveland
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Yep everybody has an opinion on this transaction, so here's what the guys @ CBS Sports had to say.
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Agree
A lot of people forget that players with unsavory episodes in their life are shunned by many teams and make most - if not all, leary.
If he had a squeaky clean past, there would likely have been many more players in the mix for his services and that competition would have driven the price higher.
So for mine, I think we should count our blessings and enjoy what we got - iow, don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
 
mussop said:
And yet they were lining up and

bullshit. He was contractually obligated to play. No way would of been able to play hurt for four years and no way he would’ve wanted to do that. Casserole had him bent over a barrel with the ability to refuse to trade him and suspend him and fine him. He needs money now to get these lawsuits paid off and behind him and I guarantee he wants back on the field NOW.
All casserole had to say was I’ll sit on your contract for the next four years of you don’t play fare.

I don’t care if it took another year his ass wouldn’t be going anywhere until he agreed to those terms. That was the way it should’ve been handled.
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A team cannot suspend (which is without pay) a player..........they can fine him..............and they can make him inactive for a very limited period of time as a team punishment. Technically, Watson could have had a "back problem" anytime preseason, and he would have been placed on IR and thus not be eligible for designation to return anytime for the season...............easily repeated each year if he wanted.............and team would have had to pay him throughout (further increasing the dead money). Caserio didn't have the key to the Watson issue.

But the NFL did. I haven't heard anything mentioned about what I am about to present.

From the NFL Personal Conduct Policy:

"In investigating a potential violation, the league may rely on information obtained by law enforcement agencies, court records, or independent investigations conducted at the direction of the NFL. League and team employees including players are required to cooperate in any such investigation and are obligated to be fully responsive and truthful in responding to requests from investigators for information (testimony, documents, physical evidence, or other information) that may bear on whether the Policy has been violated. A failure to cooperate with an investigation or to be truthful in responding to inquiries will be separate grounds for disciplinary action. Players who are interviewed in the course of an investigation may be accompanied by an NFLPA representative as provided by Article 51, Section 11 of the CBA.

Because the Fifth Amendment’s protection against self-incrimination does not apply in a workplace investigation, the league will reserve the right to compel a player to cooperate in its investigations even when he is the target of a pending law enforcement investigation or proceeding. A player’s refusal to speak to a league investigator under such circumstances will not preclude an investigation from proceeding or discipline from being imposed. "

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During depositions prior to the Grand Jury, Watson legally pleaded the fifth. With the Grand Jury, Watson was not made to appear because Hardin made it clear that it would be a waste of the Grand Jury's time, since Watson would take his legal opportunity again to plead the 5th. The Grand Jury made its decision without being able to question and get answers to their questions. Had the NFL called him in at any time, Watson could not have hidden behind the shield of the fifth amendment.

Goodell and the League allowed this charade of justice to go on unchallenged.........that ultimately led to the arrogance creating the fiasco that led to a ridiculously exorbitant contract structured in order to avoid significant impending well-deserved monetary portion of punishment ................and adversely severely affected not only the Texans, but also so many other teams, owners, quarterbacks and other players.............in fact, the entire League.

No, Caserio didn't have the key............the NFL League office did all along.
 
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mussop said:
bullshit. He was contractually obligated to play. No way would of been able to play hurt for four years and no way he would’ve wanted to do that. Casserole had him bent over a barrel with the ability to refuse to trade him and suspend him and fine him. He needs money now to get these lawsuits paid off and behind him and I guarantee he wants back on the field NOW.
All casserole had to say was I’ll sit on your contract for the next four years of you don’t play fare.

I don’t care if it took another year his ass wouldn’t be going anywhere until he agreed to those terms. That was the way it should’ve been handled.
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Again complete lack of understanding how the NFL works. No team can fine a player nor can they suspend in the manner you are talking about. Even the very limited fine they can do can be challenged and even go court in which case most likely Watson would have won. For the type of hardball you are talking about that has to come from the league itself. Forget Watson and Caserio for a moment look at all the times player have screwed over a team and there was nothing to be done about it. Jalan Ramsey had a back injury that magically healed the moment he got traded. Both the Raiders and later the Buccs dealt with the insanity that is AB and all they could do was cut him.

Players screwing over teams is happening more and more and I have a feeling the next CBA the owners are go to come down hard on it. These diva “superstars” are screwing things over for teams just like NBA players do and in the process they are going to mostly hurt the average, run of the mill players that are the backbone of the league.

Watson under both his contract with the Texans and especially now with the Browns never had to step foot on a field again and he would get paid. The only one that could stop him is Goodell an we’ve all seen how gutless he is when it comes to taking a stand.
 
Texian said:
Hey Jimmy, Hey Andrew, Congratulations on coming to terms with DeShaun and that record setting offer.

Listen, I think we can finish this up in matter of minutes here. As you know Nick Caserio's original ask was only a minimum that got your foot in door and allowed you to speak with Deshaun. Now that we are here in the 9th inning, all that is left to do is hammer out our agreed compensation.

I'm not going to ask for another record setting deal. The bar has been set and the market has been set with the Russell Wilson trade to the Broncos. I think we all can agree on that. That's were I want to go and where we should start. I think we can do this in 5 minutes. OK, you got pens and pads ready? This is what I need to make this thing happen and will close the deal:

2022 your 1st RD pick #13 and your 2nd RD pick #44. In 2023, your 1st and 2nd RD picks. Because DeShaun is 7 years younger than Russell and will play in 200 games for you, 100 more than Russell will play for the Broncos we have to have your 2024 1st RD pick. That covers the draft picks.

Now on to the players that will wrap this all up:

Baker Mayfield. You took away our nightmare and headache and we can do the same for you.

Our Head Coach Lovie Smith is partial to one of two on your defense, LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoraj or SS Grant Delpit. And finally the guy that can put this all to bed, backup DT Tommy Togai. If you don't like this we can start over with Myles Garrett instead of Baker Mayfield?

This puts us on par with the Wilson trade here. I'm not going to try and one up you and do one better than the Wilson trade. If you want some time to think it over I understand. I just want you to know our asking price is not going down, it will only go up. Tomorrow a 2025 1st RD will be added to the deal. If you don't agree to our asking price then we will not trade DeShaun Watson to you and when I hang up my next call will be to Athur Blank and the Atlanta Falcons. I'm sure Arthur would love a chance to get back in this thing. Arthur may have a change of mind just like you did.

What's that, your fine with the proposal. We can have Delpit. OK then we can draw up the paperwork and send it in to the NFL? OK then you guys got yourself one hell of a franchise QB. Congratulations!
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Hey Nick, DeShaun here. My agent just got off the phone with the Browns again and learned you are trying to get more out of them. Yeah listen that’s not going to work for me so how about you back down and just enjoy those three 1st rounds picks you’re getting.

No I don’t care about no Russel Wilson trade or about your trade value crap. What I care about is getting this done and getting out of here. Oh sure Nick you go ahead and cancel that trade but just so you know Browns just became the only team I’ll wave my NTC for. Sure go ahead and call up the Falcons and while I love me some dirty birds we both know that they have neither the money nor the on field talent to match the Browns plus they already basically said no about guaranteeing the full amount. You know how much I hate people saying no to me Nick.

Now this has been a blast Nick but I’ve got to head out. Oh and just so you know Nick if you have any thoughts of just keeping me on the roster and trying to make me play I’ve been having some back issues recently that could flare up at anytime, like say during the preseason. In fact I have an appointment with a massage therapist today about it.

So yeah just give Cleveland a call and say you were just fooling and the original terms are good. Peace out Nick.
 
I’m switching my grade this morning from an A to an A+. The plus because it has pissed off the usual suspects. if this trade makes them whine even more it is crystal clear what they really are about. Some are so squeezed they have moved from griping about the picks to being cornered into griping about what the Texans might do with them. At the end of the day it is clear that they are only that…gripers. The Texans are just another outlet for their complaints. That is all. Football really has nothing to do with it in reality.
 
leebigeztx said:
I don't know why people can't let the trade marinate. Nobody will know who won until 3 years or so. Once he gets on the field, he's going to look like they won they trade. If Nick hits on the picks and is around long enough to get a top shelf qb and win games, then the trade will be looked at diffrently
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It's like this you can marinate a 1 lb roast or you can marinate 3 lb roast. Regardless the roast cost the same.
 
Texazan said:
BS, we now know he was going to go where the guaranteed money was. That was the be all end all. Obviously CLE was the ONLY org willing to do that hence the eleventh hour deal with them. You, I, no one saw that coming. Again, whose to say Cal didn’t get involved and say just get it done? You have no clue about what occurred behind closed doors, its ok to admit that
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Exactly and if ATL had met the $230MM GTD DW4 would be a Falcon today. Make no BS about it. I do know that what went on behind closed doors is the boys in the Kirby Boardroom got played or are just dumb as hell. Probably both.
 
beerlover said:
Sounds like Watson’s agent, David Mulugheta, orchestrated this whole enchilada.
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And pretty much fuccd all future athletes in the process. MuluGhetto and Derapist will get what’s coming to them. The NFL is not going to allow these clowns to set a precedent. I hope Nick gets us a good pass rusher and a good linebacker so they can punish that boy when we play The Browns this year!
 
Texian said:
Exactly and if ATL had met the $230MM GTD DW4 would be a Falcon today. Make no BS about it. I do know that what went on behind closed doors is the boys in the Kirby Boardroom got played or are just dumb as hell. Probably both.
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That is pure speculation on you part and shows no thought went into it. If the offers were truly the same, Atlanta would be crippled for years and years. Browns are ready to win now
 
Texansphan said:
Agree
A lot of people forget that players with unsavory episodes in their life are shunned by many teams and make most - if not all, leary.
If he had a squeaky clean past, there would likely have been many more players in the mix for his services and that competition would have driven the price higher.
So for mine, I think we should count our blessings and enjoy what we got - iow, don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
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True dat !
 
mussop said:
Yet teams were lining up and practically begging him to come play for them. Even at risk of alienating their starting QBs.
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You are so on point here. Imagine how much more we could have gotten if Watson didn’t have that cloud hanging over his head. I’m sure we all agree that Deshaun’s circumstance made it more difficult to get the most value for his off the charts on field ability. It would have made it so much easier to focus exclusively on Caserio‘s ability to get value chart fair return if the players were all just inanimate chess pieces. Everyone agrees that Deshaun‘s circumstances made it more difficult to get the best possible return for his football talent right? If you want to bash Caserio fine but you have no credibility if you are unable to at least acknowledge this factor.
 
leebigeztx said:
I don't know why people can't let the trade marinate. Nobody will know who won until 3 years or so. Once he gets on the field, he's going to look like they won they trade. If Nick hits on the picks and is around long enough to get a top shelf qb and win games, then the trade will be looked at diffrently
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It's like buying a Bowflex for full retail

It's a bad move overall. No way anyone can look at that as a good decision.

Now the guy may use it religiously the rest of his life & improve his health tremendously.

He still could have got a better deal on the Bowflex & tremendously improved his health.
 
Bluehen Texan said:
You are so on point here. Imagine how much more we could have gotten if Watson didn’t have that cloud hanging over his head. I’m sure we all agree that Deshaun’s circumstance made it more difficult to get the most value for his off the charts on field ability.
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I think it's this kind of thinking that limited what the Texans got.

Nick set the table at three 1st round picks & two additional pieces. He didn't have to be so vague on the two additional pieces, or the three 1s to tell you the truth.

Granted "everyone" thought Nick was asking too much.

Hindsight, Nick should have asked for more.

But... the real kicker was the contract negotiations. That should have never been allowed. That's what pushed Carolina & Atlanta from the table.

Hindsight, if it was only allowed that a team agree to negotiating a new contract, maybe specifying the scope.

But this deal being held up on guaranteeing 3rd & 4th years? That's ridiculous
 
thunderkyss said:
I think it's this kind of thinking that limited what the Texans got.

Nick set the table at three 1st round picks & two additional pieces. He didn't have to be so vague on the two additional pieces, or the three 1s to tell you the truth.

Granted "everyone" thought Nick was asking too much.

Hindsight, Nick should have asked for more.

But... the real kicker was the contract negotiations. That should have never been allowed. That's what pushed Carolina & Atlanta from the table.

Hindsight, if it was only allowed that a team agree to negotiating a new contract, maybe specifying the scope.

But this deal being held up on guaranteeing 3rd & 4th years? That's ridiculous
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But that contract negotiation bit could totally have been Mulaghetta's condition to waive the NTC. Caserio basically could only negotiate the compensation to the Texans. Any team that met his minimum then had to convince DW4 to choose them.

It didn't matter which team had the sweeter deal for the Texans.

If DW4 had waived the NTC for each of these teams up front, then it would have been in Caserio's court to negotiate the best deal for the Texans. And frankly that's what I assumed had happened.

But I was wrong.

I think of the 4 teams negotiating, the Browns were the only ones to figure out who they really had to convince and how to convince him, or they were the only ones willing to risk that much.

The only other choice for Caserio was to threaten another year of DW4 on our bench doing nothing, and I think most of us can agree that getting him off our cap and off our team was the main priority. Most of us.
 
Xopher said:
So what if Watson said "Fine. Don't trade me. I'll collect my money and go through therapy for this hamstring I just pulled. Ouch it hurts. Yeah I'm not going to Atlanta. Cleveland or nothing."? Do you really think Cal was going to let Watson stay on the team? Who know what Nick did after Watson made his decision. Maybe Watson and Cleveland talked and Cleveland knew Watson wasn't going anywhere but there. That cut a ton of Nick's leverage. He was fighting Watson, Cleveland, and Cal. I wanted more. Almost all of us wanted more, I think Nick got the best he could get under the circumstances. Texian is over there playing "should, coulda, woulda." Caserio was playing poker while holding a hand with just an Ace high.
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You can put players through a stress test to test injuries.I'm not complaining because obviously the owners signed off on trading him just as they signed off on trading Hopkins.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think it's this kind of thinking that limited what the Texans got.

Nick set the table at three 1st round picks & two additional pieces. He didn't have to be so vague on the two additional pieces, or the three 1s to tell you the truth.

Granted "everyone" thought Nick was asking too much.

Hindsight, Nick should have asked for more.

But... the real kicker was the contract negotiations. That should have never been allowed. That's what pushed Carolina & Atlanta from the table.

Hindsight, if it was only allowed that a team agree to negotiating a new contract, maybe specifying the scope.

But this deal being held up on guaranteeing 3rd & 4th years? That's ridiculous
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How can Nick control contract negotiations between other teams? If Atlanta and Carolina wanted him, they could've guaranteed the 3rd and 4th year.
 
JB said:
That is pure speculation on you part and shows no thought went into it. If the offers were truly the same, Atlanta would be crippled for years and years. Browns are ready to win now
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Exactly! The Browns, whom I said were best for him because of their roster talent. They've made a quick decision on a qb the drafted 1st overrall. Dorsey and this new gm know how to find players in the draft it seems. In the same draft Sony Michell was drafted by Hoodie and Caserio, the better player Chubb was drafted by Cleveland. I mean, if not for a fumble through the endzone in the playoffs, they had KC beat after destroying their arch rival steelers. You can't have a quarter sized hole in your roster thats ready to win something the Colts are experiencing right now. Maybe he played the leverage game with teams, so what? Early in the franchise cap era my close friend signed a 5yr 20m deal as a lb and was cut the last year because he wouldn't restructure. Teams do it all the time and no one complains. Kirk Freaking Cousins just got re-upped again and Matt Stafford was consistently taking the biggest contract possible despite not having a playoff win and having a losing record. Cleveland has 25m of cap space and still has Baker Mayfield on the roster.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think it's this kind of thinking that limited what the Texans got.

Nick set the table at three 1st round picks & two additional pieces. He didn't have to be so vague on the two additional pieces, or the three 1s to tell you the truth.

Granted "everyone" thought Nick was asking too much.

Hindsight, Nick should have asked for more.

But... the real kicker was the contract negotiations. That should have never been allowed. That's what pushed Carolina & Atlanta from the table.

Hindsight, if it was only allowed that a team agree to negotiating a new contract, maybe specifying the scope.

But this deal being held up on guaranteeing 3rd & 4th years? That's ridiculous
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I’m not discussing or questioning whether we could have done better under the circumstances. Maybe we could have. I’m discussing whether Deshaun’s past hindered the ceiling of what we could‘ve gotten back. “this kind of thinking“? It’s reality (not thinking or opinion) that Watson‘s questionable character and actions played a role in what we received isn’t? Do you admit that Watson’s actions limited what we got? What’s so hard about accepting that the Texans were at a disadvantage to begin with? Come on people. Say it. Deshaun put us in a bad spot.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
But that contract negotiation bit could totally have been Mulaghetta's condition to waive the NTC.
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I'm sure it was. I'm just not into letting the other guy get everything he wants.

I let them put it on the table, but as a yes/no the contract would be negotiated.

Maybe Nick didn't care, as long as he got those three 1s & Watson out. That's fine. But I'm saying in hindsight.

The only deal I'd have been upset with was NO. Their pick was too low & are going to be too low.

The Pencil Neck said:
It didn't matter which team had the sweeter deal for the Texans.
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I understand why you believe that. I don't. The Texans didn't have to trade him. My deal would have been waive your NTC for 3 teams, or we'll address it again in November. & it will be the same deal.




The Pencil Neck said:
The only other choice for Caserio was to threaten another year of DW4 on our bench doing nothing, and I think most of us can agree that getting him off our cap and off our team was the main priority. Most of us.
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Like I said, I'm happy with the deal. I think it could have been handled better from a Texans pov. Sounds like we're saying the same thing
 
Mangler said:
And pretty much fuccd all future athletes in the process. MuluGhetto and Derapist will get what’s coming to them. The NFL is not going to allow these clowns to set a precedent. I hope Nick gets us a good pass rusher and a good linebacker so they can punish that boy when we play The Browns this year!
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Please explain. NFLPA has been the weakest union of the big 3 despite producing the most income. As stated earlier, qb's have always had leverage, especially top shelf ones. Look what Dak and Cousins got. Look at what Eli was getting when he was playing. QB's are the only players in football who don't have to really fight for their contract or get depreciated. Remember when Leigh Steinburg had pretty much all the qbs? What about when Rosenhaus had pretty much every high pick from Miami Hurricanes, but now it a problem because of what. Now Mulugetta is ghetto huh? Don't think I don't see your undertones.
 
JB said:
You obviously haven't shopped for beef lately
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Thorn said:
Don't go to the grocery store much, do you?

goddammit, beat to the punch by JB LOL
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My post said nothing about buying beef, it only mentioned marinating it. Reading and COMPREHEND MUCH?
JB said:
That is pure speculation on you part and shows no thought went into it. If the offers were truly the same, Atlanta would be crippled for years and years. Browns are ready to win now
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C'mon man, you're smarter than this. The Falcons would have been enormously better with DW4. And next year they have an abundance of salary cap space.
 
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Thorn said:
I've been to Texians planet, it's awful. All they do is scream and yell all day and it's mostly nonsense.
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Kind of like a Nick Caserio press conference. So what does the Brigade do when Disney closes down Fantasy Land? Or when Fantasy Island is shut down? A Kool Aid drunk fest?
 
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leebigeztx said:
Please explain. NFLPA has been the weakest union of the big 3 despite producing the most income. As stated earlier, qb's have always had leverage, especially top shelf ones. Look what Dak and Cousins got. Look at what Eli was getting when he was playing. QB's are the only players in football who don't have to really fight for their contract or get depreciated. Remember when Leigh Steinburg had pretty much all the qbs? What about when Rosenhaus had pretty much every high pick from Miami Hurricanes, but now it a problem because of what. Now Mulugetta is ghetto huh? Don't think I don't see your undertones.
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Mulughetta did what was best for his client.
If we were in Watsons shoes right now, we’d be thanking him. Elway did the exact same thing and he hadn’t played a single down of NFL football.
I think Caserio came out of this with exactly what he needed and won the trade ultimately.
CLE paid and paid through the nose to get an elite QB with off the field issues. And now HOU can rebuild properly with 6 1st round draft picks over 3 years.
 
Bluehen Texan said:
You are so on point here. Imagine how much more we could have gotten if Watson didn’t have that cloud hanging over his head. I’m sure we all agree that Deshaun’s circumstance made it more difficult to get the most value for his off the charts on field ability. It would have made it so much easier to focus exclusively on Caserio‘s ability to get value chart fair return if the players were all just inanimate chess pieces. Everyone agrees that Deshaun‘s circumstances made it more difficult to get the best possible return for his football talent right? If you want to bash Caserio fine but you have no credibility if you are unable to at least acknowledge this factor.
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Ok lol and if you can’t acknowledge that it’s unprecedented that a young franchise QB is on the market then you’ve lost all credibility.
 
Bluehen Texan said:
I’m not discussing or questioning whether we could have done better under the circumstances. Maybe we could have. I’m discussing whether Deshaun’s past hindered the ceiling of what we could‘ve gotten back. “this kind of thinking“? It’s reality (not thinking or opinion) that Watson‘s questionable character and actions played a role in what we received isn’t? Do you admit that Watson’s actions limited what we got? What’s so hard about accepting that the Texans were at a disadvantage to begin with? Come on people. Say it. Deshaun put us in a bad spot.
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If Deshaun Watson got a record breaking guaranteed contract it didn't hinder our ceiling. If anything it only raised the ceiling.
 
leebigeztx said:
How can Nick control contract negotiations between other teams? If Atlanta and Carolina wanted him, they could've guaranteed the 3rd and 4th year.
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I don't think Nick can control contract negotiations between teams.

Nick had him under contract & it's that contract that's being traded.

Watson wasn't a FA. Contract negotiations shouldn't have been part of this at all. The attractive part of the trade was you had a young QB locked into a contract.

Russell Wilson didn't get a new contract, neither did Carson Wentz, neither did Matthew Stafford.

I could see Watson asking the Texans to allow contract negotiations so he could protect his money in the event he gets suspended. But he pulled a fast one & redid the whole thing.

Nick, who had him under contract should have allowed him to ask that it would be renegotiated after the trade. & let Nick negotiate a trade between 3 teams.

That's not what happened. I know. But Watson was under contract. That's all I'm saying
 
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Bluehen Texan said:
Do you admit that Watson’s actions limited what we got?
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I absolutely do not believe Watson's actions limited what the Texans got.

I believe thinking that it would limited what the Texans got. Too many teams wanting in to think three 1s plus two additional pieces was a hurdle too high to overcome.

Seems like the Texans could have asked for 1st born children & at least three teams would have been willing to throw in more


Bluehen Texan said:
What’s so hard about accepting that the Texans were at a disadvantage to begin with?
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The only disadvantage I know of is Watson wanted the 3rd & 4th year of his contract guaranteed.

Nobody balked at three 1s plus two additional pieces. Not Cleveland, not Carolina, not Atlanta, not New Orleans, Not the Jets, not the Eagles.

We know this because they were at the table, or wanted to be.

Nobody balked at lowering Watson's salary the first year.

The only thing we know someone took issue with was guaranteeing the 3rd & 4th years of the contract.

No, these teams didn't seem to care about Watson's past. Converting the first year's salary to a signing bonus is saying, "We agree with you, there's a real chance you won't play 17 games for us this year, but we want you to take our money regardless."
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm sure it was. I'm just not into letting the other guy get everything he wants.

I let them put it on the table, but as a yes/no the contract would be negotiated.

Maybe Nick didn't care, as long as he got those three 1s & Watson out. That's fine. But I'm saying in hindsight.

The only deal I'd have been upset with was NO. Their pick was too low & are going to be too low.


I understand why you believe that. I don't. The Texans didn't have to trade him. My deal would have been waive your NTC for 3 teams, or we'll address it again in November. & it will be the same deal.





Like I said, I'm happy with the deal. I think it could have been handled better from a Texans pov. Sounds like we're saying the same thing
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TK this is where you’re not getting have the waiver of the NTC works. It’s not actually waived until the NFL approves the trade, it’s not even waived right now. Watson could still invoke it right up until the league approves the trade and he is officially a Brown.

Watson could have told Caserio “I’ll waive it for these 3 teams, get the best deal you can.” and the only thing that could enforce it is Watson being a man of his word. We’ve already seen he’s not. Reality is Caserio only had two moves to play, the first was not letting teams talk to Watson unless they met his ante up price, which he did. The next is nix all the trades, keep Watson on the roster, watch him not play again while this time getting a huge paycheck and let this nightmare continue another year.

Which would you have really rather he do?
 
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