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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
- Thread starter Texansballer74
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“That’s not ideal for Watson. The things he says while being questioned in the cases filed by plaintiffs who haven’t made criminal complaints could be used by the prosecutor in the other cases, if the prosecutor so chooses. Moreover, Watson’s testimony could prompt the prosecutor to exercise the broad discretion inherent to the job in a way that results in an attempt to secure an indictment on one or more felony charges.”
CloakNNNdagger
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This bassackwards to what Hardin said in court.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Did you expect anything different? Lawyers being lawyers, while proclaiming their side of the coin is the right side.
CloakNNNdagger
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Here's some double talk if ever there was double talk.
Rusty Hardin said that he advised Deshaun Watson against doing deposition until there's outcome of criminal investigation, adding that Watson is willing to have his deposition taken anytime. His legal advice is for that to not happen until there's a ruling on criminal front.
Rusty Hardin said that he advised Deshaun Watson against doing deposition until there's outcome of criminal investigation, adding that Watson is willing to have his deposition taken anytime. His legal advice is for that to not happen until there's a ruling on criminal front.
Yeah, but the Grand Jury is not sequestered so they can see Rusty talking and implying the Grand Jury process is unfair. Not wise.
CloakNNNdagger
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CloakNNNdagger
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This bassackwards to what Hardin said in court
Exactly. Rusty stated in court any lawyer would advise their client to take the 5th while there is an ongoing criminal investigation. So Aaron Wilson is wrong here in how he quoted Rusty.
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CloakNNNdagger
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With the Watson depositions scheduled to begin no later that March 7, don't hold your breath for trade offers. Teams won't be lining up.
So the plaintiffs in the Civil case ,but not the criminal case can depose Watson. This is completely asinine to me. Either all of them should be able to depose him or they should all be delayed. What is the point of letting some depose him when they can go file criminal complaints immediately afterwards?
They can all depose him, the ones who filed criminal complaints can’t depose him until after April first. The other batch of complainants can depose him ASAP. However, prosecutors can still look at those depositions and use information from Watson’s answers for those other cases
Right. Sorry I wasn't clear. Some can depose him now (when Hardin is available). That is messed up to me. Either they should all be able to do it now or all should wait. The reasoning is because the ones who can be deposed now haven't filed criminal complaints, but nothing is preventing them from filing immediately after the deposition, making the judges reasoning moot.
CloakNNNdagger
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Hardin now in court hearing, re. not extending Watson depositions to after April 1: "What's the hurry?"
[Hardin: I haven't made enough $$$$$ punching in my time card yet.]
[Watson: You're screwing my chances of being traded in this century.]
[GJ prosecutor: So now you're telling me when I'm supposed to complete my investigation?]
[Hardin: I haven't made enough $$$$$ punching in my time card yet.]
[Watson: You're screwing my chances of being traded in this century.]
[GJ prosecutor: So now you're telling me when I'm supposed to complete my investigation?]
Texansballer74
The Marine
CloakNNNdagger
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At the time I did agree that Watson should have played out his 5th year option before the extension but that was for FOOTBALL REASONS and Nothing at all to do with what he did off the field.
We've had the conversation that I don't believe he's "that good" (top 5-8whatever) a QB and I stand by that but even then, the Texans would be crazy not to extend him and he goes elsewhere via free agency and they get no compensation. That would have been terribly stupid ....
It just so happened that Watson was accused of doing a whole lot of illegal stuff .... that has nothing to do with Football nor what the Texans would have or should have done before it came to light.
Every single team in the league would have made the same mistake if Watson had been their QB.
Because Some like me were pretty sure the journey wasn't going to lead to a championship. If Mills hasn't improved alot by the end of yr 3 at reading defenses I will be his biggest critic. Weapons Derrick had Hopkins/WFV to throw too, followed by Cooks. Why do you think Arians made the qoute he made. Derrick had weapons.
I would've made him playout the 5th yr option for performance reasons also. After that you can either sign him long term or tag him for a couple of yrs.
I seriously doubt teams like the Vikings/Redskins/Bengals etc.. would've extended him before he played out the 5th yr option.
The Texans did help setup 130 or so massages through Brooks. They also provided him with a NDA. They turned a blind eye for monetary reasons and are paying the price for that decision. (Rightfully so)
Brooks is not employed by the team..
The NDA's did not come from the team.
There is absolutely NO reason that the team would provide him with legal documents.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
And thats the last time esterby has spoken in public. As you noted, every gm and coach wouldve extended him. Also the trash detector missed by a country mile.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Let’s see this post through some much needed glasses of reasoning.
1. Who actually thought those NDA’s given to Watson by Burney had something to do with him knowing what Watson was “really” doing and was just trying to protect him so he could continue with his “alleged” sexual feasting on “unsuspecting” masseuses?
2. How many may think Burney gave these NDA’s to Watson b/c he was going outside the organizations physical therapist for massage treatments and didn’t want any treatment information being leaked publicly?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
…….I was pretty sure as well. Only my blame wasn’t aimed at Watson!!!! How about looking at the team that was put around Watson during his tenure. Failure and simply more failure and then unrecoverable failure. That blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the FO, HC, and coaching staff. So, in retrospect you may continue on your path of being Watson’s biggest blind critic but I hope the island you’re on has fresh water.
On a side note….I didn’t want Watson to get an extension b/c if the “team” couldn’t figure out how to successfully build a team around Watson in 5 years or during his rookie contract, what makes anyone think they could do it once his new contract money would play a huge factor against the salary cap? The same could be said for Stafford’s sudden turnaround once he was out of Detroit.
See, that has nothing to do with hatred or being a Watson downer advocate and more to do with the rational thinking of how a Watson extension was being executed at the wrong time for the team. Trading Watson at the end of the 2020 NFL season would have given the Texans a windfall of picks versus being strapped with an idiot OB and Cal extension that featured a NTC.
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Okay so remember when KPRC was able to obtain a copy of one of the NDAs sent to an accuser? It was blank other than Watson’s name at the top. Here is the link in case you can’t see the photo I post
www.google.com
EXCLUSIVE: Sources share copy of NDA that 1 of Deshaun Watson’s accusers says player sent to her
Sources shared with KPRC 2 a non-disclosure agreement that Deshaun Watson sent to one of his accusers on Thursday night.
www.google.com
Here is a website you can download a TX NDA in any format. Looks exactly like the one from the article. The Texans DID NOT give these to Watson. https://eforms.com/nda/tx/
CloakNNNdagger
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From the article:Okay so remember when KPRC was able to obtain a copy of one of the NDAs sent to an accuser? It was blank other than Watson’s name at the top. Here is the link in case you can’t see the photo I post
View attachment 9779EXCLUSIVE: Sources share copy of NDA that 1 of Deshaun Watson’s accusers says player sent to her
Sources shared with KPRC 2 a non-disclosure agreement that Deshaun Watson sent to one of his accusers on Thursday night.
Exactly what I was trying to emphasize in my post above.......
CloakNNNdagger
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Hardin advising Watson to take the Fifth Amendment?
Hardin added that he would advise Watson to take the Fifth Amendment in any deposition until there is a ruling on the criminal complaints. Hardin said he isn’t aware of any lawyer who would advise their client to not invoke their Fifth Amendment rights in a deposition while remaining under a criminal investigation.
“It is my obligation to not expose him to depositions while he is waiting to hear if he’ll be criminally charged,” Hardin said.
Hardin added that the potential “prejudicial impact is immeasurable” if Watson did participate in a deposition and answered fully, emphasizing that Watson would be acting on his advice but is willing to testify at any time.
Hardin, asked by Judge Collier why he believes he’ll have clarity on criminal charges or no charges by April 1, said that’s because the police have submitted their findings to the Harris County District Attorney’s office. Hardin added that he expects the investigation to be concluded “in weeks, not months.”
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There's just one little problem with the 2nd bolded statement of Hardin's................the DA's office through the Grand Jury has its own criminal investigators (separate from the police)...........and they run on a timeline entirely separate from that of the police. No doubt, they will want to incorporate the Watson depositions into their investigation. It would be no surprise for the DA to even call Watson himself before the Grand Jury prior to closing out their investigation. All of this could go well beyond April 1.
Hardin added that he would advise Watson to take the Fifth Amendment in any deposition until there is a ruling on the criminal complaints. Hardin said he isn’t aware of any lawyer who would advise their client to not invoke their Fifth Amendment rights in a deposition while remaining under a criminal investigation.
“It is my obligation to not expose him to depositions while he is waiting to hear if he’ll be criminally charged,” Hardin said.
Hardin added that the potential “prejudicial impact is immeasurable” if Watson did participate in a deposition and answered fully, emphasizing that Watson would be acting on his advice but is willing to testify at any time.
Hardin, asked by Judge Collier why he believes he’ll have clarity on criminal charges or no charges by April 1, said that’s because the police have submitted their findings to the Harris County District Attorney’s office. Hardin added that he expects the investigation to be concluded “in weeks, not months.”
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There's just one little problem with the 2nd bolded statement of Hardin's................the DA's office through the Grand Jury has its own criminal investigators (separate from the police)...........and they run on a timeline entirely separate from that of the police. No doubt, they will want to incorporate the Watson depositions into their investigation. It would be no surprise for the DA to even call Watson himself before the Grand Jury prior to closing out their investigation. All of this could go well beyond April 1.
CloakNNNdagger
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Someone posted this "entertaining" video saying this is how he believes Watson's deposition will go.
CloakNNNdagger
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How is O'Brien able to be blamed for the extension, when Watson was signed to the extension Jan. 28, 2021 and O'Brien was fired Oct 5, 2020?
Just for the record, Watson inked the extension September 5 2020.
CloakNNNdagger
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Thanks, I should have known that............brain fart.
leebigeztx
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fresh off Lawdepot. I actually use lawdepot alot for contracts and such. Very handy
leebigeztx
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Im sure youre rooting for him to answer the questions, but you know he's going to take the 5th. So you or nobody else is going to get anything out of it. Ive stated this many times, if hes found guilty, I hope he serves time as any convicted criminal. Whether its Watson or any other man/woman.
CloakNNNdagger
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And none of those posts belong in this Watson sexual assault thread! Memory Lane is Texans Random Thought thread material, not here!
I want to see him squirm.
If he pleads the 5th that should tell people he's got something to hide. If I was in his situation I would probably plead the 5th too.
Agreed with the last 2 sentences of your post.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Because you plead the 5th doesnt mean youre hiding anything.
What does it mean
I thought it meant you didn't want to say anything that may incriminate yourself. What may incriminate him?
maverick512000
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Again with this “Riding a bus” crap. It wasn’t like they stuck him on a greyhound it was a full blown tour bus like star musicians use. Hell Watt himself said that Watson had a nicer trip than the rest of the team did.
maverick512000
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Whether it does or not pleading the fifth is a big gamble because while it does mean you cannot be forced to testify against yourself it also means you cannot testify in your own defense either. So basically if he does plead the fifth the he will not be allowed to tell his side of the story.
That’s why lawyers generally don’t advise pleading the fifth unless they are sure that it would only hurt the defendants case to testify.
He probably doesn't want to tell his side of the story.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
……it generally would mean he’s following the advice of his attorney. Hardin has already stated his position and he wants to wait until all the women have been deposed.
Smart move
Because if he incriminates himself then he will have alot more to worry about than losing a few million dollars.
maverick512000
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I understand that, my point is that for those saying we are only hearing one side of the story if Watson pleads the fifth it will mean not only will we keep hearing only one side but that the other side either thinks telling their side will hurt their case or at least not help it enough to be worth the risk of cross examination.
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