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[Pick 67] Davis Mills QB Stanford

If you’ve truly been objective about your assessments of him, you’ve always known he has the “ability” to be a starting qb in the NFL. The debate should be & for most here HAS been around whether he is a game manager type that needs a great team around him to be that starter..or if he’s capable of being a guy that can elevate the guys around him.
 
76Texan said:
You're wrong. It's not the same offense.

It missed Tunsil...
But I heard the Collins guy is pretty good.
So is Brevin Jordan.
I heard Britt is an upgrade.
So was Cannon for the time he lasted.

So yeah.
It's not the same offense.

I also heard the defense is much better; and so is the ST.

But those sunshine pumpers still say that Mills doesn't have much to work with.
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So what do you think about NC?
 
banned1976 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1475186070849474560
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This dovetails into an important point.

We have not watched a Texans quarterback succeed according to the intended design of the plays or the game script since Matt Schaub. Watson regularly relied on improvisation for big plays after the original play design ran its course. It's one reason he threw to Hopkins so much. Sure, hero ball won games, but it was unreliable, inconsistent, and it covered up weaknesses that would kill us against better teams.

Mills is executing the plays as designed, so we're starting to see consistency in the number of consecutive completions and the completion percentage. It's actual game management.
 
Couldn’t help but think this was an important moment for Davis Mills.
https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=32941281&ex_cid=espnapi_internal

Hits Conley deep in stride for the TD. We’ve seen Mills miss on quite a number of deep shots this year, here’s hoping something has clicked for him.

He certainly looked like an NFL QB for all 4 quarters yesterday. Put a whole game together. It’s good to see his development.
 
welsh texan said:
Couldn’t help but think this was an important moment for Davis Mills.
https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=32941281&ex_cid=espnapi_internal

Hits Conley deep in stride for the TD. We’ve seen Mills miss on quite a number of deep shots this year, here’s hoping something has clicked for him.

He certainly looked like an NFL QB for all 4 quarters yesterday. Put a whole game together. It’s good to see his development.
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It's amazing what happens when there's a run game and the QB's well protected.
 
welsh texan said:
Couldn’t help but think this was an important moment for Davis Mills.
https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=32941281&ex_cid=espnapi_internal

Hits Conley deep in stride for the TD. We’ve seen Mills miss on quite a number of deep shots this year, here’s hoping something has clicked for him.

He certainly looked like an NFL QB for all 4 quarters yesterday. Put a whole game together. It’s good to see his development.
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Actually, I think that previous one with the great catch by Dorsett is what gave him confidence to make the throw to Conley
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
The times I've seen Mills he's never looked awful. Always looked like he could play.

Put some weapons around him, a scheme and an online that can protect and I think he can at least be a matt schaub type guy.

That's good enough to win with if the team around him is very good.
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Matt Schaub is his floor.
I see him as much more potential with some weapons and a solid oline like you said.
Add an upgrade to that backfield and I can't see why we need to sweat about the QB position here in Htown
 
Mills had a good game against a not so good defense that was missing a couple of big pieces. Granted, the Texans were missing a lot as well, but still. He also had an unexpected run game to finally take some heat off of him. Let's not act like that's going to last. The Bolts were really bad.

Was happy to see him with some throws downfield and actually nailing them. The TD throw to Conley was perfection. I think there was also a benefit of not having his safety blanket in Cooks, where he was forced to spread the ball around. 5 different receivers had at least 3 catches. Not that there's anything wrong with getting the ball to Cooks as much as possible, just think it helps in his growth to see other receivers out there.
 
Speedy said:
Mills had a good game against a not so good defense that was missing a couple of big pieces. Granted, the Texans were missing a lot as well, but still. He also had an unexpected run game to finally take some heat off of him. Let's not act like that's going to last. The Bolts were really bad.

Was happy to see him with some throws downfield and actually nailing them. The TD throw to Conley was perfection. I think there was also a benefit of not having his safety blanket in Cooks, where he was forced to spread the ball around. 5 different receivers had at least 3 catches. Not that there's anything wrong with getting the ball to Cooks as much as possible, just think it helps in his growth to see other receivers out there.
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Thing is though, Mills has had to grow, (as a very raw rookie,) with a very mediocre team around him.
I want to see another season out of him with an upgrade in the backfield, in his oline and his receiving corp.
 
Speedy said:
Mills had a good game against a not so good defense that was missing a couple of big pieces. Granted, the Texans were missing a lot as well, but still. He also had an unexpected run game to finally take some heat off of him. Let's not act like that's going to last. The Bolts were really bad.
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We all knew we had a bad team before the season started. We expected them to suffer against good teams.

What I've been paying attention to is how we played against bad teams. You can play well against bad teams, or you can play poorly against bad teams. I much rather play well against bad teams.


I wonder whose idea was to put Tremon Smith on offense?
 
We have so many needs and Mills looks like he can hold it down. Sign a vet for backup and competition and get some OL/DL/CB/LB/RB. Let's skip TE for a year. I actually am OK with WR, sure there would be upgrades, but this years draft is missing the high end so build where the draft is strong and focus inside out, get those trenches and a RB. It looks like Lovie can run a defense with guys that do their jobs, so can even lean a little more offensive if needed, but I think the draft has more skilled defensive cats this year so don't reach, get BPA
 
maverick512000 said:
1) Agreed I don’t see them taking a QB in the draft but I do want them to bring in a vet. Personally I say RGIII, he’ll be a FA after this season and should be able to get him cheap. He’s been around long enough now that he can talk to Mills QB to QB and advise him on the things film just can’t tell you.

2) I do disagree that a new OC would throw Mills off that much. First it’s going to be mostly a new team next year so there will lots of changes anyway. Also Kelly has only worked with Mills one year and Mills wasn’t getting first team reps at that. A vet OC would know how to help players adjust to a new offense. Kelly is using the playbook of a guy that is no longer here

It’s fine to not name Mills the automatic starter but I’ve never been a fan of the “he won in training camp” idea of picking QBs. I don’t care what players claim it’s a different feeling and mindset when you know the 300 lbs of muscle charging at you aren’t going to actually hit you vs on the field where they are trying to kill you.
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To the bolded is what I'm not on board with and it's part of the consistency equation that I feel Mills needs. Being that he is already inexperienced (his QB history), him learning on the fly with players around him also learning on the fly makes for greater chance of failure IMO.

I went against the grain and responded in a thread more suitable for the discussion.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
To the bolded is what I'm not on board with and it's part of the consistency equation that I feel Mills needs. Being that he is already inexperienced (his QB history), him learning on the fly with players around him also learning on the fly makes for greater chance of failure IMO.

I went against the grain and responded in a thread more suitable for the discussion.
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It’s not really a matter of choice, right now the team is pretty much made up of backups and washed up vets all on one year contracts. Texans couldn’t keep this team together if they wanted to a frankly why would we want them to? I get the idea of consistency but frankly it’s not very realistic in today’s NFL. Teams have massive shakeups every year and that’s just the NFL so if Mills is going to need the same players every year to succeed then we’re not going far with him.

Let’s not let the Chargers game blind us here this is still the same crappy team with the same crappy OC using the same crappy scheme. We just now are starting to maybe see a light at the end of the tunnel but that doesn’t mean we should stop moving towards it.
 
Lucky said:
Gore? Current youth group?

Nope.
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Indeed he has a stronger arm. Watson had one of the lower velocity tests that have been recorded recently at 49. The average speed at the NFL combine is 54 mph. Tom Brady was clocked at 61 mph recently. Josh Allen was clocked at 62 mph. Mills clocks in at 55 mph. (Source: Google Search). Meaning by the testing at the combine, Mills is throwing 6mph faster than Watson.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Indeed he has a stronger arm. Watson had one of the lower velocity tests that have been recorded recently at 49. The average speed at the NFL combine is 54 mph. Tom Brady was clocked at 61 mph recently. Josh Allen was clocked at 62 mph. Mills clocks in at 55 mph. (Source: Google Search). Meaning by the testing at the combine, Mills is throwing 6mph faster than Watson.
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In football games, Mills does not have a stronger arm than Watson.
 
Mr teX said:
If you’ve truly been objective about your assessments of him, you’ve always known he has the “ability” to be a starting qb in the NFL. The debate should be & for most here HAS been around whether he is a game manager type that needs a great team around him to be that starter..or if he’s capable of being a guy that can elevate the guys around him.
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The QBs who are able to operate efficiently without a good team around them are rare. How many of those are there in the league right now?
THEN the question becomes is there a rare QB available - either via FA or in the draft.
The ultimate objective is to build a good all round team so that if you lose that QB for whatever reason, the team can still function at a high level with a backup and elevate his play.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Indeed he has a stronger arm. Watson had one of the lower velocity tests that have been recorded recently at 49. The average speed at the NFL combine is 54 mph. Tom Brady was clocked at 61 mph recently. Josh Allen was clocked at 62 mph. Mills clocks in at 55 mph. (Source: Google Search). Meaning by the testing at the combine, Mills is throwing 6mph faster than Watson.
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Is there really a combine test? I thought someone just randomly records the speed on a randomly thrown ball.

It's not like every other drill where they try to make everything as even as possible to eliminate some variables.
 
Texansphan said:
The QBs who are able to operate efficiently without a good team around them are rare. How many of those are there in the league right now?
THEN the question becomes is there a rare QB available - either via FA or in the draft.
The ultimate objective is to build a good all round team so that if you lose that QB for whatever reason, the team can still function at a high level with a backup and elevate his play.
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Even the best QBs have to have something to work with. Look at Brady his last year with the Pats. No matter how good a QB if the have no run game and no receivers that can catch they will have a bad game.
 
Earl34 said:
Don't forget Mills' forty time was faster than Watson too. Just wait until he starts taking off on QB scrambles. You will see the speed. :kitten:
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Obviously because he can run in shorts and a T-Shirt doesn't mean he wants to run with pads on and large men chasing him. That's a good thing IMHO.
 
Listen, Mills has earned the role to continue on being our starter for the time being, but calm down with comparisons to Watson. DW4 on the field was a top 5 player entering his prime. Let's not start thinking Steel's opinion on the player Watson was accurate.

Mills definitely has some nice traits, but he was always super inconsistent in college. Let's see how he progresses and continues to improve on that.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Indeed he has a stronger arm. Watson had one of the lower velocity tests that have been recorded recently at 49. The average speed at the NFL combine is 54 mph. Tom Brady was clocked at 61 mph recently. Josh Allen was clocked at 62 mph. Mills clocks in at 55 mph. (Source: Google Search). Meaning by the testing at the combine, Mills is throwing 6mph faster than Watson.
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The 49 mph reading on Watson was on a single throw, and if memory serves, the QBs are not aware when the measurements are being taken. Hardly a way to conclusively determine a players effective throwing velocity.

Watson has a live arm...not at the level of Mahomes or Rodgers, but the kid can throw deep. Too bad he is lacking morality and basic human decency.

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frethack said:
The 49 mph reading on Watson was on a single throw, and if memory serves, the QBs are not aware when the measurements are being taken. Hardly a way to conclusively determine a players effective throwing velocity.

Watson has a live arm...not at the level of Mahomes or Rodgers, but the kid can throw deep. Too bad he is lacking morality and basic human decency.

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Derrick has an avg NFL arm. I've intentionally not compared Mills to Derrick, because Mills is very inexperienced and Derrick is a 4 yr NFL veteran. That's not a fair comparison. Mills/Derrick's arm strength is comparable.

The key is thankfully a selfish ingrate like Derrick will never play another down for the team I root for.
 
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steelbtexan said:
How did I know this post was coming?

He finally had time to go through his progressions and his receivers had time to run deeper routes. Plus this is what Mills could be if he had a run game to work with. Fix the OL and you will see more of this.
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Still not a fan of those routes...Mills made some good throws and the receivers made some nice grabs on some of them.
 
Speedy said:
Who here ever thinks he's accurate? Need to put them on ignore too.
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When's your selfish guy going to trial?

Funny how we agree on most things but the POS Derrick and you're putting me on ignore because of 1 disagreement. How's that working out for you and your guy? It's eating you up isn't it?

Thanks for making me LMAO while I'm under the weather. You made my day. Not that you will read or respond to this. Maybe someday you'll get over the fact that you're butthurt not at me, but at yourself for star gazing a Sexual Predator. Let's just face the truth, you need to get better at judging a mans character. I would probably feel the same way you do if I put all my eggs in the Sexual Predators basket.
 
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