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All encompassing 2022 draft thoughts thread

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As most of us know, this is a great draft on the defense - especially the first round.
There are three top flight Edge/DE type guys that could go in the top ten:-
Kayvon Thibadeaux
Aiden Hutchinson
George Karlaftis.
Drake Jackson and Adam Anderson are in the back end of R1.
David Ojabo could easily get into R1.
The Defensive backfield is well stocked with guys like these:-
Kyler Gordon CB
Derek Stingley CB
Kyle Hamilton S
Andrew Booth Jr. CB
Ahmed Gardner CB
Jalen Catalon S
Trent McDuffie CB
Martin Emerson CB.
Kaiir Elam CB, Roger McCreary CB and Daxton Hill S could easily slide up into R1.
Then you have two quality ILB's:-
Devon Lloyd LB
Nakobe Dean LB

On the Offensive side, there are some very good OL:-
Evan Neal OT
Tyler Linderbaum C
Kenyon Green OG
Charles Cross OT
Trevor Penning OT
Nicholas Petit-Frere OT
Ikem Ekwonu OG
Zion Johnson OG
And yes, the bottom few could easily go in the first or be very desirable commodities in the second.
WR's are an interesting bunch:-
Garrett Wilson
Chris Olave
Drake London
Jahan Dotson
David Bell.
TE's - nothing sensational here like in recent drafts:-
Trey McBride will be lower R1.
RB's also nothing super duper like a Barkley:-
Breece Hall
Kyren Williams
Isaiah Spiller
Kenneth Walker III.
I doubt a RB goes in R1 this draft.
My pick of this group would be Walker. If you can get him top of the 3rd or late 2nd, he will be good value there.
I'll open it up.
Yes, I deliberately left out QB.
 
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As most of us know, this is a great draft on the defense - especially the first round.
There are three top flight Edge/DE type guys that could go in the top ten:-
Kayvon Thibadeaux
Aiden Hutchinson
George Karlaftis.
Drake Jackson and Adam Anderson are in the back end of R1.
David Ojabo could easily get into R1.
The Defensive backfield is well stocked with guys like these:-
Kyler Gordon CB
Derek Stingley CB
Kyle Hamilton S
Andrew Booth Jr. CB
Ahmed Gardner CB
Jalen Catalon S
Trent McDuffie CB
Martin Emerson CB.
Kaiir Elam CB, Roger McCreary CB and Daxton Hill S could easily slide up into R1.
Then you have two quality ILB's:-
Devon Lloyd LB
Nakobe Dean LB

On the Offensive side, there are some very good OL:-
Evan Neal OT
Tyler Linderbaum C
Kenyon Green OG
Charles Cross OT
Trevor Penning OT
Nicholas Petit-Frere OT
Ikem Ekwonu OG
Zion Johnson OG
And yes, the bottom few could easily go in the first or be very desirable commodities in the second.
WR's are an interesting bunch:-
Garrett Wilson
Chris Olave
Drake London
Jahan Dotson
David Bell.
TE's - nothing sensational here like in recent drafts:-
Trey McBride will be lower R1.
RB's also nothing super duper like a Barkley:-
Breece Hall
Kyren Williams
Isaiah Spiller
Kenneth Walker III.
I doubt a RB goes in R1 this draft.
My pick of this group would be Walker. If you can get him top of the 3rd or late 2nd, he will be good value there.
I'll open it up.
Yes, I deliberately left out QB.
Hutchinson is my guy in Rd 1. If we’re able to trade Watson, I’d be open to adding any of the following with the second Rd 1:

Offense
Neal OT
Green OG
Linderbaum OC
Penning OT

Defense
Hamilton S
Booth CB
Gardner CB
Elam CB
Dean ILB
Lloyd ILB

It’s really hard to deliberate and narrow down who when I don’t know where in the 1st we’d get a second pick.

Also, I would take a flyer on a QB in Rd1, but it’d been on very specific circumstances. But I’d prefer to stock up and build before we drafted a franchise QB in 2023.
 
Hutchinson is my guy in Rd 1. If we’re able to trade Watson, I’d be open to adding any of the following with the second Rd 1:

Offense
Neal OT
Green OG
Linderbaum OC
Penning OT

Defense
Hamilton S
Booth CB
Gardner CB
Elam CB
Dean ILB
Lloyd ILB

It’s really hard to deliberate and narrow down who when I don’t know where in the 1st we’d get a second pick.

Also, I would take a flyer on a QB in Rd1, but it’d been on very specific circumstances. But I’d prefer to stock up and build before we drafted a franchise QB in 2023.
One would hope that if we trade Watson, we will get one pick in the top ten along with one lower in the round this draft.
 
I’d like to grab WR Drake London somehow as well.
Dude is a beast as a possession, big body receiver.
He’s just always open and has hands of gold.
But I love Optimistic’s plan. It’s how you rebuild correctly.
In the trenches. But if there’s a a chance that London was there at the top of the 2nd, I would love to sneak in there and grab him.
 
I’d like to grab WR Drake London somehow as well.
Dude is a beast as a possession, big body receiver.
He’s just always open and has hands of gold.
But I love Optimistic’s plan. It’s how you rebuild correctly.
In the trenches. But if there’s a a chance that London was there at the top of the 2nd, I would love to sneak in there and grab him.

We need to keep an eye on the other big WR in the draft……Arkansas, Treylon Burks. A 6-3, 220 lbs wideout that’s projected in RD1 or RD2. That’s going to depend on how the NFL teams view an Arkansas WR over the one’s entering the draft from Alabama, Ohio St, and USC. He could be gold at the top of RD2.
 
Agreed. If Texans have the #1 overall chances are they’ll pick the wrong guy again. A good player, but not a game changer.

The Texans are also victims being extreme bad in the wrong years. You really only want the overall number 1 pick when there a clear number 1QB.

For hype certain draftnics are giving Kayvon Thibodeaux, dude only has 6 sacks in 9 games played. Sacks are not the only thing for a Edge like him, but as we saw with clowney a dude going number 1 overall needs to be putting QBs on their backside at an elite rate for it to be worth it.
 
The Texans are also victims being extreme bad in the wrong years. You really only want the overall number 1 pick when there a clear number 1QB.

For hype certain draftnics are giving Kayvon Thibodeaux, dude only has 6 sacks in 9 games played. Sacks are not the only thing for a Edge like him, but as we saw with clowney a dude going number 1 overall needs to be putting QBs on their backside at an elite rate for it to be worth it.

In all honesty…..I have DE’s, Hutchinson (Michigan) and Karlaftis (Purdue) rated higher up the ladder. Thibodeaux just worries me far too much to be considered the #1 player in CFB.
 
In all honesty…..I have DE’s, Hutchinson (Michigan) and Karlaftis (Purdue) rated higher up the ladder. Thibodeaux just worries me far too much to be considered the #1 player in CFB.

The other Michigan EDGE might the same level of athletic freak Thidodeaux with better sack production.

David Ojabo, edge, Michigan (6-5, 250)
One of the freakiest players in college football, Ojabo has rare bend, fluidity and closing speed for a 250-pound athlete. Born in Nigeria and raised in Scotland, Ojabo didn’t play football until his junior year of high school and he is still raw in several areas – mirroring his former high school teammate Jayon Oweh in a lot of ways (except Ojabo has piled up the production with 8 sacks and four forced fumbles this season). (ran a 10.93 100-meters at 225-ish pounds in high school).
 
In all honesty…..I have DE’s, Hutchinson (Michigan) and Karlaftis (Purdue) rated higher up the ladder. Thibodeaux just worries me far too much to be considered the #1 player in CFB.

Just to update this from Saturday's game

Hutchinson 3 sacks and Ojabo 1 sack in a key game against against a team NFL level players everywhere on offense.
 
Just to update this from Saturday's game

Hutchinson 3 sacks and Ojabo 1 sack in a key game against against a team NFL level players everywhere on offense.
I don't watch that much college ball, except when the post season P/Os begin, but did watch some of the Mich-OSU game.
That back from Michigan was very impressive but so was his Oline because those guys were moving bodies and opening up holes for their backs.
 
Hutchinson 3 sacks and Ojabo 1 sack in a key game against against a team NFL level players everywhere on offense.
Ojabo was pretty much taken out of the game by the Buckeyes running game. He looks like a project. Hutchinson doesn't have the explosion of the Bosas, but his skill and effort makes him one of the elite prospects in the draft. Pro ready.

I'll also take any of those Buckeye wideouts, please.
 
Ojabo was pretty much taken out of the game by the Buckeyes running game. He looks like a project. Hutchinson doesn't have the explosion of the Bosas, but his skill and effort makes him one of the elite prospects in the draft. Pro ready.

I'll also take any of those Buckeye wideouts, please.

yes, Ojabo might need to stay since he has limited football experience or would spend first couple of years a situational rusher. That is a tough call for a guy that might go in the first round maybe top half.

All three of those Buckeye WRs made at least one silly good catch. I was impressed that the QB CJ Stroud was willing throw into tight windows and give those guys a chance to do their thing.

Your comments on Hutchinson seems consistent with so much I am reading about the top of this draft, that guy is like ---- but not quite as good coming out of college. Darn sure rooting for the Texans to play their way around 5 or so.
 
yes, Ojabo might need to stay since he has limited football experience or would spend first couple of years a situational rusher. That is a tough call for a guy that might go in the first round maybe top half.

All three of those Buckeye WRs made at least one silly good catch. I was impressed that the QB CJ Stroud was willing throw into tight windows and give those guys a chance to do their thing.

Your comments on Hutchinson seems consistent with so much I am reading about the top of this draft, that guy is like ---- but not quite as good coming out of college. Darn sure rooting for the Texans to play their way around 5 or so.

I'm still debating between Thibodeaux/Hutchinson/Stingley or trading down for Green.
 
Hail, I’d draft the entire Wolverine OL if that was remotely possible. The Texans should be talking to Harbaugh on how to identify the right OL players to fit their Power Block scheme. It just seems like they (MI) have nailed that from a talent standpoint.
 
he looks like a specimen for sure but Thibodeaux doesn't impress me at all...that didn't change after last week either...but based on where the Texans are projected to pick, Neal, Stingley and Thibodeaux are the only options...& of those 3 i want Neal...but I like Hamilton the best...there's just no way is a safety going that high tho imo.
 
he looks like a specimen for sure but Thibodeaux doesn't impress me at all...that didn't change after last week either...but based on where the Texans are projected to pick, Neal, Stingley and Thibodeaux are the only options...& of those 3 i want Neal...but I like Hamilton the best...there's just no way is a safety going that high tho imo.

What do you think about Hutchinson?

I've got Stingley still rated very highly.
 
What do you think about Hutchinson?

I've got Stingley still rated very highly.

he's got a motor, & uses his hands fairly well.... but he's not a gamebreaker imo...at least not 1 worthy of being taken anywhere in the top 5 for sure. I don't see him being able to shed &/or jump around tackles and guards on the NFL level the same way he does in college...His arm length looks average/below average so he definitely won't be able to keep OL from getting into his chest. He's likely going to be playing on the edge in the NFL & in that respect, i don't see the explosion and quick-twitch athleticism from him to play out there either. Aside from that, he doesn't look all that speedy...so you can't try to put him as a hybrid LB in a 3-4 either...not that i think that would be an option for him but still. Alot of the plays you see him making he's getting free runs at guys...


I just think at this point, the Texans need more help on the offensive side of the ball & the only offensive prospect worthy of a top 5 selection at this moment for me is Neal..& even him i have my questions on. This just isn't a good draft for us to be picking high. Noone really stands out.
 
he looks like a specimen for sure but Thibodeaux doesn't impress me at all...that didn't change after last week either...but based on where the Texans are projected to pick, Neal, Stingley and Thibodeaux are the only options...& of those 3 i want Neal...but I like Hamilton the best...there's just no way is a safety going that high tho imo.

I just don’t care about unwritten draft rules and I dang sure wouldn’t let unwritten rules dictate my approach to the draft.

S, Kyle Hamilton (ND) brings the most bang for the buck at #3, #4, or #5. KH’s versatility, size and speed would serve several needs in the Texans defensive backfield. He would be a huge addition that more than justifies him being drafted anywhere between #2 to #7.
 
I just don’t care about unwritten draft rules and I dang sure wouldn’t let unwritten rules dictate my approach to the draft.

S, Kyle Hamilton (ND) brings the most bang for the buck at #3, #4, or #5. KH’s versatility, size and speed would serve several needs in the Texans defensive backfield. He would be a huge addition that more than justifies him being drafted anywhere between #2 to #7.

I'm sorta with you here, I like Hamilton because he has what you cant teach imo...instincts & that usually leads to gamebreaking plays. I just don't know if the texans can afford to go defense. Offensively they need so much help.
 
he's got a motor, & uses his hands fairly well.... but he's not a gamebreaker imo...at least not 1 worthy of being taken anywhere in the top 5 for sure. I don't see him being able to shed &/or jump around tackles and guards on the NFL level the same way he does in college...His arm length looks average/below average so he definitely won't be able to keep OL from getting into his chest. He's likely going to be playing on the edge in the NFL & in that respect, i don't see the explosion and quick-twitch athleticism from him to play out there either. Aside from that, he doesn't look all that speedy...so you can't try to put him as a hybrid LB in a 3-4 either...not that i think that would be an option for him but still. Alot of the plays you see him making he's getting free runs at guys...


I just think at this point, the Texans need more help on the offensive side of the ball & the only offensive prospect worthy of a top 5 selection at this moment for me is Neal..& even him i have my questions on. This just isn't a good draft for us to be picking high. Noone really stands out.

If you dont think Hutchinson is explosive then you should go watch the Ohio St. Game. He's got very powerful hands and a great 1st step. His motor always runs hot. I also love Stingley if he's healthy.

I worry about Neal's foot quickness. You're right though, this is a bad yr to need to pick offensive players and OL in particular. There's alot of good edge players in this group. I just hope Caserio picks the best players at each pick and doesn't focus on either side of the ball in particular. I'm guessing after reading your post you would be a big fan of trading down if possible.
 
I'm sorta with you here, I like Hamilton because he has what you cant teach imo...instincts & that usually leads to gamebreaking plays. I just don't know if the texans can afford to go defense. Offensively they need so much help.

I’ve been on the Draft simulator Texian provided and it isn’t to bad.

I’m guessing Watson is going to bring Caserio an extra RD1 pick or two and maybe an additional RD3 pick for 2022.

I’ve been pretty consistent with getting Hamilton at #4 and LB, Devin Lloyd (Utah) pretty much inside the 20th pick in RD1 as well. I’d be adding LG, Zion Johnson (BC) in RD2. With the potential of (3) RD3 picks….Texans could get RB- Hassan Haskins (MI), RB- Zach Charbonnet (UCLA), and C- Nick Ford (Utah).

If the Texans could get the following 6 players thru RD3…..it could be pretty solid.

RD1- SS, Howard
RD1- LB, Lloyd
RD2- LG, Johnson
RD3- RB, Haskins
RD3- RB, Charbonnet
RD3- OC, Ford

I’d like to get CB, Noah Daniels (TCU) in RD4.

Worth mentioning, I could probably get the following two players in RD6:
OG, Cade Mays (TN)
CB/ST, Marcus Jones (UH)
 
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I just don’t care about unwritten draft rules and I dang sure wouldn’t let unwritten rules dictate my approach to the draft.

S, Kyle Hamilton (ND) brings the most bang for the buck at #3, #4, or #5. KH’s versatility, size and speed would serve several needs in the Texans defensive backfield. He would be a huge addition that more than justifies him being drafted anywhere between #2 to #7.
I like Hamilton. If we stay at #2, would you still take him or would you go for a different player?
 
If you dont think Hutchinson is explosive then you should go watch the Ohio St. Game. He's got very powerful hands and a great 1st step. His motor always runs hot. I also love Stingley if he's healthy.

I worry about Neal's foot quickness. You're right though, this is a bad yr to need to pick offensive players and OL in particular. There's alot of good edge players in this group. I just hope Caserio picks the best players at each pick and doesn't focus on either side of the ball in particular. I'm guessing after reading your post you would be a big fan of trading down if possible.

I don’t see the 1st step quickness at all. The jags’ first round pick a few years ago Taven Bryan looked quicker and was a much better prospect than this guy appears to be to me…..& He’s done **** in the NFL.
 
I’ve been on the Draft simulator Texian provided and it isn’t to bad.

I’m guessing Watson is going to bring Caserio an extra RD1 pick or two and maybe an additional RD3 pick for 2022.

I’ve been pretty consistent with getting Hamilton at #4 and LB, Devin Lloyd (Utah) pretty much inside the 20th pick in RD1 as well. I’d be adding LG, Zion Johnson (BC) in RD2. With the potential of (3) RD3 picks….Texans could get RB- Hassan Haskins (MI), RB- Zach Charbonnet (UCLA), and C- Nick Ford (Utah).

If the Texans could get the following 6 players thru RD3…..it could be pretty solid.

RD1- SS, Howard
RD1- LB, Lloyd
RD2- LG, Johnson
RD3- RB, Haskins
RD3- RB, Charbonnet
RD3- OC, Ford

I’d like to get CB, Noah Daniels (TCU) in RD4.

Worth mentioning, I could probably get the following two players in RD6:
OG, Cade Mays (TN)
CB/ST, Marcus Jones (UH)

If they get a mid 1st, and Hamilton was the 1st pick. Then I'm either drafting a guy like Kendrick at say 15-18 and solidifying the secondary or I'm looking to trade down for more picks. There will be alot of talent between 18-32 in this draft that's comparable. Also it's likely you might be able to find a team wanting a QB to trade with.

I think Marcus Jones goes higher than that.

I don’t see the 1st step quickness at all. The jags’ first round pick a few years ago Taven Bryan looked quicker and was a much better prospect than this guy appears to be to me…..& He’s done **** in the NFL.

Bryan played DT and Hutchinson is at end. Hutchinson reminds me of Justin Smith who used to play for the Bengals/49ers.
 
Here we are not even finished with the 2021 season and I've started looking at draft prospects.

Derek Stingley has injury issues and has not played much football over the past two years. He's considered a boom or bust risk. I just don't think the Texans should risk drafting a player with injury issues with their first selection.

Kyle Hamilton has had a knee injury this year causing him to miss multiple games. For the same reason as above, although his history of injury is not as extensive, I'd have to think twice and be certain he's cleared medically. I'd still rather not take him.

If the Texans could pull it off, trading down from #3 to #16 would yield about 1200 pts, maybe a #1 in 2023? Or multiple twos and threes this next draft.

At this #16 selection I'd jump on Kenyon Green. We need new starters at LG, C and RG. Green would be a plug and play starter.

Then, in the 2nd round I'd look at defensive backfield. The draft is deep at S and CB. Depending on what we got for trading down to #16, we might be able to trade back up into the 1st with our #34 selection.

There's a lot of support for drafting an impact edge rusher. I just feel there is a bigger need to shore up our interior offensive line. And A&M has had a lot of success the past three seasons running behind Green.
 
Hutchinson reminds me of Justin Smith who used to play for the Bengals/49ers.
That's a pretty solid comp. I was thinking about former Falcon DE Patrick Kerney. Good length and agility. Can play the run and the pass. Hutchinson doesn't have the ceiling of some of the top DEs in past drafts, but his floor is very high. Plus, he's the kind of guy who is going to continue to work and improve once he gets in the league, because he loves football.
 
I like Hamilton. If we stay at #2, would you still take him or would you go for a different player?

If the Texans wind up at #2…..I could draft Hutchinson or easily trade back in this draft. I think the #2 and #3 picks could actually be the most valuable based on the players available and the teams that would have an interest in moving up to draft a player they covet.
 
If they get a mid 1st, and Hamilton was the 1st pick. Then I'm either drafting a guy like Kendrick at say 15-18 and solidifying the secondary or I'm looking to trade down for more picks. There will be alot of talent between 18-32 in this draft that's comparable. Also it's likely you might be able to find a team wanting a QB to trade with.

I think Marcus Jones goes higher than that.



Bryan played DT and Hutchinson is at end. Hutchinson reminds me of Justin Smith who used to play for the Bengals/49ers.

Which is concerning that that guy played DT and looks quicker than Hutchison…but Hutchison plays all along the line for Michigan….you heard it here 1st. If the Texans take him, he’ll be a bust.
 
Which is concerning that that guy played DT and looks quicker than Hutchison…but Hutchison plays all along the line for Michigan….you heard it here 1st. If the Texans take him, he’ll be a bust.

I don't think he will be a bust.

He's obviously talented and will continue to improve.

Agree to disagree, but I really enjoy the feedback and the draft talk, it's been a long time.

As of right now who would be your pick at #2?
 
I don't think he will be a bust.

He's obviously talented and will continue to improve.

Agree to disagree, but I really enjoy the feedback and the draft talk, it's been a long time.

As of right now who would be your pick at #2?

Told you, the only defensive prospect i like in the top 5 is Hamilton at safety...but i can't see a safety being taken that high...2, I just think they need more help on the offensive side of the ball..The o-line's been bad to average for too long and we need offensive weapons. If they must pick @ #2, I'd be happy with Evan Neal......stick him at the other tackle opposite Tunsil..or trade Tunsil, get some draft capital & stick Neal at LT.... leave Howard at RT. I'd even be okay with a slight trade down and have them take Linderbaum at center. If they don't take 1 of those 2 guys, trade down and either take Hamilton or Garrett Wilson WR, OSU.
 
Told you, the only defensive prospect i like in the top 5 is Hamilton at safety...but i can't see a safety being taken that high...2, I just think they need more help on the offensive side of the ball..The o-line's been bad to average for too long and we need offensive weapons. If they must pick @ #2, I'd be happy with Evan Neal......stick him at the other tackle opposite Tunsil..or trade Tunsil, get some draft capital & stick Neal at LT.... leave Howard at RT. I'd even be okay with a slight trade down and have them take Linderbaum at center. If they don't take 1 of those 2 guys, trade down and either take Hamilton or Garrett Wilson WR, OSU.

If there's a trade down say to the 8-10 range I'm picking Green.

If Caserio stays in the tip 5, I'm picking Stingley.
 
It's early, but what I'm reading today changes my mind about our 2nd round pick.

I'm still trading down and selecting Kenyon Green, who would be plug and play at LG.

But then with #34, rather than defense, I'm liking Kentucky's mammoth talent Darian Kinnard, who projects to RG. And if possible, I'd trade up several spots to take him in the bottom of the 1st round, so to have a 5 yr contract.

The pair of Green and Kinnard would solidify our offensive interior for 5 years, baring injury, and would anchor a power running game as well as providing a wall in the passing game.

The worry of course is that he may be taken higher and not available.
 
It's early, but what I'm reading today changes my mind about our 2nd round pick.

I'm still trading down and selecting Kenyon Green, who would be plug and play at LG.

But then with #34, rather than defense, I'm liking Kentucky's mammoth talent Darian Kinnard, who projects to RG. And if possible, I'd trade up several spots to take him in the bottom of the 1st round, so to have a 5 yr contract.

The pair of Green and Kinnard would solidify our offensive interior for 5 years, baring injury, and would anchor a power running game as well as providing a wall in the passing game.

The worry of course is that he may be taken higher and not available.

I like it, this is called making a commitment in the OL. These guys are 2 studs.
 
Since we're throwing out hypotheticals this is a realistic but highly unlikely scenario of what is possible with a trade down, a trade of Derrick and a trade up.

Trade #1 Trade down from #2 to #10 and pickup # 44.
Trade Derrick for pick 24 and pick 56
Trade pick 68 and 4th rd pick Rams pick say pick 110 for pick 50.

10. OG, Green- Texas A&M
24. CB, Kendrick- Georgia
34. Texans pick OG, Kinnard- Kentucky
44. LB, Muma- Wyoming
50. DE, Hall- Houston
56. S, Brisker- Penis St.
90. Saints pick RB, Charbonnet- UCLA

That's 7 top 100 picks And from the trade down you would have your high pick in the 2023 draft and a 1st from the trade down from #2 to #10. Plus another 1st from the Derrick trade. So you would be set up in the 2023 draft to have 4 of the top 40 picks.

This was an example of what can be done and not the exact players. Some of these players may be gone but there will be comparable talent available at these draft slots.
 
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The Texans are also victims being extreme bad in the wrong years. You really only want the overall number 1 pick when there a clear number 1QB.

For hype certain draftnics are giving Kayvon Thibodeaux, dude only has 6 sacks in 9 games played. Sacks are not the only thing for a Edge like him, but as we saw with clowney a dude going number 1 overall needs to be putting QBs on their backside at an elite rate for it to be worth it.

Traits, traits, traits and how well they translate next level.
 
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