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What is Watson's value in a trade?

All the wide-spread articles and media talking heads have sprouted up solely from a single common source.........McClain. From my sources, as it stands now, a deal is far from being closed. For example, Miami wants contingency protection if Watson doesn't play for a period longer than is acceptable to them or if he is found criminally culpable leading to prison. The Texans are not agreeing with any protection. Miami's potential 1st round gives are not expected to be high. A 3-way trade empirically potentially complicates an already complicated trade.

it would be wildly negligent for any team to trade for him right now and not get those protections - especially given the asking price. Just don’t see how this gets done.

so who is leaking to McClain? The Texans or Watson’s camp trying to force action?
 
it would be wildly negligent for any team to trade for him right now and not get those protections - especially given the asking price. Just don’t see how this gets done.

so who is leaking to McClain? The Texans or Watson’s camp trying to force action?

That’s why I’ve been a proponent of trying to get a couple of players up front versus players and picks up front in a Watson trade. No team will take 100% of the risk. Push the picks back to 2022, 2023 and/or 2024.

My hope, Goodell will get off his arse and make a simple statement that Watson can fully participate until a decision has been rendered.

If the Dolphins are the team of interest…..they’ll get Watson for 2021 and maybe all of 2022 before a court decision has finally been made. If Watson plays the rest of 2021, then the Texans receive a 2022 RD1 pick. If Watson clears the legal hurdles in 2022, then the balance of Texans picks kick in for the 2023 draft. If Watson is jailed for 6-12 months Texans package picks would begin in 2023 or 2024. Anything longer than 24 months both teams walk way with nothing else lost but the player for players traded at the onset of the trade.
 
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so who is leaking to McClain? The Texans or Watson’s camp trying to force action?

There's not much time left on the clock to milk this situation for clicks. That's all that's happening here.
Every talking head and their mother is gonna tweet or write an article about this in the next 10 days. Then once the trade deadline passes and he's still here , those talking heads will say how stupid the Texans are and blame Jack Easterby for a few clicks more.
 
All the wide-spread articles and media talking heads have sprouted up solely from a single common source.........McClain. From my sources, as it stands now, a deal is far from being closed. For example, Miami wants contingency protection if Watson doesn't play for a period longer than is acceptable to them or if he is found criminally culpable leading to prison. The Texans are not agreeing with any protection. Miami's potential 1st round gives are not expected to be high. A 3-way trade empirically potentially complicates an already complicated trade.
Raises the questions, was McClain under a deadline without a story and went to reliable fill in, Watson Trade? Clickbait? Was McLain's online Chron clicks down and he needed to improve his click count?
 
so who is leaking to McClain? The Texans or Watson’s camp trying to force action?

Raises the questions, was McClain under a deadline without a story and went to reliable fill in, Watson Trade? Clickbait? Was McLain's online Chron clicks down and he needed to improve his click count?
Let's be clear, it's not clear that it was McClain who first broke this story.

I was driving and listening to pregame Astros baseball on 610 when they broke in with their Breaking News that Mark Berman had released this story.

When I get home, I find that Berman's twitter's post was at 2:38; and McClain had also posted on twitter at precisely the same time, 2:38.

A bit later, at 2:51, Aaron Wilson posted on twitter that the news was coming from league sources.
 
Raises the questions, was McClain under a deadline without a story and went to reliable fill in, Watson Trade? Clickbait? Was McLain's online Chron clicks down and he needed to improve his click count?

Am I wrong thinking this is out of character for McClain? He's been adamant that nothing was going to happen because of the unknown & now he's all, "It's going to happen this week!!!"
 
Let's be clear, it's not clear that it was McClain who first broke this story.

I was driving and listening to pregame Astros baseball on 610 when they broke in with their Breaking News that Mark Berman had released this story.

When I get home, I find that Berman's twitter's post was at 2:38; and McClain had also posted on twitter at precisely the same time, 2:38.

A bit later, at 2:51, Aaron Wilson posted on twitter that the news was coming from league sources.
The original McClain tweet at 2:38 immediately linked to his article. He must have written the whole article in just a couple of seconds.:mcnugget:
 
Look at the article title: Texans, Dolphins could have Deshaun Watson deal done this week.

I COULD hit the lotto this week. :chef:
The C8 headline in this mornings Chroncle reads, Watson trade to Miami in works. Echoing that it could be this week, the column also says that the hope is to get it done by the trade deadline, which is Nov 2.

It's not new, but the column reports that Miami's coach, Brian Flores, wants Watson.

Not mentioned, but it's been reported in the past, Miami owner Stephen Ross is behind the trade. One hangup is that GM Chris Grier has not supported the trade.

The column does mention that Ross wants assurances from Goodell that he will not suspend or exempt Watson following a trade.
 
The C8 headline in this mornings Chroncle reads, Watson trade to Miami in works. Echoing that it could be this week, the column also says that the hope is to get it done by the trade deadline, which is Nov 2.

It's not new, but the column reports that Miami's coach, Brian Flores, wants Watson.

Not mentioned, but it's been reported in the past, Miami owner Stephen Ross is behind the trade. One hangup is that GM Chris Grier has not supported the trade.

The column does mention that Ross wants assurances from Goodell that he will not suspend or exempt Watson following a trade.

Assurances from Goodell makes or breaks any trade. That’s why I’ve mentioned this in any of my Watson trade post(s).
 
Would it surprise anyone that Goodell and the NFL agree to this? Anyone that doesn't believe the NFL has the fix in strictly to their benefit with so many aspects of the game, was brought up naive.

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Weren't you one of the people saying there is no way Watson would ever play this season because if anyone tried to play him, he'd be immediately suspended or exempted? So, would YOU be surprised if Goodell agreed to those assurances? I'm assuming yes considering your previous stance.
 
Anybody else catch McClain on Rich Eisens show this morning and he again said the deal is gonna happen probably this week.
I like ole John and his back in the days stories of the Oilers and all, but he has little cred with me.
Anyway he went coast to coast,actually internationally this morning with his prediction of the Watson/Miami deal.
In the unlikely event McClain is right, lotta folks in these parts are gonna be very shocked and have some splainin to do.
 
Weren't you one of the people saying there is no way Watson would ever play this season because if anyone tried to play him, he'd be immediately suspended or exempted? So, would YOU be surprised if Goodell agreed to those assurances? I'm assuming yes considering your previous stance.
If Goodell plays it by the book, I still say yes. But the dishonesty and non-transparency and non- accountability of Goodell and the NFL of late puts a question mark to any of their actions anymore.
 
Anybody else catch McClain on Rich Eisens show this morning and he again said the deal is gonna happen probably this week.
I like ole John and his back in the days stories of the Oilers and all, but he has little cred with me.
I know he's been pretty adamant it wasn't going to happen.

He's not the only one reporting it. Some other guy, can't remember his name, but the guys on 610 say that he wouldn't put this out there unless he has multiple sources.

& there's a guy in Miami saying the same thing... so... I don't think McClain is just chasing clicks. Something is happening.
 
Too much chatter for there to be no conversations taking place. Will things get worked out and Watson traded? No idea, but I believe they are actually discussing it with teams.
 
Anybody else catch McClain on Rich Eisens show this morning and he again said the deal is gonna happen probably this week.
I like ole John and his back in the days stories of the Oilers and all, but he has little cred with me.
Anyway he went coast to coast,actually internationally this morning with his prediction of the Watson/Miami deal.
In the unlikely event McClain is right, lotta folks in these parts are gonna be very shocked and have some splainin to do.

What kind of splaining?

I cant splain people who do stupid things. Maybe you can. I guess that's a gift.
 
If Goodell plays it by the book, I still say yes. But the dishonesty and non-transparency and non- accountability of Goodell and the NFL of late puts a question mark to any of their actions anymore.

See his investigation into the WFT and the 650,000 emails as a guide to his incompetence/slimey ways.
 
Too much chatter for there to be no conversations taking place. Will things get worked out and Watson traded? No idea, but I believe they are actually discussing it with teams.
"I believe they are actually discussing it with teams."
Of course, but that's not news because those kinds of discussions have no doubt been going by several NFL organizations for months, and months now, but somebody actually pulling the trigger ? No I'm in that big group that says nothing happens until atleast sometime after
2021.
 
Anybody else catch McClain on Rich Eisens show this morning and he again said the deal is gonna happen probably this week.
I like ole John and his back in the days stories of the Oilers and all, but he has little cred with me.
Anyway he went coast to coast,actually internationally this morning with his prediction of the Watson/Miami deal.
In the unlikely event McClain is right, lotta folks in these parts are gonna be very shocked and have some splainin to do.
This was McClain in January on the same show:

 
So, he doesn’t want to play for the Texans
HC - Black (minority)
GM - white
Owner - white

But is willing to play for Miami….
HC - black (minority)
GM - white
Owner - white

Hmmm ….. this guy has issues. Just trade this turd already.
Does Miami have an Easterby in the front office? On another note. Even though we hear he would not play for the Eagles, I haven't heard anything about him not playing for the Panthers:
HC - White
GM - White
Owner - White
 
There's not much time left on the clock to milk this situation for clicks. That's all that's happening here.
Every talking head and their mother is gonna tweet or write an article about this in the next 10 days. Then once the trade deadline passes and he's still here , those talking heads will say how stupid the Texans are and blame Jack Easterby for a few clicks more.

I'm like you, I'll believe it when it happens.

I think someone in the building is trying to discredit and embarrass McClain. He's been critical of the front office this year, and very critical of one guy in particular. I wonder who it could be that would take the low road to undermine John McClain in this city and nationally? :thinking:
 
Reports surfaced Wednesday that Miami trade talks for Watson were serious. However, multiple sources told The Athletic as of Wednesday evening a deal does not appear to be imminent. Sources with knowledge of the situation indicated it’s common this time of year for teams to drum up interest in a player to increase the trade price.

Sources have also indicated the Texans have not shown interest in acquiring quarterback Tua Tagovailoa from the Dolphins, nor has Tagovailoa’s name come up in trade discussions as of Wednesday evening.
 
I'm like you, I'll believe it when it happens.

I think someone in the building is trying to discredit and embarrass McClain. He's been critical of the front office this year, and very critical of one guy in particular. I wonder who it could be that would take the low road to undermine John McClain in this city and nationally? :thinking:

McClain isn't on the outs with the franchise in any way .... No one is out to get any revenge.

If anything , he was doing them a favor in drawing attention to the situation - Team X is about to pull the trigger , if you want him on your team - you have to up the ante.


You guys really need to stop listening to those clowns on 610 who try to make every single situation about Jack Easterby .... They are so far from the truth its comical.

Easterby isn't the devil those guys make him out to be .... That dude is all but inconsequential.

Two problem individuals - Watson and OB. One is gone , the other may as well be.

The mistake that crippled this franchise was Watson and they did everything humanly possible to resolve that situation .... Problem was Watson did everything he could to screw it up.
 
Easterby isn't the devil those guys make him out to be .... That dude is all but inconsequential
Look, if I'm going to make it through this, I'm going to need you to lay off of stuff like this.

I need a villain. & they're making it too easy when they bring in guys that look like this.

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Look, if I'm going to make it through this, I'm going to need you to lay off of stuff like this.

I need a villain. & they're making it too easy when they bring in guys that look like this.

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From everything I know, Easterby was responsible for some of the worst contract negotiations last year. That in itself could make him a villain, but more correctly incompetent in that position. This year, all my sources tell me that he is little more that a pimple on Cal's butt.

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McClain isn't on the outs with the franchise in any way .... No one is out to get any revenge.

If anything , he was doing them a favor in drawing attention to the situation - Team X is about to pull the trigger , if you want him on your team - you have to up the ante.


You guys really need to stop listening to those clowns on 610 who try to make every single situation about Jack Easterby .... They are so far from the truth its comical.

Easterby isn't the devil those guys make him out to be .... That dude is all but inconsequential.

Two problem individuals - Watson and OB. One is gone , the other may as well be.

The mistake that crippled this franchise was Watson and they did everything humanly possible to resolve that situation .... Problem was Watson did everything he could to screw it up.
Totally agree on 610 I rarely listen to any radio sports any more. Locker needs to go hide in a locker and Lopez can join him. Talking about trolling for listeners. Whine on! I doubt anyone prefers to have Easterby with Texans but out of sight out of mind for me. His actions are history but who wants to remember?

Watson and OBrien did screw it up but if both were still here & active; not sure we would be better than 8-9 if that. Of course have to figure in if all the cuts and trades and signings would have happened as they did if DW not in legal issues and OB still HC and GM. Ugh that causes me cramps just to think it.
 
From everything I know, Easterby was responsible for some of the worst contract negotiations last year. That in itself could make him a villain, but more correctly incompetent in that position. This year, all my sources tell me that he is little more that a pimple on Cal's butt.

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Somewhat similar to what I was told .... the difference being that it was OB who did the contract negotiations but would seek approval from both Cal & Jack.

Bottom line , he likely did have a hand in those bloated contracts.


They really screwed up when they fired the cap guy - I can't recall his name but he did a heck of a job.
 
You guys really need to stop listening to those clowns on 610 who try to make every single situation about Jack Easterby .... They are so far from the truth its comical.

Easterby isn't the devil those guys make him out to be .... That dude is all but inconsequential.

Two problem individuals - Watson and OB. One is gone , the other may as well be.

The mistake that crippled this franchise was Watson and they did everything humanly possible to resolve that situation .... Problem was Watson did everything he could to screw it up.
I couldn’t agree more. Also, I believe that the only reason Sports610 regularly bashes both Easterby, and the organization instead of the perv, is only to not upset a certain group of people. How the hell is it Easterby’s fault that Derapist sexually assaulted all those females? Why don’t they call it for what it is and hold the sexual predator accountable? Or would that be considered “racist?” It really doesn’t surprise me to be quite honest, as criminals are somehow victims/heroes nowadays.
 
& b/c they don’t have a qb even close to being regarded as a franchise guy.
If WFT traded for Tua, they would still not have a qb even close to being regarded as a franchise guy.
Not mentioned, but it's been reported in the past, Miami owner Stephen Ross is behind the trade. One hangup is that GM Chris Grier has not supported the trade.
Chris Grier is already teetering towards the unemployment line for taking Tua over Herbert. If he doesn't go along with his owner on this, Ross will find someone that does.
 
If WFT traded for Tua, they would still not have a qb even close to being regarded as a franchise guy.

Chris Grier is already teetering towards the unemployment line for taking Tua over Herbert. If he doesn't go along with his owner on this, Ross will find someone that does.
Tua tag is Pocket Change cheap for a potential quarterback. That's why I would not be opposed to him if he was lumped in a trade to Texans. Any team is only taking a minor risk. Trading for him At less than a million dollars you can sit him on the bench if he brings a better trade package. Dolphins save cap space trading him. IMO Grier needs DW to save his job and that may not be enough from what I hear from the Miami fans.
 
From everything I know, Easterby was responsible for some of the worst contract negotiations last year. That in itself could make him a villain, but more correctly incompetent in that position.

Somewhat similar to what I was told .... the difference being that it was OB who did the contract negotiations but would seek approval from both Cal & Jack.

Bottom line , he likely did have a hand in those bloated contracts.

They really screwed up when they fired the cap guy - I can't recall his name but he did a heck of a job.
This is nothing new. Easterby was O'Brien's wingman on the worst contract negotiations and the purging of guys like the cap guy. He kept his job while placing all of the blame for the bad personnel moves and contracts on BOB. On the Tunsil and Watson contracts he was right there smiling like a proud parent. Tunsil didn't even have an agent and still got them to over pay. They are the ones who gave Watson that no-trade clause.

The revisionists want to paint him as this white knight who came to the Texans to clean house when the reality of the situation is he and BOB were opportunists who took advantage of the McNairs. Fans get sidetracked by this Watson fiasco. But make no mistake about it. Easterby and BOB were joined at the hip and they along with Watson and Cal are the primary reasons for the mess the Texans are in.

That's the reason some people view him as a villain and why it annoys others that he is still employed by the Texans. It also doesn't help when recently signed players mention his name as being one of the people responsible for signing them.
 
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