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What is Watson's value in a trade?

OptimisticTexan said:
Texans need to suit him up and insert him as the QB1 at some point to make this viable…..right?
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If it were that simple - Yes.

But it isn't - the legal issues complicate matters. Watson is Toxic.


But lets be honest here , does the team really want to void that contract and lose control of him should his legal issues resolve themselves ? What he fetches on a 4 year contract Vs what he fetches on the franchise tender are worlds apart.
 
Corrosion said:
If it were that simple - Yes.

But it isn't - the legal issues complicate matters. Watson is Toxic.


But lets be honest here , does the team really want to void that contract and lose control of him should his legal issues resolve themselves ? What he fetches on a 4 year contract Vs what he fetches on the franchise tender are worlds apart.
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Let’s say his legal situation rolls into 2022 NFL season and suddenly the Texans are facing the fact they’re going to give him 35M guaranteed to sit. Throw in Goodell sitting on his hands and just letting the Texans take a beating. Anyone want to bet that Watson wouldn’t be on time for camp to ensure his new paydays begin on time?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Let’s say his legal situation rolls into 2022 NFL season and suddenly the Texans are facing the fact they’re going to give him 35M guaranteed to sit. Throw in Goodell sitting on his hands and just letting the Texans take a beating. Anyone want to bet that Watson wouldn’t be on time for camp to ensure his new paydays begin on time?
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That’s why I don’t understand why they’re paying him $10M not to play now. If they trade him before next season starts, then it doesn’t matter, of course, but if none of this legal stuff is resolved by then, then what?

On top of all of that, Watson still gets to say where he does or doesn’t go. That’s just insane to me that the Texans are so bent over a barrel on this.
 
Corrosion said:
But lets be honest here , does the team really want to void that contract and lose control of him should his legal issues resolve themselves ? What he fetches on a 4 year contract Vs what he fetches on the franchise tender are worlds apart.
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Should they resolve themselves, of course not, but when will that be?

What does your gut tell you about this "resolution"?

What are the odds you'll be on the hook for $40M for someone that you can't play & can't trade?
 
thunderkyss said:
Should they resolve themselves, of course not, but when will that be?

What does your gut tell you about this "resolution"?

What are the odds you'll be on the hook for $40M for someone that you can't play & can't trade?
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The last sentence is why a trade hasn't been made.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Let’s say his legal situation rolls into 2022 NFL season and suddenly the Texans are facing the fact they’re going to give him 35M guaranteed to sit. Throw in Goodell sitting on his hands and just letting the Texans take a beating. Anyone want to bet that Watson wouldn’t be on time for camp to ensure his new paydays begin on time?
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Isn’t that what’s going on now anyway? The Texans are forced to pay him to sit. Should they force him to play Goodell supposedly will slap the Texans with Watson on the CEL. So, the Texans lose no matter what. Kinda ridiculous that a player has all this power over the franchise.
 
Corrosion said:
If it were that simple - Yes.

But it isn't - the legal issues complicate matters. Watson is Toxic.


But lets be honest here , does the team really want to void that contract and lose control of him should his legal issues resolve themselves ? What he fetches on a 4 year contract Vs what he fetches on the franchise tender are worlds apart.
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I wouldn't void it, just suspend w/o pay.
 
Mangler said:
Isn’t that what’s going on now anyway? The Texans are forced to pay him to sit. Should they force him to play Goodell supposedly will slap the Texans with Watson on the CEL. So, the Texans lose no matter what. Kinda ridiculous that a player has all this power over the franchise.
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Pervert has all of that power.
 
Mangler said:
Isn’t that what’s going on now anyway? The Texans are forced to pay him to sit. Should they force him to play Goodell supposedly will slap the Texans with Watson on the CEL. So, the Texans lose no matter what. Kinda ridiculous that a player has all this power over the franchise.
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I don’t believe this is correct. Unless the McNair’s have pissed off the entire league with their recent conduct (which I don’t believe they have, I believe they are well entrenched in owners’ club).

I believe this is the McNair’s have taken drastic measures to right the ship on the Watson deal, they got rid of Hopkins at huge expense to the franchise, in an attempt to get Watson to straighten out.

Watson has thrown this back in their face, and disrespected them, not least of all when you consider that he signed his huge contract, the richest the Texans have ever written, during this timeline.

I think the McNair’s don’t want him suiting up for them, which is folly.

He should have been told he is QB1 and that he plays if he wants to get paid.

This would have forced him to **** or get off the pot. The Texans couldn’t lose any more face than they have done, and the team couldn’t play any worse than they are doing either. Should have met this head on instead of ***** footing around.

Apparently Watson is still working out in the building. You have a half decent backup QB on the sidelines injured and a rookie with like a dozen career games since high school clearly not yet ready. This is a farce and it isn’t Goodell’s fault.

Should have traded Watson on his 5th year option. They clearly knew his character wasn’t good and it’s obvious with hindsight (and clearly obvious first hand to the organisation) that this was affecting his performances.
 
welsh texan said:
I don’t believe this is correct. Unless the McNair’s have pissed off the entire league with their recent conduct (which I don’t believe they have, I believe they are well entrenched in owners’ club).

I believe this is the McNair’s have taken drastic measures to right the ship on the Watson deal, they got rid of Hopkins at huge expense to the franchise, in an attempt to get Watson to straighten out.

Watson has thrown this back in their face, and disrespected them, not least of all when you consider that he signed his huge contract, the richest the Texans have ever written, during this timeline.

I think the McNair’s don’t want him suiting up for them, which is folly.

He should have been told he is QB1 and that he plays if he wants to get paid.

This would have forced him to **** or get off the pot. The Texans couldn’t lose any more face than they have done, and the team couldn’t play any worse than they are doing either. Should have met this head on instead of ***** footing around.

Apparently Watson is still working out in the building. You have a half decent backup QB on the sidelines injured and a rookie with like a dozen career games since high school clearly not yet ready. This is a farce and it isn’t Goodell’s fault.

Should have traded Watson on his 5th year option. They clearly knew his character wasn’t good and it’s obvious with hindsight (and clearly obvious first hand to the organisation) that this was affecting his performances.
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Yep, the reason the franchise is screwed up is

1. Derrick
2. RS drafted Derrick
3. Cal chose $$$$ instead of trading Derrick before signing him to that big contract.
 
welsh texan said:
I think the McNair’s don’t want him suiting up for them, which is folly.

He should have been told he is QB1 and that he plays if he wants to get paid.

This would have forced him to **** or get off the pot. The Texans couldn’t lose any more face than they have done, and the team couldn’t play any worse than they are doing either. Should have met this head on instead of ***** footing around.

Apparently Watson is still working out in the building. You have a half decent backup QB on the sidelines injured and a rookie with like a dozen career games since high school clearly not yet ready. This is a farce and it isn’t Goodell’s fault.

Should have traded Watson on his 5th year option. They clearly knew his character wasn’t good and it’s obvious with hindsight (and clearly obvious first hand to the organisation) that this was affecting his performances.
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It isn't face...............Watson: "During my first practice, I developed a boo boo in my back.........I can't play now, it's much too painful...........thank you for your concern though, but don't worry; I will still somehow, as difficult as it may be on me, find some way to make it every month to the office to pick up my checks........."
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It isn't face...............Watson: "During my first practice, I developed a boo boo in my back.........I can't play now, it's much too painful...........thank you for your concern though, but don't worry; I will still somehow, as difficult as it may be on me, find some way to make it every month to the office to pick up my checks........."
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If that's the case couldn't they IR him and use the roster spot. Either way he is still getting his money.
 
The inherent problem is that you really don't know the value of MIA's picks until the season is over. And if the NFL lets Watson play in MIA this season, then those draft picks lose value with each win that Watson helps them with. It's like some kind of Chinese mind torture trick.

I figure the Texans ownership is just ready to move on, and I can understand wanting to just get rid of the guy. But I just hope it's a smart deal and not some rush to finalize it without thinking it through.
 
Double Barrel said:
The inherent problem is that you really don't know the value of MIA's picks until the season is over. And if the NFL lets Watson play in MIA this season, then those draft picks lose value with each win that Watson helps them with. It's like some kind of Chinese mind torture trick.
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Miami doesn't own their own 1st in the 2022 draft (Eagles have it). But, they do have the Niners 2022 and 2023 1sts. As well as their own 1st in 2023.
 
Double Barrel said:
The inherent problem is that you really don't know the value of MIA's picks until the season is over. And if the NFL lets Watson play in MIA this season, then those draft picks lose value with each win that Watson helps them with. It's like some kind of Chinese mind torture trick.

I figure the Texans ownership is just ready to move on, and I can understand wanting to just get rid of the guy. But I just hope it's a smart deal and not some rush to finalize it without thinking it through.
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Schrodinger's Draft Pick
 
Nick better not screw this up

unless he knows something i dont no i would have waited to trade him till the season is over
 
Texian said:
Yep! Accounting and economics is above the file clerk's pay grade. The file clerk is illiterate when it comes to accounting, economics and the NFL Trade Value Chart. If you like the Roby trade you will love the Watson trade.
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You against a team that needs all of the draft picks it can get spending 7 mil on a 3rd rd pick. Particularly when as of right now cap space doesn't really matter since no quality FA's will be signing with the Texans anyways.
 
thunderkyss said:
I’m thinking we’ll be paying $30M of his 2022 salary & get a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2023
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I'm pretty sure the Texans will have to eat some of the 2022 salary. Although I dont know what the Dolphins cap situation looks like.
 
steelbtexan said:
You against a team that needs all of the draft picks it can get spending 7 mil on a 3rd rd pick. Particularly when as of right now cap space doesn't really matter since no quality FA's will be signing with the Texans anyways.
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Nope, I'm all in on getting as many draft picks as one can get. I am partial to getting a 2nd rd pick for 2nd rd value though. Lots of picks are great. It's what the file clerk will do with them that scares the hell out of me.
 
All the wide-spread articles and media talking heads have sprouted up solely from a single common source.........McClain. From my sources, as it stands now, a deal is far from being closed. For example, Miami wants contingency protection if Watson doesn't play for a period longer than is acceptable to them or if he is found criminally culpable leading to prison. The Texans are not agreeing with any protection. Miami's potential 1st round gives are not expected to be high. A 3-way trade empirically potentially complicates an already complicated trade.
 
Texian said:
Nope, I'm all in on getting as many draft picks as one can get. I am partial to getting a 2nd rd pick for 2nd rd value though. Lots of picks are great. It's what the file clerk will do with them that scares the hell out of me.
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I wonder if you have a vision for how 2022 could have been a successful year with a shot at a title from where NC started?

Seems to me that a lot of his moves accept that both 21 and 22 are essentially write off years. We hope to find cornerstone talents but there isn’t enough time to build a great roster.

He’s come in saddled with Watson, Johnson, Mercilus, McKinney, Cunningham contracts (I’m sure there are more awful contracts too).

He has little cap space & no high picks, rookie contract talent also not great.

So you have to view this as him spreading the cost over those 2 tank years. It’s hard to face up to as this team is guaranteed to be bad for that amount of time, but you can’t really judge Caserio until year 3 based on how he is going about it, and even then it won’t be complete.

If we get what Doc thinks we are asking for, 3 1st round picks for a player with such low stock would be great from where we are at. Would be one of the biggest trades in NFL history I believe?
 
steelbtexan said:
Until we see how Caserio does in the draft, the juries still out on him.
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I've already seen how the file clerk does in the draft and the trades that he has made. If history repeats itself and the method of operation does not change, then that is exactly what scares the hell of me. No reason not to think that the file clerks performance in RDs 3 thru 7 won't happen in RDs 1 and 2. If it does then maybe you can come to grips and better understand the Nightmare on Kirby.
 
Texian said:
I've already seen how the file clerk does in the draft and the trades that he has made. If history repeats itself and the method of operation does not change, then that is exactly what scares the hell of me. No reason not to think that the file clerks performance in RDs 3 thru 7 won't happen in RDs 1 and 2. If it does then maybe you can come to grips and better understand the Nightmare on Kirby.
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Just far too much drama…..you’re painting an ending to a TV Soap Opera before the ending has even been revealed. Kick back and be patient with the process. Keep a paper lunch bag handy if need be and come to grips with the idea that some methods at attempting to empty a shitehole may be different than your vision. Like I stated before and will again….nothing Caserio has done to date would have a devastating affect this season or between now and 2023. I’ll start the clock when he has finally balanced this organization out. There will absolutely “zero” instant gratification going on around Kirby for for the next couple of seasons b/c no one could simply clean up in 1 season what OB was allowed to duck up over a 6+ year period.
 
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