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Proper Rebuild

76Texan said:
Well, Kyle play video games; I'm not sure what Janice does.
Think Caserio is aligned? :):brando:
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Probably planning her next Gala Charity Ball. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, in fact is noble for someone to use their time and efforts to help others. However when it comes to her football team she is much like her husband, meddling in Texans football affairs often comes with disastrous results.
 
Nothing NC has done to date warrants distrust. Folks getting beside themselves b/c of moves that don't quite line up with exactly how they'd do it are just looking for something to ***** about and/or have a personal agenda b/c their boy ain't got a gig yet.

The job is such that you take calculated risks with every move you undertake whether it be the draft, FA signings, trades and resigning players. Even those regarded as the best the game has had to offer don't come close to batting .500 when all those moves are tabulated in the end...unless you luck out like Jimmy Johnson did in the 90's.
 
leebigeztx said:
I don't trust him because of a couple of choices he made. Esterby still on board and hiring a clueless guy like Culley. You cant sell fans on this roster that is the 2nd in the nfl, you're trying to win but realize players aren't good enough.
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I get all of that. Just saying that I don't think he loses sleep over TexansTalk members trusting him or not. We are not the intended audience.
 
Mr teX said:
Nothing NC has done to date warrants distrust. Folks getting beside themselves b/c of moves that don't quite line up with exactly how they'd do it are just looking for something to ***** about and/or have a personal agenda b/c their boy ain't got a gig yet.

The job is such that you take calculated risks with every move you undertake whether it be the draft, FA signings, trades and resigning players. Even those regarded as the best the game has had to offer don't come close to batting .500 when all those moves are tabulated in the end...unless you luck out like Jimmy Johnson did in the 90's.
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That's because you seem to like some of his moves.
I'm still in the wait and see mode, but the early tallies don't look good on Caserio.
I don't see much of a building block for the future.
Things will become clearer from year to year; the results will show one way or another.
Right now, still being the joke of the league - with all those ridiculous odds - is nothing to write home about.
 
76Texan said:
That's because you seem to like some of his moves.
I'm still in the wait and see mode, but the early tallies don't look good on Caserio.
I don't see much of a building block for the future.
Things will become clearer from year to year; the results will show one way or another.
Right now, still being the joke of the league - with all those ridiculous odds - is nothing to write home about.
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We knew we’d be the joke of the league because of where O’Brien and DaQuit left us.

Winning would have been a surprise and goes contrary to our draft positioning unfortunately.
 
76Texan said:
That's because you seem to like some of his moves.
I'm still in the wait and see mode, but the early tallies don't look good on Caserio.
I don't see much of a building block for the future.
Things will become clearer from year to year; the results will show one way or another.
Right now, still being the joke of the league - with all those ridiculous odds - is nothing to write home about.
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Its not that i particularly like or dislike any move, i just take the macro view & mesh that with expectations and perspectives. I'll use something i know you sort of went in on when it happened as an example. The resigning of David Johnson for 3-4 million vs what most here wanted which was his outright release so as to save 7 million or whatever it was.....that's not a move that's going to doom this franchise for the foreseeable future. Yes, technically, i guess you can claim victory and say his release was the more prudent move, but in the grand scheme of it all, its minutiae....Just like the loss of a 6th or 7th round pick that is gambled away on a trade of a player.

Those type of moves, you don't see from 30,000 ft where i'm sort of assessing things. The big things that are ultimately going to doom this franchise are bad drafts, bad big FA signings and lopsided trades..............& scandal. & at least thus far, none of that has happened on NC's watch.

but like you said, the results will begin to show as his tenure lengthens.
 
Mr teX said:
Its not that i particularly like or dislike any move, i just take the macro view & mesh that with expectations and perspectives. I'll use something i know you sort of went in on when it happened as an example. The resigning of David Johnson for 3-4 million vs what most here wanted which was his outright release so as to save 7 million or whatever it was.....that's not a move that's going to doom this franchise for the foreseeable future. Yes, technically, i guess you can claim victory and say his release was the more prudent move, but in the grand scheme of it all, its minutiae....Just like the loss of a 6th or 7th round pick that is gambled away on a trade of a player.

Those type of moves, you don't see from 30,000 ft where i'm sort of assessing things. The big things that are ultimately going to doom this franchise are bad drafts, bad big FA signings and lopsided trades..............& scandal. & at least thus far, none of that has happened on NC's watch.

but like you said, the results will begin to show as his tenure lengthens.
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My folks taught me that small stuffs add up.
 
beerlover said:
This is what, 4th shot at it now, Cal should have learned something?
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I would love to hear a 3 hour Joe Rogan interview of Cal to see if he's as vacant as I've come to believe. I didn't want to mention a negative in a hypothetical rebuild thread, but yeah, I'm not getting a big picture agenda vibe from our dear bewildered owner.

Mr teX said:
Nothing NC has done to date warrants distrust. Folks getting beside themselves b/c of moves that don't quite line up with exactly how they'd do it are just looking for something to ***** about and/or have a personal agenda b/c their boy ain't got a gig yet.

The job is such that you take calculated risks with every move you undertake whether it be the draft, FA signings, trades and resigning players. Even those regarded as the best the game has had to offer don't come close to batting .500 when all those moves are tabulated in the end...unless you luck out like Jimmy Johnson did in the 90's.
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Fair point, but stay skeptical. This franchise has not really done anything to earn unbridled optimism from fans. Caserio is a step in the right direction, but he hasn't really done anything to earn our trust, as well. I'm not making any judgement calls about Nick at this point, but when he's got a clown to the left and a joker to the right, who is he stuck in the middle with? Who is the clear-headed football analyst mind that Caserio turns to in order to help him with objectivity? I'm not sure that person is in the building right now. Caserio is on an island.
 
Double Barrel said:
I would love to hear a 3 hour Joe Rogan interview of Cal to see if he's as vacant as I've come to believe. I didn't want to mention a negative in a hypothetical rebuild thread, but yeah, I'm not getting a big picture agenda vibe from our dear bewildered owner.

We’re on the same page here

Fair point, but stay skeptical. This franchise has not really done anything to earn unbridled optimism from fans. Caserio is a step in the right direction, but he hasn't really done anything to earn our trust, as well. I'm not making any judgement calls about Nick at this point, but when he's got a clown to the left and a joker to the right, who is he stuck in the middle with? Who is the clear-headed football analyst mind that Caserio turns to in order to help him with objectivity? I'm not sure that person is in the building right now. Caserio is on an island.
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Can’t go on blind love anymore, too damaged and mistrusting of this organizational decision making.
Understand it is what it is but until he’s shown me something special, I’m not buying what he’s selling.
 
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Double Barrel said:
I would love to hear a 3 hour Joe Rogan interview of Cal to see if he's as vacant as I've come to believe. I didn't want to mention a negative in a hypothetical rebuild thread, but yeah, I'm not getting a big picture agenda vibe from our dear bewildered owner.



Fair point, but stay skeptical. This franchise has not really done anything to earn unbridled optimism from fans. Caserio is a step in the right direction, but he hasn't really done anything to earn our trust, as well. I'm not making any judgement calls about Nick at this point, but when he's got a clown to the left and a joker to the right, who is he stuck in the middle with? Who is the clear-headed football analyst mind that Caserio turns to in order to help him with objectivity? I'm not sure that person is in the building right now. Caserio is on an island.
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fair point, but I I’m pretty positive NC has sound football minds around him to help him make decisions. Cal is technically the owner, but I don’t see Cal injecting himself into any day to day decisions. In fact, I believe Cal actually wants to move away from all that period which is why they were adamant about getting Caserio. And until we have evidence that Easterby is playing more of a role in NC’s decisions, there’s no reason to believe that he is. How he got into the decision making role with rosters and players in the 1st place I believe has more to do with BoB getting in over his head than Easterby outright soliciting to be involved on that side…especially with us finding out what we did about BoB here recently.
 
Double Barrel said:
I would love to hear a 3 hour Joe Rogan interview of Cal to see if he's as vacant as I've come to believe. I didn't want to mention a negative in a hypothetical rebuild thread, but yeah, I'm not getting a big picture agenda vibe from our dear bewildered owner.



Fair point, but stay skeptical. This franchise has not really done anything to earn unbridled optimism from fans. Caserio is a step in the right direction, but he hasn't really done anything to earn our trust, as well. I'm not making any judgement calls about Nick at this point, but when he's got a clown to the left and a joker to the right, who is he stuck in the middle with? Who is the clear-headed football analyst mind that Caserio turns to in order to help him with objectivity? I'm not sure that person is in the building right now. Caserio is on an island.
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I'm a skeptic by nature so this is where I am at. But I'm not going to start my assessment of Caserio based on what other people did running this franchise did for the 20 years before him. I'm going to assess him on his own merit while also recognizing the absolute shite storm he walked into. At this point with not even one year under his belt, anyone declaring him a savior or a satan already had their minds made up when he was hired.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think we’d have turned some heads had Tyrod not got hurt so early. We’re on plan B. & it wasn’t a very good plan.
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We hired Caserio to be our chef & asked him to make us a meal. This is what we had in our fridge when he was hired.....

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That chinese food on the 2nd rack = DW4. Looks like it might be ok to salvage and eat. NC attempted to scrape the mold off it to no avail so its useless & needs to be tossed out.

Bacon = Justin Reid. Good by itself but not as a whole meal & would be better with some eggs and toast to go along with it.

Jelly Jars = Tunsil & Howard. both good, but with no PB&J or bread for that matter, what can you really do with it?

Tostitos Salsa = Cooks. Good with Chips for an appetizer....not much else.

Hummis in the back corner = Cunningham. Caserio's friend name BoB really like this stuff alot..so much that he bought a little too much of it and gave NC some of it. Probably will end up getting thrown out tho.

Milk = Mercilus. Caserio just tossed that out this week b/c it had long been spoiled.

The butter, hot sauce & parmesan cheese = Greenard / Blacklock / Omenihu .... can be used to enhance whatever meal NC decides to make but are nothing by themselves.
 
Mr teX said:
We hired Caserio to be our chef & asked him to make us a meal. This is what we had in our fridge when he was hired.....

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That chinese food on the 2nd rack = DW4. Looks like it might be ok to salvage and eat. NC attempted to scrape the mold off it to no avail so its useless & needs to be tossed out.

Bacon = Justin Reid. Good by itself but not as a whole meal & would be better with some eggs and toast to go along with it.

Jelly Jars = Tunsil & Howard. both good, but with no PB&J or bread for that matter, what can you really do with it?

Tostitos Salsa = Cooks. Good with Chips for an appetizer....not much else.

Hummis in the back corner = Cunningham. Caserio's friend name BoB really like this stuff alot..so much that he bought a little too much of it and gave NC some of it. Probably will end up getting thrown out tho.

Milk = Mercilus. Caserio just tossed that out this week b/c it had long been spoiled.

The butter, hot sauce & parmesan cheese = Greenard / Blacklock / Omenihu .... can be used to enhance whatever meal NC decides to make but are nothing by themselves.
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I see you making excuses already. Tell me about hiring Culley and keeping Tim Kelly
 
sandman said:
I get all of that. Just saying that I don't think he loses sleep over TexansTalk members trusting him or not. We are not the intended audience.
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Doesn't have to,but it isn't just me. You see how many empty seats at the home games? I'm not even giving them my Nielson rating. I watch the games on game pass later that evening. I hope they start blacking out games locally so we don't have to watch that garbage. When owners start losing hot dog,beer, and parking sales, that's when they wake up and start doing something . 1st time without sellouts. This Houston, Tx where we get spring like days in November. The losing continues, the apathy sets in, people start having patio parties vs going to nrg. Ask Bud Adams people
 
DBCooper said:
We knew we’d be the joke of the league because of where O’Brien and DaQuit left us.

Winning would have been a surprise and goes contrary to our draft positioning unfortunately.
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I still say it's a bad decision by Caserio to draft a QB with little college experience and make him the back up QB.

That's not doing anybody a favor.
 
leebigeztx said:
Doesn't have to,but it isn't just me. You see how many empty seats at the home games? I'm not even giving them my Nielson rating. I watch the games on game pass later that evening. I hope they start blacking out games locally so we don't have to watch that garbage. When owners start losing hot dog,beer, and parking sales, that's when they wake up and start doing something . 1st time without sellouts. This Houston, Tx where we get spring like days in November. The losing continues, the apathy sets in, people start having patio parties vs going to nrg. Ask Bud Adams people
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Don't disagree with most of what you said. The owner did do something after OB destroyed this franchise though. Not sure how we lay all that at Caserio's feet.
 
leebigeztx said:
I see you making excuses already. Tell me about hiring Culley and keeping Tim Kelly
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Ain't making excuses....it just is what it is. Anyone expecting this dude to come in and in 1 offseason build a contender out of what was left on this roster was delusional.

Culley is a guy who has a certain purpose and was as deserving of a shot at the HC gig as anyone else.

Kelly was obviously held over from the previous staff in the attempt to try to keep DW4 in the fold......it failed, but they didn't lose anything either & its no worse than what GB did to make Rodgers happy (traded back for Cobb). Besides, Kelly can be jettisoned after this year and a new guy can be brought in ...........or Pep can take over next year. So unless you believe that it wasn't worth it to at least attempt to try to do all you could to keep the franchise qb in the fold..........................a guy you already have on the roster & under contract for the next 4 years, then there really was no harm in keeping Kelly around.
 
leebigeztx said:
Doesn't have to,but it isn't just me. You see how many empty seats at the home games? I'm not even giving them my Nielson rating. I watch the games on game pass later that evening. I hope they start blacking out games locally so we don't have to watch that garbage. When owners start losing hot dog,beer, and parking sales, that's when they wake up and start doing something . 1st time without sellouts. This Houston, Tx where we get spring like days in November. The losing continues, the apathy sets in, people start having patio parties vs going to nrg. Ask Bud Adams people
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Lol, you sound like me talking about the Rockets in the Morey era b/c I didn't care for pretty much anything he did in the way of building teams.

None of what you're saying has anything to do with anything. & as @sandman said, something was done. Not sure how any of it is on Caserio. Just b/c he ain't doing what you want him to do & how you want him to do it, don't mean anything.
 
sandman said:
OK, then I misunderstood your previous post about all the things that have been done in recent years as the reason why he doesn't have your trust.
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1st off, he doesn't just based on what he's done so far from the coaching hire and trading picks and cutting those players.
 
76Texan said:
I still say it's a bad decision by Caserio to draft a QB with little college experience and make him the back up QB.

That's not doing anybody a favor.
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It’s making a decision to draft an early entry QB in RD3 of the 2021 NFL Draft knowing that if that same talent forgoes the draft and stays for another season in CFB would be, as many talent evaluators would agree on, a RD1 QB in the 2022 NFL Draft.

It’s damm near impossible for a team to try and hold a RD3 QB on their PS, so the drafting team has to be prepared to carry him on the roster. That’s called taking a low-risk high-reward player as an early entry into the draft.

Of course, I would’ve preferred to see him carry a clipboard for a couple of seasons but you can bet your bottom dollar that Watson’s situation screwed this QB group up since he’s also a non-entity taking a roster spot. Texans are having to carry 4 QB’s on the roster.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
It’s making a decision to draft an early entry into the 2021 NFL Draft in RD3 knowing that if that same talent forgoes the draft and stays another season with CFB is as many talent evaluators would agree on……a RD1 QB in the 2022 NFL Draft. It’s damm near impossible to try and hold a RD3 QB on a teams PS so the drafting team has to be prepared to carry him on the roster. That’s called taking a low-risk high-reward on an early entry into the draft.

Of course, I would’ve preferred to see him carry a clipboard for a couple of seasons but you can bet your bottom dollar that Watson’s situation screwed this QB group up since he’s also a non-entity taking a roster spot. Texans are having to carry 4 QB’s on the roster.
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Fair point.
But the Saints carry Winston, Hill, Book, and Siemian.
 
I’m not quite sure how to do a proper rebuild with the owner we have. He is so inept in pretty much every phase of life, he just hit the dna jackpot.
However, my opinion, would be to hire someone at the top that has experience under someone that runs a team very well (I’m not sure one way or the other on Caserio, I’m not sold but I’ll hold out final judgement). Then I hire an up and coming head coach candidate that mad his bones on the defensive side of the ball. Someone that players listen to when they speak and that command respect (Demeco Ryans, Matt Eberflus, Jerod Mayo). I let him hire his staff and give him 5-6 years to get it done. You have to stay out of the way and let them do what they were hired for. There’s a reason the Steelers have been successful for so long and have only had 3 head coaches in 52 years.
Then I draft the DL and OL out because you’re not going anywhere with a blue chip QB if you don’t have those positions in place anyway.
 
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OB had 22 picks in Rounds 1-3 during his tenure. 9 are still on the team. Only two of those are 1st rounders. Of the 9 there is a solid chance that at least 3-4 are not on the team next year (Watson, Cunningham, Lonnie Johnson and possible Howard). The two best players on the team - Cooks and Tunsil - were added via trades for two 1st rounders and two 2nd rounders, and some consider both as trade bait this year. I don't know you shore up a foundation that doesn't exist.
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And this is the problem. We don't have young talent, we don't have exciting future picks that are not our own, and I believe Tunsil might be our only player, that could get us serious draft capital back in a trade. Not so long ago we were up in a conference championship game. Then it all imploded with some seriously dumb decisions. And to top it all off, Watson happened. One of the highest regarded young players with already a proven track record first demanded a trade, then all the serious allegations came up and Watson stating, that he basically only wants to go to Miami.

So Watson, either our one (with Tunsil maybe two) serious building blocks wants out and may not be able to play in the NFL for the forseeable future - and if he is not our building blocks, we were looking at 3-4 first round picks for him. That is up in the air with the allegations and his wish to only go to the Dolphins. And we might get next to nothing for him.

This is not one of these fun rebuilds where we watch promising guys and get excited for drafts while we slowly build a contender. This is torture...
 
thunderkyss said:
Correction. The Texans have never sniffed a conference championship game unless you count a 24-7 first quarter lead in a divisional playoff game you were out scored 51-7 through the remaining three quarters.
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That’s right…..no city in the NFL knows how to hit the air-brakes on their offense quite like the Oilers and Texans organizations. I just can’t help but wonder if every coach hired is asked during the process; you do know this is a gentleman’s game and slightly pumping the brakes with a big lead is just not tolerated…..we want to know if you possess the ability to get the brake through the floorboard if needed?
 
thunderkyss said:
What were you expecting this season? In what way has the leadership failed?
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Hiring David Culley as placeholder HC. It's indicative of choking down a mulligan for an NFL season or three.

I'm a little surprised that the H-town fanbase has been so calm and passive about just accepting a couple of sucky seasons as just the way it is and not screaming bloody murder about a clearly incompetent owner. But, that's just my perception. I thought we had a much more hardcore football fanbase in this city. People are caring less and less about this franchise, I guess.
 
beerlover said:
Can’t go on blind love anymore, too damaged and mistrusting of this organizational decision making.
Understand it is what it is but until he’s shown me something special, I’m not buying what he’s selling.
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Yep. I agree completely. Trust should be earned, not just granted for existence.

It's funny, I get asked why I'm a fan of this team (since I suppose I don't check off the metrics some folks seem to have). Well, it's certainly not due to the owner and management. Maybe I've got a mental illness. . .seriously. . .I'm a football fan and I just can't force myself to root for another team outside of my home town.

It's like having a child that's a got some kind of lifestyle issues. You still love the kid even though you don't like what they are doing.
 
Double Barrel said:
Hiring David Culley as placeholder HC. It's indicative of choking down a mulligan for an NFL season or three.
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I was feeling a bit vindicated when the Texans came out & whupped the Jags the way they did. & I was on the verge of thinking something special was happening until Taylor got hurt in Cleveland. I don't think Culley is just a placeholder, or that the next few season are going to be mulligans. I bought their rhetoric, that the Texans were going to be competitive. To me, that's 8-8 plus or minus 2..... meaning we could be a 6-10 team or a 10-6 team depending on lucky breaks or what not & factoring in an extra game.

Double Barrel said:
I'm a little surprised that the H-town fanbase has been so calm and passive about just accepting a couple of sucky seasons as just the way it is and not screaming bloody murder about a clearly incompetent owner. But, that's just my perception. I thought we had a much more hardcore football fanbase in this city. People are caring less and less about this franchise, I guess.
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You're starting from the belief that the Texans are not trying to win, that Culley isn't anything but a place holder. I think this team could very well be 4-2 had Tyrod not got hurt. But he did & we don't have Case Keenum to fall back on. I don't agree with a lot of things they've been doing, but I do believe they put a best foot forward. Things just didn't work out.
 
Double Barrel said:
Yep. I agree completely. Trust should be earned, not just granted for existence.

It's funny, I get asked why I'm a fan of this team (since I suppose I don't check off the metrics some folks seem to have). Well, it's certainly not due to the owner and management. Maybe I've got a mental illness. . .seriously. . .I'm a football fan and I just can't force myself to root for another team outside of my home town.

It's like having a child that's a got some kind of lifestyle issues. You still love the kid even though you don't like what they are doing.
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The way I look at it, even if my nephew was born with some serious birth defect, I'm going to love that kid with everything that I've got.

In this case, my nephew's father plays video games all day & go to charity events in the afternoon.
 
Double Barrel said:
Hiring David Culley as placeholder HC. It's indicative of choking down a mulligan for an NFL season or three.

I'm a little surprised that the H-town fanbase has been so calm and passive about just accepting a couple of sucky seasons as just the way it is and not screaming bloody murder about a clearly incompetent owner. But, that's just my perception. I thought we had a much more hardcore football fanbase in this city. People are caring less and less about this franchise, I guess.
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If someone like me who has been a part of the community and around the team for the better part of two decades is to the point of .... who cares , what does that say about the average fan ?
You look at the stadium and its empty .... people are communicating their displeasure not spending their $$$ on the product.
With revenue sharing that might not affect the McNair's bottom line very much but the optics are bad & there is a league wide effect on the bottom line , however small.
 
Double Barrel said:
Yep. I agree completely. Trust should be earned, not just granted for existence.

It's funny, I get asked why I'm a fan of this team (since I suppose I don't check off the metrics some folks seem to have). Well, it's certainly not due to the owner and management. Maybe I've got a mental illness. . .seriously. . .I'm a football fan and I just can't force myself to root for another team outside of my home town.

It's like having a child that's a got some kind of lifestyle issues. You still love the kid even though you don't like what they are doing.
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We are much alike. I’m a reborn Charger fan from the 70’s who became a fan of team because of hometown Eugene and University of Oregon, starting with Dan Fouts. Now Justin Herbert. But still love Texans and mostly fans of Texans, all my players are gone.

Learning so much from watching another franchise build and how they do it. One thing is common, ownership gets sucked up into believing in their hires until too late or just ride the wave like Kraft. GM’s/Coaches are human. They make mistakes all the time, the ones who figure it out and rectify those mistakes survive others do not.
 
Double Barrel said:
Hiring David Culley as placeholder HC. It's indicative of choking down a mulligan for an NFL season or three.

I'm a little surprised that the H-town fanbase has been so calm and passive about just accepting a couple of sucky seasons as just the way it is and not screaming bloody murder about a clearly incompetent owner. But, that's just my perception. I thought we had a much more hardcore football fanbase in this city. People are caring less and less about this franchise, I guess.
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What actions come from screaming bloody murder about an incompetent owner, other than a sore throat?
 
Corrosion said:
If someone like me who has been a part of the community and around the team for the better part of two decades is to the point of .... who cares , what does that say about the average fan ?
You look at the stadium and its empty .... people are communicating their displeasure not spending their $$$ on the product.
With revenue sharing that might not affect the McNair's bottom line very much but the optics are bad & there is a league wide effect on the bottom line , however small.
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Yep. By any metric, I've been a hardcore fan. Owned season tickets for a decade, have worn a Texans hard hat/custom jersey to every home game I've been to (well over 100+), have dedicated time and effort to a Texans-dedicated forum since 2004. . .none of this makes me special or a better fan than anyone else, but clearly I've cared about this franchise and want it to be something more than a dumpster fire.

But I'm close to pure apathy and just walking away. And there isn't much left in keeping this forum around (as we know). The Texans fanbase is evaporating before our eyes. They have not done anything to endear themselves to Houston other than existing, and when the owners start acting smug and arrogant, I figure it's just a matter of time before they become the H-town version of the NOLA Aint's.

sandman said:
What actions come from screaming bloody murder about an incompetent owner, other than a sore throat?
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I don't know. Just show some passion I suppose. It could instigate selling the team. This city ran one crappy owner out of town already. There's no reason it can't happen again.

Or at least some soul-searching by the owner, who by all accounts appears to be a RL Tommy Boy and is just happy cashing revenue-sharing checks from NFL New York.

Just my opions, but I'm not alone. There are lots of Texans fans that have just given up at this point. I'm not there yet, but life is too short to waste any of it on an entertainment product that is no longer entertaining.
 
Double Barrel said:
I don't know. Just show some passion I suppose. It could instigate selling the team. This city ran one crappy owner out of town already. There's no reason it can't happen again.

Or at least some soul-searching by the owner, who by all accounts appears to be a RL Tommy Boy and is just happy cashing revenue-sharing checks from NFL New York.

Just my opions, but I'm not alone. There are lots of Texans fans that have just given up at this point. I'm not there yet, but life is too short to waste any of it on an entertainment product that is no longer entertaining.
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The average Houston sports fan has always been a frontrunner and bandwagoner. They will come flooding back when/if Caserio rights this sinking ship.
 
sandman said:
The average Houston sports fan has always been a frontrunner and bandwagoner. They will come flooding back when/if Caserio rights this sinking ship.
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I don't necessarily disagree, but this is the same fanbase that sold out Reliant/NRG stadium for two solid decades, even during two 2-14 seasons and three builds/rebuilds.

This same fanbase has made Houston Texans, Inc. one of the more valuable franchises in pro sports. So it ain't all bad.

And while I agree the base would come back if they start winning, I have to be honest, I could see a Detroit Lions-type future for this franchise for the next decade+ due to misguided and incompetent ownership.

I will still be here - see the above mentioned mental illness - but we are clearly seeing a fundamental shift in Houston. It's starting to morph into more of a baseball town than football, which is not a bad thing of course, especially when you've got a well run team like the Astros that has an owner that understands how to build a business. And there's the rub: seeing two franchises going in different directions and lot of that is directly correlated to ownership.
 
I don’t have any problem with this rebuild. Losses don’t even bother me. This team looked well coached and energized with TT at the helm. Kelly was showing promise. Then the wheels came off. It’s hard to get any continuity on offense with 60% of your starting OL injured, especially at both tackle positions and at center. So much for line communication trying to protect a very inexperienced rookie QB With a limited game plan. I like Lovie as DC. He’s just missing some guns like the O is. I expected this much needed house cleaning. For me this year is about finding and developing our 1&2 year players to build around when there is something we can do about it in the draft. I do like it that we are developing player profiles for each position on this team to guide our future drafts along with stating an offensive and defensive philosophy we can build into. Never had any concept of anything like this the past few years. Ive got patience and am enjoying watching some of our young players develop in this hard crucible of a schedule we were given. Anyone expecting more this year had unreal expectations but it is safe to say the first two and a half games showed me what this coaching staff is aiming at.
 
Double Barrel said:
And while I agree the base would come back if they start winning, I have to be honest, I could see a Detroit Lions-type future for this franchise for the next decade+ due to misguided and incompetent ownership.
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I think most organization go through long periods of "misguided & incompetence" & while we don't like to brag about division titles, the Texans have had a run better than many franchises over the last decade. There are ups & downs. Always will be. Hopefully this down period won't be as bad as the last one & the next up period will be better than any we've ever seen in Houston.
 
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